Another Eastern Mogstation Glam?

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Originally Posted by Laerune

If Moonfaire event doesn't have a new outfit as reward, I am going to be so disappointed.

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I'm expecting a hat

/cries in Hrothgar

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Thank God. This may be a Japanese game, but I'd rather see less of it. We already had an Eastern expansion in Stormblood that includes plenty of Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian inspired armor sets. I don't see any problem here.

Exactly what I am saying! We were already experiencing dying, cut, delayed content, then they release two limited races, and then when they say they supposedly can't add any new races they add male viera, and promise female hrothgar that (at most) I'd say two people would play! So even less, than we would have gotten overall!

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They worked on Male Viera/Fem Hroth between other tasks when they had down time at work. Nothing was lost or cut because of the new races. Yoshi-P didn't even want them working on it; it was a project they took on themselves, like flying in ARR zones. I wish people would stop screaming "MALE VIERA/FEM HROTH MEANS WE'RE LOSING MORE CONTENT WAHHHHHHHH" because it's not true.

I think my biggest thing is.. I would 100% drop 18$ for a outfit. If it was account wide. I have 24$ mounts and they are account wide so ... why is a 18$ or 7$ emote..?

My other thought.. Yes I know they have to have cash shops for the other versions of the game. But at this point I kind of want them to add a system to where you get 1-2 dollars worth in Crysta each month you are subbed or something. We no longer have veteran rewards and when they did there didn't seem to be a plan to add new ones.

If they are going for money from the US servers here rewarding players even a dollar here and there for being subbed would keep most subbed just to build up the cash. *shrugs* just a thought from when I played other mmos and they rewarded you for being subbed with cash shop currency. Sure it took a few months or longer to buy anything but it still felt nice you didn't have to spend extra (even if you were staying subbed to a game you hardly played).

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Originally Posted by Rosekitten

I think my biggest thing is.. I would 100% drop 18$ for a outfit. If it was account wide. I have 24$ mounts and they are account wide so ... why is a 18$ or 7$ emote..?

My other thought.. Yes I know they have to have cash shops for the other versions of the game. But at this point I kind of want them to add a system to where you get 1-2 dollars worth in Crysta each month you are subbed or something. We no longer have veteran rewards and when they did there didn't seem to be a plan to add new ones.

If they are going for money from the US servers here rewarding players even a dollar here and there for being subbed would keep most subbed just to build up the cash. *shrugs* just a thought from when I played other mmos and they rewarded you for being subbed with cash shop currency. Sure it took a few months or longer to buy anything but it still felt nice you didn't have to spend extra (even if you were staying subbed to a game you hardly played).

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Yeah unfortunately i don’t see that happening because i guess even veteran rewards were too much “free stuff” they gave us.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The problem is exactly why you stated. There’s plenty of eastern glamour on mogstation, but there’s then, very little in the actual game. As for content, it’s separate teams that work on the races as well. I’m not saying we didn’t lose content because of them, because we most certainly did, but content has been dying,cut,delayed since 5.0. I also don’t see how hard it would be to say yknow what, we didn’t have the time to make an end of expansion glamour like we normally do,so let’s put this mogstation outfit in game. How they do it idc, event, ishgard, msq. Just put it in.

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Content has been on a steady decline since the halfway point of Stormblood. I would not be surprised if we end up losing another dungeon or even seeing trials being cut.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yeah unfortunately i don’t see that happening because i guess even veteran rewards were too much “free stuff” they gave us.

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Yeeeah... I guess so. Shame cause when they were new I admit I Was pretty excited for the idea that there would be rewards. But they dropped that off rather quickly haha...

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

They worked on Male Viera/Fem Hroth between other tasks when they had down time at work. Nothing was lost or cut because of the new races. Yoshi-P didn't even want them working on it; it was a project they took on themselves, like flying in ARR zones. I wish people would stop screaming "MALE VIERA/FEM HROTH MEANS WE'RE LOSING MORE CONTENT WAHHHHHHHH" because it's not true.

