Ya I have, many of the things he does is a act or persona (maybe?) for streaming. My stance is that, do we really want to sink that low because the guy acts like a moron? Like, it just feels wrong to me to get so offended.
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It wasn't a "dislike". He got caught blatantly lying multiple times then called the game trash. If he had just said the story for ARR was slow so he wanted to boost probably most of the FF14 could sympathize with him.
The problem is when he boosted and had no clue what he was doing, became extremely toxic blaming his healer then used his platform to trash the MMO.
No, I get annoyed when people try to make an opinion about something and try to do it under the guise of he was making informed opinions or assertions to someone with a fairly large following, especially when his reviews will help to inform people other than himself about the game. This is why it is a problem. It's not even down to this game, but me making a general statement that it's a complete and apparent disingenuous thing to do. He didn't go into this with a clear or open mindset, he went in there with genuine and deliberate intent to try and dump on the game.
It has little to do with the game itself and more on the basis of principle, is that difficult for you to understand? This has nothing to do with being part of a cult or trying to be a zealot. He's free to have his opinion to a large audience provided he's not trying to push himself across as though he's making a well-informed opinion, or at least an opinion formed on solid experience - Especially when in reality it is anything but informed. - Don't try and critique something when you have little idea or experience with what exactly it is you're critiquing.
While I find it okay to discredit his claims of things he has not really experienced in the game, I do agree that anything beyond that is unnecessary because it only adds fuel to the flame and falls back to the FFXIV community. This makes us look bad.
But Asmon already said it and I agree with that statement. The vocal community that goes out of their way to attack someone are the absolute minority, however they do make it appear like they speak for everyone which is just not true.
I can see how he is fun to watch raging and claiming to be the best at everything he does. There are people that enjoy it and he has been successful with that persona. He didn't give the game a real chance it's not his cup of tea and he should've just quit.
It was his dicision however to make a dishonest review about things he knows nothing about even his mods told him to just leave it alone.
I'm cynic enough to think the whole drama is staged/intentional. Had he simply say 'I don't like FF enough to keep playing it' nobody would've cared, because even many of us who like the game had that same first impression once or even a few times before getting hooked up onto it, but he just did the very thing people were afraid Asmon would do - get on the hype train, boost, get carried, and trash on the game which he literally skipped 90% of its content as if it were objectively bad - that is what set people off, and of course WoW stans just go xIv PlAyERs CaN't TaKe CrITiCisM! because they're so used to hating their own game that they literally can't comprehend why people get upset of such blatantly disingenuous claims.
The dude became what we thought Asmondgold was going to be: he failed to learn a class properly and boosted it, skipped story, then expects to know how to do higher end content.
I have had friends before who tried XIV, didn't like it. No problem, game isn't for everyone's tastes. But they at least tried to learn their job.
Is this the guy who bought the boosts and then complained or said the story sucks and he sucks at the game in general? Sounds like some sore loser to me.
We've always had bad players. Boosting didn't change anything because someone unwilling to learn at 40 isn't going to magically care at 80. Plenty of people have boosted and learned how to play properly. They simply weren't interested in the story. In fact, some of the most prominent FFXIV streamers skip every cut scene.
Boosts are basically paying SQEX do you aren't pressing escape half a billion times.
I should add that I'm really tired of people putting streamer opinions on a high pedestal like they are some sort of god, when they are nothing more then someone who gets paid to play games. While I appreciate Asmond getting more people interested, people like this dude come along, play a shite persona, and people take their word as gold.
First off: literally who?
Second: I'm guessing this is some kind of new drama happening that I somehow missed even though I follow the reddit and some twitter stuff. From what I saw in the video OP linked (completely unnecessary and probably just to stir the pot) the guy absolutely deserves to be mocked for his behavior and performance, though not harassed. That's the name of the game with social media platforms and I highly doubt he's hurting from mean words on the internet considering his career.
Boosting is fine, its probably more so this gentleman did stand in bad.
Streamers, atleast the good ones, don't get paid to just play video games. Someone made a pretty interesting video on this the other day. People don't want to sit and watch someone else play video games, for the most part. Your good streamers know this. The good streamers, like Asmon, are entertainers first and foremost. They are not sitting there just playing a video game. The game is just a backdrop, a set piece. They are holding conversations, sometimes multiple conversations, most of the time not about the game they are playing. They are engaging their chat/viewers/audience. A lot of work goes into it, it is not an easy thing to pull off.
