Can I report people for buying multiple houses?

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You do realise that a great deal of players are alienated by the current housing system, right?

Do you mean raid progression? That comparison doesn't work.

How do you expect people to take action?

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1. The Housing System, as plenty of people have said and will continue to say. Was never meant for everyone to have. That's just a fundamental part of the Housing System. If SE truly wanted everyone to have housing, they would've gone for Instanced from the get-go. Not the ward style it currently has and will continue to promote. While yes, plenty of people don't get the chance currently, that isn't to say they have lost their chance all-together. Demolition System is the reason for that.

2.No. I don't mean Raid Progression. Please read the ENTIRETY of what I stated, as I even point out I was talking about "House progression" a-la Free Company Workshop content. You know, the only ACTUAL reason to have a house?

3. How do I expect people to take action? Preferably by doing research and learning why things are the way they are, before demanding for change. I'm not saying this thread in particular has that issue, but plenty of other threads that have screamed and clamored for things to change, did so with invalid information and refused to learn the truth. Holding to their guns and attacking anyone that tried to give them the proper info. That isn't to say every thread is doing that. Just that some threads certainly take a lot of liberties with crying about not having a house, despite stating they aren't trying to get one. They just want one GIVEN to them.

I can understand why threads like these exist. But I still fall back onto my original mentality of "People are putting way too much weight on a virtual plot of land." and ignoring the unspoken contract you sign with your blood to KEEP that land. The commitment to maintain that virtual plot getting to some people, which is why the "Pro apartment" group has sprouted to such a high number recently.

"What contract?" Glad you asked!
By purchasing land, you have a month to put a house on it. No big deal there. But you have to enter said house once every 30 days, unless it gets slapped with the Demo-timer. That doesn't sound all too bad on paper, but when it comes to the two to three month lulls of content, it may start to become more of a chore to keep your subscription up, just to log in, enter your house and reset the timer. At that point you're not playing the game, you're not doing anything or progressing anything. You're just keeping your house until the next content drop, when your playtime goes back to normal.

I say this because not everyone wants to get every class to 80, complete eureka, do savage and ultimate raids, always aim for the best gear and do beast tribes. Sometimes people just want to do dungeons, do the story and then go inactive until the next patch. Nothing wrong with that playstyle, but they would rather like to avoid losing something they worked hard to get. Even if it costs them more $ and maybe 5 minutes every two weeks.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

The Housing System, as plenty of people have said and will continue to say. Was never meant for everyone to have. That's just a fundamental part of the Housing System. If SE truly wanted everyone to have housing, they would've gone for Instanced from the get-go. Not the ward style it currently has and will continue to promote. While yes, plenty of people don't get the chance currently, that isn't to say they have lost their chance all-together. Demolition System is the reason for that.

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How quickly you run away from your "alienating the playerbase" argument when I use the same argument against you, and then basically say "SE intend for some of the playerbase to be alienated" to support the current situation.

So which is it? Is alienating the playerbase bad or not?

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Originally Posted by Kenky

No. I don't mean Raid Progression. Please read the ENTIRETY of what I stated, as I even point out I was talking about "House progression" a-la Free Company Workshop content. You know, the only ACTUAL reason to have a house?

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Interesting. You essentially say people don't need a private house for any form of progression, as a way to make it look as if these players do not need a house unless they are a fc...

...which then begs the questions: what sort of progress do house hoarders get from their houses? How is their personal progress anymore legitimate than another player's personal progress from one personal house?

And there is no way all these hoarders lead multiple different distinct fcs (note I say distinct, shell or sub fcs branching from or only existing to support another main fc do not count). I lead a fc myself, and having just one to look after is a lot of work. The amount of people who lead more than one distinct fc is incredibly small, for reasons I hope I don't need to explain.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

How do I expect people to take action? Preferably by doing research and learning why things are the way they are, before demanding for change.

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Many people complain while being perfectly aware of how it works. Also keep in mind how SE have still not updated the housing section of the lodestone, which actually gives out of date information about purchasing restrictions. So it's not as if SE make it super easy to get completely updated about it. Players literally cannot get all the factual information from an official source. So sometimes it's not really fair to complain that they get some things wrong.

Also just because a person isn't aware of every last detail of the system doesn't mean they're wrong when they say something about it is bad.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Just that some threads certainly take a lot of liberties with crying about not having a house, despite stating they aren't trying to get one. They just want one GIVEN to them.

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I have rarely seen people outright say they're not trying to get a house, but want it handed to them.

The majority of the threads like this one are from disgruntled players who are sick of camping placards only to lose the plot to a bot or someone relocating. Others are from people who wonder why a system allows hoarding when the very limited space is full while a large number of players cannot get a house. Some are from players like me who are sorted with housing but still think the system is awful. And then you have people like OP, who look at a situation and think "no way can this be allowed, this is ridiculous" and then to their shock they find that it is permitted. None of those qualify as "just want one given to them"

Focusing on a minority who have actually said they want something for nothing doesn't discredit those who want their work to result in something instead of nothing. I know this isn't what you said, but I can't help but you feel you highlight this minority as a way to make everyone who dislikes the current situation to appear entitled.

