why FF14 don't do more collabs?

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10-25-2021, 04:44 AM
Unholychinchilla

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

you clearly never looked at mods for games like skyrim or fallout. you make things look way more complex that they are.

There is a big difference between making a mod (particularly for a single player game) in one's own time and implementing content into an MMO with budget restrictions, scheduling needs, QA standards and a whole bunch of legal overhead.

I'm not making this stuff up, it's stuff I've learned from interviews with the people making XIV. I've also seen mod creators back up the fact that making mods is not the same as developing for an MMO.

It's not me making it more complex than it needs to be, it's you assuming it's easier than it is.
10-25-2021, 05:16 AM
Sotaris

The game don't need collabs.

But the main reasons is aside of license and deals to be worked out, it takes away a lot of dev resources.
iirc Yoshida mentioned at some point a collab takes about a year to fit in.
10-25-2021, 05:21 AM
Poporito_Popoto

Collabs are fairly meaningless to me, as I haven't played any other FF/SE games.
10-25-2021, 06:30 AM
Axxion

i wouldnt mind if they have more. Im still waiting for the pso2 one still since pso 2 had a ffxiv
10-25-2021, 10:07 AM
Absurdity

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Collabs are fairly meaningless to me, as I haven't played any other FF/SE games.

Pretty much this. While I have played other FF games, I'm playing FFXIV to experience FFXIV. I want them to expand on the world and lore of 14, not shower me in nostalgia and fanservice, so I couldn't care less about more collabs.
10-25-2021, 12:40 PM
Wasselin

I think they should "collab" with Final Fantasy VIII and give us some Edea / SeeD uniform / Selphie glam, with FFIV for a Rosa glam, and with FFII for a Minwu glam.
10-25-2021, 01:16 PM
kaynide

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

you clearly never looked at mods for games like skyrim or fallout. you make things look way more complex that they are.

Billy making Sora's keyblade in grandma's basement over a week for Skyrim is not even remotely on the same level as adding it to FFXIV. It has been explained several times what is involved for a collab to work. That you don't understand is either you're not listening, or you don't understand what's being said: please educate yourself on how this works.

We have very metaphorically "Lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink".

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

collabs
the last cry of the dying gacha

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

It is if they're constantly doing them.. because then it's pretty clear that it's the only thing they can think of to keep people from leaving. Typically in a 'healthy' gacha game a collab will happen maybe once a year.

More of a general FYI than as any kind of "pointed" response, but FFXIV has CONSTANT collabs here in Japan.

Like, just last month I could goto the local convenience store to get me some Warrior of Light fried chicken. I even got me some swanky fat cat AND namazu files out of it!

I mean, most Japanese don't really care about or play Final Fantasy. It's not Mickey Mouse big, but it would not be strange to find a T-shirt with Estenien on it at my local Uniqlo.\

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Pretty much this. While I have played other FF games, I'm playing FFXIV to experience FFXIV. I want them to expand on the world and lore of 14, not shower me in nostalgia and fanservice, so I couldn't care less about more collabs.

On this, of course first and foremost your opinion is fine. My response isn't meant to be some kind of criticism towards you.

More, I wanted to let you know if you didn't already that a majority of FFXIV is nostalgia and fanservice to other FF games. It's certainly NOT necessary to play the old games, but you can get an appreciation for and even some additional depth of lore from the other games. So, I do encourage trying the old games out! Of course, you could just as easily read a WIKI if you were curious.

As an example, Ronka was a flying fortress. Essentially Studio Ghibli's Castle in the Sky.

Again, just soft pressure/recommends, but that’s all.
10-25-2021, 02:14 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by Unholychinchilla

There is a big difference between making a mod (particularly for a single player game) in one's own time and implementing content into an MMO with budget restrictions, scheduling needs, QA standards and a whole bunch of legal overhead.

I'm not making this stuff up, it's stuff I've learned from interviews with the people making XIV. I've also seen mod creators back up the fact that making mods is not the same as developing for an MMO.

It's not me making it more complex than it needs to be, it's you assuming it's easier than it is.

You get that the modern budget is 0. They got non. How they can make good looking costumes? What you need is talent. No budget help if you got non. I say it one more time as you people skip it. They don't need to rush nothing take the time and when they can do it . Easy.
10-25-2021, 03:45 PM
Absurdity

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Originally Posted by kaynide

On this, of course first and foremost your opinion is fine. My response isn't meant to be some kind of criticism towards you.

