just reminding SE they added two new races last expansion ...

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Imagine choosing viera knowing the consequences and still crying

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I mean, it's not like they said HROTHGAR AND VIERA WILL NOT GET NEW HAIRSTYLES AT ALL, EVER. DEAL WITH IT OR BUY A FANTASIA, PEASANT! so can you really blame any Viera/Hrothgar player to be salty that the other races get yet another 2 hairstyles, totaling now 9 since 5.0, yet our "unique hairstyles" are still nowhere to be seen.

Well yeah i can get why some ppl get annoyed for the amount of threats about Viera and Hrothgar hair styles but if SE is having limited resources as some say to actually implement anything at all to this 2 races why not you know cut by half the amount of hairstyles other races have being getting this expansion so each patch Vieras and hrothgars can get something so they don't feel frustrated and discriminated? just a simple suggestion about management since is not like the other races would suffer considering the amount of head customization they have already compared to the other 2.

I think it's more along the lines of...
When we see a hairstyle, and doesn't *specifically* say it's also for viera and/or hrothgar, then don't get hopes up. Because they said that those races would get their own unique hair *for the most part*.

Sure, they said that they'd get *possibly* older hairs too, I think, but other than that....?

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

I think it's more along the lines of...
When we see a hairstyle, and doesn't *specifically* say it's also for viera and/or hrothgar, then don't get hopes up. Because they said that those races would get their own unique hair *for the most part*.

Sure, they said that they'd get *possibly* older hairs too, I think, but other than that....?

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Other than that, what? 5.5 is coming up and there hasn't been a single thing added to either race and not a peep about when they might be getting something.

It's 'fun' to see how the conversation has shifted from "Guys the expansion just launched, give them some time I'm sure they'll do something next patch!" to "Just shut up about it already you guys are so annoying."

If people are annoyed hearing about it imagine how annoyed we are having to keep asking about it.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Other than that, what?

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I was just saying not to get hopes up, that's all. Lmao.
Not like I'm sitting here saying like, "Omg shut up so annoying ugh".

Do not worry they will add a version for new races but it will be a mog station only item in the future and people will eat it up.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I honestly think this is possible the worst fanboy type response to something like this. You're assuming that every player operates with the same amount of information.

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OP knows the limitations with Viera. Clearly stated in this thread.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

That may be true yes but they were also promised some new styles that have yet to materialize. I think it's fair for Viera and Hrothgar users to express their dissatisfaction that they have received nothing new and it's been almost 2 years. I think it's also understandable that some come here and express their frustration and try and remind the devs that hey what about us.

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It's been many more years since we got Egi-glam and was promised to get more. Have you seen any?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I think racial issues are a bit more important than your EGI glamours but that's just me. I suppose your egi must be very upset not being able to wear any new hairstyles. But hey I won't trade my Viera alts I love them even with the limitations. I'm also reasonably optimistic we see significant additions with the upcoming xpac.

And I support those willing to let the devs know they're not happy.

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My point isn't about it being of importance or not. I'm pointing out that the devs promised this many years ago. When they promise something that isn't included when they add a feature means little to nothing to me.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Do not worry they will add a version for new races but it will be a mog station only item in the future and people will eat it up.

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Oof, I'd hope it wouldn't be mog station.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

I was just saying not to get hopes up, that's all. Lmao.
Not like I'm sitting here saying like, "Omg shut up so annoying ugh".

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I personally don't expect any of these new hairstyles coming out to work for us anymore, but it doesn't matter if it's a thread about hairstyles the other races get or a thread asking about the "unique" ones we were promised, the responses are mostly the same.

You might not be telling us to shut up in exactly those words, but "are we still talking about this?" is being dismissive.

Yes, we are still talking about this and we will keep talking about it until they actually do what they said they'd do.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

OP knows the limitations with Viera. Clearly stated in this thread.

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Still doesn't make it right.

Also you quoted me where I literally said "Even if they did is it ok for SE to abandon them?" Meaning even if the OP knew it's limitation is it still the right thing to do?

I mean if you're going to quote people at least read what they wrote.

Well, viera would never actually get those hairs anyway. They said viera would get some racial unique variants. I'd love to know where those are and what they'd look like though.. Hopefully in May..

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Well, viera would never actually get those hairs anyway. They said viera would get some racial unique variants. I'd love to know where those are and what they'd look like though.. Hopefully in May..

