Need a NEW SMALL RACE!!!!!

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

In VI moogles were minding their own business but also didn't hesitate to help a complete stranger. In IX they're very hard workers despite the obsession with kupo nuts. In XII even more so.
I don't remember what they were like before VI. But Thal's balls the XIV Moogles ride on the "Haha they're cute but they exploit you" trope way too much. Which is something that XIV does with most of its 'cute' little characters too... Namazu, Lalafel...

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You forgot about the part in FFXI where some of them went rogue and committed a Moogle Kupo d'Etat...

So they don't always play nice lol.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't think we really do need a 'small' race, like lalafell. Lalafell is too much frankly, and a lot of these races like Ivalice Moogles or whatever, would just end up being another limited race.

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We definitly do need another small race.
And something as cute as the Ivalician Moogles would be perfect.
Also moogle heads/faces are simple, so fitting headgear wouldnt be an issue, and if they only make ONE race instead of 2 then theyd get alot more done.

Ivalice moogles or riot!

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

You forgot about the part in FFXI where some of them went rogue and committed a Moogle Kupo d'Etat...

So they don't always play nice lol.

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Not to mention the only respectable moogle in FFXIV, Nutsy!


Still sad he never was a fight.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

We definitly do need another small race.
And something as cute as the Ivalician Moogles would be perfect.
Also moogle heads/faces are simple, so fitting headgear wouldnt be an issue, and if they only make ONE race instead of 2 then theyd get alot more done.

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Now do the arms and legs that somehow have to match up with animations and not looks completely broken. This would likely be more work than doing both Viera and Hrothgar at once were.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Now do the arms and legs that somehow have to match up with animations and not looks completely broken. This would likely be more work than doing both Viera and Hrothgar at once were.

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All they gotta do is steal the lalafell skeleton and make it less fat. Toss in a few new animations and you’re set.

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Originally Posted by Nothv13

Now do the arms and legs that somehow have to match up with animations and not looks completely broken. This would likely be more work than doing both Viera and Hrothgar at once were.

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Did you forget Lalafells exist? They animate just fine on the arms and legs. If Lalafells work, then Ivalician Moogles will work to.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Did you forget Lalafells exist? They animate just fine on the arms and legs. If Lalafells work, then Ivalician Moogles will work to.

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Personally I think Ivalician moogles should be left where they are. I saw what people have done to their viera's and I don't want the iconic moogles to be apart of it.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

We definitly do need another small race.
And something as cute as the Ivalician Moogles would be perfect.
Also moogle heads/faces are simple, so fitting headgear wouldnt be an issue, and if they only make ONE race instead of 2 then theyd get alot more done.

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Why exactly do we need another small race. Not just a want for some players, but a 'need'?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Why exactly do we need another small race. Not just a want for some players, but a 'need'?

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Well it would be nice to have a male character option that was about the size of female miqo'te and au'ra... there's just so much of a gap IMO between potato and everything else.

I think square could stop creating new races, and focus in improve in more customization options, like new faces. And they told before that they wont create another. Hyur its a race with most options so far, others have only 4 or 5 faces.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Well it would be nice to have a male character option that was about the size of female miqo'te and au'ra... there's just so much of a gap IMO between potato and everything else.

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Male miqo'te can be about same height, anyway that's not what I meant by "small". I meant lalafell size, things like the Ivalice moogles or Loporrits (?), that have been suggested already. For that matter, I don't think it is necessary to have males of a race considerably smaller than their female variant either.

Ivalician moogles are just another rabbit race (on top of Viera and the new moonbuns). I find the idea quite unimaginative.

I'd be down for a feathered race. Those could be pretty small. Or maybe a fish/marine race (even though the Au Ra kind of cover that already). Or even plant-people.

If we got any sort of new race at all, I would prefer the devs design something new. I don't think there are any more good ideas for races to come out of prior FF games, just more variations on cats, rodents/lagopmorphs, and lizards.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Did you forget Lalafells exist? They animate just fine on the arms and legs. If Lalafells work, then Ivalician Moogles will work to.

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Its still more work. Plus their heads would have the same issue as Viera and Hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

I think square could stop creating new races, and focus in improve in more customization options, like new faces. And they told before that they wont create another. Hyur its a race with most options so far, others have only 4 or 5 faces.

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If anything we need MORE races cuz it looks like 5 varieties of Human, Kimahri, and potatoes.

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Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor

If anything we need MORE races cuz it looks like 5 varieties of Human, Kimahri, and potatoes.

