Yoshida telling players to go play other games is very damaging to FFXIV

Ion HazExcuses tells players a lot of different things. Barely any of them turn out to be true.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

He might encourage you to take a break, but as we all know, housing encourages you to keep paying regardless of if you're playing or not. He might not want you to get burned out but he does want your money, so let's not pretend there's anything altruistic in this. It just make you seem like a fool.

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The housing excuse vs casual gameplay is not really valid;

Originally housing was not meant to be for individual players but for FCs, so if a specific player wasn't on, as long as someone else was the house is fine. The only reason we have personal housing is because the devs caved to player wishes.

So, yes, while that is on the devs, the player base has to accept responsibility for this. We wanted this, so we have to accept the consequences, even if the devs are ultimately at fault for what I'd say was a bad call.

So when people start dying from deep vein thrombosis and blood clots left and right because they had to sit there and do nothing but play the game.

It'll be WoW further sued and not FFXIV.

No, go away

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Housing demolition is suspended currently, so take your break.


Also, no need to play every day anyway. I imagine most people take small breaks.

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but you pay full price. so you start paying most of the days..

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Originally Posted by kaynide

The housing excuse vs casual gameplay is not really valid;

Originally housing was not meant to be for individual players but for FCs, so if a specific player wasn't on, as long as someone else was the house is fine. The only reason we have personal housing is because the devs caved to player wishes.

So, yes, while that is on the devs, the player base has to accept responsibility for this. We wanted this, so we have to accept the consequences, even if the devs are ultimately at fault for what I'd say was a bad call.

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how its relevant? didnt 1.0 hav elimiton how much exp you can get or something? what was in the past stay there. as of now you need to pay for a house its not free.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

but you pay full price. so you start paying most of the days..

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Do you have any streaming subscriptions? A gym membership? Do you use those every day?


XIV is literally cents per day.

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Look at the WoW director, Ion Hazzikotas. He never told players to take a single break from WoW. Infact he gives players new ideas on how to play WoW differently when they get bored or during a content drought but never once he said to take a break.

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Heh, they want you to play so badly that the game literally punishes you for not playing by being behind on timegated stuff and having to wait until they add catch up mechanics while even the catch up mechanics are timegated. Nah man, enjoy that you can take a week off from FFXIV be it for work or vacation, come back and still be competitive.

ITT another living testament that over the last 15 years, Blizzard engineered so called "lifers" via predatory game design that are now incapable to play video game normally and need to have their life defined by one specific game somehow.

There are a bajillions games out there, I just can't fathom these people when they say they've been playing WoW for 15 years and nothing else.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

how its relevant? didnt 1.0 hav elimiton how much exp you can get or something? what was in the past stay there. as of now you need to pay for a house its not free.

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What are you even talking about? Or did you not read the whole thing?

I guess I’ll give the to;dr version?

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

…housing encourages you to keep paying regardless of if you're playing or not.

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>This situation only exists because the devs caved to player wishes
>Housing is not required for casual play (or any level of play)

At what point did I say housing was free? Or was that your misunderstanding?

this is bait

Cus he cares about our health irl. Even he says its okay to take a break and play other games and come back whenever theres a new patch.

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Originally Posted by Gendiin

Not sure what artifact power your referring to in shadowlands since I'm pretty sure those systems were left behind after the legion artifact weapons & bfa heart of azeroth. The only thing you can even grind is renown....yay. WoWs "content' could be mostly done for the week within 2 days. Have you farmed all your 570 gear yet? is it materia'd out? doubtful. WoW's community makes doing any content feel like I'm dragging my teeth over very coarse sandpaper, god forbid you wipe in a mythic+.

I played wow since it's release and if you think it has "non stop content" you're delusional and looking at wow with rose colored glasses. Wasn't there a HUGE gap in release dates between their content? 9 months between 9.1 and 9.2(9.1 had the appeal of a roasted turd) while ff14 has a 4 month release window for most content patches. The only replayable content wow even has (that ff14 doesn't) is mythic+ and even that's dependent eventually on pick up groups once your key gets past what you can handle.

I think what you're looking for is your typical korean mmo where you can grind forever while trying to avoid the p2w whales.

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True there was a long gap but WoW had at Shadowlands release Mythic+ with almost infinite replayability including a lot more end game dungeons and raids than FF14. Not defending OP but sometimes i want for more end game replayability as well.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

So, yes, while that is on the devs, the player base has to accept responsibility for this. We wanted this, so we have to accept the consequences, even if the devs are ultimately at fault for what I'd say was a bad call.

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This community, I swear.

