Mentor needs to mean something again

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Lets be honest for a second. No mentor that doesn't enjoy helping people is ever getting that mount. I'm just going to put that out there. If you don't genuinely enjoy helping others you're never making it through that grind.
The crown could/should be changed to a book imo.

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I happen to know someone who grinded the mentor roulettes and got the mount. They didn't really help anyone lol. And as soon as he got the mount he never did anything with the mentor program again. So yes, there are people who don't want to help people who did the roulettes just to get the mount. It's not hard. You just do a roulette a day. It's time consuming, but you aren't required to actually help anyone or say a word. One reason why I don't think there should be any rewards tied to the mentor program.

I agree the crown should be changed. I always thought it should be a watering can, to help the sprouts.

I do kinda wish the mentor status meant more then it does. I personally enjoy teaching others and helping new sprouts, but the amount of "elitists" wearing the crown but doing nothing or being flat out rude is annoying.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

I happen to know someone who grinded the mentor roulettes and got the mount. They didn't really help anyone lol. And as soon as he got the mount he never did anything with the mentor program again. So yes, there are people who don't want to help people who did the roulettes just to get the mount. It's not hard. You just do a roulette a day. [...]

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Excuse my reaction, but... Buahaha! xD

"Do a roulette a day"? I did at least 20 mentorroulettes per day, since they count even after obtaining the daily reward, and still tried to explain stuff for other players as good as possible.

The only times I gave up explaining were these damned Ramuh Ex fights with 7 French in my party, since my broken school-French and autotranslation don't suffice to tell these people what to do.

I hate the mentorcrown with a passion, but as the roulette forces it onto one's head, a Mentor should at least try to act like a rolemodel while hunting the Astrope. (Also, trying to help others when you know a dungeon /fight while they don't should be normal, not special / rare.)

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

Excuse my reaction, but... Buahaha! xD

"Do a roulette a day"? I did at least 20 mentorroulettes per day, since they count even after obtaining the daily reward, and still tried to explain stuff for other players as good as possible.

The only times I gave up explaining were these damned Ramuh Ex fights with 7 French in my party, since my broken school-French and autotranslation don't suffice to tell these people what to do.

I hate the mentorcrown with a passion, but as the roulette forces it onto one's head, a Mentor should at least try to act like a rolemodel while hunting the Astrope. (Also, trying to help others when you know a dungeon /fight while they don't should be normal, not special / rare.)

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I'll admit I don't know the full requirements for the mount. I do know though he did grind it out and then quit being a mentor after that. He was only interested in that, not actually being a mentor. He's not the kind of person to explain things to people, he has no patience with "noobs" and is the least mentor person I've ever met. I know this is an anecdotal example, but I doubt he's the only one who has done this.

I wish the mentor program meant more. I think it's a good concept, just the execution is... lacking. I'm not part of the mentor program and have absolutely no interest in it as it stands now. A great many people (not all, but I would guess more than half) I have come across over all my time playing with the crown next to their name are anything but real mentors. I've seen more helpfulness from people without a crown next to their name. Now could they be in the mentor program if they wanted to be? Quite possibly and they too have just given up on it and help people just because they can and like to. I help people all the time, explain things, answer questions, but I do it because I want to and if I know the answer or fight well enough, I'll explain it. But IMO the mentor program as is, it's a joke.

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Originally Posted by SinisterJoints

To be fair, when has mentor ever actually meant something?

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It means they're bad 99% of the time imo.

Not sure if it's possible, but I propose the program be scrapped entirely. It's a shame the devs have to continue to allocate resources towards a broken system. I'm not sure they acknowledge the futility of their efforts, but all we can do as players is leave a toxic situation. When the penalty is more favorable than the situation, it's time to bail.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Honestly, I feel like they should never have attached rewards to being a mentor, or even the crown.

My friend group is quite minimal these days, but out of the ones who wear their mentor crown, they just like the crown by their name, they're not interested in helping others. Change it to something more mundane and I doubt as many would be wearing it because they think it looks cool. :3

People who want to help others in game WILL do so..even if they're not rewarded for it.

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My suggestion:

1. No visible indicator by your name except when a green leaf is looking at you.
2. Keep the chat channel - no ability to leave or mute it without giving up mentor status for 30 days.
3. Puts your name on a list any green leaf above level 10 can see - and whisper you if you're online.
4. green leaf's able to queue for content can send you invites using that list.