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So are they going to be fitting gear every single patch in their "free time" then? Couldn't they have worked on some of these "eastern glamours" in their "free time", instead of male viera? What about female viera hair? Male hrothgar heads?

Does anyone honestly believe that the addition of male viera, and female hrothgar (one day) - the equivalent of one more full race - has no bearing on future scheduling, resource management, workload, etc. of SE?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

So are they going to be fitting gear every single patch in their "free time" then? Couldn't they have worked on some of these "eastern glamours" in their "free time", instead of male viera? What about female viera hair? Male hrothgar heads?

Does anyone honestly believe that the addition of male viera, and female hrothgar (one day) - the equivalent of one more full race - has no bearing on future scheduling, resource management, workload, etc. of SE?

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Honestly i don’t think it’s as big of an impact as people are making it out to be. People seem to want to give them excuses for it and then drag on those excuses. Like people blame covid so much for the lack of content this expansion when...we were already missing tons of content before it hit...

I actually really like this one. With some alterations (namely the head and pants) I could make it work pretty well for my SAM. I hope to get this at some point.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Honestly i don’t think it’s as big of an impact as people are making it out to be. People seem to want to give them excuses for it and then drag on those excuses. Like people blame covid so much for the lack of content this expansion when...we were already missing tons of content before it hit...

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I am simply referencing Yoshida in interviews. SE are the ones stating continuously how difficult everything is to add. This expansion has lacked content, and they had to push back ultimate until.. what next year(?), yet they will come out with tons of novelty content, and the equivalent of a player race that supposedly was impossible to add, as ShB launch was their "last chance" to add any new races. I do suspect things aren't as bad as SE makes it out to be. Yet here we are. Maybe 6 months of content drought and a forever delayed expansion cycle is exactly what they needed.

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

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Wait there's a mogstation team? And here I was outraged that this eastern glamour wasn't part of a seasonal event or something!

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Do you understand the context of my posts, or who I was replying to, at all? Why am I even bothering? I can't anyway, I'm at my post limit apparently.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

So are they going to be fitting gear every single patch in their "free time" then? Couldn't they have worked on some of these "eastern glamours" in their "free time", instead of male viera? What about female viera hair? Male hrothgar heads?

Does anyone honestly believe that the addition of male viera, and female hrothgar (one day) - the equivalent of one more full race - has no bearing on future scheduling, resource management, workload, etc. of SE?

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Again what you seem to be missing is that the mogstation team is a separate team here. They're not the ones in charge of male Viera/fem Hroth. You are so determined to blame all of their issues on the development of races that you're missing the forest for the trees. No one at SE said "Oh okay so the graphics team decided to work on Male Viera instead so we're going to cut X Y Z content to make up the difference." That's ridiculous. Certainly it will impact future gear design and development, but not by as much as you're thinking. Male Hyur, Miqo, and Au Ra already share the same body type just scaled, and from first glance it appears that male Viera will utilize the same frame (speculation on my part, but there you have it). It's NOT something the mogstation glam team would have any say in, nor would the development have any impact on at this point in time.

As for hats, hairs, and helms, I don't have an answer for you. I will concede it's 100% a frustrating situation, but we know nothing of their workflow and current priorities. Maybe it's easier to fix once they finished male Viera/fem Hroth; we don't know how long the development took, or when they started on it. Maybe they figured the demand for male Viera/fem Hroth was higher than the demand for hats/hairs. Maybe, I don't know, they're already working on hats/hairs/helms because it's on their official workload and it's a bigger task than remodeling Hyur bodies with bunny heads? I can't say for certain.

All I know is, this catastrophizing does nothing productive. No amount of whining will change the fact that the development of male Viera has nothing to do with this conversation and you bringing it up just makes you look like a fool.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I am simply referencing Yoshida in interviews. SE are the ones stating continuously how difficult everything is to add. This expansion has lacked content, and they had to push back ultimate until.. what next year(?), yet they will come out with tons of novelty content, and the equivalent of a player race that supposedly was impossible to add, as ShB launch was their "last chance" to add any new races. I do suspect things aren't as bad as SE makes it out to be. Yet here we are. Maybe 6 months of content drought and a forever delayed expansion cycle is exactly what they needed.

