Why is the PvP Shadowstalker set unavailable permanently?

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

I think it's a valid point, troll or not. Not to say there aren't troll threads popping up (or getting necro'd) a lot, but not every thread is one...

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Everyone on these forums will say that literally every thread is a troll thread because they are spiteful creatures.

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Everyone on these forums will say that literally every thread is a troll thread because they are spiteful creatures.

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It would help if you could count as high as 6.

I hope the PvP rework in Endwalker will change this.
It's really a waste of ressource to make theses just for a few hundred.
A portion of the more competitive community might be against it and probably want more unique limited rewards, but imo rewards should only be limited for a time, like keeping the current system for the current season (or last X seasons) and opening older rewards to be obtenable by alternative way.

It's alse kind of strange to have this alien reward system when the whole rest of the game don't do it, on the contrary, it's usually easier to get them as time pass.

They even rework the sub rewards to make it easier for new players to get them and not having to wait years.
So it wouldn't feel strange if they also end-up changing the PvP rewards to align it to the rest of the game.

They've gone on record to say pvp rewards won't come back.
And I'm okay with this.

I'd be okay with more permanently unavailable items too.
As long as they continue to cycle in new items, it only serves to help in the long run.

Ehh they've also gone on record saying housing will be more available and cheaper, that there will be no new races, that blue mage isn't happening.

I don't put too much stock in what they say will or will not happen. If enough people want it (i.e. the shadowstalker set), they will probably create some other method of obtaining it, possibly via this new PVP thing with its new rewards system. It may not be 100% the same thing but they really should do something about the players that are boosting and selling accounts this way (if they're even aware that the problem exists).

I'm totally fine with having rewards that are PVP only just like there are rewards that are PVE only.

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Am I infamous on the forums now, huh? For speaking common sense and not failing first grade math? Laughable.

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you mean not grasping mathematical concepts and refusing to admit you're wrong?

There are 8 data centers currently: 3 NA, 3 JP, 2 EU.

The definition of prime numbers explicitly excludes 1 because including 1 would break so many concepts. Quote: "A prime number (or a prime) is a natural number greater than 1 that is not a product of two smaller natural numbers."

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Can you seriously not count?

Aether, Primal, Crystal, Europe, Japan.

There are 6.

You should retake mathematics in ELEMENTARY school.

Fail.

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Aether, Primal, Crystal, Chaos, Light, Elemental, Gaia, Mana. That's 8, troll.

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Can you seriously not count?

Aether (1), Primal(2), Crystal(3), Europe(4), Japan(5).

There are 6. ????

You should retake mathematics in ELEMENTARY school.

Fail.

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:thinking: (P.S. there are 8, not 5, do you really think Europe and Japan only have one each???)

Anyway, back on topic!

There was another thread at some point on PVP exclusives, and there was an idea from it I liked that I still think would be well-implemented: making alternative versions of these glamours. Those who have worked their way up to the top 100 will have one version, while the other would be available for say, wolf collars (Feast rewards should still go to Feast participants, even if not the top 100). Make small but noticeable changes, color palette differences particularly, or maybe remove a few small details. This allows you to still have the “cool glamours” but still creates an exclusive and unique item for the top 100. Keep prior “alternate” rewards available for collars as well throughout the seasons, so even if you don’t get enough collars one season, you’re not completely out of luck.

OP has a point of the strange exclusivity of the items, think about what purpose they serve.

You have them spending time/money to make these mounts/glamours that are so rare that not only with about 0.01% of the top players in the game get them, but they're so rare you can go a year without even seeing someone else with one of them.

They don't encourage players to take part in ranked pvp- which is perhaps the worst part about it, the goal of rewards is to encourage participation, something pvp and ranked pvp especially badly needs... but if a reward is impossible to obtain (and again- only the top 0.01% of players can obtain this), then to almost every player in the game, it may well not even exist.

So you have SE spending time/money to create some incredible items that effectively nobody will ever obtain or even try to compete for because they understand the impossibility of obtaining it (unless they of course do consider themselves to be one of the best players in the world)- it's not bringing more players into pvp, it's not making players aspire to do better so they can get those items too (since they're time exclusive and so unobtainable).

If they actually want ranked pvp to have a playerbase, they're going to need to consider making it rewarding to more than 600 out of 2000000 players.