More, I wanted to let you know if you didn't already that a majority of FFXIV is nostalgia and fanservice to other FF games. It's certainly NOT necessary to play the old games, but you can get an appreciation for and even some additional depth of lore from the other games. So, I do encourage trying the old games out! Of course, you could just as easily read a WIKI if you were curious.

As an example, Ronka was a flying fortress. Essentially Studio Ghibli's Castle in the Sky.

Again, just soft pressure/recommends, but that’s all.

Not sure if I would really call it fanservice.

All Final Fantasy games have recurring characters, locations or ideas to a certain extend. Be that Cid or Biggs and Wedge, primals like Alexander, Odin or Bahamut, locations like Ivalice and the Crystal Tower, ideas like Aether or the Warrior of Light.
Those have all been in one or more FF games in the past, the difference is that these are still integral parts to 14s world and story. They're integrated into the universe of this game in a way that makes sense, often with explanations on why they're here and what purpose they fulfill, expanding on what we know about the world.

Can you say the same about most of the collab events? NieR was basically explained with "they came from a different universe", same with the FFXI and the FFXV event, a lot of the other collab events don't even get that much.

This is what I mean when I say I couldn't care less about collab events, they aren't integrated into the lore, they don't tell us anything new about the planet of Hydaelyn, they purely exist to have us go through a 15 minute quest and give us some fanservice rewards.
10-25-2021, 04:37 PM
Avidria

I mean. Why would they? If they don't stand to gain something, what's the point?

To my knowledge/memory, this game already has more in game collab content than any other MMO I've played except probably Aion. I don't mind overmuch, and I've enjoyed most of it, but I'm definitely not clamouring for more of it. Even Nier, like... I liked the raids. I thought they were fun, and I like the glamour. But the story lost me halfway through the second part, and the series as a whole ate up far more in game real estate than I personally think it should've. Having it as the alliance raid was maybe the best way to tell the story they wanted to tell, but as cool as the zones were I still think there was room for some cool content that actually expanded on Norvrandt's lore instead.

I won't be upset if they add more collab stuff, but I also won't be upset if they don't. I'm still probably not going to play Monster Hunter, or Nier, or Garo (is that even a game? Literally do not know) or whatever, but I mean. I'm also not gonna complain about neat glamours. It's whatever to me.
10-25-2021, 07:34 PM
grinkdaboy

good crossover: organically integrating the lore and world of ivalice into the world and lore of eorzea

bad crossover: giant robot factory behind the dwarf mountains because ???
10-25-2021, 07:52 PM
Larirawiel

More collabs would be really nice. I want collabs with Doom, Duke Nukem, Flight Simulator, Desert Strike, Command & Conquer aaaaand Turrican!

:D

Cheers
10-25-2021, 08:54 PM
Poporito_Popoto

How about Grand Theft Chocobo?
10-25-2021, 10:03 PM
ReynTime

There were/are more than enough collabs...
10-25-2021, 10:33 PM
Kes13a

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

like the alliance raid for 5.x. don't know any one that hated it.

by your forum join date I can see why you would think that. There seemed to be a fair bit of comment against the Nier raids. so saying it was universally loved is outright false.

I thought they were decent, but there are many many people that disagree.
10-25-2021, 11:01 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

by your forum join date I can see why you would think that. There seemed to be a fair bit of comment against the Nier raids. so saying it was universally loved is outright false.

I thought they were decent, but there are many many people that disagree.

What to hate in them? I think 9u5 of all the raids this was the most fun
10-25-2021, 11:53 PM
Unholychinchilla

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

You get that the modern budget is 0. They got non. How they can make good looking costumes? What you need is talent. No budget help if you got non. I say it one more time as you people skip it. They don't need to rush nothing take the time and when they can do it . Easy.

I've already addressed the fact that the necessary talent doesn't grow on trees. I've already said that taking longer doesn't equal better skill without senior devs taking time to offer guidance (Which would be needed anyway to teach them how to impement their work into the game). I've already mentioned how hiring people just to work on a couple of glamours a year is ridiculously inefficient financially.

You clearly are only hearing what you want to hear.

Also I'm not sure how your point about there being no budget helps your case. If there's no more room in the budget where is the money to hire these junior devs going to come from? Unless you mean something else. The first part of your post doesn't make a huge amount of sense tbh.
10-25-2021, 11:57 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by Unholychinchilla

I've already addressed the fact that the necessary talent doesn't grow on trees. I've already said that taking longer doesn't equal better skill without senior devs taking time to offer guidance (Which would be needed anyway to teach them how to impement their work into the game). I've already mentioned how hiring people just to work on a couple of glamours a year is ridiculously inefficient financially.

You clearly are only hearing what you want to hear.

