What is the point of mount drops...

You leave my whisper a-go-go out of this =(

Sometimes I just like to hang out and explore in the various areas. Each time, there's either barely anyone there or no one there post expansion/patch. As others mentioned, there are things to do like gathering, hunting, fates, beast tribes, sightseeing log, and so on. But one can just hang out there with friends or self, too. The areas are gorgeous. Why not enjoy them simply for that if nothing else interests you?

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

And yet you also continue to consider the possibility that there are some people that don't need to do the things you are doing. Not want. Need.

Some of us are level capped on everything. That's a giant chunk of open world time that we no longer need to engage in. What are we going to do? Grind FATEs for mats that don't sell or items we already have? And what tomestones? The beast tribe ones? The quests that take a few minutes to complete and then you're done? Or are you referring to maps, where it's jump from one spot to another between zones until you get your instanced treasure vault?

My point is that once you're done, that's it. What's the draw to the open world when you have done everything each zone has to offer? Stand around and take screenshots? Fly around in circles and gather the thing that the bots will tank the price on immediately?

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I'm not sure how else I can emphasize that I wish there was more open world content. Perhaps it's just that my definition of what that would be is different than what everyone else's is.

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I feel very sorry for you if you only ever do stuff that you NEED to. I mean, I don't NEED to play this game, but I want to. You clearly don't grasp the concept of doing something just because it's enjoyable. I mean I don't NEED to go out in the open world in RL either, I can just use my very basic mount to get to work (which is clearly an instance) and then back home again and stay in bed all weekend. But I don't do that because there are things in the RL open world THAT I ENJOY DOING. I know, how weird is that ...

I don't NEED to gather mats, but I enjoy it. I don't NEED to do beast tribes, but I enjoy it. If I don't enjoy things (like roulettes) I don't do them. But there are enough things I do enjoy in the game that I continue playing it. If you don't have things you enjoy doing, maybe you should go play something else for a while?

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

>Open world
You tried, kek
Also, most mounts are ugly af or just look dumb. Like, flying bed and variety of chairs, sometimes it feels like you're too big for a mount. Still waiting for flying toilet that does fart sounds while in air, that would be great idea on par with bed.
And there no armory to check them all, no mount drops from dungeons, literally 7 recollors of the same mount. As someone told, WoW did it better, you should check it out, it even have mount showoffs.
And yeah, people should understand that 14 love silly stuff and don't care about any immersion

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Odd because I've always found it much easier to immerse myself in this world than WoW. Maybe it's the silly stuff isn't so immersion breaking and in many cases, is appropriate, given the game's ability to mix down-to-earth serious plot with something more relaxed and sillier plots and even more ludicrous ones like the Manderville questline. So I'd argue that some of the sillier stuff is plenty fitting. Even if, they're pretty loose, but immersion is often more about how things are delivered if anything.

Nier on the other hand, I'd understand any argument to say that it doesn't fit, but we're not all the way through to see how they're trying to make that one work. But luckily is a side thing.

On the chairs and beds...Matoya already enchants her brooms, which Matoya did in the very first Final Fantasy game. Enchanting a chair or a bed in a world with a heavy use of magic would not really be that much of a stretch if somebody though it'd be fun to enchant. It's dumb, sure, but people like being dumb sometimes, both in a fantasy world and the real world. I'd expect it's something a Sheogorath type character from TES would do.

People using it as their mount out in the world and seeing lots of these dumb mounts? I find a lot of the time people roaming the world is rarely a part of the immersive experience in an MMORPG. Because somebody could be just teabagging another person in the street with the guards just watching all like, "this is perfectly acceptable behaviour" and people then running around proclaming to be Ugandan Knuckles. Then a hundred people in super edgy demonic armour atop big dragons casually hanging out in Stormwind like its any other day. This I think is just something you block out if you're looking for an immersive experience in an MMO.

But what's not fitting is Gaia's lips. She doesn't look like she belongs. That'll I'll happily concede to.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

>Open world
You tried, kek
Also, most mounts are ugly af or just look dumb. Like, flying bed and variety of chairs, sometimes it feels like you're too big for a mount. Still waiting for flying toilet that does fart sounds while in air, that would be great idea on par with bed.
And there no armory to check them all, no mount drops from dungeons, literally 7 recollors of the same mount. As someone told, WoW did it better, you should check it out, it even have mount showoffs.
And yeah, people should understand that 14 love silly stuff and don't care about any immersion

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Omg YES I LOVED not getting mounts for years and years on end :D We should totally expect people to run savage and trials for 5-6 years to get the mount! Wonder why they didn't think of doing that with FFXIV!

