Losing loot when INV is full.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

In 2.0 we get addons also, with any luck someone will make an addon to filter out items you don't want to keep/pick up.

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The addons will be great! Sometimes the company can't do or think of everything, that's when community made addons come into play and make the experience a lot better. Some of these addons are adopted by the company and become real in-game feautres.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Can do this now. Go into your lootlist, discard what you don't want.

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retarded pointless comment. Miss im against everything that wasn't it XI.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Can do this now. Go into your lootlist, discard what you don't want.

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I want it automated dude ... you do it for me !!

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Kinda like you.

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You must have failed math.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Yes, it's a lame mechanic to prevent something from being vendored.

The smart thing would've been to allow the idiot to go back and do the appropriate quest/fight.

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Yes, make thing more convenient is not smart, pple like you are holding back human evolution.

Err- Just to point out, originally you didn't have your loot list forcibly thrown into inventory and/or discarded when you left a dungeon. However, with the advent of CC and AV there was a bug that arose with certain items simply straight out vanishing out of the loot list when you left, and this is the only fix they have.

Supposedly, 2.0 will not suffer from this retartedness.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

The smart thing would've been to allow the idiot to go back and do the appropriate quest/fight.

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I laughed, you really think the casual's would stick around if that happened to them.

Oni you can see the bags in the lower right corner of the 2.0 screen, the items are colour coded to display what they are.

2.0 Image

It also gives a good reference to see how full your inventory is, something which we are lacking at the moment.

Edit:- My mistake its 6 bags, the one to the left is the currently equipped armour.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

retarded pointless comment. Miss im against everything that wasn't it XI.

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You're an idiot lol, even in XI you can go back and pick up something from a quest/dungeon if you were full because the game holds it for you :D

Good job making a retarded pointless comment.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I want it automated dude ... you do it for me !!

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Making something harder, longer and painful just for the sake of it is how XI fans describe pleasure.... or fun.... or wvt gets their masochist thing going on.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Making something harder, longer and painful just for the sake of it is how XI fans describe pleasure.... or fun.... or wvt gets their masochist thing going on.

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It's not hard to click your loot list (or hit the hotkey) and sort through it -- You're asking for something the game already does.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's not hard to click your loot list (or hit the hotkey) and sort through it -- You're asking for something the game already does.

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he wants SE to come play his game and do everything for him, thats what this comes down to

convenience isnt always a good thing, there are limits

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

he wants SE to come play his game and do everything for him, thats what this comes down to

convenience isnt always a good thing, there are limits

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Otherwise you're a masochist for having to do something yourself. He still doesn't know what masochism means, but since he derides FFXI and people who plays it, he think he's correct in the usage.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I laughed, you really think the casual's would stick around if that happened to them.

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If you ask Elexia, Dragon and Molly_Millions, we don't need casuals. We need forced grouping, extreamly hard, time consuming and bland content in order to make this game a success. Hell we don't even need to attract any new players. As per them S-E will be rolling cash just with the XI fan base, which are already paying S-E btw.....

Oni you can see the bags in the lower right corner of the 2.0 screen, the items are colour coded to display what they are.

http://www.heartcoregaming.com/wp-co...FFXIV_2_00.jpg

It also gives a good reference to see how full your inventory is, something which we are lacking at the moment.[/QUOTE]

I like the color coding part.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

If you ask Elexia, Dragon and Molly_Millions, we don't need casuals.

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I never once seen any of these people say this -- You're acting like a child now.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You're an idiot lol, even in XI you can go back and pick up something from a quest/dungeon if you were full because the game holds it for you :D

Good job making a retarded pointless comment.

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He said something about addons sorting your inventory, you said he should do it himself instead and i said you are restarted cuz the whole point of addons is having them do some stuff for you or make it easier/better. Then you go an quote a feature of XI regarding them keeping item for you, while we were talking about ADDONS.

Who's the idiot now?


Lol every single time you open your mouth i ridicule you, yet you still try... pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Lol every single time you open your mouth i ridicule you, yet you still try... pathetic.

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The fact you do this makes you the one in the wrong, not her.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

He said something about addons sorting your inventory, you said he should do it himself instead and i said you are restarted cuz the whole point of addons is having them do some stuff for you or make it easier/better. Then you go an quote a feature of XI regarding them keeping item for you, while we were talking about ADDONS.

Who's the idiot now?


Lol every single time you open your mouth i ridicule you, yet you still try... pathetic.

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Why do you need an add-on to do what you can already do yourself now? Like really?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Why do you need an add-on to do what you can already do yourself now? Like really?

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Read what he said, tell me how the game currently does what he said. Like really?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Why do you need an add-on to do what you can already do yourself now? Like really?

