Non-tomestone ways to get to item level 460? Crafting?

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Originally Posted by Imora

And I raided savage in HW, I don't want to again. As I mentioned before, I raid in another game, I don't want to take two that way. Esp considering I don't really have evenings free *to* run.

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I don't think you're understanding. The Eden "raids" are not "raiding". They are not a time commitment to learning to clear difficult fights.

They are basically trials you'll run once or twice for tokens and that will be enough.

You probably only need to clear each battle once for story and you'll have enough to boost your ilevel and get through the rest of your MSQ.

OP, the easiest thing to do is just buy whatever you need to get the ilvl for the dungeon. Yes, maxing crafting is a way to go, but at that point just for armor your time would be better served doing eden for jewelry and Nier or bozja for armor.

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Originally Posted by Imora

No, it's not hard, but i still didn't want to do it.

And I raided savage in HW, I don't want to again. As I mentioned before, I raid in another game, I don't want to take two that way. Esp considering I don't really have evenings free *to* run.

I don't *mind* doing stuff with other players. I'm more concerned with side stuff essentially being required. if Eden wasn't an optional unlockable, then sure, fine. Make it part of the main story. I haven't unlocked *anything* because quite frankly, I don't want to.

I didn't want to tomestone farm. That was my biggest problem. I have a grand total of 2 dungeons that'll give them unlocked right now. -_-

And I'm leveling my trusts to level them. I'm getting the gear for alt jobs. I don't mind it, it's pretty mindless. And is something to do.

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What I mean is it that doing a run or two doesn't take much time, heck doing the cutscenes take longer. I'm not sure how much time you have but doing a roulette run once a day can get you to the tomes you want before Endwalker with barely any effort. You will even get gil in the process and then you can buy the 510 gear on the MB, which will be enough to start you off if you want to take a break (I'd even buy you it myself if I was on your data center)

It's fine, I'll get it sorted. I was hoping to skip Eden.

I can't do 80s dungeon roulette because I don't have them all unlocked nor do I have the gear. I do my other roulettes. Tomes are slow to come by with just those.

Chest and legs and I should be good. I'm 4 item levels off now I think for heroes gauntlet. I don't really want to farm Eden for weapons and I can't unlock Bozja either. Don't want to do Ivalice raids. Alliance raids just iritate me :( i attract The Dumb. Tales for the duty finder thread.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'm more concerned with side stuff essentially being required.

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It's not. The route to gear up without the side stuff is acquiring tomestones through roulettes and trading those for gear.

And as others have said, Eden Normal and Alliance "raids" aren't really raids. They're designed to be puggable. And there are roulettes for both so they stay pretty active.

I just wanna throw in here, as the person that started this thread, that I've since re-evaluated just how much I'm unwilling to tank for strangers, and I will likely just tomestone it out at some point in the future when those stones will be potentially worth more.

I do appreciate all the information as to my options. I think the only real mind boggling element to me that was SO CLOSE BUT SO FAR was that the prior story dungeon loot is literally 5 ilvls short of the minimum for the next story dungeon. They'd have an entirely self contained ecosystem of trusts and blissful absence of tank heckling if not for that odd broken bridge.

That all said, I'm not gonna try to piss into the wind because that's just not efficient. I have always been a big fan of FFXIV's currency options for gaining "good enough is good enough" gear levels for most activities. The roulette is a pretty amazing idea for keeping dungeons relevant and keeping people doing those dungeons. I just... you know how it goes. The first rule of tanking in MMOs is "don't be new on other people's time," and the way I play the game puts me in a perpetual state of newness. Tank specs fit my play style in literally every other aspect of any trinity MMO... except this.