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record: instanced housing would literally fix everything while allowing house hoarders to continue hoarding in peace. But I feel I must add something to this often repeated statement of mine...

...I have noticed some of those who champion the rights of house hoarders rarely show support for instanced housing. This makes me inclined to think that some of them not only want to hang on to all their houses, but they also want to hang on to the prestige of having a large amount of a limited resource.

Have you purchased your account at level 80 to post on here? For someone that sure likes to spout so much nonsense about housing, you once again demonstrate how little you actually know about all this.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record: instanced housing would literally fix everything while allowing house hoarders to continue hoarding in peace.

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No joke. SE wouldn't even have to create an instanced housing system from scratch. They could build on what they already have with apartments and add on some purchasable upgrades to allow more of the amenities of a house. And on that note, workshops for FCs don't even need to be tied to houses. They're a separate instance, and SE could allow access to them from other sources (grand companies, Cid's workshop in Mor Dhona, etc). It would require a bit of tweaking, but I don't think it would be a lot of overhead.

I understand the argument that SE intends housing to be a limited resource that not all of the playerbase owns. That's a fine stance on its own, but if that IS the intention, SE would be well served to take the few pieces of gameplay that are gated behind it (ie: workshops, crossbreeding, and the aetherial wheels) and allow access to them from elsewhere.

the same people always rush to the defense of owning multiple plots because they themselves do it. they just come onto these threads to stir the pot and talk condescendingly down to the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Brynne

No joke. SE wouldn't even have to create an instanced housing system from scratch. They could build on what they already have with apartments and add on some purchasable upgrades to allow more of the amenities of a house. And on that note, workshops for FCs don't even need to be tied to houses. They're a separate instance, and SE could allow access to them from other sources (grand companies, Cid's workshop in Mor Dhona, etc). It would require a bit of tweaking, but I don't think it would be a lot of overhead.

I understand the argument that SE intends housing to be a limited resource that not all of the playerbase owns. That's a fine stance on its own, but if that IS the intention, SE would be well served to take the few pieces of gameplay that are gated behind it (ie: workshops, crossbreeding, and the aetherial wheels) and allow access to them from elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

the same people always rush to the defense of owning multiple plots because they themselves do it. they just come onto these threads to stir the pot and talk condescendingly down to the rest of us.

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Yeah, I can only describe the housing as a Sales-gimmick to create artificial lock-in, as in, "Oh, I really need to take a break from the game and suspend my subscription, but I don't want to lose that Medium/Large house that I have."

And likewise for Small home owners, they're strung along with the faint hope that a Medium will open up. But each ward has a total of 30 houses, with the ratio of S/M/L being 20/7/3. This implies that SE Sales considers multiple home ownership to be a double bonus because it totally locks people into paying ongoing subscriptions.

In other words, if you own a plot, or want a plot, SE has you by the lala's. If there's any bright side to the matter, it's that multiple home owners have the most wretched position because they are completely locked into their subscriptions.

I am hoping SE uses ishgard as a base for instanced housing and even goes so far to have a limited "free house" for players while still maintaining the other wards so people can flaunt their 10 houses while I happily sip tea in my little dinky abode.

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Originally Posted by Bravely_Default

I am hoping SE uses ishgard as a base for instanced housing and even goes so far to have a limited "free house" for players while still maintaining the other wards so people can flaunt their 10 houses while I happily sip tea in my little dinky abode.

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The proof will be in the pudding. If Ishgard has instanced housing that provides enough to meet demand, then SE devs are seeking to improve the game experience. Otherwise, SE Sales are intentionally manipulating the game mechanics to create artificial scarcity that locks people into paying subscriptions, even when such players would like a break from the game.

If it proves the latter, with Ishgard essentially being more of the same housing mechanics, then this means that SE Sales has done an analysis (probably by watching the numbers of people hunting for plots, and collecting stats based upon predictable MMO subscriber traits), and estimated how much additional static plots are needed in order to lock in an additional X subscribers.

I would say that, since SE does absolutely nothing about multiple plot ownership, the entire state of the game is intentional, and Ishgard is going to be more of the same. The positive side is that subscription income will be improved, which helps to keep ffxiv servers running.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

How quickly you run away from your "alienating the playerbase" argument when I use the same argument against you, and then basically say "SE intend for some of the playerbase to be alienated" to support the current situation.

So which is it? Is alienating the playerbase bad or not?