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Now I'm trying my best to stop from replying to your posts but ...

Isn't that the whole purpose of addons ?

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Read what he said, tell me how the game currently does what he said. Like really?

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Sort through what you don't need/want...ok, your loot list holds all your items you currently obtained, open it, click the item you don't want, hit discard.

Simple.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Now I'm trying my best to stop from replying to your posts but ...

Isn't that the whole purpose of addons ?

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add ons are fine, and yes they are meant to make things easier to an extent

but at the point where it starts doing everything for oyu is when it crosses a line
not saying thats what this is, but some people here dont even seem to want to play the game at all they want it played for them for convenience

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

add ons are fine, and yes they are meant to make things easier to an extent

but at the point where it starts doing everything for oyu is when it crosses a line

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Ontop of being redundant, may as well ask for an add-on that auto runs/walks for you since we're doubling up on the same features >.>

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Sort through what you don't need/want...ok, your loot list holds all your items you currently obtained, open it, click the item you don't want, hit discard.

Simple.

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See this is where you inexperience of playing other games comes into question.

Most other games you click a dead monster and loot what you want and leave what you don't.

In this game you have no choice in the matter, you kill something and your inv gets filled up with crap, now I have to spend 4-5 minutes scanning over my inventory for random trash drops that I want to either sell or drop and lets be honest the process is not very user friendly.

It's why they are changing the UI in 2.0 adding bags and drag and drop which I have already mentioned.

I think the actual visual of seeing how full your inventory is a much needed one (I'm sure you will disagree though)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

See this is where you inexperience of playing other games comes into question.

Most other games you click a dead monster and loot what you want and leave what you don't.

In this game you have no choice in the matter, you kill something and your inv gets filled up with crap, now I have to spend 4-5 minutes scanning over my inventory for random trash drops that I want to either sell or drop and lets be honest the process is not very user friendly.

It's why they are changing the UI in 2.0 adding bags and drag and drop which I have already mentioned.

I think the actual visual of seeing how full your inventory is a much needed one (I'm sure you will disagree though)

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there is a VERY simple solution to this though

dont go out in the field when you know you will be wanting drops unless you have your inventory sorted to make sure you wont lose stuff

if you are going out farming with 190/200 thats your fault, not the games

if you go into a dungeon with 199/200, again your fault

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Originally Posted by Jinko

See this is where you inexperience of playing other games comes into question.

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Sorry, not inexperienced. I just know the difference between needing a plugin that does something for me when I can already do something myself. For example Windower for FFXI added the ability to sort your inventory automatically, something SE added much much later.

That's when you want a plugin for something, they're designed to give functionality to a game that natively lacks it.

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Most other games you click a dead monster and loot what you want and leave what you don't.

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In this game, you go into your loot list and take/discard what you don't want. The sole purpose of this is for the very reason some people have full inventories and it gives you ample time (unless you zone out) to get your inventory together. It's essentially the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Sort through what you don't need/want...ok, your loot list holds all your items you currently obtained, open it, click the item you don't want, hit discard.

Simple.

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Point of addons, make things easier/faster/better. Simple right?

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

You must have failed math.

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Talking in the mirror again? The only math class I ever failed was Intermediate Algebra, and even that was due to attendance.

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Yes, make thing more convenient is not smart, pple like you are holding back human evolution.

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Funny, because I'm a transhumanist singularitarian.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I laughed, you really think the casual's would stick around if that happened to them.

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I don't care what those who aren't willing to stick around when the next great WoW clone comes around want.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

If you ask Elexia, Dragon and Molly_Millions, we don't need casuals. We need forced grouping, extreamly hard, time consuming and bland content in order to make this game a success. Hell we don't even need to attract any new players. As per them S-E will be rolling cash just with the XI fan base, which are already paying S-E btw.....

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Strawman arguments.

1. We're not necessarily for forced grouping.
2. We're not necessarily for extremely hard or time-consuming content.
3. Not everything you support is entertaining.

But hey, we do want to attract the kinda player that likes sticking around at the end of the day, because we understand casual players are nothing more than flakes at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

there is a VERY simple solution to this though

dont go out in the field when you know you will be wanting drops unless you have your inventory sorted to make sure you wont lose stuff

if you are going out farming with 190/200 thats your fault, not the games

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My inventory can become full just from doing 8 leves.

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if you go into a dungeon with 199/200, again your fault

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I agree, I personally always check when loot drops in a dungeon, but not everyone will remember to do so or remember to empty their inventory before going into a dungeon.

The thing is that you are looking at this back to front.

If we weren't forced to pick up every insignificant item then we wouldn't need to check our inventory so often.