5. Give green leafs below 50 a 'training hall' that can also be reached by a mentor. This would be an instanced building with level 15, 30, 40, and 50 training dummies that mentors cannot use, but see the 'output' of a DPS like meter of any green leaf using them that they 'pair with' to mentor. A mentor could only enter this place on the invite of a greenleaf, and only stay as long as they're paired and only communicate with their paired leaf or with people outside the instance.


6. The mentor roulette would still exist, but it would replace your "level X/Y/Z" roulette but work as leveling does - but with the "level X/Y/Z" reward.

Do that and anyone looking for perks would flee from it. People actually looking to mentor would flock to it.


I'm actually working towards mentor, and with these changes I would keep doing so. In fact I would be MORE motivated to do so if I knew it actually meant mentoring folks.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

My suggestion:

1. No visible indicator by your name except when a green leaf is looking at you.
2. Keep the chat channel - no ability to leave or mute it without giving up mentor status for 30 days.
3. Puts your name on a list any green leaf above level 10 can see - and whisper you if you're online.
4. green leaf's able to queue for content can send you invites using that list.

5. Give green leafs below 50 a 'training hall' that can also be reached by a mentor. This would be an instanced building with level 15, 30, 40, and 50 training dummies that mentors cannot use, but see the 'output' of a DPS like meter of any green leaf using them that they 'pair with' to mentor. A mentor could only enter this place on the invite of a greenleaf, and only stay as long as they're paired and only communicate with their paired leaf or with people outside the instance.


6. The mentor roulette would still exist, but it would replace your "level X/Y/Z" roulette but work as leveling does - but with the "level X/Y/Z" reward.

Do that and anyone looking for perks would flee from it. People actually looking to mentor would flock to it.


I'm actually working towards mentor, and with these changes I would keep doing so. In fact I would be MORE motivated to do so if I knew it actually meant mentoring folks.

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These are really good ideas. I would just add that there should be a "turn off" your mentorship mode for times when you don't have time to answer questions, but can turn it back on so that greenleafs can see it and can whisper you if need help when you do have the time.

I don't think SE would add seeing the dps even in this instance, though I think it's a nice idea to help out new people if they are looking for that.

I agree, people who really want to help would definitely do this. And yes, no rewards needed.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

I don't think SE would add seeing the dps even in this instance, though I think it's a nice idea to help out new people if they are looking for that.

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Yeah. I'd be OK with them even letting me see the icon+name of their actions and the amount of time between each - as they went off.
- That would actually be MORE useful than the DPS. So see the rotation charted out.

Frankly I could use that kind of help myself... :P

But if seeing that and giving feedback on it was what mentors did... we'd have a working system.

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

I agree, people who really want to help would definitely do this. And yes, no rewards needed.

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And I think that's what they need to think about in some future redesign.

Make it something people who want to help will flock to, and people who don't will flee from in terror. :)

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Originally Posted by Arillyn

Mentors overall are looked down upon in this game. Many people who like helping people, advising, answering questions, etc., refuse to wear the mentor crown or be part of the NN because of how many of the people who wear the crowns act (not all act badly, but enough rotten apples has spoiled the bunch). Probably the best way to get help, info, advice is to join a helpful FC or LS.

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Well, that explains everything quite nicely. My friends begged me to play for a long time and I've enjoyed playing. We have a nice FC. It's not exactly competitive or seeking to have cleared Ex content, but it's fun. Guess I'll just rely on friends.

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Originally Posted by frijole

Well, that explains everything quite nicely. My friends begged me to play for a long time and I've enjoyed playing. We have a nice FC. It's not exactly competitive or seeking to have cleared Ex content, but it's fun. Guess I'll just rely on friends.

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Enjoy the game and welcome to it! Not all mentors are bad - they really aren't. But as you've read through this thread, it isn't what it could, or should, be. But if you are willing to learn and have questions and ask them, there are many people in the game willing to help.

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Originally Posted by frijole

Well, that explains everything quite nicely. My friends begged me to play for a long time and I've enjoyed playing.

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FFXIV is a great game at both the casual and hardcore levels. Where I feel it struggles is in the 'midcore'. There's a massive gap between the casual and hardcore ends. If you're trying to get across that gap things can get very frustrating.

That gap is where we could use a newly redesigned mentor system. One that attracted the kinds of people that like making guides and like teaching, and looked like a horrible nightmare to anyone else. Make it so that it actually stayed a mentor thing and not a 'gotta get it perk collection system'.

