Option to wear armour sets from different classes as Glamour for other classes

Yes I have wanted this for so long. My favorite coat is caster only and would look so good on my MCH. For those of you that are saying no. Do you have a reason other than "class fantasy" cause we all know that's bull. I see tanks in swimsuits, melee frogs and casters is plate all the time.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Where are you playing? Because when I queue for randoms, it's the weapon and stance that lets me know who's who, not the glams. The number of times it's a cute catgirl tank in a cute dress with a giant sword is kind of overwhelming. Also, the number of male characters in a thong running around really makes me question what the actual percentage of .... (nevermind).

Basically, I just got done with a random with a Barista Tank, and hula girl as a Dragoon, and hells, I was doing my Blackknight Red mage look. The Healer was a lala, and frankly, I can never tell what they are going with as their fairy is larger than they are.

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I play on Aether. More specifically Siren. A far less populated server than yours. I really shouldn't have to point out that I said, "from my experience" in my post. By stating this, what this does is not allow posters such as yourself to invalidate my post; as much as you would like to try. My last random group all had players looking the part. Not a pig, frog, or bikini among them except maybe the DNC, which is a job already known to be scantily clad during combat. Again I will say that I would not allow the minority to represent the majority. I DO see these players in my duties; but they are nowhere near the same number of players who prefer to look and use glamour options pertaining to their job/role.

I should also mention that little attire =/= poor glamour selection by the player. This seems to be heavily implied by the playerbase when I see bikinis and 2B bottoms being tossed around in their arguments. These glamour choices don't prevent players from being tasteful with their selection, or being true to the job they are playing.

I am also not sure who you are arguing with by telling me you can tell what job a player is by their stance and weapon. I don't seem to recall making any posts where I said job identification is an issue. While I don't want to see any WHMs lugging around a giant axe anytime soon; this argument is neither here or there. We are not talking about their weapons. We are talking about their attire.

Af should stay locked, but anything | other than that should be freed up

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Iconic job gear obtained through job quests should remain locked to the job. Everything else should be open season.

I mean I'm a DNC. The sorts of gear we wear is ALREADY available to everyone (Thavnarian bustier, etc) so why not?

Weapons can stay job specific, I don't think anyone would mind that much.

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I am not sure why players feel they need to mention that job specific AF is off the table. Is anyone actually wanting this to be cross-glamur as well? Other than a minut portion of players.

A lot of the gear DNCs like to wear such as the Thavnairian Bustier have been available as general glamours for years. It's not like it was exclusive the DNC, and then they made it available to everyone. This hardly makes a strong case to stop putting role restrictions on gear, which for the most part is intended for combat, but used as glamour choices.

Yeah, because what I totally want to see is a BLM wearing DRG armour. /sarcasm lol
I really, really hope SE will never do this. The beachwear tanks are bad enough already.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Yeah, because what I totally want to see is a BLM wearing DRG armour. /sarcasm lol
I really, really hope SE will never do this. The beachwear tanks are bad enough already.

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What's wrong will the a mage in armour? This is pretty common in fantasy settings. Instead of just laughing off a suggestion try giving an actual reason why you don't think it is a good idea

I don't think they should remove the restrictions entirely but I would like to see more sets get unrestricted glam versions in the case of ones where the looks don't really scream "This is for *insert role*" and/or could pass as casual wear like they did with the Sky Pirate/Rat sets.

The Shisui and Nomad sets stick out to me in that regard.

I disagree with this. No thanks.

I would always appreciate more glam options, but I don't think they are gonna open the floodgates and make everything avilable to every job. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually went back and lock the ARR and HW Gathering/crafitng gear or general accessories to role.

Plus if you're of the camp that thinks restrictions are nessisary to be creative, then unlocking all the gear would be seen as killing creativity

With that said I feel like there'd be some nice compromises I can accept such as

1. Unlocking all accessories or at least having the role locked models be used for ARR dungeon accs (since they are gonna replace the pink ones eventually). Plus I don't think the Winged Earrings used for Manasilver/Drawven/Asthethe's are inherently indicative of a crofter
2. More Diverse gear design. Gordeas has a lot of stuff that are exclusive to Tanks and the Gear design contest winners also naturally yielded unique stuff that some jobs wouldn't get otherwise or without Savage raiding (For example, a battlemage glam would've been hard to pull off were it not for the Gordian or Bonewiica caster/healer sets). Have more stuff like that once in awhile would help
   • Related is ensuring that some gear sets are closer to some jobs than others. It could be as simple has having Red Caster Gear (RDM) or as having more cloth options for Tanks (GNB).
3. Updating older gear sets for new jobs. I'm specifically talking about the Job-locked Warwolf and Battleliege gear, which as such cannot be worn by RDM, SAM, GNB or DNC. Either that or reusing the models for role locked dungeon gear instead (they haven't touched the PVP models for some reason, The Twelve's accs aside)
4. The aforementioned model swapping, especially when combined with point two
5. A Chartreuse Dye (that is more of a personal preference, as the i90MNK AF gear is the only gear in the game that has that color besides the [thankfully also for MNK] Ears of the Moon Rabbit)

I would love this. Makes me jealous seeing those Syrcus Tower fodder enemies wearing High Allagan fending set as mages. I like armors with metals (or details) on casters. And I'm kinda tired of the generic coat/robe #4332.

PS: For more argument on the topic, they have recycled original caster armors and gave them to striking/aiming sets for example. I can be a dancer looking like a caster. So that rule that people need to be their job to wear that armor type to identify the job is bullshit.

Weapon classes aside, if your character is able to wear the equipment on any of its classes, it should be able to glamour it.