And I don't think that's something anyone can really deny- the way it is right now, it's just not accomplishing making the mode worth putting more time into developing, so of course with that participation pvp gets neglected. If anything pvp players should want this most because an active gamemode is going to get more dev time.

So glad the Attention finally shifted away from the Eaglebeak / Lone Wolf Coat to this. Please continue.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

So glad the Attention finally shifted away from the Eaglebeak / Lone Wolf Coat to this. Please continue.

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Honestly I liked the look of those better than the ultra armoured edgelord sets that have come after lol

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It would help if you could count as high as 6.

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Ok smarty-pants, it would help if you could count as high as 1. Oh wait you can't because it's apparently not a prime number. FAIL

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

you mean not grasping mathematical concepts and refusing to admit you're wrong?

There are 8 data centers currently: 3 NA, 3 JP, 2 EU.

The definition of prime numbers explicitly excludes 1 because including 1 would break so many concepts. Quote: "A prime number (or a prime) is a natural number greater than 1 that is not a product of two smaller natural numbers."

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There are 6 data centers: Aether Primal Crystal Europe Japan. Can you learn to count?

Also go find me a number that can divide 1 that isn't 1 itself. I'll sit here and wait for infinity because guess what it doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Venandi

There are 6 data centers: 1Aether 2Primal 3Crystal 4Europe 5Japan. Can you learn to count?

Also go find me a number that can divide 1 that isn't 1 itself. I'll sit here and wait for infinity because guess what it doesn't exist.

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:P Must be a slow winter day wherever you are!

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

:P Must be a slow winter day wherever you are!

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Europe has 2 data centers because of Brexit. So it's actually 4 and 5. Nice try though.

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Europe has 2 data centers because of Brexit. So it's actually 4 and 5. Nice try though.

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You are definitely the funniest troll of the bunch!

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

You are definitely the funniest troll of the bunch!

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It's all the same person though.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It's all the same person though.

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Eh, should've been clearer. Meant it was the funniest personality. :P

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

Eh, should've been clearer. Meant it was the funniest personality. :P

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Oh, well in that case yes lol

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Oh, well in that case yes lol

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Makes you wonder if all these personalities are arguing voices in their head. :P lol

Just have a bit of patience, Venandi, winter is coming. Though I know in your case that it is indeed difficult to remember when exactly.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

Just have a bit of patience, Venandi, winter is coming. Though I know in your case that it is indeed difficult to remember when exactly.

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They must have had a big influence on GoT season 8's writing. :p It would explain just about everything!

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They must have had a big influence on GoT season 8's writing. :p It would explain just about everything!

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Some Feast winners will argue that releasing those would diminish the value of the rewards.
To what i replay: Everything in this game faces such decay - Why should PvP be diferent?

And i've proposed before, not even just releasing them to be exchanged for easy wolf marks or long grinding achievements.

But just reward a tradable token at the end of each season, this would allow you to pick a particular reward (be it mounts or armor sets) and them to be usable for a set time for the duration of the next season - If the person doesn't manage to get into the top 100 again - They lose access to the glamours/mounts just as if you had moved from one GC to the other.


This way you could repeat the Feast seasonaly indefinetly, the mounts/glamours would still be exclusive and rare. But.

1st - You would end most forms of unfair competition: trading and multi-alt-account.
2nd - All PvP rewards would be on the hands of ACTIVE players.
3rd - The competition of the Feast would skyrocket: Everyone would have a legit shot every season at ALL the rewards, which one is left to the choice of the winners - But competition would be brutal.

Right now most people just gets discouraged from it because the chances of them being rewarded are slim to non-existent - If the new PvP mode has a similar reward structure it will fail just as the pseudo-esport Feast did.


Final Fantasy XIV is not a community of competitiveness to begin with - The existence of "ladderboard content" is in constant friction with many of us: Specially when their rewards are unaviable for arbitrary reasons like time aviability.
This also applies to content like the Ishgardian Restoration: The restoration should be a recurrent competition, not a one time thing only.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

Some Feast winners will argue that releasing those would diminish the value of the rewards.
To what i replay: Everything in this game faces such decay - Why should PvP be diferent?

And i've proposed before, not even just releasing them to be exchanged for easy wolf marks or long grinding achievements.