Mentor never meant anything and never will, it should requires you to beat a current savage fourth floor or an ultimate, but they will never do that because 99.9% of them would disappear and astrope would become even more unobtainable, I don't actually believe you that should need to be that competent to teach on a basic level, but the majority of current mentors play worse than bots, it is the way I could think of to filter them.
Your idea of the icon becoming a watering can would probably make me become one.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

it should requires you to beat a current savage fourth floor or an ultimate,.

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Ability to clear difficult content really shouldn't be a gate for being an educational resource. Mentors mainly need to be accessible, knowledgeable about basic gameplay, patient, and capable of relaying information over text.

All things newer players need. If people want runthroughs of top tier, bleeding edge content, they aren't the supposed targets of the mentor system.

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Mentor never meant anything and never will, it should requires you to beat a current savage fourth floor or an ultimate, but they will never do that because 99.9% of them would disappear and astrope would become even more unobtainable, I don't actually believe you that should need to be that competent to teach on a basic level, but the majority of current mentors play worse than bots, it is the way I could think of to filter them.
Your idea of the icon becoming a watering can would probably make me become one.

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Those mentors would be pretty much useless since they could only answer questions which nobody asks.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

Those mentors would be pretty much useless since they could only answer questions which nobody asks.

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Yeah! What kind of new player would ask questions like when to use a certain skill or what's the most optimal rotation for a class, or what to meld, or real tips for a fight? Real players like us free style samurai and play ice mage! If it's good enough to go carry is through trusts, good enough for everyone else!

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

Mentor never meant anything and never will, it should requires you to beat a current savage fourth floor or an ultimate, but they will never do that because 99.9% of them would disappear and astrope would become even more unobtainable, I don't actually believe you that should need to be that competent to teach on a basic level, but the majority of current mentors play worse than bots, it is the way I could think of to filter them.
Your idea of the icon becoming a watering can would probably make me become one.

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Demanding some kind of a content being cleared for becoming a mentor openly implies that you should be able to teach people how to clear said content. And it's all included in Mentor Roulette. Savages aren't part of it, because it's a high end content that, let's be honest, shouldn't be teached by mentors - their task is to help new players on their first steps, not to lead them through the entire game holding their hand. If anything, even Ex Trials already shouldn't be there, but since they are - so be it. The system isn't perfect (very far from it), but making Savages part of requirement for becoming a mentor wouldn't save it either.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Yeah! What kind of new player would ask questions like when to use a certain skill or what's the most optimal rotation for a class, or what to meld, or real tips for a fight? Real players like us free style samurai and play ice mage! If it's good enough to go carry is through trusts, good enough for everyone else!

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Anyone can help with those, you don't need to be part of the small minority who try to do ultimate stuff.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

Anyone can help with those, you don't need to be part of the small minority who try to do ultimate stuff.

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Yeah you're completely right! A pure healer in dungeons surely knows as much about optimizing their rotation than someone who does thing like savage where your dps actually matters where you have to use your entire kit!

Honestly what gets me is that the most helpful players I've encountered almost never have the Mentor status. I think out of every time I see people offering helpful tips in party or alliance chat, one in ten are mentors. The rest are just average players who want to help for the sake of helping - while many a mentor in the party just stay silent or actively fubar the attempt because they're impatient. Honestly I think the best changes they could make to the mentor system would be to get rid of the rewards, introduce a review system so that mentors have to periodically prove they're actually mentoring to keep the status, and actually provide moderation to each server's NN. Or, and this might make some people mad, get rid of the NN entirely. If it's being treated as just another chat then it's failed on a fundamental level.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Honestly what gets me is that the most helpful players I've encountered almost never have the Mentor status. I think out of every time I see people offering helpful tips in party or alliance chat, one in ten are mentors. The rest are just average players who want to help for the sake of helping - while many a mentor in the party just stay silent or actively fubar the attempt because they're impatient. Honestly I think the best changes they could make to the mentor system would be to get rid of the rewards, introduce a review system so that mentors have to periodically prove they're actually mentoring to keep the status, and actually provide moderation to each server's NN. Or, and this might make some people mad, get rid of the NN entirely. If it's being treated as just another chat then it's failed on a fundamental level.

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Ugh, I hate getting drawn back into one of these never-ending threads, but it's quite an assumption to make that none of the helpful people you've encountered were Mentors. Back when I had the status I always made a point to make sure the icon was switched off, due entirely to the attitude that spawns threads like this and other Mentor witch-hunts. And I know for a fact that I was not alone in doing so. Imo, the icon itself is completely irrelevant and I wouldn't mind it being removed if there were some other way for new players to identify Mentors. Maybe a menu with a list of Mentors in your current zone?

