Healers

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

You're playing the wrong game. The first technique in every healer's list is an offensive spell. The objective of combat is to eliminate the enemy. Healing is secondary because damage is designed with that aspect in mind, and so it always comes out balanced around healer's power.

Healer's Job in FFXIV:

1) Assist in Eliminating the enemy.
2) Keep people alive by whatever means you have, so that they can eliminate the enemy.

To just heal is to ignore one half of your job, and it prolongs elimination of the enemy, requiring more healing to happen and also causing the group to come closer to defeat by the enemy.

You do both in this game because it is designed for you to be able to do both. In solo play you must do both. Do both.

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not to put too fine a point on it, you are a bit of a dull knife.

OF COURSE a healers first spell is offensive. its an mmo, are healers expected to heal mobs to death? no, the expectation is leveling. so naturally, the very first thing you learn is that. the only way anything else would be feasible is to have groups starting at level 1.

as for half my job doing whatever I can to keep people off the floor and eliminating the enemy. well, since combat healers, meaning those that dps over any kind of healing, often let people lay on the floor while they get their deeps in, wouldnt you have to say THEY arent doing half their job? or in your opinion, they are fine because they are "eliminating the enemy"? if you healer is too busy dpsing to toss you a rez, is that okay because unlike you they are dpsing and not laying around collecting floor dust?

its a balance, not one or the other. dps when you can, heal the rest. dps only crowd is promoting an agenda where poor healers kill groups

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1:) in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2:) even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3:) I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4:) your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5:) why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

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Translation Healbot to English:

There's an accepted ideology in this game that "healers need to contribute to the team" and it's causing a lot of problems when I'm allergic to making any effort.

1. In any 8 player group there's one healer doing dps and keeping the group alive and one Medica II spammer. This demoralizes said healer who by comparison is exposed to be doing next to nothing.
2. People on the forums don't agree with me, therefore they must all be wrong.
3. I want to twiddle my thumbs and watch Netflix while pressing Medica II every 60 sec or so.
4. Your parses will mean nothing when I've let the group die and forced you to GCD heal and hardcast Raise because I go headless chicken whenever actual damage happens.
5. Why even bother playing this second-class-citizen thankless role when 90% of you would have more fun as a Red Mage?

Stop doing your job and quit the role please so I can continue wasting everyone's time. And when you rez, take the blame because they instantly cancelled transcendence by attacking.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Translation Healbot to English:

There's an accepted ideology in this game that "healers need to contribute to the team" and it's causing a lot of problems when I'm allergic to making any effort.

1. In any 8 player group there's one healer doing dps and keeping the group alive and one Medica II spammer. This demoralizes said healer who by comparison is exposed to be doing next to nothing.
2. People on the forums don't agree with me, therefore they must all be wrong.
3. I want to twiddle my thumbs and watch Netflix while pressing Medica II every 60 sec or so.
4. Your parses will mean nothing when I've let the group die and forced you to GCD heal and hardcast Raise because I go headless chicken whenever actual damage happens.
5. Why even bother playing this second-class-citizen thankless role when 90% of you would have more fun as a Red Mage?

Stop doing your job and quit the role please so I can continue wasting everyone's time. And when you rez, take the blame because they instantly cancelled transcendence by attacking.

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Shun Goku Satsu.

I'm confused - I think people are thinking the OP is a healer // from what I'm reading, they are a dps who is tired of getting healers who only dps and let dps players or tanks die? So they want healers to actually heal instead of worrying about dps so much it seems.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

And when you rez, heal the person.

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As long as they can remain calm for at least 1 GCD, but it feels virtually impossible sometimes when a large majority of players decide that it's the perfect time to give a live performance of the 'moonlight sonata 3rd movement' on their keyboards as they are being raised, thus they end up dropping back on the floor instantaneously.

Pardon me but where the hell are you people constantly finding healers that ONLY dps? Like seriously, where?

