Future jobs speculation: Mystic/Rune Knight thread

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Originally Posted by ChazNatlo

Probably but it's not like they're going to go "Well, more people like the Turbaned middle eastern Mystic knight to the Norse Rune knight, I guess we should go with that." They'll develop it based on what they think is the best option. Making a dichotomy doesn't help much. Maybe the Middle eastern design uses their own variation of sigil (rune) based sword magic Or they'll make up something

Mid post edit: I'm not saying that those aren't the two most likely choices (Although it wouldn't be outside expectations for the developers to treat any form of sigilmancy as Rune magic, so the Norse influence isn't a must) just that the Dichotomy isn't neccesary for us as random fans pitching random ideas.

That said, as an old FFV player, Middle Eastern Minwu looking Sword Mage is my go to... Much as I like my Whipsword idea, if they let me go Dual wielding Quad strike Flare blade, my year will be made.

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Really the direction they take the class would depend heavily on where the expansion locations are. Thinking in terms of Dark Knight and Machinist belong to Ishgard, Samurai to Doma, Red Mages to Ala Mhigo, Gunbreaker to Bozja, Reaper to Garlemald and Sage to Sharlayan. The only time this hasn't been true was Dancer didn't come with Thavnaria (and we can chalk that one up to popularity of the job and the calls for it by the community).

So following this logic, if we go to places like Dalmasca or Corvos it can be more middle eastern themed. If we travel north of Garlemald or go to the New World it can be Norse in origin. I believe you can also dig up some lore on Crovos, th here is a fighting style native to the land called "The Unyielding Blade". For what its worth, there is something to build off of that.

Also, has anyone considered the class could use the two handed swallow or eku blade? This could a more agile version of the class, justification for the use of scouting gear, and could use the runes to quickly access magic without casting.

I wouldn't be surprised to have new jobs coming from Dalmasca or Thavnair. We had one short story about Zenos' former master being from that area who was all about imbuing his blade with magic, so who knows.

The water/wind/lightning magic theme is pretty neat too, I guess it could fit a Thavnair job since it seems like a region where storms would be pretty intense. Wouldn't fit so much for a dalmascan job, but for that we might end up with Judge lol.
I'd personnaly like it better in heavier armor, but I think it pretty likely that we'll get a new job sharing scouting gear.

I’d think we are due for a scouting job, yeah?

Yeah absolutely. That's just aesthetic preference lol.
I mean reaper is supposed to be using maiming gear but its job specific stuff are robes so well. I'd be happy with a scouting Mystic Knight. I guess it'd use dual sword fusing into a staff like Gabranth ? That'd be neat.

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Originally Posted by Kazimere

I’d think we are due for a scouting job, yeah?

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Most likely, though I wonder if it's yet another melee, while it's a popular type of DPS six would be too many... then again, maybe not? Though they did tease Beastmaster as the next limited job and they may end up using scouting gear.

I'd like to see a Witcher type job. Dual swords but also wields it's own mystic arts of magic. Have it an original job class name like "Rune Shaman (RUN)" or something.

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

Most likely, though I wonder if it's yet another melee, while it's a popular type of DPS six would be too many... then again, maybe not? Though they did tease Beastmaster as the next limited job and they may end up using scouting gear.

I'd like to see a Witcher type job. Dual swords but also wields it's own mystic arts of magic. Have it an original job class name like "Rune Shaman (RUN)" or something.

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Could do a ranged scouting. Beast master could play a lot like ranger

Well Rune Knight is kind of that, mixing sword and more "classic" type of spellcasting. Like a more melee focused Red Mage.

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Originally Posted by Kazimere

Could do a ranged scouting. Beast master could play a lot like ranger

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Ranged scouting is aiming.
They are literally the same.

And then, we finally have it: "Magical Melee DPS".

While this thread was necro'd...

It's actually kind of funny that my old suggestion for Rune Fencer is basically just current SMN but in melee.

I forgot about the classic Spellblade Barrage combo, so maybe the "burst mode" for Rune Fencer would be basically "Every attack grants Greased Lightning stacks. Cash in all of your stacks for the finishing move."

RDM's combo was nice, but they keep adding more steps to it when the original was two quick hits into a slow finisher. I'd like for Rune Fencer to accelerate as they go through their combo instead for a nice Crescendo feeling.

Like a combo that gives stacks reducing your GCD as you go through that combo ? That'd be interresting, and might be a way to balance double weaving and oGCD cooldowns or something

Well, you know how RDM keeps getting more and more finishing moves tacked onto their combo? So what starts as a 5.5 second combo has more than doubled into a 13 second cast sequence? This would be the opposite, Rune Fencer would get more steps leading up to their finishing move, but the more steps added, the faster the combo gets to the point that they'd be throwing out attacks as fast as Ninja casts Mudras if they keep adding more as expansions go on while keeping that finisher as the capstone of the combo that just gets more explosive with more stacks from more steps.