But I'll be ok. Thank you all for the fascinating discussion on where all the options are hiding, I learned a lot in this thread! I'll see you in a few months when WoW inevitably goes stale again. ;)

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

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Weeks to go from 475 to 490 is a huge exaggeration. Seriously. It can be done in a day or two, if not sooner, and for free. I would look into the various gearing options available at endgame, because you are clearly not doing something right if it is taking you so long. Also, it would not cost "millions of gil" to get a high enough boost. Heck, you wouldn't even need to buy all of the crafted pieces.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

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Almost every MMORPG has its end game gear grind as a time filler between content releases. It's become a standard part of the genre and is unlikely to change. It's something you'll have to get used to when playing MMORPGs.

Tomestones are hardly meaningless when they're giving you access to the best gear you're going to get outside of Savage raiding and you're getting a choice of content to do to earn them. You're looking at a grind regardless of what route you choose to go. Grind the RNG drops from Eden's Promise or Tower at Paradigm's Breach (which will also give tomestones). Grind through Save the Queen (which can also give tomestomes) to get augmented Bozjan gear. Grind out the gil (which can also give tomestones if you're doing it via Gliderskin/Zonureskin treasure maps).

SE will no doubt add gear coffers to 5.1-5.5 quests once Endwalker is released as a gear catch up mechanism for new characters just as they have done for past expansion content once a new expansion is released but it's not going to help your character if you already have Paglth'an unlocked.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It's not. The route to gear up without the side stuff is acquiring tomestones through roulettes and trading those for gear.

And as others have said, Eden Normal and Alliance "raids" aren't really raids. They're designed to be puggable. And there are roulettes for both so they stay pretty active.

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Oh i know. They're just full of headaches for me, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Omedon

I just wanna throw in here, as the person that started this thread, that I've since re-evaluated just how much I'm unwilling to tank for strangers, and I will likely just tomestone it out at some point in the future when those stones will be potentially worth more.

I do appreciate all the information as to my options. I think the only real mind boggling element to me that was SO CLOSE BUT SO FAR was that the prior story dungeon loot is literally 5 ilvls short of the minimum for the next story dungeon. They'd have an entirely self contained ecosystem of trusts and blissful absence of tank heckling if not for that odd broken bridge.

That all said, I'm not gonna try to piss into the wind because that's just not efficient. I have always been a big fan of FFXIV's currency options for gaining "good enough is good enough" gear levels for most activities. The roulette is a pretty amazing idea for keeping dungeons relevant and keeping people doing those dungeons. I just... you know how it goes. The first rule of tanking in MMOs is "don't be new on other people's time," and the way I play the game puts me in a perpetual state of newness. Tank specs fit my play style in literally every other aspect of any trinity MMO... except this.

But I'll be ok. Thank you all for the fascinating discussion on where all the options are hiding, I learned a lot in this thread! I'll see you in a few months when WoW inevitably goes stale again. ;)

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I totally feel you on tanking here. I'm a healer main so when I leveled my tanks recently for the amaro I stuck to places I wouldn't screw people up.

MSQ roulette is great for this. You get 100 allegory and 50 revelation right now. And basically you just AoE stuff, maybe use a CD or two, and keep the nasties pointed away from the others. If you're lucky, the other tank will even MT.

Also, you said you don't want to do the Ivalice raids but you can unlock Crystal Tower (level 50) and do Alliance Roulette. It's basically almost exactly the same being a tank in these, except there are three groups and not many places where you have to tank for your group. If you don't unlock anything else, you will always get CT raids. You get the same tomes as MSQ.

These are so faceroll now that you won't be wasting anyone's time. Plus they can be no-stress environments for practicing, which is something I enjoyed.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