My priority as a healer is to keep the group alive, Of course I DPS when I can even if it's just applying the DOT. Like @Kes13a said healing is a balance, heal when you need to and dps when you need to.

Every healer has their threshold for when they start healing, I've some healers let the tank get really low before healing and I've seen healers heal when the tank gets down to 80% I personally start healing when the tank is around 40-60%.

Though I will admit there are times when I just stop doing anything because I'm processing everything and need to re-focus.

While there are a small number of healers out there who seem to queue as that role for the short wait time and proceed to prioritize dps and letting people die, the expectation of healers dpsing when no healing is needed has nothing to do with it.

I've played many MMOs in my days and I couldn't name one where healers aren't expected to dps whenever possible. When everyone's health is full, or close enough, what else are you supposed to do? Stand there idling and wait for the next big raid-wide damage? Or use those damage dealing buttons that are an integral part of your toolkit? FFXIV makes it even easier to weave in dps with its predictible damage patterns.

If you're looking to idle while everyone else works overtime, stick to trusts, the NPCs won't mind one bit. Otherwise, while healing takes precedence if you're sporting the green icon, DPS is everyone's responsibility. Just stay busy throughout the fight, it's really all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre

I'm confused - I think people are thinking the OP is a healer // from what I'm reading, they are a dps who is tired of getting healers who only dps and let dps players or tanks die? So they want healers to actually heal instead of worrying about dps so much it seems.

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This person has posted a lot of healer topics before. I don’t know if they are a healer main that wants to only heal, a tank main, a DPS main, or just one of the many trolls who plague the OF these days. It’s increasingly difficult to tell anymore, and “main class” beneath one’s avatar isn’t a decent reflection of what a person primarily plays. But this isn’t their first rodeo when it comes to “controversial” healer topics.

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Originally Posted by MirielleLavandre

I'm confused - I think people are thinking the OP is a healer // from what I'm reading, they are a dps who is tired of getting healers who only dps and let dps players or tanks die? So they want healers to actually heal instead of worrying about dps so much it seems.

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These people are so militant when it comes to dps as healers in this game. They dont understand that the hyperbole and toxic behavior they spout has led to this influx of new healers, who do nothing but dps+oGCD heal at all costs. That they will let people they could easily save die. Because that was how they were told to play and be a "good" healer.

They arent teaching people that group context matters for healing. That healing and dps performance is directly tied to group performance. A great group will only take the theoretical minimum amount of damage a fight can offer, allowing everything to be covered by oGCD healing so your free to dps. While a bad group will hit the theoretical maximum amount of damage and require far more GCD healing and have far less dps uptime. And that they need to adjust to cover for a group.

It’s super easy to both heal and DPS. And the focus heal when things get intense.

There is a certain set of people that keep telling their “friend that doesn’t like games” to play healer because “you can mostly afk” which hasn’t been true in ANY MMO since WoW’s BC era around 2007.

Since that time every MMO has made healers often the most active role with spot tactical thinking required to quickly pick what to do when either in reaction to or anticipation of fight events.

But… we still get players that want to Netflix and cast a HoT every few minutes… You get them in lots of MMOs.

Somehow some people haven’t read their patch notes since 2007 - years before this MMO even launched…

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

its a balance, not one or the other. dps when you can, heal the rest. dps only crowd is promoting an agenda where poor healers kill groups

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In all the healer discussions I’ve been a part of on these forums, I can say I have never seen anyone advocate for “DPS only and ignore the party” when it comes to being a healer and dealing damage. The bolded part is an irrelevant argument because it isn’t even one made here. It’s condemned even by those advocating for healers to deal damage.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

It’s super easy to both heal and DPS. And the focus heal when things get intense.

There is a certain set of people that keep telling their “friend that doesn’t like games” to play healer because “you can mostly afk” which hasn’t been true in ANY MMO since WoW’s BC era around 2007.

