All Saints' Wake 2020

The one where we collected messages in bottle on the beach was actually really touching to me. Got a major case of the feels from it.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

It's kinda hard to say. One year we reenacted the siege in Ul'dah from the last hours before the fall of Dalamud (even including the Great Goobue Wall at the gates), but another year we collected trash on the beach and found messages in bottles. In previous years we fought programming bugs and ran old-school mini-dungeons and other silliness. The only real unifying factor in Rising events is that the Wandering Minstrel is involved somehow.

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It's not about what we do for the game quest, it's about what the festival is said to be according to the in-game dialogue. And yes it's commemorating the Calamity (which at a meta level is linked to the game's anniversary).

Cleaning up the beach wasn't directly about the Rising; it was packing up from the Moonfire Faire and just incidentally led us to seek out the Minstrel at the Rising festival to help us decipher the message.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Actually looking at the Adventurer's Appreciation Campaign, I think that can be comparable to the Mogtome event (since it just grants players bonuses for this and that). So in a way, that makes FFXI and XIV equal when it comes to events.

FFXI's non-real life based events
Blazing Buffalo's
Summerfest
Feast of Swords
Adventurer's Appreciation

FFXIV's non-real life based events:
The Rising
Moonfire Faire
Make it Rain
Mogtome Event

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Isn't the Moonfire Faire based on the Japanese summer fireworks festivals?

And The Rising is based on the anniversary of the successful relaunch of the 2.0 game, so while not a real-world holiday, is is commemorating a real world event.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

It's kinda hard to say. One year we reenacted the siege in Ul'dah from the last hours before the fall of Dalamud (even including the Great Goobue Wall at the gates), but another year we collected trash on the beach and found messages in bottles. In previous years we fought programming bugs and ran old-school mini-dungeons and other silliness. The only real unifying factor in Rising events is that the Wandering Minstrel is involved somehow.

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Yea the Rising is about the celebration to ending of the calamity and the game being reborn from the mess 1.0 was. If you were around for the second one, they really out did themselves with like the 18th or 19th floor tour. They gave an apology for the original FFXIV and how the dev team forgot about listening to the players and such. You got a message from different folks on the dev team and such. It was really cool. Because it if you were there from the beginning and carried your character over you got a different message, and if you were there from the start you also got a different message and each year it depending on how long you been with game.

I like all the season events they are general fun and silly. Kind of sad to see All Saints Wake being canned this year though.

Here is what is said in game about the Rising.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXH2y1x7cmc

As a player you are celebrating the anniversary of ARR

Your character is remembering the Calamity and hoping for a brighter future.

This could be compared to days for remembering soldiers, or specific wars, or specific situations or disasters that were overcome.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Time to bring skinchange with halloween costumes!

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Just introduce glamour prisms for it. I mean, instead of glamour prisms that make you sprout glowy wings or have an emblem appear above your head, make a glamour prism that turns you into an NPC for 10 minutes. Then make those prisms purchasable as event rewards, which—as a bonus—allow all sorts of fun shenanigans outside of the event.

You could have meme runs where an entire raid is glamour-prismed into Y'shtola! And think of the potential for wedding photo shenanigans! ("Look at how many of the Scions attended my Ceremony of Eternal Bonding!" "Well, here are photos from when Aymeric and Ysayle got married!") Etc.

Endless potential for silliness!

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Originally Posted by Nestama

FFXIV's non-real life based events:
Moonfire Faire

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Moonfire Faire is based on 4th of July, just happens a month and a half late for some reason

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Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

Moonfire Faire is based on 4th of July, just happens a month and a half late for some reason

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So you're saying that a Japanese MMO produced by a Japanese company made a summer event with Japanese-themed aesthetics to be enjoyed by players worldwide, is based on an American holiday?

...Alright.

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Originally Posted by Con_Carne

As I've seen here, it seems its confirmed Halloween's event will be canceled, and instead we will get the Gold Saucer one with some of the Halloween planned rewards.

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Oh well I guess it's not entirely cancelled, it's just being fused with something else and changing location.

I'm on the fence about it. This could be great or not so great. Moving the event locations can freshen it up a bit but considering how the Gold Saucer works in terms of its rewards this might not be received very well.

I'll reserve my judgement for when it actually happens.

The holiday is themed around fireworks. 4th of july is the only holiday I know of where fireworks are the main gimmick

The holiday is themed around a beach party that happens to include fireworks among its festivities.

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Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

The holiday is themed around fireworks. 4th of july is the only holiday I know of where fireworks are the main gimmick

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Japanese summer festivals often involve a firework display. Just because it's the only one you know, doesn't mean it's the only one.

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Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

The holiday is themed around fireworks. 4th of july is the only holiday I know of where fireworks are the main gimmick

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This can't be correct... not only is the event never in July (it's usually in August) it also would be the only event in-game that is to commemorate a patriotic event for one specific country in a world-wide game.

It's a Japanese thing, the hanabi, which takes place from late July through August, which is exactly when the Moonfire Faire happens. Also you can see this reflected in Animal Crossing where in the night sky in August there will be fireworks, again to reference this event.

