Getting a New House Feels Impossible

A lot of the housing pains right now is due to the auto demo being off. I imagine it's going to be about few months before they turn it back on. Once they do, it's pretty much given after there will a be a handful of plots opening up then about 45 days after the auto demo is turned back on a lot of plots open up at once. Last year this happened when they turned auto demo back on after about 6 months of it being off. It was nuts during that time. so many people camping playing click the placard.

Also as things start to go back to normal somewhat in the world, people will stop/cancel the subs, and housing will open up more. It definitely sucks right now don't get me wrong, just a peculiar time we are in were people have more time to play there weren't able to before.

I say best thing is to casually browse the wards form the city-states and if you see a plot open swing by it. Also don't be picky in your plot. You can always transfer your plot in server (not data center) to an open plot that's more desirable later on. Don't loose sleep over it though if you don't have one yet its honestly not worth the sleep deprivation. that's my 2 cents.

It seems to me that the answer would be obvious for Squenix: Implement an application system.

Have players be able to visit their Housing estate of Choice (Lets use The Mist for this example).

Upon entering The Mist, they can speak to someone or interact with something to "Apply for housing". They would then select one of the three types of housing (Small, Medium, Large) and select Personal or FC. This would then place them into a queue. If this places you 3rd in the queue and a housing zone becomes available within your selection, it offers it to the person in 1st for that size. They then have 12 or 24 hours (I just come up with ideas, the specifics are for the genius') to accept or decline the property. Should they accept, its theirs and the queue moves up, placing you 2nd. Should they decline, it then gets offered to the 2nd person (Maybe at a slightly reduced cost) and they get the same option, 12 or 24 hours to accept or decline. This then goes on until someone accepts.

This gives everyone a "First come, first serve" option so nobody feels like they have to spend XX amount of hours waiting for a plot to go out of its waiting period while spamming the placard with 12 other players, hoping to be the winner. It's a fair system allowing everyone a fair opportunity at a home.

I'm new to the game, just over a month but my FC members and I have become frustrated at seeing plots become available then seeing 7 people blindly spamming the placard. It's made us feel a bit left out of what the game can truly offer, especially since I love designing a home and having little farms to care for (Go back to Animal Crossing, amirite).

The idea of adding more wards is nice but realistically, what are the odds of them doing that soon, let alone having them all snapped up within 12 minutes. I don't play Fortnite because 100 people scrambling around a map and hurling obscenities at eachother isn't very fun for me.

I know this is all conjecture and is "easier said than done" but it seemed more obvious than "Hey look, spare land! Hope you're okay with 4-32 hours of sitting and doing nothing."

Best of luck to you all in getting a home, it seems my choice of picking Moogle as my server may not have been the brightest idea.

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

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Since you are on Chaos maybe you and your mates should thinking about moving to Springan if housing is that important. There are still a lot of small plots free everywhere, even in Shirogane. Moogle is an RP Server and one of the old one. Of course you will have trouble getting a plot there as new char or fc. Maybe even worse than on Ragnarok since housing seems to be to RP Players even more important than for others. You simply picked the wrong server to start as a new player.

Houses are filling up fast on Spriggan. I thnk there is only one left in my ward. When i got my FC there there were a ton and have since bought a private right next to my FC. It's one of the reasons I picked it as a server as well as the Road to 70 buff which is not longer available.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

Since you are on Chaos maybe you and your mates should thinking about moving to Springan if housing is that important. You simply picked the wrong server to start as a new player.

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It's sad that picking the wrong server is seen as the players fault (Not saying you're having a dig but still). It shouldn't be down to the players simply choosing the wrong place, it should be down to Squenix to make sure everything is accessible to everyone, should one server become congested continualy, maybe focus on increasing accessibility in that server. I know its all "easier said than done" (I keep quoting that because people always say it like its the be all and end all) but it isn't all that difficult to simply create the same map and rotate it 90 degrees the other way, like they did with sub wards.

