The game should have alcohol

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

No, drugs are cringe

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Screw you, give me Somnus.

I seen people been murder, I seen men kidnap women wanting to be used to raise moral for the troops. I seen, monsters eat people, and people turn into them.


BUT ALCOHOL IS CROSSING A LINE?!

I wouldn't mind it as an optonal rp thing that blurs the screen etc like in WoW.

I would not want bosses that inflict it upon characters though. It should be entirely opt in by using a flavor item for RP, not something other players or bosses can do TO your character.

It should, sure, but I'll bet it can't. They trade the alcohol for a bit more sexuality and still keep the "T" rating. We all see the list when we login; I know alcohol is there but that's just because of the presence of alcohol (bars and the like). If player-consumed alcohol were added to that ESRB list, I doubt the game could still come away with a Teen rating.

I have no idea if or how games are rated in other countries, but I'd guess that either the situation is similar to ours in that the addition of player-consumed alcohol would force a ratings change ... or that the NA market is significant enough that an NA ratings change to "M" would cramp their style.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I wouldn't mind it as an optonal rp thing that blurs the screen etc like in WoW.

I would not want bosses that inflict it upon characters though. It should be entirely opt in by using a flavor item for RP, not something other players or bosses can do TO your character.

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There's already mechanics that revolve around mind control and forced movement, though. So it'd be in line with what exists already.

Fairly sure that alcohol exists in game. Equally sure that the WoL is, somehow, immune to its intoxicating effects.

No a good idea. The alcohol culture is as bad as tobacco culture. While censor the content is not the way neither (there are drunk characters in game and alcohol) I do not thing is a good idea let the player participate on it. i wish this whole alcohol culture get away, but I guess humanity in general is too attached to intoxicate themselves, since millenniums ago.

I like how it is now. Not censored, but not promoted neither.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Why do you think it should not be the case?

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Same reason people are against a smoking emote. People are weird about vices. Think much of it boils largely because virtue signaling has become such the norm of as late people show their angst and disdain for vices as a means to show their quality of character to online strangers because that is the only venue where their voice can be heard.

Largely because many do not care IRL. This is just my own headcanon though based around my own personal experience and interactions with others.

I am all for a alcohol and smoking emote.

I couldn't tank nearly as well sober.
/toast

Alcohol is in the game though, we have emotes and it features in many quests, housing items, and custcenes.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Uh...the literal giant zone that’s a huge casino. Which includes betting on chocobo racing,spending money on mini games, gambling your money away on scratch offs etc etc.

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The Gold Saucer is the idea of a casino. Gameplay wise there's very little that could be considered actual gambling. You can't bet on chocobo races, it's impossible to lose MGP on the cactpot, etc. There isn't even a way to convert MGP back into gil.

It is almost identical to the way the bars and inns exude the idea of bars and drinking without any actual alcohol involved.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Alcohol is in the game though, we have emotes and it features in many quests, housing items, and custcenes.

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Maybe the vibe that it's not a game feature because it's not in a sense action-able, by that I mean I could emote drink something, heck I could drink something with a fermented description, but none of it is going to give a sense of actually drinking (at least given the context that I'm used to more tactile response to such action and now it feels 'empty', therefore 'not drinking' only pantomiming it). It's not like WoW is the only one here, since it's very common, and fairly popular, but drinking often would give a buzzed effect - blurry vision, etc. Stocking taverns and inns with 'action-able' drink I think would change the perspective massively.

One might argue on the word action-able and I'm thinking of a better name lol, but that's the issue in general I feel with FFXIV roleplay elements is they're not always 'not there' but certainly frequently there is a lack of tangibility to the "action". Do.. something... Show me what would happen. IF I've boots that say they've got rockets strapped to them.. Give.. Me.. The Rocket!.. lol. Or more in FFXIV sense, if I've a shield that is a lantern then make it a light source. Subtle things like plopping a campfire gives you warmth buff, or adds some function that adds a general sense of 'I've got a camp fire going' (restoration, buff, cooking, whatever), that adds an element of traction to the action that some games do well but imo FFXIV does not really (comment on a specific thing, not FFXIV as a whole, which is good). Like to me, going into jobs, Dragoon takes more fall damage than Ninja, equal to other jobs, it's just a big LOL? Where that extra step of traction was just not taken, for whatever reason. They're minor details, one much rather, if given only one (or false choice fallacy), would choose better gameplay over tiny details, but I do miss the tiny details in some situations where it's like "...hmm.. rubbing my fingers together and I feel nothing, where's the friction on my finger tips and little ridges".