Hey everyone, it's YOUR fault that S-E has such a limited housing system even though games with far less budget and popularity manage to have housing for everyone *and* with more options.
It's also YOUR fault that, should you not play the game within 45 days of having your house demolished, S-E just trashes every item you worked for.

I think it comes down to preferences.
Some people prefer a game they can no life for many years without running out of stuff to do, most likely due to the neverending grind or rng or something.
Other people prefer having a game they can play on & off whenever they feel like it.
It's just that generally MMO's try to keep players attention for a long time so they try to make them grindy, they try to make people repeat content over & over & over again just to keep people playing (and paying.)
I think it's a breath of fresh air in the mmo industry that a game doesn't do this. I think it's generally a good thing but i can see why it's not for everyone.

It's not Yoshida or SE's responsibility to babysit people's unhealthy habits, and, for that matter, if someone wants to spend 20 hours at a PC that's on them. I do personally take breaks from this game, but I do think this game needs more lasting content. On the matter of housing, I think it's probably even worse now if one was to lose their house, as the only way to get one back is all chance, supposedly.

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Noaki Yoshida in one interview told that if players are bored with the game or if they have completed all PVE content then they should take a break and come back in the next patch. Frankly speaking this is very damaging to the game and to square enix as a whole because its an mmorpg and players play mmorpg to commit long term. Look at the WoW director, Ion Hazzikotas. He never told players to take a single break from WoW. Infact he gives players new ideas on how to play WoW differently when they get bored or during a content drought but never once he said to take a break.

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And look at how WoW and FFXIV are doing now. FFXIV is doing great, WoW is in a steep decline.

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When I play an mmorpg I play it non stop for 10+ years without taking breaks and I am sure there are millions of players like me who think the same way. Majority of mmo players have no interest in single player games.

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I am pretty sure you are in a minority.
I play several MMOs - taking short breaks from each of them every now and then when I start to get bored, and returning after a while when my interest in the game has been renewed. Oh, and I do play single-player games now and then - as do most people I know from MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Noaki Yoshida in one interview told that if players are bored with the game or if they have completed all PVE content then they should take a break and come back in the next patch. Frankly speaking this is very damaging to the game and to square enix as a whole because its an mmorpg and players play mmorpg to commit long term. Look at the WoW director, Ion Hazzikotas. He never told players to take a single break from WoW. Infact he gives players new ideas on how to play WoW differently when they get bored or during a content drought but never once he said to take a break.

When I play an mmorpg I play it non stop for 10+ years without taking breaks and I am sure there are millions of players like me who think the same way. Majority of mmo players have no interest in single player games.

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LMAO and look where WoW is now. Bleeding and failing while FFXIV is so successful they had to temporarily halt new sales.

Stop trying to turn this game in to WoW.

In the history of touching grass, no one has ever needed it as badly as OP does.

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Majority of mmo players have no interest in single player games.

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majority of mmo players don't play longer than 2 hours a day...

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Look at the WoW director, Ion Hazzikotas. He never told players to take a single break from WoW.

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that's because wow's systems force you to spend so much time on them as opposed to ff14's which timegate you anyways, so you may as well play something else. if you got everything done in one sitting, what else are you gonna do?

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

ITT another living testament that over the last 15 years, Blizzard engineered so called "lifers" via predatory game design that are now incapable to play video game normally and need to have their life defined by one specific game somehow.

There are a bajillions games out there, I just can't fathom these people when they say they've been playing WoW for 15 years and nothing else.

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Blizzard hardly did it.

I've been playing these games for longer than wow's been around. EverQuest was notoriously bad for being a time suck. Wow was a breath of fresh air compared to EQ.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

LMAO and look where WoW is now. Bleeding and failing while FFXIV is so successful they had to temporarily halt new sales.

Stop trying to turn this game in to WoW.

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It's like the Californians that move to Texas or Wyoming and try to turn it politically into California. You left for a reason, go back if you miss it so much.

I'm sure some keyboard warrior knows better than a multi-million dollar company.

I'm sure the developer of the companies biggest game has absolutely no idea how to run his PR and advertisement.

I bet Yoshi P hadn't seen the massive growth of his company and is glad you're personally looking out him.

/sarcasm

Imagine a world where people have the freedom to play more than one video game.. That's just crazy thinking right there.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

whats going on with all these trollposts the last few days?

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People have blazed through content in a desperate bid to not be left behind, and are now bored.

Nice troll bait.

It's not damaging. It's actually healthy for both players and the game. Things stagnate when not exposed to new ideas.