Also I'm not sure how your point about there being no budget helps your case. If there's no more room in the budget where is the money to hire these junior devs going to come from? Unless you mean something else. The first part of your post doesn't make a huge amount of sense tbh.

You clearly miss my point. Get new people. Take the time for them to know the job. Then start working on the Collab.
10-26-2021, 12:16 AM
jameseoakes

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

You clearly miss my point. Get new people. Take the time for them to know the job. Then start working on the Collab.

I don't see why the staff they get in for that would not be better used making content for 14 rather than making collabs.
10-26-2021, 12:37 AM
Lunalepsy

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

don't you think for a game as popular as ff14 is be easy to collab whit lots of anime and games?
it don't need to be much more that a small quest and some nice glams.
what you think of this? :confused:

It takes time!
10-26-2021, 01:01 AM
Lanadra

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

You clearly miss my point. Get new people. Take the time for them to know the job. Then start working on the Collab.

No no no no no. Get them working on things that actually matter to the lore and setting of XIV.
10-26-2021, 01:16 AM
Unholychinchilla

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

You clearly miss my point. Get new people. Take the time for them to know the job. Then start working on the Collab.

Okay your not reading anything because I literally just addressed this. I give up.
10-26-2021, 01:17 AM
MilkieTea

Collabs? Meh

Intricate lore, worldbuilding, and fleshing out the game we've already got? Heck yeah
10-26-2021, 01:39 AM
kaynide

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Not sure if I would really call it fanservice.

All Final Fantasy games have recurring characters, locations or ideas to a certain extend. Be that Cid or Biggs and Wedge, primals like Alexander, Odin or Bahamut, locations like Ivalice and the Crystal Tower, ideas like Aether or the Warrior of Light.
Those have all been in one or more FF games in the past, the difference is that these are still integral parts to 14s world and story. They're integrated into the universe of this game in a way that makes sense, often with explanations on why they're here and what purpose they fulfill, expanding on what we know about the world.

Can you say the same about most of the collab events? NieR was basically explained with "they came from a different universe", same with the FFXI and the FFXV event, a lot of the other collab events don't even get that much.

This is what I mean when I say I couldn't care less about collab events, they aren't integrated into the lore, they don't tell us anything new about the planet of Hydaelyn, they purely exist to have us go through a 15 minute quest and give us some fanservice rewards.

So, I liked the game Nier on its own. A fine action game with interesting story. But in FFXIV, I did not like. It just didn’t fit and felt cheap for something that was/is fairly major content,

The actual raid mechanically was fine, but it could have just as easily been any other theme with different models/textures. And hon3stly I feel it should have been..even if it was exploring the Ronkan depths/crashed mana fortress/something.

Just me, but the best collabs have been short and sweet, and fit existing lore fairly well, like Monster Hunter. The dimension hopping Lightning/Noctis/Iroha less interesting…

I like to think the devs realize how poorly accepted the 5.0 raids were comparatively, and have thus decided to make something original for 6.0.
10-26-2021, 02:56 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by kaynide

So, I liked the game Nier on its own. A fine action game with interesting story. But in FFXIV, I did not like. It just didn’t fit and felt cheap for something that was/is fairly major content,

The actual raid mechanically was fine, but it could have just as easily been any other theme with different models/textures. And hon3stly I feel it should have been..even if it was exploring the Ronkan depths/crashed mana fortress/something.

Just me, but the best collabs have been short and sweet, and fit existing lore fairly well, like Monster Hunter. The dimension hopping Lightning/Noctis/Iroha less interesting…

I like to think the devs realize how poorly accepted the 5.0 raids were comparatively, and have thus decided to make something original for 6.0.

I enjoyed the Nier raids and their story well enough...until the 3rd raid. The 1st and 2nd raid set the finale up with a lot of potential that just...fell flat on its face and caught fire. And the post raid quests did nothing to help that. They made even less sense than the ending of the raids themselves. At the end of the day it was all fanservice first and foremost. It just feels like they stopped trying when it could have been decent. My expectations were high because I know what Nier's story has been capable of in the past. Perhaps I should have tempered those expectations. The bosses, mechanics, gear sets and music were great, but that's about it. It was basically a year long advertisement for Nier which didn't do either game justice. I think it actually turned a lot of people off to the games themselves because of how poorly done it was. That is a huge shame, too. They are great.
10-26-2021, 03:50 AM
Kolsykol

Rather than crossovers with different games altogether I'd rather see stuff from other FF games sorta like the one we got recently.
When FF7R is coming out on PC it'd be cool with a crossover ( gimme Tifa's costume ).
Cloud's sword is already the melee LB, might as well make it an actual weapon too.

