Current Dungeon Environment is Extremely Toxic

Why can't you people just be nice to each other lol.

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Originally Posted by Puremallace

Since you asked the Defensive cooldowns are not on short CD's and I go in with the label TANK. When I pull a pack I position them in a specific way facing away from the dps and start my rotations. I do not know if I am dealing with a noob healer or some pro 30+ year MMO healer god.

When healers start pulling ahead of the tank instead of managing say 4 or 5 enemies I now have to manage 10 or more adds. I do not know who is in the group or what their gear level is. It is not like I have RaiderIO to mouse over someone to see if they are new or some raider level geared person.

It does not matter what MMO you are playing pulling ahead of the tank without saying anything is by far the most annoying thing in all of existence. Most tank I know will just let the person die. What is VERY VERY different about FF14 is in other MMO's it is dps who do it or try to rush but in FF14 it is healers.

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Actually, I find it far more annoying when tanks pull three mobs, especially as a healer because I literally do nothing but spam Holy/Glare. Seriously. Baby pulls deal such negligible damage there just isn't an excuse for it by level 60, let alone 80. By this point, you should already be experimenting with medium sized pulls—which very rarely cause problems unless you truly have an... unfortunate group.

Besides, if someone else pulls. Take it as an opportunity to challenge yourself risk free. If you die despite rotating your CDs properly, you can blame the Healer/DPS for catching you off guard. If you live, you've now learned you can handle big pulls. It's a win/win, really.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

Why can't you people just be nice to each other lol.

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Stupid reason, but....internet.

Internet is power and power is like a drink; few people can handle it.

You have bad tanks. Only time I chain pull is if I am confident the healer can handle more then one trash pack. They literally added walls into a lot of Shadowbringers dungeons to force you to stop. Nooone has noticed this really but tanks who are used to some pull pull pull healers appreciate them.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

tank sets the pace. that's how it is in any MMO. the group can request the tank to pull bigger but ultimately the tank has the privilege to set the pace. It's the toughest role to play and anyone who's willing to play the role gets rewarded with that privilege.

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You turn on tank stance. You press the shiny "Rampart" button, and then you play as a DPS

Tanks in this game are literally DPS with damage mitigation. Pressing Rampart while spamming two buttons for AoE(sometimes a third button), does not make it the toughest role

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Actually, I find it far more annoying when tanks pull three mobs, especially as a healer because I literally do nothing but spam Holy/Glare. Seriously. Baby pulls deal such negligible damage there just isn't an excuse for it by level 60, let alone 80. By this point, you should already be experimenting with medium sized pulls—which very rarely cause problems unless you truly have an... unfortunate group.

Besides, if someone else pulls. Take it as an opportunity to challenge yourself risk free. If you die despite rotating your CDs properly, you can blame the Healer/DPS for catching you off guard. If you live, you've now learned you can handle big pulls. It's a win/win, really.

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As someone who mains DRK and absolutely hates WAR, I generally like to hit the adds twice with an AoE before moving onto the next pack of mobs, just to make sure I maintain aggro for ranged physical dps and healers. I don't like it when healers run ahead of me for this reason.

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

As someone who mains DRK and absolutely hates WAR, I generally like to hit the adds twice with an AoE before moving onto the next pack of mobs, just to make sure I maintain aggro for ranged physical dps and healers. I don't like it when healers run ahead of me for this reason.

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Big same. I'm right there with you.

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

As someone who mains DRK and absolutely hates WAR, I generally like to hit the adds twice with an AoE before moving onto the next pack of mobs, just to make sure I maintain aggro for ranged physical dps and healers. I don't like it when healers run ahead of me for this reason.

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You can hit them with an AoE twice while on the run. Use a single Unleash as you would normally and instead of stopping, right after you run through the pack so that they're all behind you hit them with Flood of Darkness/Shadow. You'll auto-face the targeted enemy which makes the ability fire directly behind you into the pack of mobs and you never need to stop running. Alternately, you can open with Flood of Darkness/Shadow as you run up to the pack if you can get a straight line on them all and follow up with Unleash as you run through them. Those two hits will be enough to hold hate even when the DPS are killing stuff unless you have one of those silly DPS that goes single-target ham on one mob instead of using AoE. But that's their issue, not yours.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

You can hit them with an AoE twice while on the run. Use a single Unleash as you would normally and instead of stopping, right after you run through the pack so that they're all behind you hit them with Flood of Darkness/Shadow. You'll auto-face the targeted enemy which makes the ability fire directly behind you into the pack of mobs and you never need to stop running. Alternately, you can open with Flood of Darkness/Shadow as you run up to the pack if you can get a straight line on them all and follow up with Unleash as you run through them. Those two hits will be enough to hold hate even when the DPS are killing stuff unless you have one of those silly DPS that goes single-target ham on one mob instead of using AoE. But that's their issue, not yours.