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My guess.. they're not coming. That at least I will agree is wrong. If they were promised 'unique hair' sometime down the line then you'd generally expect them to keep their word.

Yeah im nearly certain Viera and Hrothgar WONT be getting these in 5.5. Dunno if its true but apparently they cut corners with Viera and Hrothgar and designed special heads that more or less act as helmets and slapped them on existing body models. So the heads are in turn, shaped and sized differently which is why a lot of hair and head gear dont work. They need to be specially fitted but SE aint got time for that.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

It's been many more years since we got Egi-glam and was promised to get more. Have you seen any?

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I think racial issues are a bit more important than your EGI glamours but that's just me. I suppose your egi must be very upset not being able to wear any new hairstyles. But hey I won't trade my Viera alts I love them even with the limitations. I'm also reasonably optimistic we see significant additions with the upcoming xpac.

And I support those willing to let the devs know they're not happy.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I think racial issues are a bit more important than your EGI glamours but that's just me. I suppose your egi must be very upset not being able to wear any new hairstyles. But hey I won't trade my Viera alts I love them even with the limitations. I'm also reasonably optimistic we see significant additions with the upcoming xpac.

And I support those willing to let the devs know they're not happy.

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Eh, importance is relative mostly. I think that the new races' needs are a bit more dire though, but that doesn't take away from what others think is important or not.

Man, 2B's hairstyle looks good

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

My guess.. they're not coming. That at least I will agree is wrong. If they were promised 'unique hair' sometime down the line then you'd generally expect them to keep their word.

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Key phrase there "sometime down the line" No specific date or time given just that it will happen. With no specifc time frame, yep you could be waiting months or years.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Key phrase there "sometime down the line" No specific date or time given just that it will happen. With no specifc time frame, yep you could be waiting months or years.

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And I think most would be more accepting of that if Viera and Hrothgar weren't left out while every other race in the game got hairstyles. That is one of those things where I feel that they should either add a little something for everyone, or none at all.

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Imagine choosing viera knowing the consequences and still crying

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In fairness not everyone lives and breathes every live letter and tidbit of news from the game. At this point years on? Sure, people should be aware. But when I Fantasia’d to Hrothgar when it was new there was no in game warning of any type that you now have no access to hats or headpieces. There was just a small line about one hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Imagine choosing viera knowing the consequences and still crying

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Imagine advertising a new feature only to mention the limitations after the hype died down, then hardly update them whatsoever despite saying you will once the expansion launched.

Maybe we should hold SE to a better standard considering they keep advertising how ShB has attracted the largest amount of subs in the game's history.

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Imagine choosing viera knowing the consequences and still crying

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Knew about no hats. Knew about no legacy hair. Still waiting on, ya know, the totally cool and unique custom hair SE said Viera would have that justified the decision for these two limitations.

edit: I'm not even saying "Give us a 1:1 for every new hair!!!" I just want maybe one or two sprinkled in. ShB has come and gone and they didn't release a single new bunny hair? Didn't throw Hrothgar anything either.

Yoshi-P: Hairstyles will be limited at the start but we'll add more!

Viera/Hroth Players: Ok, sure.

*1 year later*

Yoshi-P: I should have mentioned they'd get more UNIQUE hairstyles!

Viera/Hroth Players: ...Ok... so...?

*1 year later*

Devs: Look at all the hairstyles we've added for everyone but Hrothgar and Viera!
Viera/Hroth Players: So, about ours...
Other players: OMG YOU'RE SO ENTITLED! SMALL INDIE COMPANY PLS UNDERSTAND! THEY TOLD YOU NO HAIRSTYLES OMG!!!

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

Knew about no hats. Knew about no legacy hair. Still waiting on, ya know, the totally cool and unique custom hair SE said Viera would have that justified the decision for these two limitations.

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Yea I didn't change to viera thinking "kay we should get all the stuff we don't have before the end of the expansion". I knew most hats would be invisible and I knew the only legacy hairstyles I could realistically hope to get are those from the mog station. I also knew SE said we would get more hairstyles for our race.

However I didn't think that would mean we would go an entire expansion without getting one single hairstyle, while all the pre-ShB races get nearly ten. I also didn't think we would get our lack of head options rubbed in our faces even further by having the only glam piece from an event be a hat we can't use.