This is why I also play Guild Wars 2.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

whats going on with all these trollposts the last few days?

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Probably because its very easy to rile up and bait people in the forums

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Noaki Yoshida in one interview told that if players are bored with the game or if they have completed all PVE content then they should take a break and come back in the next patch. Frankly speaking this is very damaging to the game and to square enix as a whole because its an mmorpg and players play mmorpg to commit long term. Look at the WoW director, Ion Hazzikotas. He never told players to take a single break from WoW. Infact he gives players new ideas on how to play WoW differently when they get bored or during a content drought but never once he said to take a break.

When I play an mmorpg I play it non stop for 10+ years without taking breaks and I am sure there are millions of players like me who think the same way. Majority of mmo players have no interest in single player games.

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And the funny thing is, even when Ion Hazzikotas never told something like that, the players still take a break from WoW. :)


Cheers

Ion doesn't have to tell players to take a break, his elitist design of WoW has all but destroyed it so players are forced off it.

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Originally Posted by Imora

It's like the Californians that move to Texas or Wyoming and try to turn it politically into California. You left for a reason, go back if you miss it so much.

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No one is moving to another state to change it's politics. No one actually defines their lives this way. Get off of the internet for a minute.

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

I'm sure some keyboard warrior knows better than a multi-million dollar company.

I'm sure the developer of the companies biggest game has absolutely no idea how to run his PR and advertisement.

I bet Yoshi P hadn't seen the massive growth of his company and is glad you're personally looking out him.

/sarcasm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4

Do not underestimate some ... forces in big companies. :)

Cheers

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

LMAO and look where WoW is now. Bleeding and failing while FFXIV is so successful they had to temporarily halt new sales.

Stop trying to turn this game in to WoW.

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That's not something to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Noaki Yoshida in one interview told that if players are bored with the game or if they have completed all PVE content then they should take a break and come back in the next patch. Frankly speaking this is very damaging to the game and to square enix as a whole because its an mmorpg and players play mmorpg to commit long term. Look at the WoW director, Ion Hazzikotas.

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Strongly disagree.

It's a way to avoid burnout. And it's SE telling us they are not going to make 'abusive content' designed to turn us into copium junkies. Rather, they tell a story, then they work on getting out the next chapter of that story. We complete the story, and then while we wait for the next chapter, we enjoy the rest of life.

But the mere fact that you mention that street corner Copium dealer Ian strongly implies this is just a troll thread.

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Originally Posted by Neuron

Then this game shouldn't be called an mmorpg if players take breaks all the time during patches. It should be called an online multiplayer game like Warframe, Destiny or Path of Exile as those 3 games don't require absolute devotion and players can leave when they wish and return anytime.

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MMORPG = Mass Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
It does not stand for; Addiction Simulator You Cannot Leave for any reason.
Just because WoW is, doesn't mean every game needs to be.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

MMORPG = Mass Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game
It does not stand for; Addiction Simulator You Cannot Leave for any reason.
Just because WoW is, doesn't mean every game needs to be.

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Exactly this is not addiction simulator! Upvote!

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Originally Posted by Neuron

I think he shouldn't say that because this is an mmorpg. He should design this game in such a way that players will never get bored or take breaks in content droughts.

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so you think he should take the WoW approach and end up with a player base that hates everything about the game they are addicted to? ask anyone who plays, no one ever says they are happy playing WoW

hard pass on that. WoW and its need to be worshipped on a daily basis is what burnt me out on that job. and make no mistake, WoW is a job, you miss a day and you are behind. games are for enjoyment and entertainment. the leadership at WoW was so busy trying to keep people addicted that they forgot how make things fun.

if you have that much of a problem having fun, I am sure you can go back. when you decide to have fun again, FFxiv will still be here, and you can have fun again ^^

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Originally Posted by Imora

Blizzard hardly did it.

I've been playing these games for longer than wow's been around. EverQuest was notoriously bad for being a time suck. Wow was a breath of fresh air compared to EQ.

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I was there 3000 years ago (well back in 99 anyway) in EQ. I think it was easier to tell yourself you didn't have to camp 48 hours the same place holder mob for a chance to spawn a rare mob that had a rare drop on top. The sheer amount of time investment needed was a barrier in itself.

WoW just refined the formula for hooking the player and the never ending treadmill. Imagine people hooked enough that they rerun the same freaking dungeon hundred of times for a CHANCE at a +goodener version of the same item they already have. At this point, Blizzard is not running an MMO, it is running a gacha game.

Doesn't look like it's done much damage to me...

8 pages so far.

Not bad. People seem to really fall for the WoW Player bait threads recently.