No other class in this game has an "accelerating burst phase" so to speak so it'd be a nice contrast to MCH and RPR that just immediately go ham when they turn on theirs.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

I'm honestly a bit tired of sword jobs being tanks xD Or barely using their sword (red mage).

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*Gestures vaguely at SAM.* Though, admittedly, RDM swords are just sharp-edged wands that apparently take 50+ gauge to fortify enough to hit anyone with.

On the larger topic at hand, I feel like any Mystic/Rune Knight would need a serious dose of lore identity to differentiate itself at this point.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

*Gestures vaguely at SAM.* Though, admittedly, RDM swords are just sharp-edged wands that apparently take 50+ gauge to fortify enough to hit anyone with.

On the larger topic at hand, I feel like any Mystic/Rune Knight would need a serious dose of lore identity to differentiate itself at this point.

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I mean more general swords than just katanas. Samurai is very specific.

I don't think lore identity would be much of an issue honestly, if we can get "angry farmers made a pact with demons" to have a DPS dark knight FF11 brought to FF14, there is tons of way to have a lore around Mystic Knights.

Be it elite soldiers equipped with alchemically enhanced weapons in thavnair, made to channel aether at an optimal ratio to cast the spells at the same time, or other stuff from either Meracydia or other liberated regions.

Rune/mystic should be a melee DoT class. I think it could work well.

All I want and hope for is another DPS job that fights alongside a controllable PERMANENT pet like old summoner. Thats my vibe and aesthetic. Scholar is fun and probably my favorite healer but I dont particularly like healing in itself.

If its a tank class I wouldnt mind it at all though.

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Originally Posted by Mezzoforte

Rune/mystic should be a melee DoT class. I think it could work well.

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DoT with attacks proccing from it to reapply them stronger...or with other effects on top.
So a mix of old mage's ballad/bloodletter and the Lightning BLM spells in melee

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

I mean more general swords than just katanas. Samurai is very specific.

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Katanas are no more specific than a messer, a longsword, a broadsword, an arming sword, a dao, a curtana, a tulwar, a scimitar, a rapier, or any other form of sword. (Heck, katana originally just meant "sword", unlike more specific terms like a ninto, wakazashi, dachi, etc.)

That said, if we're to give MSK a sword even while Paladin remains the "everything else" among one-handed swords, we're going to need another iconic blade at least as iconic as RDM's rapier/epee/tuck and SAM's katana/tulwar/etc.

Sidenote: If we're to make the MSK concept a Scouting class, a Thavnairian "Dervish" seems a decent fit. Otherwise, MSK definitely seems to lend itself more to the above-average armor of Maiming.

Could be a pairing of sword+dagger. This would also allow to reuse old models from PLD and NIN for example. Something called an "athame" (ritualistic daggers used for magic rituals) or things like that.

As cool and fitting as a Whipblade would be for a scouting gear melee job, I would dig it for Thief swords (FFIX).

Also remember, all of Zidanes Dyne skills had runes in their animation.

I think a mix of Zidane and Gabranth could be interresting, they kind of use the same weapons (dual blades that attach into a twinblade).
As said before, name it something like Materia Blade and Athame or something along those lines.

I'm iffy on Dual blades that combine into a double bladed weapon for Mystic Knight. Mystic Knight's theme is enchanting your weapon with the right element to attack. Dual-blades that can combine into a double-bladed weapon are essentially "too cool" to not be the focus of how a class works. The very of theme of switching between two modes would be the dominant aspect of that weapon and would dilute any other aspects you try to tack onto it.


Rune/Mystic Knight's weapon needs to be something that easily accentuates the power of enchanting a weapon with magic. Plainer weapons like scimitars would work to this end. A segmented whipblade animated by magic also works with, and can help accentuate the theme. For example, Seven from type-0 can snag an opponent with her weapon and she can then using her "Livewire" ability to channel Lightning magic through her weapon to instantly zap an enemy that's been snagged; it's just perfect interplay between weapon and magic.


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Think about the Gunbreaker job. Gunbreaker exists because of the Gunblade weapon, not the other way around. Gunblades are cool enough that they created an entire job just to include them in the game. That's the level of focus that the dual-blades + twinblade combo would need to have in a job.

This is a very valid point. Would need to see if focusing on scimitars/curved blades would work, since PLD has a lot of those already.