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Can’t edit when using the mobile version of the forum so… part 2:

I was a WoW healer in 2007 so that note above itself is actually in jest. It was insanely active… but my co healer back then was often AFK. Even the little AFK marker on her toon in mid raid boss pull in Karazhan. And usually she’d DC halfway through.
But we had to bring her because our maintank was her husband… and he insisted she got all the healer loot so it just got even more intense as over time I was solo healing that 10-man on harder and harder fight while still in my questing gear…

But that’s where I learned how to heal… even if she hadn’t been afk though it was still intense back then.

That noted not long after that is when MMO healers got asked to DPS as well as heal, class depending. Over the years since every healer in every MMO has DPS as part of its role now

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I can say I have never seen anyone advocate for “DPS only and ignore the party” when it comes to being a healer and dealing damage.

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Likewise. I’ve never seen that view put forward anywhere. Even in MMOs where there is a healer that heals by DPSing like mistweaver Monk and Disc Priest of WoW - nobody ever says only DPS.

I think that’s a troll strawman in thsi thread only…

As a healer, I do miss the targeting system in EQ2. The ability to dos through a player or heal through a mob made healing a ton easier.

For those that don't understand:

If you were targeting a mob, dps spells would hit the mob but healing or beneficial spells would land on the mobs target.

Targeting a player was the opposite and dps would hit there target and healing the targeted player.

This was actually nice for everyone, as the entire raid had a main tank and a main assist. All DPS targets the main assist and attacks through them (without changing targets). Healers targeted MT and only switched targets when necessary.

It made raids much, much smoother. Especially with 72 man (or more) raids without voice chat.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1:) in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2:) even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3:) I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4:) your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5:) why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

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Funny enough I've played with you before and you couldn't even do your own job properly. This whole thread is nonsense.

I WHM main and I get annoyed when the other WHM / Healer doesn't DPS/heal like I do. I don't expect them to be as good as me or come close but if they want to heal, they need to DPS as well and they need to HEAL. 8 out of 10 healers I come across don't do both, usually I carry the whole team. I don't want to be DPS while healing everyone on my own. Please learn your role. I don't care if you feel stressed, everyone feels stressed when you don't learn your role before joining a party. This is why there are private dungeons for you to practice first and do practice with your FC some trials.

As a healer you need to:
- Learn to Shield
- Learn to Heal
- Learn to pull people when they really need rescued
- Learn to keep your MP up / manage MP
- Learn to keep regen and other things up on tanks
- Learn to DPS
- Whenever the button (action) CD is over you must press something. Don't just stand there
- Learn to adapt with the tank, other healer and the DPS
- Don't try to out-heal the other healer, adapt to how often the other healer heals so nothing goes to waste
- Always keep your dots up
- Being able to know where you need to move while keeping an eye on all the health / mp bars is also important
- Other things I probably forgot to mention

You don't have to master everything before joining a group but you need a pretty good foundation no matter what class you're playing before joining a group. That's why the first dungeon requires you to be of a certain level, because you have practice with the few skills you know. But don't expect to unlock sage and join a raid. That's stupid. Don't do that. Learn how to play sage first so you're comfortable enough to play with others. You can ask others to teach you how to be better. There are training dummies, training grounds, TRUST, and grand company dungeons. You can practice solo or with a friend/friends in trials, there's PotD, HoH, and Eureka etc... There are so many ways you can practice before jumping in a big group where people rely on you being good at least a few things.

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(continued, character limit lol)

A healer MUST DPS AND HEAL at all times. Getting used to this will get you used to Extreme/Savage/Ultimate trials. Everyone has their role to play and the harder the content, the more versatile you must be with your role. It's also best if you practice each class such as Tank, Healer, DPS (Melee/range) to better understand on how to adapt to them.