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You have no idea what impact the coronavirus had on the development team. And again Ultimate is a different freaking team from the glamour teams, for crying out loud. How many times do people have to tell you this for you to understand? Different teams work at different paces. Different teams will have had different impacts from not being able to work from the office. Unless you work at SE you have no idea what the workflow situation is like. Content drought, are you serious? We have new content and events coming out every month until Endwalker except maybe October. There's a MASSIVE amount of stuff to do in the game, new content or otherwise. It's not SE's fault if you burn through the relic grind in a couple weeks and then complain to have nothing to do. Good lord, it's like you have nothing to say unless it's whining.

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

You have no idea what impact the coronavirus had on the development team. And again Ultimate is a different freaking team from the glamour teams, for crying out loud. How many times do people have to tell you this for you to understand? Different teams work at different paces. Different teams will have had different impacts from not being able to work from the office. Unless you work at SE you have no idea what the workflow situation is like. Content drought, are you serious? We have new content and events coming out every month until Endwalker except maybe October. There's a MASSIVE amount of stuff to do in the game, new content or otherwise. It's not SE's fault if you burn through the relic grind in a couple weeks and then complain to have nothing to do. Good lord, it's like you have nothing to say unless it's whining.

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No one knows the exact impact it has no, but we can go with what we DO know. What we do know is that content already was lacking before covid happened. I’m tired of seeing people use it as an excuse for certain things when it was already a thing before it even existed. There’s not massive amounts of stuff to do in the game. What, relics? I completed Zadnor in a day. Yes it is SE’s fault if i can burn through the relic that quickly because they could 100% design it better. Make it rain event? Wow riveting. Ff14 event? Already seen it. None of that is new. I don’t see it so much as whining as it is pointing out obvious problems with the game. What new content do we have this month exactly btw?

When *is* moonfire faire? Don't think I've been around for it yet.

just looks like the power rangers when they tried to be ninjas the first time and got high =3

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Originally Posted by Imora

When *is* moonfire faire? Don't think I've been around for it yet.

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August

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Didn't they say that money earned from the cash shop helped fund the additional EU servers and some other stuff? So I guess its safe to say some of that money went into the upcoming Australian servers?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

No one knows the exact impact it has no, but we can go with what we DO know. What we do know is that content already was lacking before covid happened. I’m tired of seeing people use it as an excuse for certain things when it was already a thing before it even existed. There’s not massive amounts of stuff to do in the game. What, relics? I completed Zadnor in a day. Yes it is SE’s fault if i can burn through the relic that quickly because they could 100% design it better. Make it rain event? Wow riveting. Ff14 event? Already seen it. None of that is new. I don’t see it so much as whining as it is pointing out obvious problems with the game. What new content do we have this month exactly btw?

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We're getting 5.57 later this month or early next month, and 5.58 in late July/mid August. Make it Rain in July, Moonfire and Rising in August, FFXV in September. Press tour will likely come in October, so we'll get more info for Endwalker there. If you've seen these events before, great! Not all players have, though.

Also, no, it certainly is NOT SE's fault if you burn through content in a single day. Not everyone can or wants to do that. "Design it better" by doing what, exactly? Adding more of the already tedious grind steps that everyone on the forums complain about? The way people whine here on the forums, SE is damned if they do, damned if they don't. As far as touching on the lack of content, I'd really like some examples here because I highly, highly doubt you've done every single piece of content the game has to offer.

Have you maxed all your jobs? Have you maxed out BLU and gotten all the spells? What about Masked Carnivale, have you completed every stage? Have you completed the relic for every single weapon in Bozja? Okay, cool. What about Eureka? HW relics? ARR relics? All the Hildebrand quests? The Scholasticate quests? Have you completed your Triple Triad deck? There are over a dozen Beast Tribes, have you maxed them all? Have you cleared all floors of POTD and HOH? Have you completed your crafting logs? Gathering logs? I could keep going.