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I normally do this, but I don't fully trust Flood of Darkness/Shadow to hit all the enemies. So I tend to make sure I hit them an unleash and then stalwart soul just to be absolutely sure. Lately though I've been playing PLD and GNB which I like to be absolutely sure I get them all with 2 AoE's. I've seen far to many tanks who don't do this and I'll end up with the aggro as DRG/MCH and of course they don't notice. Which again, is why I pull the way I do, unless I die because the healer isn't healing me, then when I revive to the beginning of the dungeon I pull small from then on out.

unironically use a max or super potion. while in tank stance itll generate 10x more aggro and might just be what you need while u get to the next pack

also if the healer is ahead you it really won't matter cuz theyll most likely be next to you when you finish pulling so the mobs will be right where you are

If your default speed is a single pull you are a bad tank. Doesnt matter how effectively you stagger cooldowns, how efficiently you position and aim mobs, how little damage your healer has to take care of, how masterfully you deal with mechanics, or how much aggro control you have over the enemies. If you are doing this after level 50, please consider a job better suited to you.

I legit dont even know why you guys are explaining yourselves and engaging with OP. Can anyone here NOT see where the fault lies? It doesnt matter how you say it, how many times or what explanations you give he/she is going to believe its everyone else and not them.

Yawn, next thread please...

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Originally Posted by Frizze

If your default speed is a single pull you are a bad tank. Doesnt matter how effectively you stagger cooldowns, how efficiently you position and aim mobs, how little damage your healer has to take care of, how masterfully you deal with mechanics, or how much aggro control you have over the enemies. If you are doing this after level 50, please consider a job better suited to you.

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i disagree just cause there is the case of not having gear or actually being new or having a healer with those issues. I will however say that if those things arent an issue and they still single pull dungeons with the excuse this is my playstyle then they are lazy, hinderance to their teammates, unwilling to learn, wasting time and extremely selfish

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Originally Posted by SuperSxyNerd

I legit dont even know why you guys are explaining yourselves and engaging with OP. Can anyone here NOT see where the fault lies? It doesnt matter how you say it, how many times or what explanations you give he/she is going to believe its everyone else and not them.

Yawn, next thread please...

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probably but this is a small part of a bigger issue. There has been a complete unwillingness to learn and a complete hatred for people who actually try to learn or help people to learn. Its not that much a problem with complete newbies they are willing to learn by my experience but it exists in level 80 dungeons. people simply refuse to improve according to the games difficulty curve. The shadowbringers job changes worsened that issue and i assume they made all those changes cause they watched a big proportion of the community being on the lower side of the skill floor and assumed its cause players had problems understanding those jobs instead of what is actually happening people taking the piss instead of playing.

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Originally Posted by HeulGDarian

i disagree just cause there is the case of not having gear or actually being new or having a healer with those issues. I will however say that if those things arent an issue and they still single pull dungeons with the excuse this is my playstyle then they are lazy, hinderance to their teammates, unwilling to learn, wasting time and extremely selfish

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Emphasis mine. So... someone who is a lazy unlearning selfish time wasting hinderance... i feel im safe calling those people bad at whatever job they play. As for new players, yes a lot of them do start out playing bad. Some get better. Bad gear is just a lazy excuse from someone wanting to hinder their team. If your gear is so far behind that you cant do your job, its because you arent upgrading it. The story throws gear at you hand over fist, so your first class should always be well outfitted. And i know im not alone in expecting someone working on a 2nd 3rd or whatever class to know how to keep up with gear and how important it is to their performance. Next, you mention the bad healer case. My exact words were "If your default speed is a single pull". Slowing down pulls because a group cant keep up(and you dont feel like leaving) is totally reasonable behavior. Assuming every healer is bad and therefore always going slow is unreasonable behavior. Also note that i never said pull wall to wall or else, just that your default should be higher then single pull. And my final point would be that final line. Assuming you didnt buy a job skip, by the time youre level 50 you arent really new anymore. Having a tank at level 50 means you played it for 20-50 levels and should have learned what it can do. At 50 every healing class has the means to handle big pulls, and every DPS has aoe moves. By that point, there is no reasonable excuse for always insisting on single pulls.