Feels good, imo, when there is effort to put traction, friction, into the little things (aiming for fun things particularly, less so if it's simply to be painful lol).

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

How is this any different from gambling? Which is promoted in game. Heavily in fact. Other players shouldn’t have to go without something [...] that’s sad but to exclude it simply because of that minority is a bit messed up when they’ve already promoted gambling.

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Gambling is also not something that should be put in a positive light.

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Originally Posted by ForctyusGold

there is nothing wrong about alcohol when youre drinking in small portions,

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Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

The Gold Saucer is the idea of a casino. Gameplay wise there's very little that could be considered actual gambling. You can't bet on chocobo races, it's impossible to lose MGP on the cactpot, etc. There isn't even a way to convert MGP back into gil.

It is almost identical to the way the bars and inns exude the idea of bars and drinking without any actual alcohol involved.

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Doesn’t disregard the fact there’s literally npcs everywhere talking about the money they’ve lost and spent. If we’re going to bring up the issue of “alcoholics could get triggered,” then you better bring up the issue of gambling. It’s just so weird to me that that’s people’s issue with it. When we have far darker and triggering themes such as literally the first dungeon where women are being enslaved to satisfy pirates lmao.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

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Just to play a slant of devils advocate we could be doing this about the common diet so high in sugars (or carbs, the quantity many eat is not necessary and is mostly a result of pleasure, culture issues, and stress management). The common diet is truly slowly killing many people, too large of a weight is becoming more and more common- people are straining their body significantly and greatly shortening both the general length of their lives and quality of that length.

Not that it should matter, but said by a large guy (6'1'' 260lb) - not a skinny person looking down on everyone lol.

There are many foods in FFXIV could fall under "purely for pleasure' as it's relatively non-valuable for the body to consume. Certainly you can do things to lessen the issue, eat a bunch of junk food but you're an Olympic power athlete.. well.. fine.. But your body in occasional quantities could do that to alcohol too (obviously frequently and in large quantities your body would be giving up, but same to 'junk food').

Which isn't to say ban all food lol, that'd be silly, but no alcohol imo is along the lines of "no junk food in FFXIV". Ban the Twinkies! lol

While vices are important to be managed or they can go all sorts of wrong... I think, at least currently, vices are very much a natural part of our lives that we take part in at all ages (junk for for kids, not saying lets get kids smoking lol).

Also imo there are some very tasty drinks, and some very very .. non-tasty drinks. You just probably didn't give many a try because you're already with a predisposed negative outlook on the idea (which is fine), but to say the variety of flavors in drinks is absolutely insane. I've a plum wine right now that is sweeter than most soda and you can't really taste the alcohol but you feel it internally lol. Personally I do limit drinking because I don't fancy the idea of being drunk, or causing severe stress to my body (am trying to be less weighty too :P), but all in good time.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Gambling is also not something that should be put in a positive light.

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By what metric or standard? I never understood just because other people lack self control does means that a certain action should be viewed with an inherent negative stimga.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Maybe the vibe that it's not a game feature because it's not in a sense action-able, by that I mean I could emote drink something, heck I could drink something with a fermented description, but none of it is going to give a sense of actually drinking (at least given the context that I'm used to more tactile response to such action and now it feels 'empty', therefore 'not drinking' only pantomiming it). It's not like WoW is the only one here, since it's very common, and fairly popular, but drinking often would give a buzzed effect - blurry vision, etc. Stocking taverns and inns with 'action-able' drink I think would change the perspective massively.