Just because the content is not new doesn't mean the content is not there, and just because you don't like what gets added, doesn't mean it's necessarily bad. You can't say "there's no content" because that's a bold-faced lie. It's one thing if some of the content is stuff that you don't enjoy, because okay, fine, that's valid. But the content is there. It's not an excuse for anything; there's no excuse needed. I get that SE is a corporation, but at the end of the day the developers are only human, too. People in the forums tend to forget that. They have demands coming at them from all angles and they're not going to be able to please everyone. I'll be the first to admit I have my gripes about some of the decisions they make and things I'd like to see changed. But for crying out loud, have a little compassion for the humans behind the screen.

ETA: Additionally, the coronavirus situation in Japan is a lot worse than in the States, assuming you're a NA player based on your home world. Vaccine rollout has been slow because of bottlenecks in the supply line and they keep getting spikes in cases, resulting in further lockdowns. It sickens me to see people saying "it's not as bad as SE makes it out to be" by basing it on the US situation.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Didn't they say that money earned from the cash shop helped fund the additional EU servers and some other stuff? So I guess its safe to say some of that money went into the upcoming Australian servers?

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Exactly. People see it as a cash grab, but in reality, this game is expensive to upkeep, let alone expand. Tunnel vision to the max, I swear.

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

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First of all, i didn’t say we have no content. So please, read before putting words in someone’s mouth. Second of all, it is SE’s fault if they make their content very diluted. Instead of giving multiple ways to do the relic in the actual relic instance, it’s either do fates, or do old raids. Examples of lack of content? Where to begin. Gnb and Dnc weapons being cut. They got 0 primal weapons for level 50 60 and 70 barring shinryu.We got dungeons cut, deep dungeon cut, Hildibrand questline cut. No allied beast tribe quest. No end of expansion glamour. If we compare to stormblood, no new housing ward(ishgard is 6.1). No voiced alli raids and no voiced 3 trials questline.No second Ultimate. No second pvp set.Vetaran rewards being cut. 90% of the stuff you listed is from other other expansions, not this one, which is what we’re talking about. I’m very tired of people blindly defending SE, and happily being spoon fed every little piece of content we get. People are allowed to vent their frustrations. Especially if they’re well justified(which they are in this case). You can chalk it off to tunnel vision all you want. It’s called giving criticism. Which btw, is how companies hear their audience. If people aren’t allowed to give criticism, then they won’t know what the playerbase wants. Grow thicker skin.

Didn't in one interview Yoshi state that a lot of resources went into the new race/s which impact on the other part of the game? Think there was a link to it in MPK thread.
And I don't buy it that they did it all on their free time.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Didn't they say that money earned from the cash shop helped fund the additional EU servers and some other stuff? So I guess its safe to say some of that money went into the upcoming Australian servers?

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This rings extremely hollow when the profits from XIV's subscription has been funding several of Square's other flops instead of being reinvested back into XIV. But they've become addicted to the cash shop revenue so it'll continue to get content while their cash cow starves.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

This rings extremely hollow when the profits from XIV's subscription has been funding several of Square's other flops instead of being reinvested back into XIV. But they've become addicted to the cash shop revenue so it'll continue to get content while their cash cow starves.