IS being a healer stressful? Yes. It can be. The whole team has eyes on you and if you make a single mistake they take notice, but if the DPS makes a mistake, no one notices except the healer and that one DPS. It's not without its stress but that doesn't mean it isn't fun. Stress is fun. I think a lot of the young generation is afraid of responsibility and stress so being hand held is what they expect. No, sorry that's not how this works. You're responsible for the lives of your party, and if your party wipes, there's a good chance it's because of you. A bad tank will wipe the party and DPS that don't learn can wipe as well but there are more bad healers than bad tanks from experience.

Being a healer that heals, shields and DPS is fun. I love that part of the game. If they ever took it out I would probably stop playing because I can't find excitement like being a "healer". If all you want to do is heal, that's fine. Just don't expect to clear anything difficult. The DPS checks are real.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem. I'm sitting here in an 8 player with 1 tank down and half the dps down and I got a glare spammer and 1 person desperately trying to salvage the group. Explain to me how that is useful to anyone? I quit in shb because of this. Healers in 14 want to do anything but their job and it's gotten worse in ew with increased damage to players. So as a dps I want a full self sustain kit and tanka should have the same. Wanna broil all day? I want self heals all day.

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This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1:) in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2:) even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3:) I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4:) your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5:) why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

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As a Healer/Tank main please get out of the role pool, you're making the rest of us look bad by not playing your job correctly. Healers DO need to DPS, any extra % of damage can mean the difference between winning or wiping. Don't want all responsibilities of playing the Role don't play the role in queues.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

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Healers contribute roughly 60% of the highest ranked DPS. That is hardly a small amount. In fact, back in Shadowbringers, it was statistically impossible to clear E8S and E12S without significant healer DPS for the first several weeks. Even E11S wouldn't be doable week 1.

Simply put, healers focus so much on DPS nowadays because there's literally nothing else for them to focus on. Outgoing damage is far too low, rendering a good portion of their kits as overkill. Healer mains have been asking for more damage or buffs/debuff management and have been told "no" due to it making things too difficult for casual players. Therefore, all they have is an incredibly dull DPS "rotation". Blame the dev team for this mindset not the players adapting to it.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Pardon me but where the hell are you people constantly finding healers that ONLY dps? Like seriously, where?

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From the haystack where they keep all the strawmen.

Is this bait or?

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem.

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I just don't see that. I see very few healers that only do one thing.

I do see a lot of healers who will let us wipe rather than use LB3, and I see healers that seem to never use their rez unless it's a hard cast.

But I see very few that only DPS or only heal.

Also worth noting that a lot of healers feel the need to heal stuff RIGHT NOW OMG GOTTA GET FULL HP EVERYONE IS DYING. They never give the cohealer time to leverage their hots, wait for a skill to come off CD, etc. etc.. Generally what happens is if a panicky "heal now" healer shows up, the co-healer might just let them solo heal everything since the panic healer is constantly overwriting their stuff or topping people up before their stuff comes off cd. I've honestly seen that scenario more often than the healer that doesn't heal (which I've only had one of so far this expansion). But I'm sure that if you're the panic healer in this scenario, you'll feel very lonely and your experience will pretty much be that of the OP

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1:) in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2:) even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3:) I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4:) your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5:) why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

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Then remove the healer jobs and add some NPC that can only cast ;

1) AOE heal
2) Single heal
3) Mana regen.

The NPC could be added as a 9th player.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

This here is why I retired as a healer because while I can do both, I don't want to be associated with the kind of healers that are springing up now. I see them gamble with peoples live and yes the glare spam gets really annoying and I'm starting to feel that those are just DPS mains or former DPS mains who got tired of long dps queues but don't really care about the responsibility of healing, just the damage. I generally clash with healers when it comes to the topic of healing. I'm sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers but I must be honest, the damage dealt by healers ain't anything to write home about. Yay you(not you as in you) out damaged the group, I'm not impressed. It just means everyone else did worse than your innate horrible damage.