As for some kind of review system or moderation for NN, if SE were going to do that, they might as well just scrap the system as it is and hire a dedicated team of mentors.
Could you imagine the sheer amount of bullsh*t claims they would need to slog though day in and day out? Take the OP of this thread. How much moderator time should devoted to checking chat and dungeons logs because a Mentor "had the nerve to slow ress me at the end of a fight"?

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Ugh, I hate getting drawn back into one of these never-ending threads, but it's quite an assumption to make that none of the helpful people you've encountered were Mentors. Back when I had the status I always made a point to make sure the icon was switched off, due entirely to the attitude that spawns threads like this and other Mentor witch-hunts. And I know for a fact that I was not alone in doing so. Imo, the icon itself is completely irrelevant and I wouldn't mind it being removed if there were some other way for new players to identify Mentors. Maybe a menu with a list of Mentors in your current zone?

As for some kind of review system or moderation for NN, if SE were going to do that, they might as well just scrap the system as it is and hire a dedicated team of mentors.
Could you imagine the sheer amount of bullsh*t claims they would need to slog though day in and day out? Take the OP of this thread. How much moderator time should devoted to checking chat and dungeons logs because a Mentor "had the nerve to slow ress me at the end of a fight"?

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Review system as in 'let's check in every couple of months and see how often you've actually done the roulette and if you were actually helpful', not as in 'lets allow people to complain about their mentors because that isn't ripe for abuse'. Should have clarified.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Yeah you're completely right! A pure healer in dungeons surely knows as much about optimizing their rotation than someone who does thing like savage where your dps actually matters where you have to use your entire kit!

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Why a new adventurer, that just started to play, would worry about "squeeze these 2 additional points of dps" that matters only in savage and ultimate (which is at least few months ahead for them and there is a possibility they won't even do it ever) when they have a lot of other matters at hand?

You shouldn't expect mentors to teach you how to play high end content, that's not their task. Person that does know how to use their kit in common content, like usual dungeons, is more than enough for providing info about basics, which is what mentors are supposed to do - give basics. It's good if they know more and can help with something advanced, but it's not something you should expect, because advanced content is advanced, not beginner.

The system in its current state isn't perfect and there are few ways how it could be overhauled completely to become something actually useful for more people, but Savages don't have anything to do with it and they shouldn't to.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Why a new adventurer, that just started to play, would worry about "squeeze these 2 additional points of dps" that matters only in savage and ultimate (which is at least few months ahead for them and there is a possibility they won't even do it ever) when they have a lot of other matters at hand?

You shouldn't expect mentors to teach you how to play high end content, that's not their task. Person that does know how to use their kit in common content, like usual dungeons, is more than enough for providing info about basics, which is what mentors are supposed to do - give basics. It's good if they know more and can help with something advanced, but it's not something you should expect, because advanced content is advanced, not beginner.

The system in its current state isn't perfect and there are few ways how it could be overhauled completely to become something actually useful for more people, but Savages don't have anything to do with it and they shouldn't to.

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I have a feeling you think that all people who do savage actually optimize their rotation. In reality, they don't but they probably know more about their skills than players who don't touch savage. I've never seen a person who cleared savage say "Healers should just heal!" but you bet your ass I've seen a bunch of burger king crowns say that. In my opinion savage clears should be a requirement because we have a bunch of unqualified mentors teaching new players how to improperly use their skills. The game teach you basics through tooltips, mentors should teach you how to actually play the game in my opinion.

Straight up honest with you, I don't even know what the point of the novice network is right now when FCs are much better at that kind of stuff

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Originally Posted by MPK

I have a feeling you think that all people who do savage actually optimize their rotation. In reality, they don't but they probably know more about their skills than players who don't touch savage. I've never seen a person who cleared savage say "Healers should just heal!" but you bet your ass I've seen a bunch of burger king crowns say that. In my opinion savage clears should be a requirement because we have a bunch of unqualified mentors teaching new players how to improperly use their skills. The game teach you basics through tooltips, mentors should teach you how to actually play the game in my opinion.

Straight up honest with you, I don't even know what the point of the novice network is right now when FCs are much better at that kind of stuff

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Oh no, I don't think that every person that clears Savages optimize their rotation. I saw plenty people both in EX and Savage who didn't knew a thing about their job and were lost if something were going not according to what is posted on "The Balance" discord.

