5.2 Crafted Gear: Gender Locked Alterations

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Originally Posted by Opalarie

I'm going to say it... I hate it. I do not like being forced into a skirt. Which totally sucks because of all the released sets in this patch, the crafted gear tanking set is the best looking tanking set but as a female, I will be forced to wear a frilly damn skirt JUST because I'm FEMALE, with no choice in the matter...

NO! THANKS!

It's a good looking set. Congrats on the designer, truly, but forcing an entire half of a population into something JUST because of the gender they are is NOT cool when there are options they would prefer in that same set.

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Well, that is your opinion but I like to have a skirt.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Well, that is your opinion but I like to have a skirt.

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I think the real answer for this dilemma is to ask SE to make chest pieces actual CHEST pieces and for skirts (or the skirt part of dresses and robes) to be part of the leg slot item. This way you can mix and match an decide if you wear a skirt or pants.

I know as a WHM main I'd greatly appreciate that since I have to rely on a limited selection of non-robe glam items to not be stuck in a robe/dress all the time since most healer gear is designed that way.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

I think the real answer for this dilemma is to ask SE to make chest pieces actual CHEST pieces and for skirts (or the skirt part of dresses and robes) to be part of the leg slot item. This way you can mix and match an decide if you wear a skirt or pants.

I know as a WHM main I'd greatly appreciate that since I have to rely on a limited selection of non-robe glam items to not be stuck in a robe/dress all the time since most healer gear is designed that way.

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No, the point is, S/E cant not satisfy million of players who would have different preference.
It is also laughable at the best when you can simply glamour it if you dont like a skirt

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

No, the point is, S/E cant not satisfy million of players who would have different preference.
It is also laughable at the best when you can simply glamour it if you dont like a skirt

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But that's the thing. If you like the chest part of a robe but don't want the skirt covering your legs, you can't just "glamour over it" and keep the chest.

My suggestion allows you to use a chest slot item as a shirt OR a robe/dress if the skirt part of the model is on the leg slot item. Pants aren't exactly complicated and we have a wide variety of them to choose from in game already, so if you wanted to go sans skirt/robe/dress you could easily glam one of the bajillion different pants models over the skirt and dye it to match. And if you like the skirt/robe/dress part you can just use the leg slot item as is. It's more versatile this way and while you are correct that SE can't please everyone, they can take steps to please as many people as possible.

Right now we're stuck using the same few non-robe/dress lvl 1 glam chest slot items over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

But that's the thing. If you like the chest part of a robe but don't want the skirt covering your legs, you can't just "glamour over it" and keep the chest.

My suggestion allows you to use a chest slot item as a shirt OR a robe/dress if the skirt part of the model is on the leg slot item. Pants aren't exactly complicated and we have a wide variety of them to choose from in game already, so if you wanted to go sans skirt/robe/dress you could easily glam one of the bajillion different pants models over the skirt and dye it to match. And if you like the skirt/robe/dress part you can just use the leg slot item as is. It's more versatile this way and while you are correct that SE can't please everyone, they can take steps to please as many people as possible.

Right now we're stuck using the same few non-robe/dress lvl 1 glam chest slot items over and over again.

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Except that if the skirt is part of the legs, then it would get disabled when paired with 99% of the tops in game.

They avoid clipping by creating two models for a lot pants. If there's a belt/slash/skirt/a big butt(2b) that will clip into the tops, they create a second model that removes the belt/slash/skirt/big butt. Then any shirt that hangs over the waist even a little bit will use the second model. There's only a handful of tops that keep the fancy stuff enabled on bottoms. Doing what you say might even result in the skit not even working with the top is suppose to. Its not simple like you think it is.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

Except that if the skirt is part of the legs, then it would get disabled when paired with 99% of the tops in game.