We did discuss moving to a new server if the option is given to us at no extra cost but unfortunately, some of my friends don't have the luxury of spending the cash to do so, having families and what not, so it's a case of waiting, really. Until that happens, I'm kinda stuck.

Think this is bad. Come to Gilgamesh, where 2 "FC's" own over 70 houses. One in particular has to my knowledge 46 houses <<Mew>> while the other one has about 20ish <<Twins>>. I recently moved from Adamantoise due to lack of active FC's and gave up my Medium to do so.

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

Think this is bad. Come to Gilgamesh, where 2 "FC's" own over 70 houses. One in particular has to my knowledge 46 houses <<Mew>> while the other one has about 20ish <<Twins>>. I recently moved from Adamantoise due to lack of active FC's and gave up my Medium to do so.

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They who must not be named will swoop at the mere mention of their estates and literally brag about it. Best not to mention them, they have a history of bringing alt after alt to do so and my forum blacklist already has several.

Patiently waiting for literally anyone to find an exploit to their horcrux and put an end to it.

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Originally Posted by Gula

They who must not be named will swoop at the mere mention of their estates and literally brag about it. Best not to mention them, they have a history of bringing alt after alt to do so and my forum blacklist already has several.

Patiently waiting for literally anyone to find an exploit to their horcrux and put an end to it.

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I'm literally on a personal vendetta against them at this point! Probably wasting time but I decided every week to contact "SE support" labeling it as "disruptive to player experience."

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

I just want two particular "FC's" on Gilgamesh to have all their "houses" demolished.

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

I'm literally on a personal vendetta against them at this point! Probably wasting time but I decided every week to contact "SE support" labeling it as "disruptive to player experience."

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Yes, please waste your free time for us.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Yes, please waste your free time for us.

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Will do BRO! :)

Why does your FC own so many houses?

I blame those jerks exploiting their FC for a second home. Every ward has like 8 of these Dead FCs with no one ever online sometimes next door to this owners.

I saw one house up for sale after my FC managed to get about 5 mil. We were so excited, ran to the plot and saw 7 people from one FC camping it out.

I feel bad for them as they're probably in the same situation as me but this is the tactic they've had to rely on to get the property. I don't think I've got it in me to incessantly tap the placard for hours on end XD I hope to get the oppotunity one day, maybe even move to a new server with my FC when they offer a free move option.

I wonder how many of the houses in Moogle aren't being used.

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

I saw one house up for sale after my FC managed to get about 5 mil. We were so excited, ran to the plot and saw 7 people from one FC camping it out.

I feel bad for them as they're probably in the same situation as me but this is the tactic they've had to rely on to get the property. I don't think I've got it in me to incessantly tap the placard for hours on end XD I hope to get the oppotunity one day, maybe even move to a new server with my FC when they offer a free move option.

I wonder how many of the houses in Moogle aren't being used.

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You could check, my literal entire ward is desolate all the FC homes are 0/1 and the people are never online or lock their homes. Wish I could move to a more lively ward buuuut can’t

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

Why does your FC own so many houses?

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There's probably 100 other posts of why they are totally entitled to their spoils at the cost of community health and happiness.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Yes, please waste your free time for us.

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Do i feel a change in the wind?

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Originally Posted by Jirah

You could check, my literal entire ward is desolate all the FC homes are 0/1 and the people are never online or lock their homes. Wish I could move to a more lively ward buuuut can’t

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You can check? Oh, I might just! Thanks!

Not that it will help in any way but at least I can scowl at the building with justification XD

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

You can check? Oh, I might just! Thanks!

Not that it will help in any way but at least I can scowl at the building with justification XD

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Yea you can review them and view the FCs and sometimes put two and two with their owners and if they’re in the same ward as their personal house

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

Why does your FC own so many houses?

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Which answer do you want? The one for the houses in Mist 16 or the the one for the houses in Mist 20/Goblet 19?

