Rokien's new thread on multiple character slots

Rokien is actually Yoshida in disguise testing our meddle and seeing how far he can go.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Rokien is actually Yoshida in disguise testing our meddle and seeing how far he can go.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Oh look, another Rokien thread complaining about this game being progressive in any way.

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nothing is stopping you from having multiple chars. now. Nothing is wrong with multiple chars. Whats wrong is what can be done with them. It's one thing if you have to pay for em or don't have to pay for em.
HECK I even had 2 chars that I played in FFXI, so I'm not against that. The thing I'm against is what's gong to happen with inventory, retainers, everything else that can be exploited with having multiple chars.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

nothing is stopping you from having multiple chars. now. Nothing is wrong with multiple chars. Whats wrong is what can be done with them. It's one thing if you have to pay for em or don't have to pay for em.
HECK I even had 2 chars that I played in FFXI, so I'm not against that. The thing I'm against is what's gong to happen with inventory, retainers, everything else that can be exploited with having multiple chars.

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What exactly is an inventory exploit anyway? I have upwards of 300 slots free on my retainers. My personal inventory is always full, obviously, but everyone who has full retainers is either a hoarder who needs to seek help, or is probably saving mats to craft later. Either way, their retainers shouldn't be as full as that. So I don't think the so-called exploits would ever be much of an issue. It's such a chore to leave stuff even in retainers, I cannot imagine the annoyance of somehow getting it all into your alt and then getting it back out. The inconvenience of it alone would stem "abuse".

Regarding retainers and economy, S.E. would probably restrict retainers across all characters. I can certainly see them doing that.

And with limited retainers/inventory slots, this would stem players from creating too many alts. Not to mention time!

At this point, I think you should start taking requests for your next thread topics. Left to your own devices, they're not turning out so well.

Inventory issue YoshiP is planning something for retainer system changes.

JP side also talking about how with many characters (8 per world) can lead to problems with items, retainers (8x2=16 retainers per character) gotta wait for details YoshiP going to release regarding this one to start bitching.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Inventory issue YoshiP is planning something for retainer system changes.

JP side also talking about how with many characters (8 per world) can lead to problems with items, retainers (8x2=16 retainers per character) gotta wait for details YoshiP going to release regarding this one to start bitching.

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Thanks Reinheart, I'm happy I'm not the only one!

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Originally Posted by Rokien

" I'm Rokien and I don't like how each account can have eight characters per server. I like people being restricted so that they dedicate more of their time to a single character. Why do we even need more characters in a game where we can switch classes at anytime?! I would much prefer them to keep the current system.

No I'm not a masochist nor do I feel like spending money on multiple character slots. It just makes things more like a fantasy version of the real world if we have one avatar to represent ourselves just like we only have one body in real life. We cannot log out and change our character if the current job/body doesn't suit us. We follow a path that we find interesting and suits us. Also roleplayers generally only roleplay one character until that character dies off or they start a new roleplay session.

(I heard Rokien had promised this thread was incoming so I thought I'd do it for him. He probably gets tired with all his thread making!)"
Rokien invading a server near you!
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I hope SE doesn't over look all the exploits that can be done with 8 chars on a server. Inventory, community, retainers, etc...

Also, don't know why you guys banned Lyndis from making this thread previously, it was on topic of a "general discussion" if anything ban the people not talking about the topic itself(posting my little pony).

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when captain awesome shows up on your server youll know its me, coming to troll you in game,lol.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

nothing is stopping you from having multiple chars. now. Nothing is wrong with multiple chars. Whats wrong is what can be done with them. It's one thing if you have to pay for em or don't have to pay for em.
HECK I even had 2 chars that I played in FFXI, so I'm not against that. The thing I'm against is what's gong to happen with inventory, retainers, everything else that can be exploited with having multiple chars.

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Can you give me an example of these exploits?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Can you give me an example of these exploits?

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I did, also reinheart said jps even agree.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I did, also reinheart said jps even agree.

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You haven't posted anything beyond "there could be inventory exploits" in this thread. Can you give me specific examples of what inventory exploits are?

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO!? WHAT would HAPPEN if people had OVER A THOUSAND INVENTORY SPACES!!!!???!!?

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN!?

No, seriously.... What? FFXIV Hoarders TV show?

I am sure that Yoshi-P has some something in mind, and all of your fears are for naught.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

You haven't posted anything beyond "there could be inventory exploits" in this thread. Can you give me specific examples of what inventory exploits are?

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the exploit he is referring to is just having character so you can transfer stuff to their inv(you would need a middle man of course, a LS friend or whatever)

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

the exploit he is referring to is just having character so you can transfer stuff to their inv(you would need a middle man of course, a LS friend or whatever)

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NO in 2.0 there will be a delivery system.

Yoshi's already stated retainer would be shared across ALL characters on the server. This thread is pointless and dumb. Even less intelligent is the use of the word "exploit"; beyond having LOTS of items which almost anyone, in any other mmo, at any dang time can do right now; provide me one solid reason as to why we can't have more than one character? Are you a die hard ffxi'er who wants to pay through the nose for characters?