They avoid clipping by creating two models for a lot pants. If there's a belt/slash/skirt/a big butt(2b) that will clip into the tops, they create a second model that removes the belt/slash/skirt/big butt. Then any shirt that hangs over the waist even a little bit will use the second model. There's only a handful of tops that keep the fancy stuff enabled on bottoms. Doing what you say might even result in the skit not even working with the top is suppose to. Its not simple like you think it is.

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I fully admit that things are never as simple as we think they are, but that doesn't mean its not worth exploring possibilities. I think that if they went with skirts being part of the leg slot item going forward, they could make those new leg slot items with skirts NOT hide when paired with tops that hang down. There might be clipping in some cases, but at least the option would exist.

I'm not trying to say my suggestion doesn't have flaws, just that it might be worth trying out on one set as a test to see how it works out and if clipping issues aren't too bad, then maybe it might be worth doing regularly.

Anyway, how much is this set gonna cost me because I'm in love with it lol

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Originally Posted by Fourbestintoner

We need more gendered outfits not less, then maybe one day we will get a striking set that won't be hideous trash since females should get cute stuffs.

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Cute does not equal frilly skirts lol. My characters pretty much exclusively wear pants. SOMETIMES I'll make a glam with a skirt on it if it happens to go particularly well with the look I want, but otherwise I lean towards pants. And I think my outfits are pretty darned cute thank you.

Mind, I'm not up in arms about the aiming set. That's a contest winner and I like that they stayed true to it. I also think that female outfit might look good as a DNC glam. But on the other side of that, I would prefer to have the option to make my own choices on what I wear and don't. Other people can frill it up all day if that's their jam. I'd like a little more flexibility to stick to mine.

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Originally Posted by Kytrin

Cute does not equal frilly skirts lol. My characters pretty much exclusively wear pants. SOMETIMES I'll make a glam with a skirt on it if it happens to go particularly well with the look I want, but otherwise I lean towards pants. And I think my outfits are pretty darned cute thank you.

Mind, I'm not up in arms about the aiming set. That's a contest winner and I like that they stayed true to it. I also think that female outfit might look good as a DNC glam. But on the other side of that, I would prefer to have the option to make my own choices on what I wear and don't. Other people can frill it up all day if that's their jam. I'd like a little more flexibility to stick to mine.

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Cute is subjective so for a lot of people it is frilly skirts, for others it isn't. They make more pants than they do frilly skirts but they do both so.

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Originally Posted by Ariane

Except that if the skirt is part of the legs, then it would get disabled when paired with 99% of the tops in game.

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This is not my experience with skirts. The Quaintrelle's Ruffled Skirt is the only one I know of with this problem. Granted I like to wear my skirts knee length or longer so I can't vouch for the mini/micro style skirts, but none of the skirts I've used in my glamours have had any trouble pairing with tops of my choosing.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

No, the point is, S/E cant not satisfy million of players who would have different preference.
It is also laughable at the best when you can simply glamour it if you dont like a skirt

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And you can also glamour if you don't like the pants you get.

I think this frustration is understandable. Being forced into something that you don't like while the other sex gets to have something that to you looks way cooler sucks. ;w;

I understand they probably have other things they need to devote their attention to, but I wish they wouldn't genderlock items like these at the same time

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Originally Posted by RightfulKing

I think this frustration is understandable. Being forced into something that you don't like while the other sex gets to have something that to you looks way cooler sucks. ;w;

I understand they probably have other things they need to devote their attention to, but I wish they wouldn't genderlock items like these at the same time

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That... is way more coherent than I managed earlier lol. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Well, that is your opinion but I like to have a skirt.

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Well, I've had enough of skimpy skirts. At least give me knee length skirt. But that's too much to expect...

So with the release of the patch, the name of the gear came out and I can reference it better but apparently, the female variant of the tanking set DOES become a frilly dress and the leggings a skirt...

This is BS.