Nier Automata is one of my favorite games of all time so I greatly enjoyed getting gear from the raids and it all looked great ( also, we finally got butts because of it rofl. BUTTS IN A FF GAME!? IMPOSSIBHRU! ).
I don't think that it should be some really common thing tho but once an expansion would be cool and they could still blend it into the story especially if it from other FF games, the game already has what is essentially copy pasted stuff from old FF games as it is. Wouldn't be hard to mix it in there.
10-26-2021, 08:05 AM
TheMightyMollusk

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Originally Posted by Kuro_Matsu

I vote for Chick-fil-A.

Their lines are always way too absurd for fast food. And I'm still wary about eating in at restaurants.
10-26-2021, 08:39 AM
Poporito_Popoto

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Originally Posted by Unholychinchilla

Okay your not reading anything because I literally just addressed this. I give up.

Probably for the best.
10-26-2021, 08:50 AM
NessaWyvern

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

I think most of the community rather have the devs make original content then crossovers. MHW event was subpar and the trial was pretty lackluster. Most people found the nier raid pretty boring as well.

That being said, the Rathalos is pretty sick looking, it's probably one of my top 5 mounts of the game.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Nier Automata is one of my favorite games of all time so I greatly enjoyed getting gear from the raids and it all looked great ( also, we finally got butts because of it rofl. BUTTS IN A FF GAME!? IMPOSSIBHRU! ).

Not if you played Viera ;) We already had similar booty on our racial gear.

The one cross-over event that I would like to see a change to, is the FF13 stuff. Let me use my Blazefire Saber on Gunbreaker already. Also, untuck my cape out of that belt, we have some kind of rigging for capes now that we didn't have in ARR, please update the outfit.
10-26-2021, 01:00 PM
kaynide

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I enjoyed the Nier raids and their story well enough...until the 3rd raid. The 1st and 2nd raid set the finale up with a lot of potential that just...fell flat on its face and caught fire. And the post raid quests did nothing to help that. They made even less sense than the ending of the raids themselves. At the end of the day it was all fanservice first and foremost. It just feels like they stopped trying when it could have been decent. My expectations were high because I know what Nier's story has been capable of in the past. Perhaps I should have tempered those expectations. The bosses, mechanics, gear sets and music were great, but that's about it. It was basically a year long advertisement for Nier which didn't do either game justice. I think it actually turned a lot of people off to the games themselves because of how poorly done it was. That is a huge shame, too. They are great.

Agreed; I think Nier would have been much better served if they just used Nier references but actually ditched the actual Nier lore overall.

Like, if there was an advanced industrial Garlemald-esque people of the First with the robot guys, somewhere out in the wasteland.
2B/9S did not actually need to be androids. Survivors of the fallen “empire” could have worked.
It could also have easily been Factory -> Amusement Park -> Tower without need of a crashes space station or a visit to “Tokyo”.

So..yeah. Like both games separately…together, it was a bit of a mess.
10-26-2021, 04:46 PM
Theodric

I'd like to see more crossover events in the future. At the same time, I hope that they'll fit the game world better and also offer a greater variety of rewards.
10-26-2021, 05:34 PM
_Koneko_

they should do a collab with kingdom hearts and let us fight kh sephiroth and get the outfit :) and sword ... my samurai needs it
10-26-2021, 06:54 PM
Momo_Kozuki

I'm still waiting for Wrath of the Leech King
10-26-2021, 07:42 PM
Loonies

Please nothing in the open world content like collabs. If its in Gold saucer i dont care, not going there.
10-26-2021, 10:57 PM
SamsaraTrickstar

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Originally Posted by Loonies

Please nothing in the open world content like collabs. If its in Gold saucer i dont care, not going there.

Works for me as well. This dead place need some love.
10-26-2021, 10:58 PM
Rein_eon_Osborne

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

I'm still waiting for Wrath of the Leech King

We have one in Mor Dhona, ain't we?
10-26-2021, 11:48 PM
Nanchi

Collabs as in Events yes, but no more gutting Alliance raids for collabs. I want this game to have its own lore. However fun Ivalice was, it was still just fanservice for the people who played tactics (Though I respect the writers for trying to make it fit into this world).
Nier on the other hand, really disappointed with that one on the lore perspective. So I'm very happy with the fact they are not repeating that for Endwalker.
In terms of having collabs for events, it sounds silly but I think having an Ace attourney event would be incredibly fun! Go around solving crimes and playing detective, a nice event prize might be the iconic Objection! as an emote (if that is even possible due to copyright)

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