I'm pretty sure that if this game had been developer with Yoshi from the start we would be looking at dead monsters that required looting.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Point of addons, make things easier/faster/better. Simple right?

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as long as it doesnt play the game for you, yes

how an add on will "manage" your inventory for you can be pretty shady

about the only thing an add on can do that may not be illegal would be give you a warning

anything else borders on botting and illegal use of programs(if it plays for you that is, considering thats what everything else would classify as at that point)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

My inventory can become full just from doing 8 leves.



I agree, I personally always check when loot drops in a dungeon, but not everyone will remember to do so or remember to empty their inventory before going into a dungeon.

The thing is that you are looking at this back to front.

If we weren't forced to pick up every insignificant item then we wouldn't need to check our inventory so often.

I'm pretty sure that if this game had been developer with Yoshi from the start we would be looking at dead monsters that required looting.

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if your out doing leves chances are the drops are not your primary concern anyway...

i know how that goes i do them still too


and in the end, "those who dont remember to do so" can NOT blame the game, they did not remember, the game didnt prevent them from doing it, they did it

thats what alot of this comes down to

thats like saying its the games fault that you missed a behest cuz you were in the bathroom for a minute too long because you didnt remember to join behest before you went



edit: also in regards to leves, we have vendors at pretty much all camps now for that specific reason you know

I think I see where the disconnect is, due to the interface lag people simply never bothered with the lootlist function lol, it pretty much does what a plugin would do the only difference is it won't be automated (not even Blizzard allows all automation plugins.)

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

You have 200 slots, I'm sure you can find a way to make some room. If you're loosing items because your inv is full, it's your fault.

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I usually just throw away cobalt sashmir or HQ worthless items and the junk as i see fit... that being said i'm always maxed out on inventory and bazaar space but I always have something to throw away

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Originally Posted by Matsume

I usually just throw away cobalt sashmir or HQ worthless items and the junk as i see fit... that being said i'm always maxed out on inventory and bazaar space but I always have something to throw away

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As am I, I discard food ingredients as I'm not a cook, I discard ores I no longer need to skill up and so on. It saves me a ton of space lol. I guarantee most people are full on random crafting/gathering materials and not gear because there's no gear swap in this game during battle so unless you know you'll be on a mage job which actually can benefit from gear swap, very unlikely to be maxed out in inv space with a lot of useful stuff.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

if your out doing leves chances are the drops are not your primary concern anyway...

i know how that goes i do them still too


and in the end, "those who dont remember to do so" can NOT blame the game, they did not remember, the game didnt prevent them from doing it, they did it

thats what alot of this comes down to

thats like saying its the games fault that you missed a behest cuz you were in the bathroom for a minute too long because you didnt remember to join behest before you went



edit: also in regards to leves, we have vendors at pretty much all camps now for that specific reason you know

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mmhmmm....

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Originally Posted by Elexia

As am I, I discard food ingredients as I'm not a cook, I discard ores I no longer need to skill up and so on. It saves me a ton of space lol. I guarantee most people are full on random crafting/gathering materials and not gear because there's no gear swap in this game during battle so unless you know you'll be on a mage job which actually can benefit from gear swap, very unlikely to be maxed out in inv space with a lot of useful stuff.

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Yea and if you weren't forced to pick them up to begin with you wouldn't be required to micromanage your inventory so much.

We all throw away useless items or NPC them there is no other option unless you want to sit around with 200/200. /derp

There is a simple solution: sort and manage your inventory before you do anything that puts items in your inventory. Seriously, it's like you guys in support of the OP have never played an RPG before.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Sort through what you don't need/want...ok, your loot list holds all your items you currently obtained, open it, click the item you don't want, hit discard.

Simple.

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This actually becomes a horribly time consuming process, believe you me I speak from experience.

I can't wait for 6 bags.

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Originally Posted by Matsume

This actually becomes a horribly time consuming process, believe you me I speak from experience.

I can't wait for 6 bags.

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it takes less than 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

because we understand casual players are nothing more than flakes at the end of the day.

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Casuals is what made Blizzard roll in cash and laugh at the competition. While S-E's hardcore masochist MMO called XI, made them want to create a new MMO with the goal of attracting these flakes....

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Originally Posted by Matsume

This actually becomes a horribly time consuming process, believe you me I speak from experience.

I can't wait for 6 bags.

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you will still have to manage your inventory though

it wont change much at all if anything

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

you will still have to manage your inventory though

it wont change much at all if anything

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Bags, drag and drop, new UI and faster server system which the new UI is designed for.... i'd say it will make a HUGE difference when it comes to managing your inventory and when using the UI overall too.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

it takes less than 5 minutes.

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when you do this a few times a day every day those 5 minutes add up to a lot of speed runs or synths, you must admit.