/s

(also fyi, there is a dungeon mount)

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

>Open world
You tried, kek
Also, most mounts are ugly af or just look dumb. Like, flying bed and variety of chairs, sometimes it feels like you're too big for a mount. Still waiting for flying toilet that does fart sounds while in air, that would be great idea on par with bed.
And there no armory to check them all, no mount drops from dungeons, literally 7 recollors of the same mount. As someone told, WoW did it better, you should check it out, it even have mount showoffs.
And yeah, people should understand that 14 love silly stuff and don't care about any immersion

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WoW has absolutely no recolored or silly mounts
None whatsoever. Nope. Definitely not.
Lmao

I mean I love collecting mounts in WoW way more than here, but come on dude :P Blizz has been reusing assets and adding silly joke crap since before FFXIV existed

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ahh, another "this game doesnt give me exactly what i want in the open world, so therefore, theres nothing to do at all in the open world and its all pointless" Malmstrom thread.

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I mean OP is right though - If anything the open world has gotten LESS importance over the years.
Back in Coils and Alexander, you even had to go to the area in the open world to enter it - You had people setting up what amounted to food and pot flee markets outside of the raid entrance, you had people shouting for groups and it was the perfect place to ask for help with strats. Now though? You just open up the duty finder.
The open world features we have are fine for the base game, the base games maps aren't all that big but each area had a purpose - The expansion zones though, outside of gathering, you may only go to once or twice a week once you've finished with the story.

I feel like this could also be said of a lot things in game.
Housing?
Minions?
Gold saucer?
Fisher?!
Old content?
Old beast tribes?
Current beast tribes?

Just because you don't doesn't mean someone doesn't and that it doesn't add to game.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

... if there is no reason to be out in the world flying them?

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No reason... so if I can list 1 reason to be out in the world for 1 second, then the point of this thread is gone?

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

>Open world
You tried, kek
Also, most mounts are ugly af or just look dumb. Like, flying bed and variety of chairs, sometimes it feels like you're too big for a mount. Still waiting for flying toilet that does fart sounds while in air, that would be great idea on par with bed.
And there no armory to check them all, no mount drops from dungeons, literally 7 recollors of the same mount. As someone told, WoW did it better, you should check it out, it even have mount showoffs.
And yeah, people should understand that 14 love silly stuff and don't care about any immersion

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If you like WoW so much, I hear its still in service and guess what, you can go play it! I don't think I've ever seen you post a positive thing about XIV, so why are you here?

I sometimes like putting on a podcast and go randomly fly around in a pretty map, enjoying the art, finding nice viewpoints. I find that art and scenery is often underappreciated in (MMO)RPGs with open world, only to be seen or enjoyed when ingame duty calls for it. All it takes is a shift in focus and I've found that you can enjoy this game much more in general, art is what it's best at imo.

I use my Morbol mount every day

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

You guys act like everything other than fates keeps you in a zone all day.

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A single zone isn't intended to keep you occupied all day. For that matter, the entire game isn't intended to keep you entertained all day.

It's okay to have other games to play in addition to FFXIV if you have that much free time on your hands. Branch out and try some. Most of the players I know are frequently switching between FFXIV and other games in their free time.

In the meantime some of us will be leisurely flying around the open world for no purpose other than to enjoy the views and the music, and having a darn good time as we do it.

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

I use my Morbol mount every day

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Same here.
It looks great in the Greatwood doing the new beastmen quests.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If you like WoW so much, I hear its still in service and guess what, you can go play it! I don't think I've ever seen you post a positive thing about XIV, so why are you here?

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Silly child, I hear "go play wow" for years from people like you on this forums, nothing new. Unlike you, I can critisize and play both games, nothing is perfect. And yes, I come here to critisize, I dont see any reason in disscussion about positive stuff, there is no point in circlejerking. We would still playing 1.0 if people didnt talked about the problems.

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WoW has absolutely no recolored or silly mounts
None whatsoever. Nope. Definitely not.
Lmao
I mean I love collecting mounts in WoW way more than here, but come on dude :P Blizz has been reusing assets and adding silly joke crap since before FFXIV existed

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Do you REALLY want to count how many unique mount models and armor on it they have and what we have per expansion? I understand WOW BAD FFXIV GOOD meme, but come on people, use common logic.