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Originally Posted by Gula

There's probably 100 other posts of why they are totally entitled to their spoils at the cost of community health and happiness.

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Hey, you mind explaining why you spread misinformation about housing without backing up any of your claims. Not that you could anyway, but you know...

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Originally Posted by Gula

lmao no

Ashamed??

It's the NA player base's fault for being greedy, hoarding and making monopolies off a flawed system wheras the East is not facing this issue. Do you know why? Because they don't hoard, they don't buy houses because they know they don't need it, and their concern for what a fellow player wants outshines vanity.

Do not try and act like Square Enix is a child that got crayon on grandma's antique lampshade. Know and remember that it would have been fine without selfish people. Most notably, those here in the West.

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Originally Posted by Big_Bap

Hahaha,

I'm sorry darling, but this is where you are getting fact checked.

1: There are players or FCs owning 20+ plots in the same ward regardless of the location of the data center. Yes, even your oh so flawless Japanese DC... Tonberry comes to mind.

2: There are 32 servers for 280,222 active players* on the JP DCs compared to 24 servers for 321,639 active players*. That's 0.58 available plots per player compared to 0.38.

3: The percentage of Free Company housing compared to personal housing on the JP (33%**) DCs is much more higher than on NA (27%**) or EU (24%**) DCs. But here you are, showing no discrimination regarding who's actually the cause of the situation, which brings me to...

4: Patch 2.38 and patch 2.30 to a lesser extent are to blame for this situation. Square Enix made housing way too affordable, allowed players to compete with FCs and never revised the requirements for eligibility. Personal housing is the sole reason as to why there is a shortage of plots on certain servers.

https://i.imgur.com/rtkS8JO.png***
https://i.imgur.com/BVg43g9.png***

You might want to assess a situation before coming up with ridiculous conclusions.

*https://ffxivcensus.com
**https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...77&single=true
***https://mewfc.com/frequently-asked-questions


Edit: T O N B E R R Y
https://i.imgur.com/V0doq9g.jpg

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Do i feel a change in the wind?

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You flatlined months ago.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Which answer do you want? The one for the houses in Mist 16 or the the one for the houses in Mist 20/Goblet 19?



Hey, you mind explaining why you spread misinformation about housing without backing up any of your claims. Not that you could anyway, but you know...






You flatlined months ago.

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69.32% of all statistics are made up on the spot 79.64 (repeating of course) % of the time.

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69.32% of all statistics are made up on the spot 79.64 (repeating of course) % of the time.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...mHNrxs/pubhtml

I dare you to challenge those numbers. Go ahead, make a fool of yourself.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

So quick to tell everyone they know nothing about you and what you do/how you play and so quick to assume you know everything about everyone else...

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Prove me wrong. :)

1. You don't seem to realize that the numbers don't matter at all anyways; the whole system is broken, rendering your whole argument pointless, still.
How many players are still homeless that don't want to be?
How many hours collectively have been wasted online but inactive by players trying desperately to be the first one in the crowd to click a placard after the invisible timer ends?
How many houses are owned but going totally unused by one-man FCs holding them for "trading purposes" or simple greed?
How many houses are regularly available on any US server to help relieve the strain of house hunting? Not even the old "just transfer" response works now.

You keep making all these charts and graphs with numbers and percentages, but they don't matter at all when the system just isn't working. Even the game makers know and acknowledge it. Why don't you?

The housing system as it is provides players with WAY too much power over other players. The ability of homeowners to hop about to other plots and thereby reset hidden timers on a whim, house hoarding for self-centered reasons, and player to player abuse over a won or lost placard can in no way be beneficial to a community based game.

2. Are you really asking me for my gaming habits and personal info right now???? Stranger danger! No. Just no. Stop being a creeper.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Which answer do you want? The one for the houses in Mist 16 or the the one for the houses in Mist 20/Goblet 19?

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Just in general. I've seen your other responses and I'm sorry you feel the need to get extra defensive but my question is just as it is, I'm just wondering why you have so many, what benefits are there, etc.