We are shafted for head options. It wouldn't be so bad if we either had a huge choice of hats, or a huge choice of hairstyles. But we have little choice for both. And hrothgar need to pay real money to change their hair. At this point I think SE should make a hrothgar and viera only fantasia that is cheaper than a fantasia for changing into a pre-ShB race. We're literally paying the same price for less content. At least have the cost of a racechange reflect this huge imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Yea I didn't change to viera thinking "kay we should get all the stuff we don't have before the end of the expansion". I knew most hats would be invisible and I knew the only legacy hairstyles I could realistically hope to get are those from the mog station. I also knew SE said we would get more hairstyles for our race.

However I didn't think that would mean we would go an entire expansion without getting one single hairstyle, while all the pre-ShB races get nearly ten. I also didn't think we would get our lack of head options rubbed in our faces even further by having the only glam piece from an event be a hat we can't use.

We are shafted for head options. It wouldn't be so bad if we either had a huge choice of hats, or a huge choice of hairstyles. But we have little choice for both. And hrothgar need to pay real money to change their hair. At this point I think SE should make a hrothgar and viera only fantasia that is cheaper than a fantasia for changing into a pre-ShB race. We're literally paying the same price for less content. At least have the cost of a racechange reflect this huge imbalance.

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What really kills me is that Viera do have a ton of unique hairstyle designs to choose from (on npcs) in ff12. I heard "No, you won't get regular hair, but unique hair!" and immediately got excited. That game was when I fell in love with Viera, and began dusting off the old disc to "shop" around for possible 14 hairs. I have an alt that stays up to date on content. Not having to pay twice for new hair was 100% okay with me, actually!~

I just really wish we would hear something. Part of me is thinking that since we are finally seeing the end of the design contest hair implemented (which was a horrible decision, thank you SE for never hosting another one!) that they are on the "to-do" after finally working through that mess.

I was just reading the Japanese forums, this made me giggle.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...f34707486f.png

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...E3%83%AC/page9

But I do see the bottom of those ears, and can overlay some of the hairstyles in my mind, and wonder if the greater issue is floating ears for anything but thick hair?

https://i.gyazo.com/39553a90f42a282c...15014b48ec.png

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Originally Posted by Shibi

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There's absolutely a few styles that would be problematic with Viera's ear positioning and Hrothgar posture, but then they always make adjustments to styles for Elezen ears, Lalafell ears, Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears as well where those would be a problem.

I obviously can't speak for everyone but at this point I don't even care anymore if they bring over some of the older styles or just do unique ones (or a mix of both), as long as they finally just do something.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

There's absolutely a few styles that would be problematic with Viera's ear positioning and Hrothgar posture, but then they always make adjustments to styles for Elezen ears, Lalafell ears, Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears as well where those would be a problem.

I obviously can't speak for everyone but at this point I don't even care anymore if they bring over some of the older styles or just do unique ones, as long as they finally just do something.

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If they were to give modern aesthetics hair to Viera it would just be a case of scaling the hair to the correct size (there are a few exceptions, like the very flat long style, but this is generally how people have done the illegal-visual-crime to put the hair on bunnies).

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Originally Posted by Yencat

There's absolutely a few styles that would be problematic with Viera's ear positioning and Hrothgar posture, but then they always make adjustments to styles for Elezen ears, Lalafell ears, Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears as well where those would be a problem.

I obviously can't speak for everyone but at this point I don't even care anymore if they bring over some of the older styles or just do unique ones, as long as they finally just do something.

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Yes, indeed. Looking at the OP's rude post... I think this is one style that won't fit the ears.

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Originally Posted by lalin

HELLO yoshida ... i hope you still remember you added two freakin races last expansion ..they are called Viera and Hrothgar incase you forgot ...

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AND THESE BETTER BE WORKING ON MY VIERA ..

https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/tekitou_...3/e30e7a13.png

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I'm pretty sure that hair would work. It has enough body to lift off the scalp. Don't forget there's a long/flat hairstyle for viera that has the ears come out as stems already. The space between the ears and the head isn't the issue as much as the slot they decided to put viera hair (which isn't in the hair slot.. c: )

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

Making more and more threads aren't going to make squeenix change things.