But just reward a tradable token at the end of each season, this would allow you to pick a particular reward (be it mounts or armor sets) and them to be usable for a set time for the duration of the next season - If the person doesn't manage to get into the top 100 again - They lose access to the glamours/mounts just as if you had moved from one GC to the other.


This way you could repeat the Feast seasonaly indefinetly, the mounts/glamours would still be exclusive and rare. But.

1st - You would end most forms of unfair competition: trading and multi-alt-account.
2nd - All PvP rewards would be on the hands of ACTIVE players.
3rd - The competition of the Feast would skyrocket: Everyone would have a legit shot every season at ALL the rewards, which one is left to the choice of the winners - But competition would be brutal.

Right now most people just gets discouraged from it because the chances of them being rewarded are slim to non-existent - If the new PvP mode has a similar reward structure it will fail just as the pseudo-esport Feast did.


Final Fantasy XIV is not a community of competitiveness to begin with - The existence of "ladderboard content" is in constant friction with many of us: Specially when their rewards are unaviable for arbitrary reasons like time aviability.
This also applies to content like the Ishgardian Restoration: The restoration should be a recurrent competition, not a one time thing only.

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This is probably the one thing we will ever agree on lol.

It just annoys me that so much effort went into this design, only for it to never be seen or used by the vast, VAST majority of players.
More people complete Ultimates, and yet there's only three versions of those weapons, but there's so many different Feast rewards, which come and go like nothing.
Even if it remained a Feast only reward, but was rereleased each season as a recolour. So at least you could strive to gain a version of it yourself by achieving the same thing. Or if there was a recoloured version available to buy with Wolf Marks, while the Feast reward version was dyeable.

yeah no. prize rewards from competitions and such should remain exclusive.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

yeah no. prize rewards from competitions and such should remain exclusive.

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And The Feast remain to be a joke.
A piece of content that a handful play.
A waste of time and resources.
And a competition about who has more free time to throw matches into the duty finder.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Europe has 2 data centers because of Brexit. So it's actually 4 and 5. Nice try though.

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Wow, you'll count two for Europe, but not three for Japan? It's obvious you made a mistake and you just can't admit it.

I'm more concerned that only one new vendor pvp set was created for ShadowBringers. The top PVP enthusiasts deserve to have exclusive rewards doled out to them.

It's just... Can I buy some new armor sets with the Wolf Marks I have had capped for the past two years?

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Originally Posted by Riastrad

I'm more concerned that only one new vendor pvp set was created for ShadowBringers. The top PVP enthusiasts deserve to have exclusive rewards doled out to them.

It's just... Can I buy some new armor sets with the Wolf Marks I have had capped for the past two years?

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Yeah, one new set (and one without weapons to complement them) was pretty...pathetic. I'm hoping they do better with that in Endwalker. New glamours are honestly the only thing that actually gets me to PvP nowadays. Don't think I've actually taken part since 5.1 maybe?

Release undyeable variants via achievement rewards.

Boom.

I deserve the hunt mark and mentor mounts despite never touching either of those systems

checkmate atheists

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Don't you DARE call me Karen.

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Let me grab the popcorn.

On topic - Is this a feast season reward or something? I like the look of the set but there needs to be incentives to do pvp, although i wish it was rewarded more generously but that's me.

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Originally Posted by Venandi

Europe has 2 data centers because of Brexit. So it's actually 4 and 5. Nice try though.

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Oh really? Damn, I still can only select Chaos and Light. Must be a secret invite.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

I deserve the hunt mark and mentor mounts despite never touching either of those systems

checkmate atheists

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What? Are they removing hunts?

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Originally Posted by Arua

I hope the PvP rework in Endwalker will change this.
It's really a waste of ressource to make theses just for a few hundred.

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We can only hope.

Was going through glamour items earlier, and noticed this very cool armour that would've looked perfect on my Paladin..
..turns out it was some old(er) PvP armour, which isn't even available anymore. Literally never seen anybody use it in-game.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Oh really? Damn, I still can only select Chaos and Light. Must be a secret invite.

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You have to speak to the manager to get an invite.

Just play Feast for that rewards. Easy solution, Karen
*laugh in Shadowcleaver set*

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

You have to speak to the manager to get an invite.

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Oh :/
But I don't know who's the manager.

OP, can you assist?