I think more companies should embrace streamers. They can be easy advertising for your product. Look at the effect Asmon has had on FFXIV. Now I know people will say, we have always had new players flowing into the, which is true, but not on the scale since Asmon has started to stream the game. FFXIV had the most viewership on twitch during his streams. The game has been selling out since his streams, servers locking down all together since his streams. It is not surprising that on Google trends, world of warcraft was beating FFXIV till July 3rd. Asmons first stream was on July third and FFXIV has increased over WoW on Google trends every day he streams. That is the power of a streamer like Asmon. So no they do not get paid just to play games. They are entertainers. They can make or break a game, look at among us. It was out for a few years, it didn't finally get big till streamers started streaming it.
look, all props to streamers for WHAT HEY ARE... entertainers. no different than people who are in movies or on tv.
truth is, everyone oo's and ahhh's or in some cases as we see on the forums, basically fanboi's over them and must need a towel for the drool puddle. but the people who have supported the game for YEARS deserve more recognition and credit than a streamer does. yes, they are raising awareness of the game, thats awesome. bringing in new players, thats awesome too. that might offset years of ragging on the game and the damage THAT caused.
all I am saying is all the praise for what they "do" is misplaced and should be more freely given to those who have enjoyed, and supported the game for far longer and with far less recognition. this fascination lately with many streamers I have never even heard of seems like an unhealthy obsession
I agree…mostly but I think that sometimes you can’t stand chill and idle when you see or hear some nonsense.
I mean, it’s legit if you don’t like a game or if you find something particular you don’t like about that game, may be the story, the gameplay, contents or what else. It’s right as long as you bring some logical arguments.
Asmon, for example, before starting play XIV said that he would not find it as funny as WoW because of their different styles. He thought he was an WoW player and XIV simply was not to his liking. That’s logical.
I played once WoW and I find it not to my liking. I don’t care playing it. I don’t care try it to complain.
But this guy…this Quin he tried XIV only to complain about everything of the game…without even try it for real. Like the one who complained about how that fountain could work…in a fantasy game. This is idiocy. Pure stupidity to catch some views.
I don’t go around the web and say WOW it’s a shit bc I don’t like cowboy.
Do I have to try to have a chat with a brainless like him? I’m not a saint, no one is.. As long as you can argument your thoughts we can discuss about everything., but if you can’t and the only words that spread out your mouth are foolishness, the only right and appropriate answer is: ok, you are a stupid. We are done.
It’s not attacking, is responding at the right tone…
Some ppl lives on this, btw…in fact you are making them a favour.
Anyway, I agree that sometime XiV’s community tend to be too rude about some matters…like story skips or boosting e.g.
All I know is my bird feed started spamming some rando's complaint on loving FFXIV 's Waifus but the story from 1-30 was trash. The game was too easy, boosted Sam and gets mocked for wiping to trash mobs and first boss multiple times while not adjusting or learning about the class.
Not sure why it was across my feed when it should be more art and artist, but yeah. Not my cup of tea, though, I did enjoy sipping from that cup when it did appear.
Yep, exactly, and I would feel this way if someone said they didn't like literally anything else without giving something a proper go. I'm not going to attack the guy, but I will say that he went about FF XIV the wrong way. In FF XIV, it's more about the journey than the destination. If someone doesn't like the game, it's fine. Heck, they are also free to give whatever feedback they wish. But they should at least know what they are talking about first.
Yeah, streamer opinions hold little weight for me. Still, sometimes they make some good points.
Totally agreed.
The gameplay is pretty much one-hundred percent about individual accountability (conversely, WoW's gameplay is mostly about a group's collective reactions to things like damage spikes, boss movements, etc.). FFXIV asks a lot more of individual players to not trigger devastating (but also extremely telegraphed) mechanical counters - to, at a very essential level, 'know the fights.' If you don't do your homework going into these encounters and then wipe your team, that says more about you as a gamer than it does about the game itself.
Don't know the streamer, didn't click the link and just read and from what I gather there's not much to discuss here that hasn't already been said.
A. Streamer boosted and skipped. Which is fine, but at that point you no longer have any position to make claims about the story. End of discussion. If it's not your thing then it's not your thing, but you get no place to comment regarding it's quality.
B. Streamer didn't learn the fights and healer meme'd. Walk the walk to earn the right to talk the talk. By the sounds of it he put forth no effort and expected to walk out with an easy clear.. he was wrong.
C. Streamer didn't learn his Job; Sam if I read right, which (IMO) is pretty straight forward to pickup and play, but takes bit of forethought to master. But again, by the sounds of it he didn't take the time to learn it, accompanied by the fact he didn't learn the fights.
So I'll ask, why are we talking about the guy? He didn't bother to learn the game and then tried to offer his takes on the game on his general lack of knowing. Why continue giving attention to someone that wants to act disingenuously?
Quinn's an example of why level-skips should only be for returning players only.
Even though I do wish the MSQ was optional, I get plenty of normal dungeons through the roulette.
Funny video, I play a lot of PoE (Path of Exile) which is what he's known for and there he's the same but he actually does well enough there but when it comes to MMOs well, he claimed he's a multi rank 1 gladiator when he literally bought a carry and got boosted in Shadowlands for Sinful Gladiator mount + title. So I'm not surprised that he couldn't get past Delta Savage, but I hope people don't take his "experience" if I can even call it that at face value.
Aw.. That's a bit embarrassing lol. He definitely did that to himself and then took it out on the game. You would think someone who makes a living on games would realize some of the pitfalls of doing a thing like that, and then researched before hand or at least been expecting to be mopped on the ground, so that's also unfortunate.