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That's not how feedback works, though.
People have every right to suggest changes. Especially for things that were promised and never followed through. This isn't an indie company and, incidentally, Covid not the black plague. I must know, I work on an ITU.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

If they were to give modern aesthetics hair to Viera it would just be a case of scaling the hair to the correct size (there are a few exceptions, like the very flat long style, but this is generally how people have done the illegal-visual-crime to put the hair on bunnies).

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Yeah, the Form & Function braid is a bit wonky with the ears going over the braided part and 2B hair with the headband could be a problem as well. But even having some of them would still be better than none at all.

Like you I was pretty excited when they said we'd get unique hairs, it would be a great chance to really go crazy with the hairstyles they could do without having to account for a hat-compatible style.

But here we are.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

There's absolutely a few styles that would be problematic with Viera's ear positioning and Hrothgar posture, but then they always make adjustments to styles for Elezen ears, Lalafell ears, Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears as well where those would be a problem.

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People would be far more forgiving if the only hairstyles we were missing were those that would have severe clipping issues for viera ears and hrothgar's posture. At least those issues at a glance are obvious. Even having access to only the ShB hairstyles would make me far more forgiving. But instead we were dangled the hope of new hair at the beginning of ShB, and now we're almost at the end and we got nothing. Not even a small comment about it.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

People have every right to suggest changes. Especially for things that were promised and never followed through.

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Some people get their kicks from telling us we're babies for expecting SE to have at least made a comment on their promise after almost two years. I guess they crave the feeling of superiority.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That's not how feedback works, though.
People have every right to suggest changes. Especially for things that were promised and never followed through. This isn't an indie company and, incidentally, Covid not the black plague. I must know, I work on an ITU.

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But it is generally how SE takes feedback. 1 large thread is worth more than hundreds of small threads.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

But it is generally how SE takes feedback. 1 large thread is worth more than hundreds of small threads.

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This. Time and again Yoshi-P, other devs and the forum peeps have said tons of small threads are skimmed over simply because it's far bigger of a hassle gathering all the topics for review rather than one big topic that has everything in it that can be scanned in one go.

If you actually want to make feedback, stop making duplicate threads that will die off. Make one big megathread that'll go for hundreds of pages and be constantly active by adding your commentary to one of the trillion already existing Viera/Hroth threads that exist.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

But it is generally how SE takes feedback. 1 large thread is worth more than hundreds of small threads.

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You're right and I agree.

But I'll say that the level of condescension and mockery this topic seems to invite when people have tried bumping one of the older existing threads to talk about this rather than start a new one gets really demoralizing, so people step away instead.

No one wants to be the lightning rod for this ****, OP hasn't even posted anymore since the first page.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

You're right and I agree.

But I'll say that the level of condescension and mockery this topic seems to invite when people have tried bumping one of the older existing threads to talk about this rather than start a new one gets really demoralizing, so people step away instead.

No one wants to be the lightning rod for this ****, OP hasn't even posted anymore since the first page.

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A lot of that has to do with presentation too.

Many of the threads on here get started with posts that are very obnoxious, or are started by people who are incredibly combative.


Theres a lot of good discussion that happens on the forums, but unfortunately, it tends to get overshadowed by all the trolls, disingenuous people, etc.

There are probably people here who believe I think SE can do no wrong. Its more that I enjoy the game for what it is. Does it have faults? yes. Could the devs do better in some areas? absolutely. But I have so few actual issues that I never feel the need to come voice them. I'm much more passive in my dislikes. If a game doesn't cater to me, I simply stop playing.

People seem to believe that every game needs to cater to them specifically or it sucks. I just will never understand that.

But then, I also don't really like Viera and had no interest in them, so of course I'm not up in arms over the hair and hats. I do feel they have been neglected, but I also understand how development plans can 9get thrown out of whack, not only by the pandemic, but other issues as well. Who knows what happened. Maybe the fanfest they will talk about it.

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A lot of that has to do with presentation too.

Many of the threads on here get started with posts that are very obnoxious, or are started by people who are incredibly combative.


Theres a lot of good discussion that happens on the forums, but unfortunately, it tends to get overshadowed by all the trolls, disingenuous people, etc.

There are probably people here who believe I think SE can do no wrong. Its more that I enjoy the game for what it is. Does it have faults? yes. Could the devs do better in some areas? absolutely. But I have so few actual issues that I never feel the need to come voice them. I'm much more passive in my dislikes. If a game doesn't cater to me, I simply stop playing.