One might argue on the word action-able and I'm thinking of a better name lol, but that's the issue in general I feel with FFXIV roleplay elements is they're not always 'not there' but certainly frequently there is a lack of tangibility to the "action". Do.. something... Show me what would happen. IF I've boots that say they've got rockets strapped to them.. Give.. Me.. The Rocket!.. lol. Or more in FFXIV sense, if I've a shield that is a lantern then make it a light source. Subtle things like plopping a campfire gives you warmth buff, or adds some function that adds a general sense of 'I've got a camp fire going' (restoration, buff, cooking, whatever), that adds an element of traction to the action that some games do well but imo FFXIV does not really (comment on a specific thing, not FFXIV as a whole, which is good). Like to me, going into jobs, Dragoon takes more fall damage than Ninja, equal to other jobs, it's just a big LOL? Where that extra step of traction was just not taken, for whatever reason. They're minor details, one much rather, if given only one (or false choice fallacy), would choose better gameplay over tiny details, but I do miss the tiny details in some situations where it's like "...hmm.. rubbing my fingers together and I feel nothing, where's the friction on my finger tips and little ridges".

Feels good, imo, when there is effort to put traction, friction, into the little things (aiming for fun things particularly, less so if it's simply to be painful lol).

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I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.

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Originally Posted by Awha

By what metric or standard? I never understood just because other people lack self control does means that a certain action should be viewed with an inherent negative stimga.

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Gambling is extremely addictive and harmful to many millions of people. Having know both drug addicts and gambling addicts I would argue gambling is much worse. Simply because it's legal, advertised everywhere and half the population don't seem to realize how hard it grips some people.

Sounds like a waste of development time. Just go RP instead.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.



Gambling is extremely addictive and harmful to many millions of people. Having know both drug addicts and gambling addicts I would argue gambling is much worse. Simply because it's legal, advertised everywhere and half the population don't seem to realize how hard it grips some people.

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Once again does not answer the question, why just because some people do not understand self control should we view the practice of drinking and gambling as inherently negative?

Trust me I have seen the depths people go through when it comes to gambling my father was a professional gambler (worked on Wallstreet as a broker and hedge fund manger) despite he countless pleas and warnings that never invest what you are not comfortable with losing many friends and family members lost everything gambling on the market because they did not take the time to understand the game they were playing or have addictive personalities.

I am sorry if people have addictive personalities or do not take the time to understand the risks and rules associated with the whatever means of gambling they choose that is 100% on them. If some parent does not monitor their child's habits with the games they play that is also on them CC offer many alerts and tools regarding spending people should use them.

In short just because some people are impacted negatively by their actions does not mean they are inherently wrong. They do provide people with great enjoyment, happiness, and sometimes wealth.

My FC house is a speakeasy vibe and it's got ale taps....

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Just to play a slant of devils advocate we could be doing this about the common diet so high in sugars (or carbs, the quantity many eat is not necessary and is mostly a result of pleasure, culture issues, and stress management). The common diet is truly slowly killing many people, too large of a weight is becoming more and more common- people are straining their body significantly and greatly shortening both the general length of their lives and quality of that length.

Not that it should matter, but said by a large guy (6'1'' 260lb) - not a skinny person looking down on everyone lol.

There are many foods in FFXIV could fall under "purely for pleasure' as it's relatively non-valuable for the body to consume. Certainly you can do things to lessen the issue, eat a bunch of junk food but you're an Olympic power athlete.. well.. fine.. But your body in occasional quantities could do that to alcohol too (obviously frequently and in large quantities your body would be giving up, but same to 'junk food').

Which isn't to say ban all food lol, that'd be silly, but no alcohol imo is along the lines of "no junk food in FFXIV". Ban the Twinkies! lol

While vices are important to be managed or they can go all sorts of wrong... I think, at least currently, vices are very much a natural part of our lives that we take part in at all ages (junk for for kids, not saying lets get kids smoking lol).