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You're a WHM from what I see here and on the lodestone, so you have very fast invites. The left side looks mostly fine, the only thing bringing down your ilvl is the right side which is as easy to fix as it gets.
The cheapest HQ accessories are rings at 90k each on Shiva, less on other servers. Two rings alone would provide a huge boost for 180k which is not exactly a huge investment. That would bring you above 480, the requirement for e9-e12 normal. Doing two or three of them and rolling on all accessory/ belt tokens will give you enough to get to 490+.
Overall time investment would be roughly 1h or less with queue times included if you have already unlocked them.
If not, you'd have to go through e1-e8 first, although with your first timer bonus you'd get tons of tomes for 490 accessories and e5-e8 will also give you token for 480 gear. After unlocking it, it might not even be neccessary to to go for e9 and beyond.
If you don't want to unlock the Eden raids, doing a hunt train will probably give enough Allegory and Revelation to buy a few accessories and with the Exarchic gear, that should be enough. If a S rank train is up, it doesn't even take an hour; all you need is are the aetherytes in all the zones, being able to fly everywhere isn't even neccessary. There are always people willing to ferry. Maybe add an 80s roulette to that and you should be fine.

That's not even close to weeks or millions of gil.
It's perfectly doable in one evening.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hi, i am in the same situation. And i hate such game design that forces me to grind a meaningless meta currency like the tomestones. I have a 475ish item level and it will take weeks to upgrade it to 490 which is needed for Paghlt'an. And grinding millions of Gil that would allow to buy it from the marketboard will also take a very long time.


Seriously, that's very demotivating, imho.




Cheers

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The 510 gear is not "millions of gil".

Hi, i must admit it was not so hard to get the > 490 itemlevel. But it was also relative expensive. I have replaced the weak slots in my gear and it cost me > 600k Gil. I can imagine that a beginner in this game will hit a wall here.


Cheers and thanks.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hi, i must admit it was not so hard to get the > 490 itemlevel. But it was also relative expensive. I have replaced the weak slots in my gear and it cost me > 600k Gil. I can imagine that a beginner in this game will hit a wall here.


Cheers and thanks.

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To be fair a single week of doing the 4 different Eden’s Promise plain-mode series can get you 4 pieces of jewelry. Like 30 minutes of work for the 4 bangles for 510 gear. Admittedly, now I believe there is no more loot limit to eden, so it could be you get even more or less. If you don’t have the 485 to do Eden, spam Nier (2nd tier drops 490 gear).

Doing that enough you will get the tomes to get an easy 485 weapon at bozja.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

I can imagine that a beginner in this game will hit a wall here.

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Only if they also insist on avoiding the side content that also forms part of the game story (to varying degrees, but Eden certainly does) and provides a quick way to catch up.

Plus all your regular daily roulettes are now giving both allegory and revelation tomes, and there's a bonus for every new level 80 duty you complete.

Endgame is designed that you engage with the various content to earn gear, or you pay gil to skip it. If you refuse to do one of those routes, you have to take the other, and the "brick wall" is nowhere near as high if you do the optional content that gives you a ladder.

If you get to endgame early in the cycle it's all you've got to play with for the next few months, but you can still work through the same sequence of doing the content within your current ilevel to get items that boost it higher, and it doesn't take all that long – a few hours, not weeks.

And if you're in the game for the story, it doubly doesn't make sense to avoid side content because the writers have shown that they're not afraid to rely on those stories to flesh out critical plot points from the MSQ. Shadowbringers drew on three different optional raid quest lines and the lead writer for Endwalker stated at Fan Fest that prettymuch every single side story in the game will add to your appreciation of Endwalker, but particularly the Binding Coil and Omega.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

Hi, i must admit it was not so hard to get the > 490 itemlevel. But it was also relative expensive. I have replaced the weak slots in my gear and it cost me > 600k Gil. I can imagine that a beginner in this game will hit a wall here.


Cheers and thanks.

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You had chosen to ignore most of the options you had so the only one left was spending ingame money. The more options you ignore, the harder you're making it for yourself but that's nothing new.
It's like ignoring every sidequest in a single player and then noticing that you're grossly underleveled, undergeared and get steamrolled by a boss. The only reason why single player games don't place hard requirements is because you're the only one affected and might enjoy the challenge.
If you insist on only doing MSQ, then yes, you may have the situation when you return after some time off and have to spend some time catching up through less than efficient means.
Roulettes, hunts, normal raids, alliance raids, crafting, Bozja - it's all there for a reason. And of course SE wants you to also take a peek at optional content. Every game wants you to explore a bit beyond the absolute bare minimum, that's not new.
The min ilvl requirements are not beginner-unfriendly brick walls, they are fairly lenient unless you refused to do pretty much everything you could to pass them. Then you'll have to pay ingame money to skip it.