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so you especting square create something with more than 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs....well they could bring a beholder to us play with, but that part of D&D franchise.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Male miqo'te can be about same height, anyway that's not what I meant by "small". I meant lalafell size, things like the Ivalice moogles or Loporrits (?), that have been suggested already. For that matter, I don't think it is necessary to have males of a race considerably smaller than their female variant either.

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It's not just about the height I'm referring to. It's also muscle build. It's like choosing the number of protein shakes you drink per day... or look small and round enough to never stop rolling down a hill.

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

so you especting square create something with more than 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs....well they could bring a beholder to us play with, but that part of D&D franchise.

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Ok, calm down Mr. Hyperbole.

A race can exist without needing you to form a parasocial relationship with it, you know.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

It's not just about the height I'm referring to. It's also muscle build. It's like choosing the number of protein shakes you drink per day... or look small and round enough to never stop rolling down a hill.

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And those animations....

You can play up the most stoic and serious Lala WoL on Eorzea, but the moment a Duty ends you prance like a schoolgirl that got invited to prom by her crush.

I'd rather them work on customization options over a new race IMO. At least for now. Same with animations. If Elezen could have slightly shorter arms, a neck slider, and new running animations, I'd be pretty happy. Same with Highlander could use more faces, eyebrow options for them etc. Just options in general for all races. Would be pretty nice to have the option to use different horns for different faces on au ra, hide tails if you choose to, could simply be a toggle for when the tails clip REALLY bad with certain outfits, especially capes. No reason not to be allowed options, personally.

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Originally Posted by SpanishInkwehsitor

Ok, calm down Mr. Hyperbole.

A race can exist without needing you to form a parasocial relationship with it, you know.



And those animations....

You can play up the most stoic and serious Lala WoL on Eorzea, but the moment a Duty ends you prance like a schoolgirl that got invited to prom by her crush.

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im calm no worries.

Yes we do need another smol playable race.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Why exactly do we need another small race. Not just a want for some players, but a 'need'?

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What other Small Races are there to chose from?
All I see is Lalafell, meanwhile we have several Medium and Tall Options to chose from, while the Lalas are all alone.
So maybe Need is the wrong word....but we SHOULD get another Small Race.
Yknow...if they can afford to make more races in the Future of course. Im not unreasonable.

I wouldn't mind another small race if it was an animal-like race like the Hrothgar. I want to see how creative Square-Enix can be with a new race.
We already have cats, rabbits, and lizards, so I'd like to see what other kind of animal they'd use. It could be something like tiny hamster people with big, puffy cheeks, or it could be a race of tiny corgi people.
Anything is possible.

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Originally Posted by DontReadThis

I wouldn't mind another small race if it was an animal-like race like the Hrothgar. I want to see how creative Square-Enix can be with a new race.
We already have cats, rabbits, and lizards, so I'd like to see what other kind of animal they'd use. It could be something like tiny hamster people with big, puffy cheeks, or it could be a race of tiny corgi people.
Anything is possible.

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Ran across an english vtuber due to youtube recommendations named Gura... So how about small shark ppl that can apparently drown in water if they forget their floaties? Now if I could just figure out why youtube keeps putting minecraft videos in my recommendations when I don't really play that game or watch videos about it. XD

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

What other Small Races are there to chose from?
All I see is Lalafell, meanwhile we have several Medium and Tall Options to chose from, while the Lalas are all alone.
So maybe Need is the wrong word....but we SHOULD get another Small Race.
Yknow...if they can afford to make more races in the Future of course. Im not unreasonable.

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Is that not enough? I still do not see the need here, nor why we should have another. If we didn't already have something sure, I could at least humor the request as beneficial for the game, instead I just see it as what would be bloat.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is that not enough? I still do not see the need here, nor why we should have another. If we didn't already have something sure, I could at least humor the request as beneficial for the game, instead I just see it as what would be bloat.

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I think you're getting a little caught on that word.
We also don't need more jobs.
We're simply saying that if SQEX ever considers adding another race, that another small one would be very valuable to FF14.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is that not enough? I still do not see the need here, nor why we should have another. If we didn't already have something sure, I could at least humor the request as beneficial for the game, instead I just see it as what would be bloat.

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Believe it or not, not everyone wants to be a potbellied munchkin that waddles like Cotton Hill, yet Lalafell are the only available option for players that want to play a genuinely smol race.