Also imo there are some very tasty drinks, and some very very .. non-tasty drinks. You just probably didn't give many a try because you're already with a predisposed negative outlook on the idea (which is fine), but to say the variety of flavors in drinks is absolutely insane. I've a plum wine right now that is sweeter than most soda and you can't really taste the alcohol but you feel it internally lol. Personally I do limit drinking because I don't fancy the idea of being drunk, or causing severe stress to my body (am trying to be less weighty too :P), but all in good time.

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People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

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I have news for you kiddo. Everything you eat, drink and breathe is bad for you. Tap water is full of metals, hormones, herbicides and chloramines. Fruit is covered in pesticides, fish is full of mercury, most packaged food/drink has BPA in it, most rice contains arsenic, everything has too much sugar in it and over time, your body accumulates so many toxins and heavy metals from just breathing and living in urban environments that most human carcasses would be refused entry to a landfill site on the grounds they're toxic waste.

Oh, and if you're lucky enough to be American, your food includes so much mould, insects and excrement, the US government literally mandates how much exactly is allowed before action needs to be taken.

In short, alcohol in moderation isn't really going to do much harm to anyone in the long run. If it makes you feel any better, Earth is due for its own Calamity in the next few years so I really wouldn't worry about minor vices now.

Now I wish MNK skills on EW were based on drunken box

Not sure what the moral panic is for when alcohol and alcohol-related paraphernalia is already in the game right now. Plus, alcohol is already mentioned on the ESRB rating for the game so it shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

That said, I'm also not sure what a "drunk" effect or a specifically designated bar will accomplish that wax paper taped to your monitor and an RP bar can't replicate. I'd rather the adventurer guilds not be filled with dozens of people being dumb in shout chat any more than the cities have already.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

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Here is the thing couldn't we say that excess sugar and animal product consumption also leads to increased all cause mortality compared to those that do not consume such things. Being born into a poor family has an increased all cause mortality and also leads to an increase dependency on governments aid which is in fact paid for through tax dollars.

Should we bar low income families from having children cause statistically they have poor outcomes in terms of health, mortality and economically.

But it does? Or you just want the effects of it like blurry vision and puking?

eorzevas’ uniqty iss forged on falsehoodms. imts citey-states are bumilt mon deceit, and its faith gis an instrument oef deception. ixt is naugmht bukt a cobwfeb of liqes - too believe ni eozrzea is to believe in nothing. in eorzea, wthe bgeast trikbes oftsen summvon gods to fight in theri isteda. thouhg your comrades onhly rarely respgond win kind which jis s,rteang is wit ont? are teh twelve otherwise “engaged”? i wsa givjen to undaetqsrnd kthey were yoru proteectors. if you tbruly believe them youqr guardians, whoy do ylou not repebat the trick that served myou so well at carteneau, asnd lcal htem odnw?

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

eorzevas’ uniqty iss forged on falsehoodms. imts citey-states are bumilt mon deceit, and its faith gis an instrument oef deception. ixt is naugmht bukt a cobwfeb of liqes - too believe ni eozrzea is to believe in nothing. in eorzea, wthe bgeast trikbes oftsen summvon gods to fight in theri isteda. thouhg your comrades onhly rarely respgond win kind which jis s,rteang is wit ont? are teh twelve otherwise “engaged”? i wsa givjen to undaetqsrnd kthey were yoru proteectors. if you tbruly believe them youqr guardians, whoy do ylou not repebat the trick that served myou so well at carteneau, asnd lcal htem odnw?

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Good ol' drunk Gaius at it again.

Or you could just RP drinking. In RP, my character has a fairly low alcohol tolerance: a single glass of wine is her limit, any more than that and she's sloshed.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Not sure what the moral panic is for when alcohol and alcohol-related paraphernalia is already in the game right now. Plus, alcohol is already mentioned on the ESRB rating for the game so it shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

That said, I'm also not sure what a "drunk" effect or a specifically designated bar will accomplish that wax paper taped to your monitor and an RP bar can't replicate. I'd rather the adventurer guilds not be filled with dozens of people being dumb in shout chat any more than the cities have already.