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Gambling with people's lives is literally part of the fun. It becomes a game of how low can I keep them without them dying and still dps? You learn that ok, no unavoidable damage is coming for a while so they don't need topped up, they can wait till my ogcd comes back off cd. If they mess up a mechanic and die that's on them, even then if I see the f up about to happen and KNOW they will die I will heal them to prevent the death as that is a loss of rdps for the party. The only hp that matters is the last one, knowing when we can ignore and keep spamming that dps is some of the little fun we healers have left.
Idc how my healer dmg matches up vs the other jobs, I care how I rate vs others in the same job that are also min maxing! As well as my past self ofc, always want to improve.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Also worth noting that a lot of healers feel the need to heal stuff RIGHT NOW OMG GOTTA GET FULL HP EVERYONE IS DYING. They never give the cohealer time to leverage their hots, wait for a skill to come off CD, etc. etc.. Generally what happens is if a panicky "heal now" healer shows up, the co-healer might just let them solo heal everything since the panic healer is constantly overwriting their stuff or topping people up before their stuff comes off cd. I've honestly seen that scenario more often than the healer that doesn't heal (which I've only had one of so far this expansion). But I'm sure that if you're the panic healer in this scenario, you'll feel very lonely and your experience will pretty much be that of the OP

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That's so true too. Especially as some of the shields like Sage's euk prog are 230% of the amount healed. If there is nothing to heal because of a panicky healer, then there is no real mitagation a SGE can apply when it's going to be needed.

50% is nice and comfortable for most people's HP as long as they avoid the bad stuff on the ground. 20% is about my minimum, 100% HP is less great.

The funny thing is that if they made healers have to heal more 90% of the playerbase couldn't do it.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1:) in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2:) even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3:) I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4:) your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5:) why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I just don't see that. I see very few healers that only do one thing.

I do see a lot of healers who will let us wipe rather than use LB3, and I see healers that seem to never use their rez unless it's a hard cast.

But I see very few that only DPS or only heal.

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I admit I did this twice. Once because I forgot to add LB in my hotbar after resetting the UI before you could save it. And the second time was when I completely forgot after a hiatus that you had to be within range. I raised exactly 0 people that time. That was the most embarrassing moment for me. lool I do often see a sage do nothing but send an attack once every few minutes during MSQ roul. Some people want to watch the world burn.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Pardon me but where the hell are you people constantly finding healers that ONLY dps? Like seriously, where?

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I find them almost every time I'm playing a class other than a healer. Kind of a magnet for that crap.

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

I find them almost every time I'm playing a class other than a healer. Kind of a magnet for that crap.

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Sounds like a personal problem buddy.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Theres an accepted ideology in this game of "healers need to dps" and its causing and has caused a lot of problems. 1:) in any 8 player group you also have one healer and one dps spammer. This demoralizes said healer and they quit the role.
2:) even the notion of healers doing their job will get you reported or banned from the forums. Def 2021.
3:) I want to refuse my role as a dps and want party heals and self heals to make up for healer dps.
4:) your parses mean nothing when the group is dead.
5:) why even bother when 90% of you would be more useful as red Mage?
Stops wasting everyone's time and do your job or quit the role please. And when you rez, heal the person.

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I love dealing damage as a healer! I wish we had more damage skills.

I am the healer that only dps in the alliance raids, fear my ignoring of what is happening around me!

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Healers contribute roughly 60% of the highest ranked DPS. That is hardly a small amount. In fact, back in Shadowbringers, it was statistically impossible to clear E8S and E12S without significant healer DPS for the first several weeks. Even E11S wouldn't be doable week 1.

Simply put, healers focus so much on DPS nowadays because there's literally nothing else for them to focus on. Outgoing damage is far too low, rendering a good portion of their kits as overkill. Healer mains have been asking for more damage or buffs/debuff management and have been told "no" due to it making things too difficult for casual players. Therefore, all they have is an incredibly dull DPS "rotation". Blame the dev team for this mindset not the players adapting to it.