I wasn't expecting you to try and flex at me.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

1. You don't seem to realize that the numbers don't matter at all anyways; the whole system is broken, rendering your whole argument pointless, still.
How many players are still homeless that don't want to be?
How many hours collectively have been wasted online but inactive by players trying desperately to be the first one in the crowd to click a placard after the invisible timer ends?
How many houses are owned but going totally unused by one-man FCs holding them for "trading purposes" or simple greed?
How many houses are regularly available on any US server to help relieve the strain of house hunting? Not even the old "just transfer" response works now.

You keep making all these charts and graphs with numbers and percentages, but they don't matter at all when the system just isn't working. Even the game makers know and acknowledge it. Why don't you?

The housing system as it is provides players with WAY too much power over other players. The ability of homeowners to hop about to other plots and thereby reset hidden timers on a whim, house hoarding for self-centered reasons, and player to player abuse over a won or lost placard can in no way be beneficial to a community based game.

2. Are you really asking me for my gaming habits and personal info right now???? Stranger danger! No. Just no. Stop being a creeper.

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1: That's a lot of meaningless words for someone who can't handle facts you know. Might want to work on making coherent responses instead of kicking and screaming.

2: You really need to deflect everything huh? You and I both know you don't really play this game. You don't have to pretend anymore. See ya in another 6 months.

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

Just in general. I've seen your other responses and I'm sorry you feel the need to get extra defensive but my question is just as it is, I'm just wondering why you have so many, what benefits are there, etc.

I wasn't expecting you to try and flex at me.

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Defensive about what? We're very open about what we do, because we are working within the rules. Players are just oblivious about what's allowed and what isn't.

How am I supposed to know which answer to give you when I don't know which houses you are talking about. The goal behind the original ward was to do something that had never been done before on a high-population server and especially not by a handful of players. The goal behind the current lineup of houses was explained in another thread.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

You play this game right? I'm asking because I truly doubt you grasp the intricate differences between personal and FC housing. All of these houses have a fully decked out workshop that is being used every single day along with grade 3 wheels being charged. You should find comfort in the fact that all of these houses are seeing heavy usage, because I sure am able to find (more than) 40 personal houses that are completely barren. Where's your whining about them huh?



Of course it would, that's how it used to be. All the problems showed up when personal housing came out ;)

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

That's your objective take on it. We had no intentions on going back to a ward size portfolio of houses after selling the 24 houses under our control in Mist 16. That was until we've been told, 5-6 weeks later, by a senior game master that we would not see a billion gil refund, minus one, for the game's inability to give any kind of warning that money earned by a retainer beyond gil cap is discarded. Forever.

What would you do if you were told your friends had collectively lost a bilion gil? How would you react if the person in charge of the support desk would tell you that they can see your money was discarded, yet couldn't do anything to compensate you because the game is "working as intended". Make an angry rant on here/reddit? Go on a social media crusade? We skipped all that and intended to make the money back. Tenfold. You can despise us all you want, but what we are doing is also "working as intended" according to the support desk. Additionally, the players on the DC are benefiting from lower prices on airship/submarines/schematics materials and minions, because we can afford to sell way lower than the overwhelming majority of other FCs.



Read the first answer.
https://mewfc.com/frequently-asked-questions

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Are you still trying to say I don't play? You can't post without an account... Know you not this?

You're boring. You can't back anything you ever say and kick and scream when you're getting called out on it. You've had your chances to prove that you do play, even though your character hasn't seen much progression since the last time you benefited from the previous login campaign. Enjoy your free login while it last. Tick... Tick...

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You're boring. You can't back anything you ever say and kick and scream when you're getting called out on it. You've had your chances to prove that you do play, even though your character hasn't seen much progression since the last time you benefited from the previous login campaign. Enjoy your free login while it last. Tick... Tick...

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lol k. Alts are thing, you know. Maybe I don't thrive on attention like some...