This is how FFXI's glamour system works, and contrary to what many people playing this game seem to think, that game didn't break for letting a WHM glamour a BLM's AF. Don't get why AF should remain sacred. If you've actually leveled the other class to the point it can wear it, why shouldn't you be able to glamour it?

With all the people who go into the DF in event gear and swimsuits, the whole "maintaining class identity" argument has never, ever held up. Just let it go.

Make Glamour Licenses for having the necessary jobs leveled to glamour their associated gear. Then they can focus on making combat versions of crafter glams as dungeon loot. /sigh one day....maybe....

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Originally Posted by M0rrigan

PS: For more argument on the topic, they have recycled original caster armors and gave them to striking/aiming sets for example. I can be a dancer looking like a caster. So that rule that people need to be their job to wear that armor type to identify the job is bullshit.

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Want to know what is BS? The mentality that takes a mile when given an inch.

The release of these mimic sets was in direct response to players wanting to be able to cross glamour, and it's a case similar to releasing gender restrictions on bunny and maid attire where now that they've done it, they no longer have an excuse to keep imposing them on players. This is an argument that makes someone sound entitled. If the devs lift the restriction on a set, or release a copy usable by everyone, this does not obligate them to no longer use restrictions. That is absolutely ridiculous, especially when it comes to gear that is already released.

Your energy is better spent asking them to release more sets. The only rule I see is when the devs decide to put a restriction on a piece or set of gear. This means that they intend for no one else to wear it other than that role/gender/etc. Players who are in favor of these restrictions don't set the rule; they simply agree with it and are allowed to so do wither you like it or not.

Yeah nah. I worked my tail off for my savage gear and if I want to glamour that onto a different class to enjoy it and further diversify my appearance in a way that makes me happy while covering different roles, why shouldn't I be able to? And ya know what? YES, they SHOULD remove all gender locks at this point. People(and I'm fully aware that is not 'all' people) HATE THEM and every time they release new gear with gender locks, it causes a stink. There's zero reason to keep doing it when they've already seen people don't want it. I don't know why there's talk of what people are 'obligated' to do/not do. What is being done here is players ASKING for something, which is the point of these forums. To let the developers know what people would like to see.

The beautiful thing is, every single piece of gear you put on is a choice YOU make. So people asking for more freedom in their choice should in no way hinder YOU in what YOU want to wear. Saying 'no, I don't think people should have more options' isn't a great look. Just saying.

I agree for removing class locks. Heck, a bunch of dungeons are just the same gear sets class swapped, like the Filibuster vs Royal Volunteer. However! I think they should only do it for "type" sets rather than "job" sets. Maybe it's a weird line to draw, but I like that they have the iconic job sets at 50/60/70/80 and it might be nice to keep them exclusive as a compromise for the people who think a class should look a certain way. No black mage running around in full Ebers. Class identity can be maintained through actual class gear, considering the fact that I can already put my gunbreaker in a robe and my white mage in full plate through glamour gear.

A few people have mentioned removing the gender restrictions as well, and I'd love to see that, though I'm a little worried it would come at the expense of existing models. Ideally there would be a way to choose (for example, people with male characters being able to get dresses or people with female ones preferring the more modest long coats), perhaps through a vendor the same way you can exchange Ceremony gear?

If you can wear it, you should be able to glam it.

There are so many armor sets that shares roles already and that sharing is determined in no particular manner.
Sometimes it's tank and drg, then it is tank and melee, tank and ranged, tank and caster and tank and healer...

Only exception would the the AF outfits.

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Originally Posted by Sosotino

A few people have mentioned removing the gender restrictions as well, and I'd love to see that, though I'm a little worried it would come at the expense of existing models. Ideally there would be a way to choose (for example, people with male characters being able to get dresses or people with female ones preferring the more modest long coats), perhaps through a vendor the same way you can exchange Ceremony gear?

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What they could do is release a duplicate item with the genders flipped.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

The real reason they don't do this is likely simple, if they made glams cross role, they wouldnt be able to repackage gear models but with different class restrictions as loot.

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However, they could still repackage the outfits with more variances with accessories added/removed like the shisui set, or provide a different dye setup.

Pls SE at make AF gear usable for all classes in the same role.
If i like to use all tanks all the time, i have to use macros that work only in certain places (witch means i have to tp just for a glam lol). And i'd just like to use m'y warrior AF gear on my gnb because why not ? It's an armor, i farmed for it, let me use it without problems !!

I'm always up for more glamour option. Only gear thats should be locked is the AF gear in my opinion,

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Your energy is better spent asking them to release more sets.

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i think its more efficient to write an "apply to all jobs" condition for the glamour toilet once than it is to fish up old gear, retexture it and then reassign it to another role in a random ass dungeon every other patch.
but thats just me

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

i think its more efficient to write an "apply to all jobs" condition for the glamour toilet once than it is to fish up old gear, retexture it and then reassign it to another role in a random ass dungeon every other patch.
but thats just me

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Because they like to throw the community a bone once in a while with something nice the players can enjoy themselves with.
But it seems this keeps being mistaken as a reason to demand to take the whole body from the hand that SE is offering here with such things.

Hence asking for more options is the better choice.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

i think its more efficient to write an "apply to all jobs" condition for the glamour toilet once than it is to fish up old gear, retexture it and then reassign it to another role in a random ass dungeon every other patch.
but thats just me

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That's not how the glamour dresser works. It doesn't change the rules of how the glamour displays - it just applies glamours as if they were prisms, with the same end result: an instruction attached to gear piece A saying it is glamoured as piece B.