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Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

The holiday is themed around fireworks. 4th of july is the only holiday I know of where fireworks are the main gimmick

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It's a small world, where lots of places use fireworks for celebration. More power to them! https://www.kuoni.co.uk/inspiration/...und-the-world#

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Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

The holiday is themed around fireworks. 4th of july is the only holiday I know of where fireworks are the main gimmick

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Guy Fawkes Night for UK residents, granted that is November but still a holiday(If choose to celebrate it, certainly fallen out of fashion around where I live) centred around Fireworks, certainly would never expect any game to have that as a celebration in it XD

4th July is the same principle, so highly unlikely that Moonfire Faire is based on it and more based on Japanese Festivals, they do however add stuff based on other cultures(Ninja Warrior anyone) but the central theme is distinctly Japanese.

Cancelling All Saint's Wake makes me so sad. It's my favorite time of year, and my favorite event all year long. It sucks even more since we won't really get to celebrate halloween IRL as usual because of Covid...

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Originally Posted by ThatsClassic

Cancelling All Saint's Wake makes me so sad. It's my favorite time of year, and my favorite event all year long. It sucks even more since we won't really get to celebrate halloween IRL as usual because of Covid...

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There's nothing to stop players from organizing their own in-game events as they usually do.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's nothing to stop players from organizing their own in-game events as they usually do.

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Sure, but there's no whimsy of an All Saint's Wake quest or Halloween themed rewards, but at least the later look like they might be given out some other way. Hopefully it will be addressed in the live letter on the 9th.

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Originally Posted by W0rldsastag3

Sure, but there's no whimsy of an All Saint's Wake quest or Halloween themed rewards, but at least the later look like they might be given out some other way. Hopefully it will be addressed in the live letter on the 9th.

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The planned event rewards will be obtainable in the Make it Rain event. Was stated in last PLL

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Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

The holiday is themed around fireworks. 4th of july is the only holiday I know of where fireworks are the main gimmick

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We use fireworks on new years eve in my country.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's nothing to stop players from organizing their own in-game events as they usually do.

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I see a lot of FC's/players still doing their haunted houses and events. It would be cool to see some trick or treating type of thing done in the housing wards.

All Saint's Wake at the Gold Saucer? But Godbert is already there and he's scary enough.

Jokes aside, merging the two events sounds like it could be neat. Especially if we got themed GATEs. But, as stated previously, the event has likely already been fully planned, scripted, and coded by now.

So...and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this and redirect me if so ^^;;
But, I was wanting to get my hands on some Halloween glams, as this will be my first time playing FFXIV through a Halloween season this year, being new and all.
With that being said...where may I be able to obtain the ghost glam? Or the Witch's hat? ETc? If I have to wait next year, that's fine and all. I was just curious more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

So...and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this and redirect me if so ^^;;
But, I was wanting to get my hands on some Halloween glams, as this will be my first time playing FFXIV through a Halloween season this year, being new and all.
With that being said...where may I be able to obtain the ghost glam? Or the Witch's hat? ETc? If I have to wait next year, that's fine and all. I was just curious more than anything.

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So the costumes are handled the same way as pretty much every other seasonal event. You won't be able to obtain previous years' rewards in-game, but instead once a year has passed from the initial time the event ran, they'll add the rewards to the Mog Station to be purchased with real money. So things like the ghost and witch costumes (also there's a vampire cape and a werewolf outfit) are already available on there right now.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

So the costumes are handled the same way as pretty much every other seasonal event. You won't be able to obtain previous years' rewards in-game, but instead once a year has passed from the initial time the event ran, they'll add the rewards to the Mog Station to be purchased with real money. So things like the ghost and witch costumes (also there's a vampire cape and a werewolf outfit) are already available on there right now.

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Thank you ^^
I should've known lol. Looks like I got a few things to purchase; I love Halloween, being my favorite holiday, kinda bummed about no Halloween events this year, but I'm not expecting the devs to pull events out of their asses either with covid being a thing and all.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

All Saint's Wake at the Gold Saucer? But Godbert is already there and he's scary enough.

Jokes aside, merging the two events sounds like it could be neat. Especially if we got themed GATEs. But, as stated previously, the event has likely already been fully planned, scripted, and coded by now.

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The gold saucer should be decorated for many of the seasonal events and have special things going on for each of them, like you said, themed G.A.T.E.s, or special items, featured and or changed certain games. Maybe instead of putting previous years stuff on the cash shop, have them at the gold saucer during the event for MGP. (obviously wouldn't happen for anything already in the cash shop.)

This could go on alongside the usual event and for the first year would mean a little more work, but what happens at the gold Saucer could be essentially the same each year while the quests and storyline change each year as usual. I'm not say that story needs to even involve the GS. It's just a business celebrating the holiday, and would make it feel like the holidays have a wider reach in the world.

It's odd that we have events that originate in other parts of the world but those parts don't seem to celebrate them. Valentione's Day and Starlight Celebration both originate in Ishgard, but the city and surrounding areas are never even decorated. You would also think something would be going on in Kugane during Heavensturn.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

So...and sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this and redirect me if so ^^;;
But, I was wanting to get my hands on some Halloween glams, as this will be my first time playing FFXIV through a Halloween season this year, being new and all.
With that being said...where may I be able to obtain the ghost glam? Or the Witch's hat? ETc? If I have to wait next year, that's fine and all. I was just curious more than anything.