Propagating a chauvinistic ideal is stupid. Now a whole series of awesome looking armor will be glamoured over because someone ELSE thinks my character should automatically be running around in a frilly dress and a short skirt while the male variant, far more practical and better looking in my opinion, is rocking the better looking option.

Simple solution, make BOTH available to BOTH sexes or simply DON'T make variants.

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Originally Posted by Opalarie

So with the release of the patch, the name of the gear came out and I can reference it better but apparently, the female variant of the tanking set DOES become a frilly dress and the leggings a skirt...

This is BS.

Propagating a chauvinistic ideal is stupid. Now a whole series of awesome looking armor will be glamoured over because someone ELSE thinks my character should automatically be running around in a frilly dress and a short skirt while the male variant, far more practical and better looking in my opinion, is rocking the better looking option.

Simple solution, make BOTH available to BOTH sexes or simply DON'T make variants.

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I'm all for gear gender equality, but there is no chauvinistic ideal being propagated.

They're just being true to the contest winner designs. The female design in the artist's submission has a skirt. Cutting it out would be going against the design and defeat the purpose of the contest.

Now it's perfectly fine if you don't like how the female set looks and would prefer the male one. But if you made the female gear look like the male set, you'd conversely have people that prefer the female version wanting it back. And if they gave both genders both versions you'd basically have to sacrifice a gear set to make it happen to allocate the artist resources to make it happen.

Sorry you don't like how it turned out, but there are other sets in the game.

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Originally Posted by Opalarie

Simple solution, make BOTH available to BOTH sexes or simply DON'T make variants.

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The winning gear design had male and female variants, therefore the ingame gear sets have male and female variants.

Don't like it? Glamour over it, or try to win the next gear design contest.

Disappointing as it can be, in the case of this specific set it's pretty accurate to the contest winner which was the whole point of the contest. I'd be all for similarly flavored unisexed sets down the line tho.

The male tank coat looks nothing like the male Aiming set OR the counterpart female tank dress.

It also has weird cutouts on the underarms and I have no idea why you'd do that. :(

The one female top without a long skirt (for Striking) dyes weirdly, too

Can someone show a pic of what both look like? (tank set on m/f) I'm mobile bound ):

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Originally Posted by Liale

In this case you can't blame se for the genderlock. Normally you can totally blame them and they would deserve it, but in this case they are being true to the winning design that won the contest.

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It's literally still a gender lock. The only difference is that it's one piece of equipment and not two.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The male tank coat looks nothing like the male Aiming set OR the counterpart female tank dress.

It also has weird cutouts on the underarms and I have no idea why you'd do that. :(

The one female top without a long skirt (for Striking) dyes weirdly, too

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The female striking top does dye weirdly, I would have liked the cloth parts to be dyeable instead of the corset. It's like a salmon pink color D:, however, I LOVE the general aesthetic of that top. My favourite is probably the aiming one but they are all amazingly well designed.

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Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown

Now it's perfectly fine if you don't like how the female set looks and would prefer the male one. But if you made the female gear look like the male set, you'd conversely have people that prefer the female version wanting it back. And if they gave both genders both versions you'd basically have to sacrifice a gear set to make it happen to allocate the artist resources to make it happen.

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This is really the crux of the matter. A lot of players who play female characters occasionally want to wear a dress or miniskirt. Most players who play male characters don't want to wear those. Just look around in Limsa or some other popular hangout place and it's obvious. The sensible solution is to make the occasional miniskirt or dress for females and something else for males, but still make the majority of all gear unisex. And sometimes they even unlock popular glamours for both genders.

There is no grand conspiracy to offend progressive minded people with gender locks. It's just an efficient way to give people what they actually want to wear.

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Originally Posted by Opalarie

I'm going to say it... I hate it. I do not like being forced into a skirt. Which totally sucks because of all the released sets in this patch, the crafted gear tanking set is the best looking tanking set but as a female, I will be forced to wear a frilly damn skirt JUST because I'm FEMALE, with no choice in the matter...