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This right here is why I have a issue with their cash grabs to be honest.. Yes I'm sure some of the profit is returned to the game. But tallying up subs alone, not to mention people with multiple retainers, the phone app paid service. All of that and the cash shop? I dunno, I know a game costs a lot to upkeep and servers and the employees. But I don't think they get a fraction of what they bring in for this game to properly spend on upgrading it. :P

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Originally Posted by Rosekitten

This right here is why I have a issue with their cash grabs to be honest.. Yes I'm sure some of the profit is returned to the game. But tallying up subs alone, not to mention people with multiple retainers, the phone app paid service. All of that and the cash shop? I dunno, I know a game costs a lot to upkeep and servers and the employees. But I don't think they get a fraction of what they bring in for this game to properly spend on upgrading it. :P

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Oh 100%. It’s become pretty prominent to me when the game barely gets advertised at the major game functions like E3 and stuff. Instead they advertise things like their life is strange game or marvel’s flopvengers.There is no way all of our sub money and the mogstation money is going towards the game.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Oh 100%. It’s become pretty prominent to me when the game barely gets advertised at the major game functions like E3 and stuff. Instead they advertise things like their life is strange game or marvel’s flopvengers.There is no way all of our sub money and the mogstation money is going towards the game.

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Didn't... Didn't they have like... Sidewalk adverts everywhere in LA during some of the e3 events for XIV over the past few years? It gets plenty of advertisements. I've seen them in movie theaters too.


There's a lot of confirmation bias in these threads over what people see what they want to see when they add stuff to the Mogstation.

We've seen these threads since it was added late 2014....

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Didn't... Didn't they have like... Sidewalk adverts everywhere in LA during some of the e3 events for XIV over the past few years? It gets plenty of advertisements. I've seen them in movie theaters too.


There's a lot of confirmation bias in these threads over what people see what they want to see when they add stuff to the Mogstation.

We've seen these threads since it was added late 2014....

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I know it gets plenty of advertisement. Heck I see it on most webpages anymore if I'm being honest. I know stuff like that costs money as well but I do feel like they don't keep most of the profit the game brings in where the parent company makes other games and as of late a lot of them have not been doing well or raking in what they thought they would for how much they put into them.

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Originally Posted by Rosekitten

I know it gets plenty of advertisement. Heck I see it on most webpages anymore if I'm being honest. I know stuff like that costs money as well but I do feel like they don't keep most of the profit the game brings in where the parent company makes other games and as of late a lot of them have not been doing well or raking in what they thought they would for how much they put into them.

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That's not how most companies function. Everything gets a budget.

Am I happy about it, no. But nothing will change that. The games budget has significantly increased over the years, even if you may not think it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Didn't... Didn't they have like... Sidewalk adverts everywhere in LA during some of the e3 events for XIV over the past few years? It gets plenty of advertisements. I've seen them in movie theaters too.


There's a lot of confirmation bias in these threads over what people see what they want to see when they add stuff to the Mogstation.

We've seen these threads since it was added late 2014....

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They’ve had a few yes but my point is. To my knowledge it’s never been features up as a prominent thing with their major events. They usually just put their other games in. I don’t think it’s so much as confirmation bias as it is....just a problem in general with mogstation.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Oh 100%. It’s become pretty prominent to me when the game barely gets advertised at the major game functions like E3 and stuff. Instead they advertise things like their life is strange game or marvel’s flopvengers.There is no way all of our sub money and the mogstation money is going towards the game.

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The game gets plenty of advertisement opportunities. That is a non issue. Currently the free trial is getting a lot of attention, and honestly that is a big move on SE's part, along with some bigger names in the WoW community openly criticizing WoW and its dev team. Even without all of this though the game's got no problems putting itself out there. A lot of the time they seem to just let the game do the talking and let word of mouth take its course.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The game gets plenty of advertisement opportunities. That is a non issue. Currently the free trial is getting a lot of attention, and honestly that is a big move on SE's part, along with some bigger names in the WoW community openly criticizing WoW and its dev team. Even without all of this though the game's got no problems putting itself out there. A lot of the time they seem to just let the game do the talking and let word of mouth take its course.

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Yeah i’m not really arguing that. The main point was about our money being put back into the game and it doesn’t seem like it.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Yeah i’m not really arguing that. The main point was about our money being put back into the game and it doesn’t seem like it.

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I'm sure some of it does, but not as much as they want us to think. I've believed that all along.