Well, I'm at 465 or something now and need even more for the next dungeon.

Is there a repeatable grind for tomes that isn't hunts? I'd hoped to finish this msq before Tuesday but that is not going to happen.

Unlocking Bozja and clicking through a few dialogues gives you a 485 weapon. e5-e8 drop token for 480 gear, upgrading belt and ring together with the first step of the relic should let you queue for e9-e12 aswell. You can run them as many times as you want, weekly lockout has already been lifted weeks ago.
Daily roulettes give tomes for upgrading head/ feet. If you still have a first timer bonus for some of the normal raids, it's even faster.
Finishing it before Tuesday shouldn't be difficult at all, upgrading your gear doesn't take longer than 2 evenings max and only if both tomes are close to 0 right now. I'd keep checking prices on the Light DC servers to see if you can grab another cheap 510 piece.

Unlocking Bozja is about two days work for me. I gotta sit through the Ivalice raids, and alliance raids give me migraines.

If you don't want to do hunts, alliance raids and Bozja, that leaves the options already mentioned multiple times by people: roulette/ dungeon spam and Eden, although you didn't seem to like the idea of that one either. And market board if you don't want to spam dungeons with randoms for tomes.

I can only advise you to not ignore everything until the last moment and do some research. Everything everyone said here can easily be figured out ingame or with some research. Other people do the research for you and you keep shooting down the suggestions because none of them appear to be to your liking. That's not a game-proble, it's a you-problem.
You can either stick to that one way you can bear and accept that you will be slower or broaden your horizon a bit and get it done in no time.

I just want to know how I can get gear without playing the game

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Originally Posted by Imora

Well, I'm at 465 or something now and need even more for the next dungeon.

Is there a repeatable grind for tomes that isn't hunts? I'd hoped to finish this msq before Tuesday but that is not going to happen.

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i465 gets you through to the end of patch 5.3, which is a perfectly good place to finish for now.

Id rather finish 5.5 so i don't have to do it when EW releases.

I started the Ivalice stuff, just only did the first one. Dang quests are long. Between it and the msq post Heroes Gauntlet, I've been in cutscene hell since 11 am.

Ah well.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Id rather finish 5.5 so i don't have to do it when EW releases.

I started the Ivalice stuff, just only did the first one. Dang quests are long. Between it and the msq post Heroes Gauntlet, I've been in cutscene hell since 11 am.

Ah well.

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Don't stress on it too much; and I also wouldn't push yourself too hard. It's not a race and well, if you are in a huge hurry to get through it you'll suddenly find there's really nothing to do afterwards. You've got like 5 months til Endwalker- plenty of time to do it in small reasonable chunks.

In fact, I'd suggest doing other stuff on the side as you go- like make sure to do the weekly fashion check thing in Gold Saucer. Once the FFXV event comes back you're gonna need a ton of Manderville coins to buy the flying car and that could potentially be another thing you're suddenly scrambling for with time pressure.

Slow burn is best :D

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Invest in an Exarchic weapon (because weapons are tedious to get other ways), buy some Crystarium tome gear to get you over the line for completing 5.3, then if you only play every so often you might actually want to leave off at the end of 5.3 anyway because it's a clear "season finale".

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Hey I just wanted to revisit this conversation a moment to thank you for this advice, as this is exactly what I did and I am now closing in on a great stopping point before returning to WoW!

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Originally Posted by Omedon

Hey I just wanted to revisit this conversation a moment to thank you for this advice, as this is exactly what I did and I am now closing in on a great stopping point before returning to WoW!

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You're welcome! Enjoy the ending! :)