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Originally Posted by Yshtola_Cat

Defensive about what? We're very open about what we do, because we are working within the rules. Players are just oblivious about what's allowed and what isn't.

How am I supposed to know which answer to give you when I don't know which houses you are talking about. The goal behind the original ward was to do something that had never been done before on a high-population server and especially not by a handful of players. The goal behind the current lineup of houses was explained in another thread.

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I just don't seem to get a straight answer from you. All I wanted to know was why you have so many and it took you 3 responses to say "So we can say we have done it, unlike anyone else".

You could have just said that and I'd have been a bit more reciprocative but now I feel like you're having to justify your actions so much that you feel like I'm trying to attack you in some way, so you meet me with sarcastic or defensive answers.

I get that you can do what you want but you've proven your ability, if you have no further need to do it and that is your end goal complete, can't you let others enjoy the experience? It makes no difference to me as it isn't the server I use but if you have no further use for it (Unless it's explained in another thread but I'm not gonna go looking for it, the conversation is here), couldn't you let others take some houses?

I'm simply asking questions so please meet me with an actual response that answers those questions, I'm not attacking you.

Please stop making so many forum alts you may actually fill my blacklist to the brim.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Please stop making so many forum alts you may actually fill my blacklist to the brim.

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He's not going to stop. He needs the attention too much and too many people have start ignoring him.

Or he's managed to do something to get the old ones banned from posting so he's forced to make a new one to keep things stirred up.

If only SE would get smart and ban his accounts from the game to stop all this drama he generates. Maybe that would convince some of the doubters that SE really does care about housing. Have to admit I can see why people have their doubts when notorious exploiters like him are free to play and post about all the houses he keeps buying so other players can't have them.

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

I just don't seem to get a straight answer from you. All I wanted to know was why you have so many and it took you 3 responses to say "So we can say we have done it, unlike anyone else".

You could have just said that and I'd have been a bit more reciprocative but now I feel like you're having to justify your actions so much that you feel like I'm trying to attack you in some way, so you meet me with sarcastic or defensive answers.

I get that you can do what you want but you've proven your ability, if you have no further need to do it and that is your end goal complete, can't you let others enjoy the experience? It makes no difference to me as it isn't the server I use but if you have no further use for it (Unless it's explained in another thread but I'm not gonna go looking for it, the conversation is here), couldn't you let others take some houses?

I'm simply asking questions so please meet me with an actual response that answers those questions, I'm not attacking you.

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You obviously didn't read the entire post/didn't bother to click on the quotes to get the full context. The answers you seek can be found in post #64. Please read again.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Please stop making so many forum alts you may actually fill my blacklist to the brim.

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Please stop using your own self-hatred to glorify the players on the JP servers. Your inability to defend the things you write is very indicative of your fragility.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Please stop using your own self-hatred to glorify the players on the JP servers. Your inability to defend the things you write is very indicative of your fragility.

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I don't get the context of that at all.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

I don't get the context of that at all.

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Am I surprised? No, but I think it's funny you wouldn't get it considering you replied to the post that quotes the entire context.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

You obviously didn't read the entire post/didn't bother to click on the quotes to get the full context. The answers you seek can be found in post #64. Please read again.

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You are just impossible, fair play. You didn't even try to respond to my post without getting defensive. I'm sorry, I'm done, you're clearly not open to a conversation about this. If you feel I've misunderstood the post, then maybe it's up to you to elaborate. It was a post I replied to, two comments ago. You said nothing relevant to my post at all.

Every post has been attacking someone or getting defensive and I understand just what kind of person you are.

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Originally Posted by Krunalat91

You are just impossible, fair play. You didn't even try to respond to my post without getting defensive. I'm sorry, I'm done, you're clearly not open to a conversation about this. If you feel I've misunderstood the post, then maybe it's up to you to elaborate. It was a post I replied to, two comments ago. You said nothing relevant to my post at all.

Every post has been attacking someone or getting defensive and I understand just what kind of person you are.