Which is why I still will say it: Savages have nothing to do with mentorship system and they shouldn't to - the only thing this requirement will achieve is cutting the amount of players in system, when we already lack competent mentors as it is. Having 5% of entire playerbase being qualified for the status will not make situation better than it is now.

Redesigning the entire system to a mentorship with actual apprenticeship and separate system of commendations that apprentices can give to their mentors, with some kind of mentors list where people can see popular in the community mentors? Something like this could work. Just adding more and more useless, meaningles restrictions like "recieve 5000 commendations" and "clear e12s"? Nothing will change at all, except the amount of players with mentor status, the core issue still will be there.

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Originally Posted by MPK

I have a feeling you think that all people who do savage actually optimize their rotation. In reality, they don't but they probably know more about their skills than players who don't touch savage. I've never seen a person who cleared savage say "Healers should just heal!" but you bet your ass I've seen a bunch of burger king crowns say that. In my opinion savage clears should be a requirement because we have a bunch of unqualified mentors teaching new players how to improperly use their skills. The game teach you basics through tooltips, mentors should teach you how to actually play the game in my opinion.

Straight up honest with you, I don't even know what the point of the novice network is right now when FCs are much better at that kind of stuff

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We have several new people in our FC right now. Not one of them is asking how to squeeze out extra dps. They are asking basic new questions. "How do I unlock this? What is this (insert item, quest, npc, etc)? Can someone run this dungeon with me? What are the best stats for my job? And some do ask - can someone help me with my rotation or does anyone have a good resource for a good rotation for X job?"

I understand what you are saying and yes there are a lot of mentors just giving wrong information. But I agree with Halivel - mentors aren't for teaching end game stuff. Mentors are helping sprouts, who are brand new to the game.

Another question though - say clearing savage were to become a requirement to become a mentor. What stops someone who has bought a savage clear and has no idea how to play their role in any content much less said savage content then gets to be a mentor? That isn't anymore helpful to new sprouts then having what we have now. You'll just have people who very well may know how to play all roles really well but choose not to do any savage content for whatever reason not being allowed to be a mentor. That just doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

FFXIV is a great game at both the casual and hardcore levels. Where I feel it struggles is in the 'midcore'. There's a massive gap between the casual and hardcore ends. If you're trying to get across that gap things can get very frustrating.

That gap is where we could use a newly redesigned mentor system. One that attracted the kinds of people that like making guides and like teaching, and looked like a horrible nightmare to anyone else. Make it so that it actually stayed a mentor thing and not a 'gotta get it perk collection system'.

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I have definitely noticed that with this game. I come from a background of fighting games mainly so I can totally understand that gap between casual and hardcore. I'm impressed with the amount of user-created content outside of the game itself for people like me who just want to understand what the game is about.

There is a trend in fighting games to make them more accessible (despite a history of backlash against this) and I wish more games would maybe consider having resources in the game to easily teach the basics such as a rotation, game mechanic, etc. Relying on other people to learn a game has it's benefits but given that this is a purely online experience, I think that is a bit tough to implement.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Yeah you're completely right! A pure healer in dungeons surely knows as much about optimizing their rotation than someone who does thing like savage where your dps actually matters where you have to use your entire kit!

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Nobody asks question about savage level combat, they ask question like why people are mad when I only use fire 3 and not fire 1, anyone who has levelled a class and read what the skills do can answer rotation questions.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Comms aren't a definite measure of ability at PvE or people skills.

A lot of very good players don't have that many comms, because they simply stick to high end content via PF and statics. This content can involve just as much interaction, since you need to discuss tactics or strats and requires a greater knowledge of classes. The guy with thousands of comms probably knows more about dungeons, but he's hardly a more knowledgeable player or social expert overall and the guy with 500 comms who raid lead his static to Ultimate Legend is hardly a "bad".

Agreed the craft mentor requirements are an utter joke. Much like crafting in general right now.

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You apparently were not around in this game when XPF did not exist. You had to use duty or raid finder to cross-server party and got to comm players for end-game extreme and savage content. That is still common today in JP.

Regardless, Commendations is a measure of how much time is spent in the game, and I've cleared every savage since Alexander Gordias. I also got a lot of comms for helping clears going back to Final Coil for that matter, and yes that was DF only when it was unlocked. Nice try though.

YES it should. When I started I tried to ask someone with the MENTOR tag about the game and they just ignored me (blocked) and ran off. :( It should not just be a shiny thing for your toon. If you do not want to answer a new person don't be one.

The player base put more on it than it was supposed to be.

What it was supposed to be: Be a decent player. Help new characters understand the game. Fill slots that need filled.