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Originally Posted by glitteringcosmos

You have no idea what impact the coronavirus had on the development team. And again Ultimate is a different freaking team from the glamour teams, for crying out loud. How many times do people have to tell you this for you to understand? Different teams work at different paces. Different teams will have had different impacts from not being able to work from the office. Unless you work at SE you have no idea what the workflow situation is like. Content drought, are you serious? We have new content and events coming out every month until Endwalker except maybe October. There's a MASSIVE amount of stuff to do in the game, new content or otherwise. It's not SE's fault if you burn through the relic grind in a couple weeks and then complain to have nothing to do. Good lord, it's like you have nothing to say unless it's whining.

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Just to add on to this, working on character models and art assets is also probably one of the areas of development least likely to get impacted by work from home orders. Other than approval passes it doesn't require anywhere near the level of testing and QA as combat related content. Heck, it doesn't even require actually having a running game client until you're at a point where you need to see how it looks in engine in game.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

If Moonfaire event doesn't have a new outfit as reward, I am going to be so disappointed.

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already datamined and the reward is decentish, it's not an outfit

Like it. SE take my money.

I'm struggling to think of what content was cut pre Covid tbh 5.0 - 5.2 wasn't missing anything outside of a Eureka zone equivalent by 5.2 of memory serves me correctly we still have the trial fight (plus an extra ex in 5.2 with memoria miseria) the two savage tiers, the first planned ultimate, first alliance raid, only other thing we didn't have that previous expansions had by x.2 would be the 2nd patch dungeon. Combat wise thier wasn't much missing in the original x.0 to x.2 period. If I did miss something however I don't mind being proven wrong but I'm not seeing this massive content cut everyone mentions when they talk about pre covid

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Originally Posted by Kiurai

I'm struggling to think of what content was cut pre Covid tbh 5.0 - 5.2 wasn't missing anything outside of a Eureka zone equivalent by 5.2 of memory serves me correctly we still have the trial fight (plus an extra ex in 5.2 with memoria miseria) the two savage tiers, the first planned ultimate, first alliance raid, only other thing we didn't have that previous expansions had by x.2 would be the 2nd patch dungeon. Combat wise thier wasn't much missing in the original x.0 to x.2 period. If I did miss something however I don't mind being proven wrong but I'm not seeing this massive content cut everyone mentions when they talk about pre covid

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Dungeons were already confirmed to be cut before covid started. Deep dungeon as well. Ruby weapon had no voice acting while byakko did in sb. Nier raid wasn’t voice acted while ivalice was in SB. Level 50,60,70 primal weapons missing from Gnb and Dnc. Gnb and Dnc not getting a unique Ultimate weapon model like rdm and sam. Technically SB also had 2 extra trials. Yojimbo and Rathalos(but those aren’t 4.1 or 4.2 so i digress).

Technically the 1 dng per patch started in 4.4 with the Burn and VA isn't universal so I'm not exactly counting that as cut content necessarily but primal weapons and ult weapons I completely agree with it's a strange oversight tbh

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Originally Posted by Kiurai

Technically the 1 dng per patch started in 4.4 with the Burn and VA isn't universal so I'm not exactly counting that as cut content necessarily but primal weapons and ult weapons I completely agree with it's a strange oversight tbh

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4.4 had two dungeons. The burn and saint mociannes(hard).

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Still nearly no representation for Ala Mhigan side of the story or characters.
Years later & we still don't have some of the arguably better gear sets introduced in Stormblood.

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We got her red jacket which is the best outfit imo. So we didn't miss out. :c

We do at least get the Ala Mhigan gearsets in-game – the ones actually named that and a few earlier desert-themed sets. And they're dyeable and we get multiple turns at them with the designs switched around!

Also while not strictly designated as Ala Mhigan, the Constellation relic gear for AST has a similar style to Lyse's "traditional Ala Mhigan dress".

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Originally Posted by Gameovers

We got her red jacket which is the best outfit imo. So we didn't miss out. :c

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There's probably no price I wouldn't pay for that Griffin outfit though. That set is amazing. Would love to see it made available.