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Eh, it takes someone to point out the fallacies and the misinformation that is plastered around here. It's really not my problem if most prefer to hide when they are being called out. There's a good reason why this forum is being mocked so much due to how little knowledge can actually be found here.

Regarding your obtusity, you asked a question and I've provided you with two different answers for two different instances. You chose to overlook the second one, therefore there is no misunderstanding here.

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Eh, it takes someone to point out the fallacies and the misinformation that is plastered around here. It's really not my problem if most prefer to hide when they are being called out. There's a good reason why this forum is being mocked so much due to how little knowledge can actually be found here.

Regarding your obtusity, you asked a question and I've provided you with two different answers for two different instances. You chose to overlook the second one, therefore there is no misunderstanding here.

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And here we are, falling away from the "dangerous" topic of limited housing that you don't like by getting swept away by awful rhetoric. Let's reshuffle. I could restate the flaws in the housing system and how it truly does feel overwhelmingly difficult to get s house, but that gets us nowhere. Instead, let's talk strategy. How about i pose a question for the community. Say i decide to shout in Limsa, "wtb fc with house. Offering 4 times the price of a small." How would most react? Is it against ToS? Or what if i used FB to try to get a heads up on housing by posing my interest. Would these be beneficial tactics? It effectively bypasses the game system, but clearly the game itself offers no hopes, so would it be wrong?

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And here we are, falling away from the "dangerous" topic of limited housing that you don't like by getting swept away by awful rhetoric. Let's reshuffle. I could restate the flaws in the housing system and how it truly does feel overwhelmingly difficult to get s house, but that gets us nowhere. Instead, let's talk strategy. How about i pose a question for the community. Say i decide to shout in Limsa, "wtb fc with house. Offering 4 times the price of a small." How would most react? Is it against ToS? Or what if i used FB to try to get a heads up on housing by posing my interest. Would these be beneficial tactics? It effectively bypasses the game system, but clearly the game itself offers no hopes, so would it be wrong?

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Stating things is pretty much all you can do before you desperately twist what's being said. That is when you're not outright ignoring any sort of logical counter argument. The last time you were in here on your free login, you got slammed since you had no idea how any of this worked and it would appear that the situation has remained unchanged.

Or what about the offline selling sites that offer gil, not real money transactions, for houses. Can anyone say with conviction how SE feels about that? It seems a touchy issue (because some players with more houses than they could ever need will not just happily, but eagerly abuse it against desperate players), but is it really against ToS? Can we even talk about this in-game? Is it social taboo or actual get-the-stank-eye-from-GMs taboo? Or neither? This is obviously a way to cut through the horror that is the invisible timer for FC houses at least, and a way to forewarn specific players that a plot will soon become available in a specific spot, but is it a wrong thing to do? Morally? Legally?

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Or what about the offline selling sites that offer gil, not real money transactions, for houses. Can anyone say with conviction how SE feels about that? It seems a touchy issue (because some players with more houses than they could ever need will not just happily, but eagerly abuse it against desperate players), but is it really against ToS? Can we even talk about this in-game? Is it social taboo or actual get-the-stank-eye-from-GMs taboo? Or neither? This is obviously a way to cut through the horror that is the invisible timer for FC houses at least, and a way to forewarn specific players that a plot will soon become available in a specific spot, but is it a wrong thing to do? Morally? Legally?

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This guy "Yshtola" literally doesn't care, all he wants to do is come in here and troll. He has nothing to better to do with his time and IRL money than to grief players that want a in game house. In another thread on this very forum, he stated he'd gladly spend $1200 a year in service accounts on this game, just to continue "gathering houses" and playing ffxiv monopoly. If you go onto reddit you can find his post where he's selling his "in game houses" in 7 sets each ranging from 600,000,000 for a set to 840,000,000 gil for the most expensive set. Idk what the hell you do with that much gil, the only thing I can think of is selling it for actual money.

Just to be clear, Ethan doesn't mean me ^.^'