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(also fyi, there is a dungeon mount)

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Same here, do you really want to compare? Using numbers of course, not is "personal opinion" if its good or not.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Do you REALLY want to count how many unique mount models and armor on it they have and what we have per expansion? I understand WOW BAD FFXIV GOOD meme, but come on people, use common logic.
Same here, do you really want to compare? Using numbers of course, not is "personal opinion" if its good or not.

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Why compare number of mount in a thread that questions their point in the first place?

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Originally Posted by linay

Why compare number of mount in a thread that questions their point in the first place?

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Well, we can calculate how many WoW have them as loot in open world by quests or achievements. Another reason to use mounts you already have in zones, if you can farm new ones in process.
Let's see what we get, if you're not a crafter. Time-gated hunt trains, 10 minutes quest chain for "tribes" and uselsess fate grind if you're not leveling alt class, not much. That was the point of this person question, there is nothing to grind, obtain something of value, like more mounts or rare item/armor.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Do you REALLY want to count how many unique mount models and armor on it they have and what we have per expansion? I understand WOW BAD FFXIV GOOD meme, but come on people, use common logic.

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Who said anything about counting? Your complaints were that they have "literally 7 recolors of the same mount" and that FF apparently "loves silly stuff and doesn't care about immersion" because they have mounts that are, in your opinion, ugly and dumb af lmao

I love WoW and have played it for 15 years (read, still do), but come on my dude. You gonna complain about recolors and silliness compared to a game that makes a point to have a "shove your hands in poop" quest nearly every expac and has like 15 versions of the same 15 year old dragon model as mounts too? Nobody cares about the mount numbers here man, most certainly not me

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Who said anything about counting? Your complaints were that they have "literally 7 recolors of the same mount" and that FF apparently "loves silly stuff and doesn't care about immersion" because they have mounts that are, in your opinion, ugly and dumb af lmao

I love WoW and have played it for 15 years (read, still do), but come on my dude. You gonna complain about recolors and silliness compared to a game that makes a point to have a "shove your hands in poop" quest nearly every expac and has like 15 versions of the same 15 year old dragon model as mounts too? Nobody cares about the numbers here man, most certainly not me

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With numbers comes variety, when you have 20 unique models that you can choose from and 20 recollors, that still less variety than 100 unique models and 200 recollors. And I'm not even talking about that this could be an actual content to farm in game.
But hey, this is meaningless if "wish to see improvements" is complaining and numbers in MMORPG means nothing.
For real though, about immersion. It was dead long time ago, when it became just theme park for FF fans. Bikini warrior flies on her bed to save the day, by killing her group spamming holy, uwu. So beds and chairs just looking lazy, when you dont have much mounts in the first place.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

Well, we can calculate how many WoW have them as loot in open world by quests or achievements. Another reason to use mounts you already have in zones, if you can farm new ones in process.
Let's see what we get, if you're not a crafter. Time-gated hunt trains, 10 minutes quest chain for "tribes" and uselsess fate grind if you're not leveling alt class, not much. That was the point of this person question, there is nothing to grind, obtain something of value, like more mounts or rare item/armor.

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Eh, I don't find any mount in either game to be something of value. But if we're talking value, other than mounts looking pretty, which both games have, the other purpose for mount is as a transportation utility. Having to grind less for mount is a bonus for FFXIV in that department, especially when you factor in flight unlock.

I want to go on the open world on my mount, especially flying, not grind in the open world to be able to ride/fly my mount.

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Originally Posted by yukiiyuki

With numbers comes variety, when you have 20 unique models that you can choose from and 20 recollors, that still less variety than 100 unique models and 200 recollors. And I'm not even talking about that this could be an actual content to farm in game.
But hey, this is meaningless if "wish to see improvements" is complaining and numbers in MMORPG means nothing.
For real though, about immersion. It was dead long time ago, when it became just theme park for FF fans. Bikini warrior flies on her bed to save the day, by killing her group spamming holy, uwu. So beds and chairs just looking lazy, when you dont have much mounts in the first place.

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Oh, I'm all for improvements and variety. I don't even disagree that WoW has more to do out in the world, even if it has the exact same "problem" as FF in that the actual volume of activities depends largely on what you personally find fun to do. My one and only point was that it's kinda silly to complain about FF Mounts being reused and silly when WoW also has several mounts that are reused and/or silly. I personally think WoW does several things better than FF (and several other things worse), but I personally wouldn't raise up a lack of silliness or immersion as reasons WoW did anything better. WoW has plenty of silliness and immersion-breaking nonsense.