Meanwhile, players that want to be big and burly have Roegadyn, Hrothgar, Male Au Ra, and Highlanders. Tall and classy has Elezen and Viera which can also fit into the average height range. Then there's midlanders and miqo'te sitting at a relatively average height with female miqos dipping down to 4'11" at their shortest and fem Au Ra being even shorter at 4'10".

Plenty of options for everyone except for the people that want to play something something Lalafell-sized or somewhat taller but don't exactly jive with the Lalafell aesthetics of being cutesy, conniving little backstabbers that'll scam you out of all your money. There's also a pretty sizeable gap between fem Au Ra's minimum height and Lalafell's max height of 3'2”. Calling another small race bloat when all of the other height ranges have 2 or 3 options is honestly laughable.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I think you're getting a little caught on that word.
We also don't need more jobs.
We're simply saying that if SQEX ever considers adding another race, that another small one would be very valuable to FF14.

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I agree, we don't necessarily need more jobs either, but I think jobs are a pretty big focus for the game's identity, this and their last mmorpg. So are largely important for the game, and serve a mechanical purpose, unlike the novelty of a race.

I think another small race, rather another race in general, would be detrimental to FFXIV actually, in terms of development resources. I'd rather other things be made using these resources, than be permanently held up making and maintaining another race.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Believe it or not, not everyone wants to be a potbellied munchkin that waddles like Cotton Hill, yet Lalafell are the only available option for players that want to play a genuinely smol race.

Meanwhile, players that want to be big and burly have Roegadyn, Hrothgar, Male Au Ra, and Highlanders. Tall and classy has Elezen and Viera which can also fit into the average height range. Then there's midlanders and miqo'te sitting at a relatively average height with female miqos dipping down to 4'11" at their shortest and fem Au Ra being even shorter at 4'10".

Plenty of options for everyone except for the people that want to play something something Lalafell-sized or somewhat taller but don't exactly jive with the Lalafell aesthetics of being cutesy, conniving little backstabbers that'll scam you out of all your money. There's also a pretty sizeable gap between fem Au Ra's minimum height and Lalafell's max height of 3'2”. Calling another small race bloat when all of the other height ranges have 2 or 3 options is honestly laughable.

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I think most of the races, if not all of them, aren't actually exactly what players want either. Male au ra midsection is constantly pointed out, not having a 'proper' elf race, highlander's having no eyebrows, etc. I just don't think that warrants the addition of another small race, with slightly different proportions and animations to lalafell, or just a furry variant. I'd rather they, instead of adding new races, now focus on what we have and give us all more options. Especially, if the addition of another race - small or not - would be yet another limited race, one that may even require a fantasia to change the face/hair just like with hrothgar's "unique heads".

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is that not enough? I still do not see the need here, nor why we should have another. If we didn't already have something sure, I could at least humor the request as beneficial for the game, instead I just see it as what would be bloat.

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This really isn't an argument....Viera is nothing but Bloat...and yet...here they are.
Lalafell being the One and Only Short Race option is abit unfair, again we dont necessarily NEED another short option, but if we were to get another new race then we SHOULD get another short option. It would be Beneficial to the game to open more Diverse options.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

instead of adding new races, now focus on what we have and give us all more options.

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Why not both? If they are able and want to, why can't we get both more options for existing races as well as adding new races?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

yet another limited race, one that may even require a fantasia to change the face/hair just like with hrothgar's "unique heads".

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Im not gonna tell anyone to get over it.....but at least stop using the Hrothgar as an excuse to say no to a new race like any race would have the exact same issue, or like YoshiP and the Devs wont figure a way to prevent this in a future race.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This really isn't an argument....Viera is nothing but Bloat...and yet...here they are.
Lalafell being the One and Only Short Race option is abit unfair, again we dont necessarily NEED another short option, but if we were to get another new race then we SHOULD get another short option. It would be Beneficial to the game to open more Diverse options.



Why not both? If they are able and want to, why can't we get both more options for existing races as well as adding new races?



Im not gonna tell anyone to get over it.....but at least stop using the Hrothgar as an excuse to say no to a new race like any race would have the exact same issue, or like YoshiP and the Devs wont figure a way to prevent this in a future race.

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I do think viera are bloat, and frankly shouldn't have been added - in their limited state. I definitely think male viera shouldn't have been added yet either. I just don't see any purpose in adding more bloat, especially if it was to be for some small race like this. What does it matter if it's fair or not? Games don't have unlimited budgets to be spent on novelties, especially when there are already more than enough races in the game.