NO! THANKS!

It's a good looking set. Congrats on the designer, truly, but forcing an entire half of a population into something JUST because of the gender they are is NOT cool when there are options they would prefer in that same set.

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You're basically saying the gear designers feeling are Second to your own because... Reasons. Nothing is stopping you from wearing pants under the skirt and nothing is hindering you from playing the gender in game, most given the option to do so.

With all this talk of acceptance and inclusivity, one would think half a thought would go to the content creators... Must be fun watching others who lack your talent, skill, and vision, be so quick to demand changes be made to their designs for virtue signalling, lazy, entitled individuals.

If you want more options, enter the next contest yourself.

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Originally Posted by 3c-33

Can someone show a pic of what both look like? (tank set on m/f) I'm mobile bound ):

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Not showing the female pants here because I don't like them (they're the same short bloomers as all the other sets). The hats are the same for both genders. DRG has similar designs in red.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...04e3335721.jpg

The only similarity I can see between them is the armour on the left arm, and the gloves and boots.

Having tried on the female gear first, I was fully expecting some kind of ruffled shirt in the same blue. :(

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Originally Posted by Tatiana

The female striking top does dye weirdly, I would have liked the cloth parts to be dyeable instead of the corset. It's like a salmon pink color D:, however, I LOVE the general aesthetic of that top. My favourite is probably the aiming one but they are all amazingly well designed.

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Lilac purple seems like a closer match to me.

The mage dresses are my favourites of the set, and the male version looks nice too (but I still need to get Sylviel to Lv80 so he can actually wear them!). The tank/dragoon dress is nice too.

I support locking all armor. No one can wear it, only look at it.

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Originally Posted by Opalarie

So with the release of the patch, the name of the gear came out and I can reference it better but apparently, the female variant of the tanking set DOES become a frilly dress and the leggings a skirt...

This is BS.

Propagating a chauvinistic ideal is stupid. Now a whole series of awesome looking armor will be glamoured over because someone ELSE thinks my character should automatically be running around in a frilly dress and a short skirt while the male variant, far more practical and better looking in my opinion, is rocking the better looking option.

Simple solution, make BOTH available to BOTH sexes or simply DON'T make variants.

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Get to sleep and get away from the forums for a few months, you have been 6 posts and they are all worse than the other.

I've always been disappointed in the lack of good skirts. I often glamour them onto the outfits. I don't really see the issue, tbh.

The gendered versions are disappointing as expected, but I'm also upset that the Aiming set has a gun on the top.

I was really hoping they'd stay true to the design and put the stupid thing on the pants so I could use a cool top but no... dancers and bards and monks use guns now I guess. Hate it.

So I'm hoping they add a couple level 1 all-jobs/genders glam versions someday that dont have guns and arent restricted to gender... it's such a fantastic set otherwise.

Did anyone notice the bows on the females backside, it certainly looks as if it accommodated tails for the tailed races. As for males.................. We get clipped stuff (again). It looks like they put more effort into the female looks over the male looks (again).

For example:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...04/unknown.png

Seems like an obvious solution to your issue OP- next time win the contest yourself and have the female design have pants.

I have more issues with poor designers then gender locked anything.

Most gear in game is horrible tbh. A mish mash of all the past sets combined :(
The occasional piece of gear I grab onto like it is gold (lol), but they are rare.

All things aside, a simple checkbox on the gear might be easier and prove to make a whole lot of people happy while not making a whole lot more angry. It's worth a shot.


That being said its called glamour for a reason, dont like it? find a different piece.,.........

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Originally Posted by Kupenda

Did anyone notice the bows on the females backside, it certainly looks as if it accommodated tails for the tailed races. As for males.................. We get clipped stuff (again). It looks like they put more effort into the female looks over the male looks (again).

For example:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...04/unknown.png

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they are both clipping, the female variant is clipping right through the bow, how can you not see it?

imo the male version looks better.