People seem to believe that every game needs to cater to them specifically or it sucks. I just will never understand that.

But then, I also don't really like Viera and had no interest in them, so of course I'm not up in arms over the hair and hats. I do feel they have been neglected, but I also understand how development plans can 9get thrown out of whack, not only by the pandemic, but other issues as well. Who knows what happened. Maybe the fanfest they will talk about it.

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I don't mind if other people aren't up in arms about it to be honest, if people don't really care about something then they don't really care and that's fine.

But having the same circular arguments with (often the same) people that are trying to push this narrative that people are surprised, shocked or even slow to catch on because they dared to inquire about what SE said they'd and then didn't do gets exhausting. Being told to just Fantasia or unsub if you don't like it isn't conducive to a great discussion either I can say. :rolleyes:

I think everyone can understand that development plans change or get messed up, especially after last year. But if they can be upfront about having to push the Ultimate back and pop out every now and then to say that they still don't have the resources to do the other genders but they totally would if they could then I don't think it's too much to ask for a simple update on this particular issue, especially considering how long it's been.

Hopefully this thread can stay active for a good while longer than they normally do.

I just get tired of being the only race in the game that has to pay actual money to choose between my hairstyles for hrothgar :). Can I just use that fantasia and change back to my queen femroe and have fun with all the hairstyles?

Yes, Yes I can.

Do I want to just straight up abandon my lovable cat man nerd thing? No. No I dont. Im jealous of viera tho. You guys get some decent hairstyles out the gate and you dont have to perform plastic surgery on your character just to get the choice between TWO hairstyles haha ;););););)

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I vivdly recall that they both mentioned that they dont actually really have the ressources to add the two more races the playerbase wanted (Viera and "something more beastlike") and had to made a few compromisses, inclusing only one gender per race aswell as limitations when it comes to adding hairstyles for those new races.
Yes, they said Viera would get new hairstyles eventually - and I know you never got any. However they never said which hairstyles (I think it was pretty clear that you wouldnt get all of them) or when that would happen. Considering that for the last year we've all been dealing with this little thing called a pandemic, I wouldnt be surprised if Viera hairstyles were one of the things that would be even easier to cut than seasonal events.

Bottomline: They said Viera (and Hrothgar) would be limited in certain areas, mainly hairstyles and headgear. We knew this. Seeing threads complaining about it gets quite old after a while...

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Just going to say, if no one causes a stink about it, then they aren't going to put any sort of priority into it... Thats how you get things done. All the people with their "Oh Im tired of seeing X or Y" thread. You're not helping. But, I guess since it doesn't pertain to you, you just see it more of a nuisance rather than these players legitimately requesting that their characters not feel like they're still in beta. I understand the pandemic, but I can really only go as far as them developing new content like new ultimate and savage fights..or new dungeons or the likes. But small things like new *HAIRSTYLES* or gear pieces. I can't give them a pass because they make it for the other races just fine.

I remember someone saying that they might release them later, but why do that? Its stupid to release something thats already in game for these two races because it'll increase their production costs trying to rework it later rather than making it alongside everyone else...

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Originally Posted by Yencat

There's absolutely a few styles that would be problematic with Viera's ear positioning and Hrothgar posture, but then they always make adjustments to styles for Elezen ears, Lalafell ears, Au Ra horns and Miqo'te ears as well where those would be a problem.

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They only make adjustments for Miqo'te, as far as I'm aware. Maybe one extra model for long-eared races, but generally they all have ears (or horns-as-ears) attached to the head in the same place as humans so only one universal style is needed. There's also at least one that fully hides human ears but Elezen and Lalafell ears clip straight through with no adjustment.

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Originally Posted by lalin

imaging writing a toxic comment about something you know nothing about :)
watch the old live streams .. thanks

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This is literally the third or fourth hairstyle this expansion, the rest do not work on Viera. Why would you think this one will? He's not even being toxic, ironically it's you that needs to watch the live streams, because they've explained already both races would be limited and they were delivered because we wanted them so badly, but this would be the form we would get them in, and it's not a priority for them to resolve the headpiece/hair issue for them. Think about how much stuff inc the ultimate they're behind on, largely due to the pandemic and realise this is probably the last quality of life thing you're going to get. It was expected that players who picked these races would understand this, apparently not. But then again, knowing this community, I remain unsurprised.