Yeah, maybe they won't have hrothgar style limitations, they just won't have any headgear instead.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I do think viera are bloat, and frankly shouldn't have been added - in their limited state. I definitely think male viera shouldn't have been added yet either. I just don't see any purpose in adding more bloat, especially if it was to be for some small race like this. What does it matter if it's fair or not? Games don't have unlimited budgets to be spent on novelties, especially when there are already more than enough races in the game.

Yeah, maybe they won't have hrothgar style limitations, they just won't have any headgear instead.

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You still make it sound like the Devs wouldn't try to make sure a Hrothgar situation wouldn't happen again.
And, I hope my point is clear that we dont Need the new race, just that if we get another new one that it 'should' be another small one. Limitations or it being a Limited Race isn't part of the argument. The Fairness point is about having another option for a short race IF we got a new race

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Why not both? If they are able and want to, why can't we get both more options for existing races as well as adding new races?

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They can't even get the current newest races into the game in a finished state. You think they'd be able to do both a finished new race and add more customization options? Someone really doesn't learn from history.

...I read this title and instantly thought, "Yeah! We need to add an Ishgard/Chocobo forest short Race track to Chocobo Racing! I'm tired of the Sagolii Desert spam!"

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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Every race comes with a monkey's paw except Miqo'te

"I want a tall elvish race!"
Granted but they have really long necks with tendency to break in weird positions and weird animations

"I want a normal human race dammit"
Granted but they look like weird ken doll souless robots

"I want a rugged-like human not these skinny guys"
Granted but zombie eyebags and NO EYEBROWS LOLOLOL

"I want to be a hot tittilating human woman"
Granted but all your voice choices are grating and btw *drags lips further and further away from the nose* hope you like being stuck with bigger upper lips to fix this

"I said I want to be a TALL badass woman"
Granted but squared flat nose, no hips and if you want to look cute you only have one face

"I want to be a huge buff dude"
Granted but your body is shaped like Wreck-it-Ralph and your head is even smaller than his. Also pacman mouth.

"I want to be a small cute guy/girl"
Granted but your torso is a potato and you will barely see the details in your glamour unless it's a dress

"I want to be a demon-lizard like person"
Granted but you're stuck with these horns and scale shapes you can't customize lololol and if you're a guy you look ridiculous when you're running

"I want to be a tall hot bunny girl"
Granted but your hat/head customization sucks

"I want to be a big buff beastman, too many humans and kemonomimi in this dammit"
Granted but you have back problems, you can't change your hair without a fantasia, you can only pick two hairstyles per face, you can't wear most hats, and glasses float a foot away from your face

Meanwhile with Miqo'te:

"I want to be a catgirl"
Granted but... uh... everyone else will be one too!

"Nah I want to be a catboy"
Granted but then er... hmm... well... uh, artritis hands in your neutral standing stance! Ha! I bet you totally regret it now huh??

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Every race comes with a monkey's paw except Miqo'te
"I want to be a demon-lizard like person"
Granted but you're stuck with these horns and scale shapes you can't customize lololol and if you're a guy you look ridiculous when you're running

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You can also only be barely 5 ft tall if you want to play a female character. This whole post is too on point, tho...

I do see a niche for maybe a small race that isn't "cute," but maybe more "cool". Wow has dwarves and goblins, GW2 has asura.

Some players like the "tiny but fierce" or "spry rogue" archetype, and I hate to say it but lala only *ironically* fill these roles that could be played totally straight with, for example:

* a small monkey-like race like kobolds
* a small fish-like race like sahagin
* a small bird-like race like ixali

I don't think a new race is necessary. And I don't think any of the above options are particularly likely because we already have so many beast tribes hitting similar beats. However, looking back on the game in retrospect it does seem like a pretty large design hole that, imo, would have made the game much more marketable to western playerbases who generally find less appeal in "cute" races.

Goblins, since they're technically not a Beast Tribe!

I dunno if SE will ever add any more playable races aside from the male/female counterparts of Viera and Hrothgar, but one thing I wish they'd have done with Lalafell was make them more beastlike. Too often I find it easy to picture Lalafells with deer or mouse traits (ears, eyes, nose, tail). But, they're more faerie like than anything, so I guess that's okay. I still love them.

All of the races could use just a bit more to their design to distinguish them from just humans but large/tall/small or with bits stuck on if you ask me...

Need another small player race? Why not Ivalice Moogles? The perfect fit.

90% of lalafell wear fox ears anyway so what's the point?