What it is NOT: Carry new players through content

Mentor never meant a damn thing and NN chat has been a general chat channel for ages now.

You never hear the good stories about mentors being helpful. Did you report or kick them OP? If they have advice why did the group listen? Is a mentors word law? If the player failed to do their duty why didn’t the party kick them? The crown doesn’t change anything. If it didn’t exist you’d still get the same players that you did and you’d still be here complaining about the same thing with a different title.

You can take the mentor icon away from bad mentors what does that solve? You will still queue up shitty people who will demand their way. The main problem isn’t them. You can’t change bad people. The problem is your own way of handling the situation. Talk it through, attempt to comply or just vote kick them. Your choice, but if the majority don’t want them kicked then it’s not a problem to some. I don’t understand why this is difficult.

The people here crying about bad people are also the problem. They do nothing to shut them down but cry. Report people and I bet you they will never harass you or anyone again once SE talks to them. Kick them and eventually they will submit. With enough kicks eventually it will get through the persons head they they’re the problem. My advice for you OP attempt to live in peace with others and if their way doesn’t work and they become non compliant, kick them and report them. Bet once SE talks to them they will be less hostile. If they were hostile. Use your judgment and stop coming here to complain if you haven’t put effort in working out the problem or used the tools SE provided.

Bro. Them upping the requirement to 1,500 comms already killed off most mentors. The system is already too exclusive as it is.

Your first mistake was thinking the crown ever meant anything.

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Originally Posted by Videra

Mentor never meant a damn thing and NN chat has been a general chat channel for ages now.

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Hyperion does it's best to generally remain on topic.
It's nice, especially compared to some of the other Novice Networks I see while world visiting.

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Originally Posted by Taybat

Once again I have dealt with someone with a mentor crown who was less than helpful. While I have played this game for five years and love to help new players. I keep running into mentors with crowns that are less than so. This particular one refused to put regen on a struggling tank and even had the nerve to slow ress me at the end of a fight.
Earlier I had a mentor insisting on pulling huge mobs and when we kept dying, he said it was because our gear was too low. When it was a leveling dungeon.

I apologize for ranting. But I feel like simply running a certain amount of dungeons and getting a certain amount of comms. Isn't enough to prove whether someone is meant to be a mentor. I feel like the crown should be taken away if the player is proved less than satisfactory.
There just needs to be a better system for this.

Best idea is to change the crown into an ugly watering can symbol. So people don't get it just for the "ooh shiny"

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Mentor is a trash system. However, funny complaints of yours. I am not a mentor, but I almost never use regen, and what do you mean "slow ress" you at the end of a fight? For one, just respawn, two why the heck* would anyone waste swiftcast at the end of a fight? Complete waste, plus you would get debuff. :rolleyes:

I have been a mentor for a year +, all i try to is a help, if it's not wanted, I allow the party to do their thing, and just do my best. Mentor system doesn't need a rework, I feel it's those that are mentors and don't embrace the role, that do. I will run mentor tag, and tell at start if I plain just don't remember the dungeon. Mentors get a bad name from those that get it and just don't care what it means. I love to teach because I started learning myself, and even as mentor I solo mostly cuz well, people don't like to be helped for some reason. I'm just telling, apparently, not explaining how things work. I can't fix others, just me, so I stopped trying, just because of that stigma. Well mostly, lol, I can't help but to try and help xD <3

asides I fought for mentor before they revamped with 5.0 and they robbed me, I soloed my way back just to be one, because well, I like to teach, I'm not the best but i want to keep a good community.

Just my small attempt to remove the Mentor stigma, because there are those of us that legitimately care.

Gotta say, it's funny seeing all of these I had one bad mentor comments. Go post in tails of duty finder if you gotta rant about one player. Because that's what all mentors are. Dunno why people expect mentors to be any better than random players. SE isn't going to do anything that would and changing the symbol isn't gonna help either.
As a mentor I don't bother posting about all the sprouts who are just mean spirited.

They need to just get rid of the system entirely. It's pointless and it always has been. I was around 100-200 comms short from the new requirements and I'll never activate mentor status.

You can help people out just fine if they have any questions or concerns with or without the burger king crown next to your name and given the amount of complaint threads we see about Mentors, Having the crown attached to your name is less a positive thing and more of a giant bulls-eye on your back from people who have made up these expectations in their head on how a mentor should be acting at all times.

It's honestly exhausting and why you'd want to potentially put yourself through that in a game where you're supposed to be having fun is beyond me.