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If you're just after a "witch's hat" then there are a multitude in-game as mage equipment. Glamour doesn't have to come from dedicated Lv1 pieces.

Even if you don't have a mage levelled, the earlier pieces are for all classes. The Lv49 craftable hat on the marketboard can be worn by anyone and is black with a dyeable band.

This genuinely actually has me big sad.

This was one of the few events I was really looking forward to this year. I hadn't been lucky enough to participate in the last one and literally EVERYONE I talk to keeps mentioning how much fun this event was. So definitely not happy with the decision to cancel. Here's hoping for a come back next year perhaps.

Yoshi please, why you do this. :(

The pandemic kicked everything back, hence why the Make It Rain Campaign (normally held in the spring) is happening in October. The work was probably close to finished on it before the lockdown, but they couldn't exactly send the midsummer event to the fall, and the Rising has to take place at the same time because it's the game's anniversary celebration, so MIR got rescheduled, and then there was no time to write up and prepare a proper All Saints' Wake. It's unfortunate, but real life writes the plot.

I just want to know why they looked at two possible events - Make It Rain and freaking *Halloween* - and decided people would want the Gold Saucer event over Spookytime

Give us the old instance to run around for All Saints Wake and we'd be happy. We all loved that place.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I just want to know why they looked at two possible events - Make It Rain and freaking *Halloween* - and decided people would want the Gold Saucer event over Spookytime

Give us the old instance to run around for All Saints Wake and we'd be happy. We all loved that place.

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I assume it's a matter of schedule and what projects they had underway when everything got disrupted. It was much closer to MIR than All Saints' Wake so they presumably had done more work on it.

For all we currently know, they might be reusing the haunted mansion again and just putting the entrance at GS instead of in Gridania.

Alright, so the Event Page for Make it Rain is up. No mention of All Saints Wake rewards, just that the Haunted Manor/Masquerade will be avaible. Something that had been programmed before either way.

(And you know the places to check, no Halloween Items with the vendors.)

I'm a little sad.

Did they ever confirmably say that we were getting rewards intended for All Saints' Wake, or did they perhaps just say that "content" from ASW was getting merged into Make It Rain?

I never actually wrote it out but I definitely thought the idea of including event rewards without the accompanying story seemed like a poor way to cut corners, since the two things usually go hand-in-hand - so by adding one without the other they would invalidate any work they'd done on scripts or storyboarding, since the story is unusable if the reward is already given. If instead they shelve the whole thing until next year, they can still make use of both pieces of work.

(Assuming they had done any work on it at all at the point where they had to replan their schedule, which they may not have.)

So the only new reward is an emote? Eh.

I'm more interested that the pugilist, gladiator, and miner guild masters are in the art.

I had memorized that they said rewards would be shifted to MIR, but that was from a fan translation, so not a proper source.

Of course it's understandable, I'm just a little sad because I liked the stuff. But if Masquerade means that it's not just the Haunted Manor, but the Dress up as well, that is already really neat.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So the only new reward is an emote? Eh.

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*checks site*

"Consider"? Oh hey, looks like it's that emote I was wondering about previously! Cool.

Anyway, Make It Rain has always been minimal on prizes, hasn't it? In the few years I've been here I think there was only the hairstyle (RIP) and last year's Sabotender emote. Beyond that it's the MGP bonuses and the reduced prices that are the main "reward" of the event.

They did say in the live letter they'd probably put some halloween things in the cash shop so probably they'll do that instead of in game rewards. :/

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I just want to know why they looked at two possible events - Make It Rain and freaking *Halloween* - and decided people would want the Gold Saucer event over Spookytime

Give us the old instance to run around for All Saints Wake and we'd be happy. We all loved that place.

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Probably because it's an event based on a distinctly US celebration not really followed in any other country other than local shops trying to make money from kids weaned on too much imported US pop culture (I'm Australian and here Halloween is regarded as "that crass American holiday" to put it politely and ignored by the majority of the population), and with FFXIV being a Japanese developed title made by a Japanese company, small wonder it got the short straw when SE had to decide on an event to sacrifice to get the development schedule back on track.

You have to remember that this is an international game that is to appeal to just not US players but players around the world. An event based on a cultural holiday particular to a certain country is always going to play second fiddle to events with more broader appeal, that's just being realistic, even if you don't throw the added disruption caused by the pandemic into the mix.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

They did say in the live letter they'd probably put some halloween things in the cash shop so probably they'll do that instead of in game rewards. :/

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Most likely that will just be last year's Ahriman mount and anything else that came with it. There was probably food.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Probably because it's an event based on a distinctly US celebration not really followed in any other country other than local shops trying to make money from kids weaned on too much imported US pop culture...

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You seem to be overthinking it. It's probably just about the timing.

In any case it's probably less awkward dumping MIR on top of Halloween rather than Christmas.

Halloween is quite popular in Japan, though only in the last 20 years or so.