If you don't like having them or other people having them than make friends with people who won't do it. Get their login info and check their accounts on a regular basis if they have more than one character. You all can stick together.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

NO in 2.0 there will be a delivery system.

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your right, that'll make ti easier.

Sooo... am I to take it you don't have any examples of what "inventory exploits" are?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Sooo... am I to take it you don't have any examples of what "inventory exploits" are?

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It says it right in the word, no need to.

Also it will create community issues as well, no I'm not going to list em all, just think for a bit I'm sure you can come up with some.

How is this any different than purchasing mules in xi? I don't see the problem here. Yoshi said he estimated the cost of data storage for the extra characters and came up with a price that seemed fair. It's not like it's hurting anything, we're just getting mules / vanity characters for free.

If those characters could be logged on simultaneously I'd agree there was a problem. Honestly I think xi should do the same, the cost of data storage is next to nothing at this point in computing it's bandwith you have to worry about. Since neither game allows extra characters to be logged on at the same time the impact to the game is minimal.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

It says it right in the word, no need to.

Also it will create community issues as well, no I'm not going to list em all, just think for a bit I'm sure you can come up with some.

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No, sorry, "inventory exploit" is a highly ambiguous term. How does one exploit an inventory? What is an inventory exploit? Can you answer those questions in a detailed fashion?

When you make a claim that X will happen or that Y exists, you have to support it with evidence and explanations.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

It says it right in the word, no need to.

Also it will create community issues as well, no I'm not going to list em all, just think for a bit I'm sure you can come up with some.

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You know people would like you more if you didn't pull baseless claims out of your a$$ in just about every thread you make.

In gamming exploitation means to take advantage of a mechanism by using it other than it's intended purpose for your own selfish gains. The nyzul item duplication glitch was an example of how you would exploit a game mechanic that was not working as intended. I don't see how using mules to store extra items is considered an exploit. You are not doing anything other than using a game feature exactly as it was designed to be used.

If you can't back up your claims with anything other than "Come on you know I'm right" then don't make them. It's very clear you have no idea what in the hell you're talking about when you can't support your own ideas.

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

You know people would like you more if you didn't pull baseless claims out of your a$$ in just about every thread you make.

In gamming exploitation means to take advantage of a mechanism by using it other than it's intended purpose for your own selfish gains. The nyzul item duplication glitch was an example of how you would exploit a game mechanic that was not working as intended. I don't see how using mules to store extra items is considered an exploit. You are not doing anything other than using a game feature exactly as it was designed to be used.

If you can't back up your claims with anything other than "Come on you know I'm right" then don't make them. It's very clear you have no idea what in the hell you're talking about when you can't support your own ideas.

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Community issues will happen no matter what, this will just make it worse.
I'll just give an example:
One day you decide to create an LS. This ls gets big, you develop an LS bank with lots of gil. You start to get greedy, so you make a new char. FREE OF CHARGE. Steal the ls bank, give it to your new char. There you go. You are now a very rich level 1.

It will just promote stuff like that.

Also, having 1000 inventory space is taking advantage of the mechanism. Pretty sure those other chars are not there for storage.

making more characters = more storage space when they add a mail box, no reason to have an alt in this game since you can do it all on one character.

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Community issues will happen no matter what, this will just make it worse.
I'll just give an example:
One day you decide to create an LS. This ls gets big, you develop an LS bank with lots of gil. You start to get greedy, so you make a new char. FREE OF CHARGE. Steal the ls bank, give it to your new char. There you go. You are now a very rich level 1.

It will just promote stuff like that.

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people bot and buy gil & people rob the LS anyways.

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Also, having 1000 inventory space is taking advantage of the mechanism. Pretty sure those other chars are not there for storage.

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people do it all the time in mmo's

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Community issues will happen no matter what, this will just make it worse.
I'll just give an example:
One day you decide to create an LS. This ls gets big, you develop an LS bank with lots of gil. You start to get greedy, so you make a new char. FREE OF CHARGE. Steal the ls bank, give it to your new char. There you go. You are now a very rich level 1.

It will just promote stuff like that.

Also, having 1000 inventory space is taking advantage of the mechanism. Pretty sure those other chars are not there for storage.

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Stuff will happen like that Free or not.. people will by the Extra Character to do the same thing ( even if they charged 1 buck a Character).. 1 buck is nothing... and the same thing will just happen.. Community problem will be a community problem

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Stuff will happen like that Free or not.. people will by the Extra Character to do the same thing ( even if they charged 1 buck a Character).. 1 buck is nothing... and the same thing will just happen.. Community problem will be a community problem

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Ya as I said community problems will still happen, but charging for more chars. will alleviate some of it. Those who don't want to spend the extra money will consider before doing stupid stuff.

As I also said I have 2 chars in FFXI and shared stuff between em, that's cool but when you can have 8 >.> that's a little much. If you are willing to pay for 8, fine that's cool you should get those extra things.