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I think there's just a certain group of people in any setting who get off on pearl clutching.

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That's an interesting topic, so, let's see... I personally am someone that doesn't drink alcohol anymore but on the past used to do it every weekend when hanging out with friends, but now i don't feel like doing it anymore nor do in enjoy it that much, so, how much do I care if others do? Not much really.

It is true that drunk people overall have a deplorable behavior, but this is something more subjected to each person level of responsibility when doing it and self-control than the alcohol itself being a problem, so, in this case, i don't perceive the alcohol as the main reason of a problem that we may have, so trying to ban the use of alcohol is a bit like pretending to ban certain violent videogames alleygating that it makes some people more violent, and that's just a fallacy.

And although i think Final Fantasy games overall are a bit more PEGI friendly than other games i don't see the use of wine as a mechanism to trigger drunk effects for example as something too much out of place on a game where death, war and mutilation exist.

If people enjoy such things from a roleplay perspective I'll say just let them be as long as they do not interfere on the playable experience of others.

Even so, should we have some awareness about displaying the use of alcohol as something positive and fun that people do to enjoy themselves as if it had nothing bad attached to it? Well, maybe a bit, but this is far from being something as harmful for ourselves as other things equally accepted are, like smoking.

In conclusion, I think is way more important to inculcate a responsible mentality about the use of certain things rather than just pretending they do not exist in real life, so maybe some indirect warning to make people understand that you shouldn't drink too much may be enough.

Or at least this is what i think.

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Originally Posted by JTF-Taru

I have news for you kiddo. Everything you eat, drink and breathe is bad for you. Tap water is full of metals, hormones, herbicides and chloramines. Fruit is covered in pesticides, fish is full of mercury, most packaged food/drink has BPA in it, most rice contains arsenic, everything has too much sugar in it and over time, your body accumulates so many toxins and heavy metals from just breathing and living in urban environments that most human carcasses would be refused entry to a landfill site on the grounds they're toxic waste.

Oh, and if you're lucky enough to be American, your food includes so much mould, insects and excrement, the US government literally mandates how much exactly is allowed before action needs to be taken.

In short, alcohol in moderation isn't really going to do much harm to anyone in the long run. If it makes you feel any better, Earth is due for its own Calamity in the next few years so I really wouldn't worry about minor vices now.

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Environmental factors impacting your health negatively don't nullify the damage alcohol can do, things only add up. To me your post sounds like this: "I am already getting sick from so many things, why not get sicker in the one way I enjoy doing"

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Originally Posted by Awha

Here is the thing couldn't we say that excess sugar and animal product consumption also leads to increased all cause mortality compared to those that do not consume such things. Being born into a poor family has an increased all cause mortality and also leads to an increase dependency on governments aid which is in fact paid for through tax dollars.

Should we bar low income families from having children cause statistically they have poor outcomes in terms of health, mortality and economically.

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No, we shouldn't. People can drink all they want. Just don't think that alcohol in moderation is not harmful. That's a lie. It will only lead to regrets. Embrace the fact that X type of lifestyle will most likely lead to you having Y type of health. Don't be like "ahh, w/e, everything is fine" until it is not fine and it's too late to make things the way you really want them to be.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.

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Cheers :)

These things would be small details, those things that like.. one person may be halted and it just strikes them a way that they remember for whatever reason and for another it's massively forgettable lol. I may have a general enamoration with small details coming of the larger ones like a fractal.. DEEPER, dream with a dre-- XD. But I wouldn't expect it would be important to everyone. I do think when the gameplay itself is very good, that then having a minor sense of fractaling (small detail appreciation) design makes a game go easier from "amazing gameplay" to a sort of lost sense of self a deep time altering immersion. (Naturally if you had to choose one you'd pick amazing gameplay first, but one, I think, would take both if they could lol).

