Can we please get rid of the 1-map-per-inventory restriction?

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Originally Posted by Eien713

My point is that since it's possible to bypass the restriction anyway...

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The restriction has not been bypassed as it's about limiting how many you have per inventory type, not how many you have total.

Like I said, I believe the idea is about sharing. Even if only one person has all the maps, unless that person wants to go to the mail/retainers several times, they may distribute it to the rest of the party for convenience so that each member can have a chance to be the map owner.

And as for the economy, this also limits how many you can sell at one time, which has the benefit of letting different people get a chance at some easy profit.

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Originally Posted by linayar

The restriction has not been bypassed as it's about limiting how many you have per inventory type, not how many you have total.

Like I said, I believe the idea is about sharing. Even if only one person has all the maps, unless that person wants to go to the mail/retainers several times, they may distribute it to the rest of the party for convenience so that each member can have a chance to be the map owner.

And as for the economy, this also limits how many you can sell at one time, which has the benefit of letting different people get a chance at some easy profit.

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The limitation has been bypassed since the main issue people care about (I presume) is how many maps in total you can have/store/farm.

Anyway, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get the point of forcing people to share their maps. Everyone can collect maps, so why are we encouraging people to be lazy and then leech off others and get their maps? I should also mention that I'm of the opinion that when people run maps together, they should all be allowed to roll need unless the map owner really wants a certain item and thus the others should pass. Also, I'm all for keeping the restriction of selling 1 map per retainer. I have no issue with that.

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Originally Posted by Eien713

The limitation has been bypassed since the main issue people care about (I presume) is how many maps in total you can have/store/farm.

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"Bypassed" implies you got around a restriction that the devs want to put on you. If the amount you can have is a problem, they would have added more restriction.

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Anyway, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get the point of forcing people to share their maps. Everyone can collect maps, so why are we encouraging people to be lazy and then leech off others and get their maps? I should also mention that I'm of the opinion that when people run maps together, they should all be allowed to roll need unless the map owner really wants a certain item and thus the others should pass. Also, I'm all for keeping the restriction of selling 1 map per retainer. I have no issue with that.

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Because it allows for easier grouping. Not everyone has to be a gatherer. Not everyone has to spend gil. They also probably don't need to unlock the map feature unless they want to use a map.

I also agree on FFA, but the limitation is not about rolling on loot, but by being a map "owner," you can have the experience of choosing a door, playing the minigame, rolling on the wheel, etc. It's about sharing the fun.

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Originally Posted by linayar

I also agree on FFA, but the limitation is not about rolling on loot, but by being a map "owner," you can have the experience of choosing a door, playing the minigame, rolling on the wheel, etc. It's about sharing the fun.

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Ah, I see your point there.

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Originally Posted by Eien713

Were these the ARR maps or the HW maps? I could've sworn that maps were originally ones you do by yourself and their loot wasn't exactly stellar.

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ARR Timeworn Peistiskin Maps were the original level 50 full party maps introduced in 2.1 and dropped:

• the Bluebird minion,
• Chinchilla Hide (Glacial Coat and Boots)
• Blue Fox Hide (Highland Barding, Boots, Mitts, Smock and Hood)
• Dress Material (Spring Dress, Skirt and Dress Shoes with Plain Long Skirt added in 2.4) added in 2.2.

The ARR level 50 solo Timeworn Boarskin maps had:

• Mariner Cotton Cloth (Sailor Shirt, Brais and Deck Shoes)
• the Wind-up Tonberry Minion.

2.3 added the level 50 solo Unhidden Leather Maps to the map reward pool with:

• all the existing rare map mats
• the Nutkin minion
• Polarized Glass (Shaded Spectacles and Minstrel's Spectacles(2.4))
• Mist Silk (Crescent Moon Nightgown, Nightcap, Cone, Bottoms and Slippers)
• Imitation Mistbeard Mask (2.4)
• Imperial Shadow Visor (2.4, Polarized Glass is a possible Desynth)
• Spriggan Hat (2.45?)

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Maps loot summary

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Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

have to say i find it hilarious people are complaining about it ruining the economy when ishgard restoration exists. That already absolutely destroyed the economy lmao. But now y’all wanna deny a nice qol like more map slots? Crazy

Part the reason i never do em is that its such hassle to get more.... if i could just do a 10-20 at once id love to...

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

Part the reason i never do em is that its such hassle to get more.... if i could just do a 10-20 at once id love to...

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I have to agree. My FC has Map Mondays where we each take 1-3 maps with us. It's already exhausting by the end of going through them all, and the extra step of inventory management (as well as not being able to open them all to plan out routes) is tiresome.

I don't think releasing the quantity of maps one person can hold in their bag is much of an issue. If someone can do 50+ maps in a single sitting, good on them. No one I know would be running maps in 12 hour shifts.