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This.

Joking aside - and forgetting the basic troll post - when will we be taken seriously?

I'm bored. I love the healer principle in FFXIV. The mapping, the "you have to plan ahead and know the strategy" part.
But overall, and despite my little experience on this game (came when Shb was out), 60% of the time I spam a key. Two when I have to refresh my dot. Even sage, which is a dps based job according to the description given, has only one main button for dps.

Give us more mechanics to deal with. Please. Most people will always choose dps anyway.

So found this in another thread, I tend to do dps just because I hate have nothing to do but healing is my job not dps.


Today, Mr. Happy posted a video in which he describes a interview he did with Yoshi P during the reveal that occurred last month.

At the beginning of the video about the question in reference to his first question about his received answers, he stated that these answers were paraphrased and to not quote them but during 4:42 of the video seen here: https://youtu.be/5la_nyC5BO0?t=282
Mr. Happy states what Yoshi P wanted to make a clear point "I really want you to emphasize this to your viewers" then Yoshi P goes on to say "I firmly believe that it should not be mandatory(Healers DPSing) and we do not have the expectation for them to dps!"

Now, even if that was a paraphrase(which to anyone who views the video that it isn't) Yoshi P made it clear that if a person plays a healer....the game has been designed it for Healer DPS to be a OPTIONAL CHOICE! Not a required one.

Now we all know that you may vote kick players from content they qued for based on your view of "different playstyles" But let this be clear.....you are kicking these players not because of them not performing their roles correctly by not DPSing....but because you decided to dictate how you feel others should play!

I'll heal if there's *literally* nothing else to do, and if I have time for it, but I can say that I'm certainly not going to make it a priority to dps as much as heal. How much time I spend doing either depends on my group, and their performance, and the moment I know that I won't need that exact moment to throw a heal to save another player, I'll dedicate to damage.

The problem with this attitude is that players expect the healers to do decent dps even if the group itself is struggling, which makes very little if any sense. if people in the party are taking damage, even if that damage is avoidable, the healer is going to have to commit their cds to keeping them alive over getting dps in, and that's just how the cookie crumbles.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Tha vast majority do not do "both" and its become a glaringly serious problem. I'm sitting here in an 8 player with 1 tank down and half the dps down and I got a glare spammer and 1 person desperately trying to salvage the group. Explain to me how that is useful to anyone? I quit in shb because of this. Healers in 14 want to do anything but their job and it's gotten worse in ew with increased damage to players. So as a dps I want a full self sustain kit and tanka should have the same. Wanna broil all day? I want self heals all day.

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Your "self-sustain kit" is called "Second Wind" & "Bloodbath" rarely anyone uses them in fights.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Pardon me but where the hell are you people constantly finding healers that ONLY dps? Like seriously, where?

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I can guess there are a couple of things happening to these people, as a healer main from HW-ShB I can attest to a few scenarios where it appears the healer is not healing.

1. If things die, there's no damage. I don't have to do more than a few oGCDs and 1-2 hard casted aoe heals through most content (especially something like a dungeon or Alliance Raid). These don't have cast bars or big animations and can be read as the healer not doing any healing, especially if you wove them into a glare/malefic/broil.

2. Vuln. Snacks. Sometimes no amount of healing is going to save you. So I won't even bother topping you off if you're looking 4 down the barrel and a raidwide is popping up.

3. You just ate two massive AoEs. I will swiftcast you, but since there wasn't a raid wide coming, I assumed you'd dodge after being smacked the first time. Generally as Sch, my fairy takes care of these people. I won't heal anyone above 50% unless I know big unavoidables are inc. Also, Bloodbath and Secondwind and other self heals exist. Use them. I assume you at least have them on your bars.

All these things can give the impression that I am not healing. These are some very common situations, and DPS should learn that healers do not exist to babysit you at Full hp.