Sometimes though I comment not for now, but the thought maybe they'll consider such concepts in the future, MMO in 2077 or whatever ;)

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

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There was a particular line in my post making a distinction to junk food. If the take away was "food is a requirement" then you missed the point. Food, of some sort yes, Cake? No. You don't need cake. You don't need beer. You might say but if you were calorie deficit and you need energy and there was only a cake, so you need cake! Aha! Lawy-- no, because then beer would count lol. Or we could go with something far far more benign like Kombucha or Kefir, which verge into far more normal drinks with some health benefits.

Also on the whole compelled to eat aspect I'd say that's largely exaggerated, with some people being that way but that's an extreme disorder. At least if we're both reading the same thing which was it sounded like large people are compelled to eat, where in general I think its more of a want to eat, and it's easy to eat, and it's VERY easy to eat unhealthy - this makes up most people I'd say. It's practically encouraged to eat poorly as it is often the cheapest options, most advertisements (and sales pitch lies too "like this crazy sugary cereal is going to make you big and strong, ignore the type 2 diabetes"), being large is hardly an achievement of mental disorder in this day and age, just pick the wrong foods and not work out enough, you don't need to "overeat" - eating unhealthy thus affecting the body is a short and easy trip that doesn't require binging.

So not "food is needed" the point, as I agree if you go generic that's the take away, but I didn't I went specifically to the unhealthy foods - if you're to say that junk food also shouldn't be represented in FFXIV then at least it's consistent, no unhealthy drinks, even if there was moderation, no unhealthy food, but I was personally imaging people would be like "but but that unhealthy food is delicious it gets a pass" and then I'd call that out for logical inconsistency. Alcohol can cause problems but so can eating poorly, both of them can be severe life altering (and ending) problems.

There's alcohol everywhere what are you talking about?
What we actually need now is smoking, Koh Rabntah has been in the game since 2.5 and they still won't give us her emote.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Environmental factors impacting your health negatively don't nullify the damage alcohol can do, things only add up. To me your post sounds like this: "I am already getting sick from so many things, why not get sicker in the one way I enjoy doing"




No, we shouldn't. People can drink all they want. Just don't think that alcohol in moderation is not harmful. That's a lie. It will only lead to regrets. Embrace the fact that X type of lifestyle will most likely lead to you having Y type of health. Don't be like "ahh, w/e, everything is fine" until it is not fine and it's too late to make things the way you really want them to be.

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Thing is I do not think anyone has said doing x vice has no consequence.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

There's alcohol everywhere what are you talking about?
What we actually need now is smoking, Koh Rabntah has been in the game since 2.5 and they still won't give us her emote.

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I have been requesting a smoking emote for ages so I agree 100% with your suggestion.

FFXIV: No smoking or alcohol, it could be seen as promoting bad habits to younger players.

WoW: Have a dungeon full of living beer! Enjoy Brewfest! Still no smoking, though.

Yeah, I just don't see the point.

If we're talking battle mechanics, we already have a bunch that essentially simulate the effects of being drunk (forced marches, misdirection, charm, even the Old status from Shisui, etc.). At most they could label something we already have or a combination of them as "drunk" or whatever. No need for anything new.

If we're talking RP, we already have a drinking emote and, well, our own imaginations. If you want to RP drinking or being drunk then just do it, nothing is stopping you. Heck, if you really want to go the extra mile (and get the RL visual effects too!) have a few while you're playing.

So if we're really just talking about not having consumable food/drink items that directly reference being liquor then, yeah, that's just kind of sad. I mean, you can already pretend that the orange juice is really a screwdriver if you truly want it to be. Otherwise you kind of come off like a 13 year old who just wants to see their character drink a beer in game because you think it makes them look cool.

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

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Sugar is also poison.

They sell it to everyone and the industry funded studies to blame all our dietary woes on fat.

Artificial sweetener is worse. It tricks your body into thinking it's getting sugar, but it's not. It's why you drink tons of diet soda. Bloody ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Thing is I do not think anyone has said doing x vice has no consequence.

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Some people did say that:

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Originally Posted by ForctyusGold

there is nothing wrong about alcohol when youre drinking in small portions

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