If you allowed a player to hold and open multiple maps that would have a significant impact in terms of economical value.

If say you had a party, each person able to open 3 maps each, then you could line up all the zones and significantly reduce time consumed and (while lightly) gil used to teleport (mostly a time consuming aspect).

There may be an argument in "well it's not fun that they're so much of a hassle, I'd rather they are worth less, who cares about the economical value" - but that'd be that. The hassle and inconvenience adds to the value.

Time is a function of reward rate and all that noise, that is annoying, is incorporated into the reward rate - can't remember when Yoshida said, and I know someone else already mentioned it here, but that is the reason why it is the way it is (as per Yoshida saying if they adjust the stack-ability that then they will have to nerf the rewards). Especially if you combined the ability to stack them and open many at once. Could organize yourself like 20 of one zone and knock them out one after another in much faster time. Generally as things get older I'm fine extracting time from the function, but these items were designed to be sellable and make gil - which is where I suggest more thought than "eh whatever, it's old content now- let some more people enjoy it". If you still come to that answer, then fine but it'll just impact the market value.

Which again, maybe some don't care about that.. Maybe it's the fun value over the gil value. But there would be repercussions for such a change. AS there was for crafter changes, which some people didn't like.

Most likely it'll start with a mass map buyout with a huge spike in map prices, then a influx of rare items causing their value to drop, and as people are able to slowly stack more and more maps the map value drops and the rare item value never returns. It would be great bot territory, adding to the lack of return (even if some of the items are of interest, which will cause it to pull up again over time but likely never to the value it was before). Another sketchy part of it being these chests often have gil rewards themselves- so an accelerated rate could lead to gil devaluation that hasn't been seen since 1.0, if anyone recalls 1.0 days bots did leve quests over and over that made them gil which was worse than trading for gil (generated gil impacts the economy differently). They already do some gil generation tricks, but if you had super easy chests you could stack it would certainly get worse lol.

One unique aspect of maps is they are a fairly substantial easy gil item for those who've no means yet, since they have a limit on how many you can obtain and such - also why I was suggesting ways to consume lower tier maps (to make it even easier profit for people getting new into the market, if the low tier maps can be used to do something people will buy them).

So if you do it because it's fun- and that is all, then it would be great, but if you had liked to make gil then likely no longer a great choice. Like with what happened to a lot of crafting options, which isn't a great example if someone who didn't want their crafting value to go down then also didn't want their treasure value to go down lol.. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's subjective though since some people just do chests out of fun (reward less relevant), and the whole massive inconvenience is a barrier to that.

/shrug ? lol. Personally think they should be careful with the system since it seems like a good choice to make money, but adding QoL without messing it up would be nice. Yet it's fine if they crash the market for me in the end, I don't need gil and now you are letting me buy more stuff cheap :p. Free discounts lol, just feel you'd be losing an opportunity to get into the larger gil market (like what happened to a lot of crafting, though certainly not all).

A three map limit would be cool.

It's already limited to gathering only once per day. The holding-limit is stupid, especially when you can just send and store them into your mailbox.

Throw in alts and buying maps from the MB. Yep you can easily hoard a massive amount of maps. Only take about a month or less to hoard like 100 maps spread acorss the mail system and alts.

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Originally Posted by Eien713

Yes, I know this. But, again, portals aren't guaranteed and when they do pop up, they rely on RNG. And sometimes not everyone has 5 maps, but you just wanna have fun together doing maps as a group of friends or an FC group. So it would help in this case if people can have more than 5 maps to compensate for those who don't have many maps on them.

We can spend eternity going back and forth on this matter. My point is that since it's possible to bypass the restriction anyway, why not make the lives of players a bit easier. If this affects the game very negatively in a way that I couldn't foresee or think of, I'm ok with things remaining the way they are, no matter how inconvenient they might be.

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I gather then it's yes? I wasn't sure - hence the question mark to verify if my thoughts were correct!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

If you allowed a player to hold and open multiple maps that would have a significant impact in terms of economical value.

If say you had a party, each person able to open 3 maps each, then you could line up all the zones and significantly reduce time consumed and (while lightly) gil used to teleport (mostly a time consuming aspect).

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Then just let us hold 3 straight in our bags. You can only gather 1 a day. This already limits how many maps can be on the market. Having it so the buyer/user can hold 3, or more, has little impact vs allowing multiple maps to be gathered a day. As someone else said, you can already stack 100s of maps using alts and retainers. It's just a headache to do so.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

I gather then it's yes? I wasn't sure - hence the question mark to verify if my thoughts were correct!

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You mean for the number of maps? Yeah, it's 5 max and like you stated. I also wanna mention that after I had filled up those slots, I so hate having to refrain from gathering a map just because I don't have where to store it. It feels like such a waste (T_T).