Honestly I am kind of curious how the numbers actually would stack up, if you actually took the time to total all recolors in both games and compare actual unique model counts. I'm sure WoW would still be higher, but right now it's got a little less than twice as many mounts, and then you've got to consider it's nearly twice as old as a game... eh. Interesting to think about, but not something I'm personally all that worried about. I have plenty of mounts that I love in FF, and I use them quite often myself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OK I get what you're saying and understand your complaint. Compared to other MMOs I've played, FFXIV's open-world content is quite lacking. But I think the approach you went with on this thread was rather rash. You should have, instead, opened the stage up to new ideas of more things we might be able to do in the open world.

For example, I personally would like it if we had more reasons to do FATEs and/or treasure maps. The problem with focusing on FATEs is that if it draws in too many players, it often becomes unfun. I don't want another Fox Lady. I'm thinking more of a variety of different FATEs I'm able to choose from in order to work towards a certain goal. What that goal is, I'll leave to your imagination.

I know this will seem kind of a stretch, and would never happen, but drastically increasing teleport costs and make it so that people might consider physically traveling to the places they want to go, might make for an interesting experience. Or even if dungeons/raids were only accessible through their respective entrances, so that you could meet up outside with other players who are planning on doing them. It brings me back to a few ancient MMOs I used to play.

There is plenty of stuff to use flying for.
Beast tribes
Hunting
Fate farming
Gathering resources
Side quests you do later
Job quests you do later
MSQ that takes you back to those zones later

A lot of the above would be absolutely horrible without flight. Certain beast tribes are even impossible without it.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

OK I get what you're saying and understand your complaint. Compared to other MMOs I've played, FFXIV's open-world content is quite lacking. But I think the approach you went with on this thread was rather rash.

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This was actually the point; to posit it in an almost trollish way.

There are those that will not understand like Valkyrie and reply with "JUST DO ALL THESE THINGS DERRRR" or "JUST TRY WALKING LULZ" and those like yourself that give it a bit more thought than that and understand the obfuscated point I'm making. The other folks are precisely why I did not introduce it in a different manner. I'm not interested in what they have to say if they aren't actually going to give it some thought.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

This was actually the point; to posit it in an almost trollish way.

There are those that will not understand like Valkyrie and reply with "JUST DO ALL THESE THINGS DERRRR" or "JUST TRY WALKING LULZ" and those like yourself that give it a bit more thought than that and understand the obfuscated point I'm making. The other folks are precisely why I did not introduce it in a different manner. I'm not interested in what they have to say if they aren't actually going to give it some thought.

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Sorry to say, but you aren't helping your case when you use methods like that. Also, I spent several years playing games that relied only on open world content. There were no instances. They are great, when server populations are low and you can actually do the content. Not so much fun when you have to fight just to do basic content.

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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I only see 2 pages. And also, the pretty character threads are popular because they are things most people agree on and aren't made in trollish manners.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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And with that, you lose integrity and your approach is disingenuous. How do we know when we raise a valid point you can't argue against that you're not going to move the goal post? Where else might you be disingenuous? Or are you in fact just a troll? I'm strongly now suspecting the latter.

If your topic is not strong enough to grip people, then that reflects how much people care about the topic. You going in trying to be clickbaity doesn't add value it potentially adds views if they come in expecting the title to be reflective of the topic and loses you the integrity of any points you raise and thus is a waste of people's time when they're addressing what they believed to be the point of the thread, which they understandably deduced from the thread title and a post that doesn't correct that meaning now that they are here.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

So you say, but better to put it out in such a way that gets some responses instead of pushed down by all of the "LOOK AT MY PRETTY CHARACTER" threads. I would say 7 pages is successful.

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To be honest: I recall you creating threads about wanting more open world content at least once, maybe twice (and I admit I'm to lazy to look it up) - those were direct in stating what you wanted, that you went through all the open world content there is and so on...

...and what you got is what you got here: Lots of people telling you that they still have a lot of open world content to engage in, making suggestions for you what to try out only to be met with "done that, dont wanna do this, its not enough", then followed by explantions like "They can only release so much content, FFXIV has lots of different kinds of content and has never had a heavy focus on the open world (maybe look for a game that does)".
With that in mind this thread doesnt look so much like (just) a troll-thread but more like "I couldnt get people to agree with me when I said directly what I wanted, maybe if I disguise it...!" - your approach here really isnt all that convincing (mounts are there as a convenince so you spent less time in the open world, instead of having to walk everywhere - if you want to increase your open world time: Best way to do that is to delete mounts from your hotbar), so at least to me this appeared as only a thinly veiled try to repeat something that people already told you they dont really agree on.