Such like this though is why I think boost concept should be changed / augmented. Foreword I quite like the story, so don't take that angle with me lol, but in threads discussing the sheer length to catch up and the issue of desired entry vs actual entry I had suggested SE make alternate starting (doesn't drop one off at end game, but clearly farther in, and with a tighter cadence, like one might get some level 30 content right away, a few scenes later you might be boosted to 50 while you continue to learn, etc). An opportunity to get players into the game faster, like those who have previous mmo knowledge or just want something with a bit more octane / need help being invested before the slow burn disinvests them. Here you could over the course of 2 or so hours (maybe a bit more given some good story potential) quickly introduce combat, key characters, and a vague outline, and then push them into the MSQ with side quests to direct them to other neat features of the game (like heading to the golden saucer, or unlocking glamour). While, minus some of the really lull moments, enjoyed ARR, but I did have a few gripes (most seem to be corrected already), and generally think they 'could' make something more hook like (also starting in a main city I feel takes away potential a sense of progressive scale and adventure of discovering your first big city), I also see people viewing a recent expansion advertisement and going WOOOOWW and then hearing it'll take them about 350 hours to get to that point as potentially problematic (some are going to go "OH MY, for $20, $60, w.e, I get 350 hours of story?!?!" while others are going to be "I was interested in EW, I was not interested in ARR, if I was interested in ARR I would have already purchased ARR, no thanks I'm out". Also at this point I'd say I'm not for disconnecting the story from progression, like a dungeon, or what have you, just that I think inlets, highway on ramps, especially perhaps as we hit 7.0, is going to be a smart idea and in general worlds better than allowing players to just boost and flounder as this guy did.
Also given the New Game+ system, you could have these new starts be potentially side quests for current players too. Maybe put something behind them to make it enticing (and of course these would be tightly designed contents in general, so they would be some of the better examples of gameplay / story). So it's not really even slightly wasted resources, everyone gets new content, and those who needed it and shouldn't be using boosts or are not going to touch the game because they were presented "spend $40 + another $20-40" to get to the content you were actually trying to play or else play approximately 3 - 4 times the amount of time required to watch the entirety of friends in order to get where you wanted to be. Also I think then New Game+ comes around again as a smart system because once players are invested they can go invest that time in the history, leave some of the goodies in those quests as well so players are encouraged to go back once they're "sold" (like the fantasia).
Guided boost, imo, way better and should be done at some point. Straight up boosts should be reserved for existing players, not saying I'd restrict it I guess if I had the power to... just that I'd much rather someone be accelerated through by guidance than tossed at the end and pikachu face because it's throwing you to the wolves.
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Why they do this to him like this
Y'all in this thread are embarrassing. Especially when I saw "you go high, I go low", and "some things you just cannot chill"
Like damn you guys have problems LOL
Personally I just find it funny that there are people who will defend streamers actions, but if you try to defend SE for anything "stop being a white knight, stop making the game worse"
Plus, there's a difference between not liking a thing (I don't like many things) and making uninformed opinions and selling them as fact (anti vaxxers anyone?)
100's of people boost a day probably and literally noone cares. What people care about is him lying and getting caught. Using his platform to lie to thousands of people who will see it then pretending like he was not just doing it for views is why he is getting roasted BY LITERALLY everyone across all genres of games.
This is not just FF players roasting this guy.
Who is Quinn??
The boosted clown who called the people trying to carry his dumb ass *retarded weeb shitters*?
So basically OP- streamed so he could criticize the game.
Then came to the forums and whined that people were criticizing him.
Because he thinks he should be free to give criticism yet immune from getting it?
Piece of advice- if you don't want to hear others opinions, don't give your own. He's free to hate the game, and insult the community as much as he wants... but turning around and crying that the community's giving it to him back is pretty absurd. Like, with the language and treatment of others he's giving- he clearly was looking for a fight.
He's just being a soft skinned hypocrite right now. When someone gives well reasoned, polite and rational feedback whether negative or positive and gets people dunking on them, sure, I think the community can step out of line- but in this case? He came looking for a fight. If someone enters a bar and starts cussing out the biggest guy there then gets laid out- not gonna feel bad for him. If someone comes into a game with the sole intent of dumping on it because they think they can ride the current trending wave- and gets called out, not gonna feel bad for him. He reminds me of modern games journalists that rip apart or praise games when it's clear they've read a synopsis and not played more than an hour of it because they care less about games and more about having a platform to talk about how tolerant they are for loathing x group of people.
There's nothing wrong with being a low skill level boostie like this streamer, there's plenty of room in gaming for players of every skill level... but if you stream, call others names, act like you're god tier when you're sub-sprout, and then declare FFXIV too hard and bad because you can't handle it... well, you're on social media, where people get ripped apart when they've done nothing to deserve it, and you've intentionally gone out of your way to deserve it.
Guy is a PvPer at heart his PvE experience is extremely limited.
Um I don't think people care about criticism. I more care about how the cult acts like they are offended and go on twitter to attack him personally because the guy does not like the game and did not play it right. I'm just like who cares if he did not, or used his platform to spread hate. Like let him, it was fun to watch his video, and watch him play. That is it.