Also look at my sig....

I totaly agree! More player slots just means (to me) more RMTs with more retainers in already clogged up wards. The server merge already made it hard to even get my retainer into ANY uldah ward (yes I know ther are more cities but who shops those other cities). I believe they have an opportunity to make money and are not doing so. I would gladly buy another char for a mule if they would just put a post/mail system in.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ya as I said community problems will still happen, but charging for more chars. will alleviate some of it. Those who don't want to spend the extra money will consider before doing stupid stuff.

As I also said I have 2 chars in FFXI and shared stuff between em, that's cool but when you can have 8 >.> that's a little much. If you are willing to pay for 8, fine that's cool you should get those extra things.

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Meh, it doesn't bother my gameplay.. It only effects the person who's doing it "majority" of the time

Edit: RMT will happen regardless what you do in any MMO.. Preventing to the best of your abilities is all any company can do.. but there is no true way of stopping them.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Meh, it doesn't bother my gameplay.. It only effects the person who's doing it "majority" of the time

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Ok, say you want a friend to join the game when 2.0 comes out BUT the server is filled because of all the alts. It will effect everyone.

I also note, I'm not against having extra chars. As I had em in FFXI, I just see a lot of problems coming from it. So, maybe they can lower it to 2 chars a server up to 10.

http://i.imgur.com/X9Fnv.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ok, say you want a friend to join the game when 2.0 comes out BUT the server is filled because of all the alts. It will effect everyone.

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That's why they made a limit of how many 1 can make per server, I'm sure with the current setup they have the server max will be higher than 5,000. Yoshi-P isn't stupid he knows what he's doing.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

That's why they made a limit of how many 1 can make per server, I'm sure with the current setup they have the server max will be higher than 5,000. Yoshi-P isn't stupid he knows what he's doing.

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Ya it will be bumped up, though, that will get filled up fast if theres 5k people on a server and each of em can make 8 extra chars. That's 40000

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Originally Posted by Alerith

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I have no idea what you are talking about. I've given plenty of examples.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ya it will be bumped up, though, that will get filled up fast if theres 5k people on a server and each of em can make 8 extra chars. That's 40000

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Easy Make more worlds say each Server holds 15,000 people and there's 20 worlds 300,000 spots.

Also to note that Perhaps its only 1 account= 1 spot on server as there will always be 7 inactive characters regardless what anyone does.. they can't even dual box even from the same account.

I feel it will be on a "account basis" 5k people *8 Characters.. it will still show up 5k people because the account states 8 Characters .

I'm just thinking out loud.. I'm sure SE has Logic to what they are doing, let them do what they need to do.

But unlike you and a few others, Most people Troll with the other slots. Like it has been said "personalities and repoire has been built with the main chars most carry. Others tend to build multiple chars to troll the communitys, and speak thier actuall minds while hiding behind a false char. You are a minority of player that actually DOES play multiple chars without bad intentions.

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Originally Posted by viion

WOW IS IT THAT SIMPLE DERP?!

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/facepalm

Wow! The only thing is I like your Website, but I think you are clueless. A company that NEEDS to make money doesnt give stuff away. Are you really trying to tell me that if SE continues to charge per char that can do everything you would quit? Or that by not charging people to make 8 chars that can do THE SAME THING will bring in buisiness?

The only thing this will do is make trolling, RMTs and botting more abundit.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Actually, that sounds more like they are insane. More the reason not to listen to them!!!

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LMAO, Seems you 2 ran out of intelligent things to say and just resorted to claiming stupidity. Seems to me that if one person doesnt like your faded ideas or lust for trolling you bash them. Pitty

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Originally Posted by indira

making more characters = more storage space when they add a mail box, no reason to have an alt in this game since you can do it all on one character.


people bot and buy gil & people rob the LS anyways.




people do it all the time in mmo's

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I think the point is "It just makes it all easier" not saying it doesnt happen already

How about this?

Your account shares retainers across all characters (That are on the same server) You get the awesome of never needing to mule items across accounts with mail-boxes. You also don't need to worry about having 7 mule accounts to manage.

Seems to be the most logical solution to me.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

How about this?

Your account shares retainers across all characters (That are on the same server) You get the awesome of never needing to mule items across accounts with mail-boxes. You also don't need to worry about having 7 mule accounts to manage.

Seems to be the most logical solution to me.

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So, if I have 4 characters with 2 retainers each do I have access to all 8 on my main character?

I'll totally abuse the legacy benefits if that's the case.

Or am I getting this wrong?

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Originally Posted by Arkine

So, if I have 4 characters with 2 retainers each do I have access to all 8 on my main character?

I'll totally abuse the legacy benefits if that's the case.

Or am I getting this wrong?

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Hes saying for all chars(8) you share that one retainer, which would be fine by me. Especially if you have to buy extra retainers.

Ahh crap didn't check the dates totally bumped a old thread...But yes Rokien has what I am saying right, you share your retainers across all characters.

2 that you start with and the ones your purchase afterwards.