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If SE truly did intend for some people to be alienated, then the Auto-demo timer wouldn't be a thing. Previously, it was because server burden was too much to be able to handle more housing and since then, they're working on adding more wards. But even then, when they added new wards and explicitly stated "You can only relocate or buy as an FC house in these new wards", people complained and intentionally avoided that notice and not only that, but some even began to say that public housing was the root of the problem.

Let's go back to when Shirogane was released. 18 wards of FC-only plots for a noticably long amount of time. Barely any plots got snatched up (with the exception of a handful of servers here and there) and it only filled, once the public wall was taken down. Wards 19 - 21 then, offered relocation to expand on space in the other 18 wards and again, not many people flocked to it. Barely any FCs took advantage that they were given, only to cry about re-locators because they took too long.

In the end, yes. Some people aren't going to get a house At present. But you don't lose your ability to get one purely because there isn't any being sold right now. There's always tomorrow and the Demo-Timer, as much as people may dislike it, actually helps keep some form of availability.

Instanced housing would fix the issues, yes. But we already have a form of Instanced housing and people vehemently despise it, purely because it's "Not as good" as a ward house. If SE fully went to Instanced Housing in 5.2, would people actually like it? Where it stands now, I doubt it. Purely because of the lack of gardening and whatever other reason people clamor for these days. But when given the option, very rarely do they use it. Plenty of FCs (On mateus at least) who have openly stated they were going to use every inch of their new plot to make up for the cost simply stopped using it after a few days.

"Interesting. You essentially say people don't need a private house for any form of progression, as a way to make it look as if these players do not need a house unless they are a fc..."

I do, because as an owner of a private house, there's little for me to actually do IN the house besides decorate it to my personal tastes. I know I'm a hypocrite in that regard and I accept that, since there's little reason for me to defend my position when, nine times out of ten, I am aware I'm in the wrong. But my point does stand. There is (from a gameplay side) nothing to do in a personal house beside decorate. That may be enough for plenty of people, I know it is for me. But I also know that a few FCs have gotten.. Shall we say 'less than friendly' when it comes to losing the plot to a private-buyer? It's not very common, but it's happened enough to be tired of it. Plenty of people have been sent unsavory whispers and chat messages because they have a plot and the FC members don't.

And I'm not saying the hoarders are safe from blame or hate. Far from, I'm merely stating that, when the hoarders purchased the land they have now, they did through legitimate channels and, to SE's eyes, are doing nothing wrong. Sure, the fact that they are grandfathered in to the old system (though I am unsure if that still remains, mind!) does suck quite a fair degree. But there is little else one can do as I doubt SE will actively take away the plots they have legitimately obtained, to appease a crowd that may not play the game after a few months.

With the people that own housing, they need to remain active in the games eyes in order to maintain ownership. That guarantees SE some form of cash. SE is a company at the end of the day and if it can do anything to ensure a little bit more fills their coffers, then they'll do it without hesitation. SE isn't evil or malicious in that regard, either. They're just doing what they have to in order to pay their employees. I would love to see everyone get a house at the end of the day, but I do not want it to come at the cost of other systems being neglected or, worse.. People losing their jobs to make up for server costs. (Rather extreme, but still a scenario I doubt many people want played out)

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Originally Posted by Kenky

And I'm not saying the hoarders are safe from blame or hate. Far from, I'm merely stating that, when the hoarders purchased the land they have now, they did through legitimate channels and, to SE's eyes, are doing nothing wrong. Sure, the fact that they are grandfathered in to the old system (though I am unsure if that still remains, mind!) does suck quite a fair degree. But there is little else one can do as I doubt SE will actively take away the plots they have legitimately obtained, to appease a crowd that may not play the game after a few months.

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just gonna point out that at least one person out there (posted in this thread, in fact) has not done it through grandfathering and has instead bought out an entire ward within the last few months using an FC ownership loophole.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

just gonna point out that at least one person out there (posted in this thread, in fact) has not done it through grandfathering and has instead bought out an entire ward within the last few months using an FC ownership loophole.

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Imagine being so out of touch that you refuse to believe there is no loophole or even a restriction on FC housing. Broken record.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Imagine being so out of touch that you refuse to believe there is no loophole or even a restriction on FC housing. Broken record.

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you're the only broken record around here dude ‾\_(ツ)_/‾

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

you're the only broken record around here dude ‾\_(ツ)_/‾

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I feel sorry to see people filled with hatred, especially when it's based on a fallacy. You're so deep into it that you can't even come up with a reply. Might want to work on your comebacks by the way.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

I feel sorry to see people filled with hatred, especially when it's based on a fallacy. You're so deep into it that you can't even come up with a reply. Might want to work on your comebacks by the way.

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I don't see any fallacies around here on my part. And how can anyone tell I'm filled with hatred? That's literally the last thing anyone I know would describe me as being filled with. Anyway I've given up on comebacks with you because there's no reasoning with you, as your justification for buying an entire ward has proven.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

I don't see any fallacies around here on my part. And how can anyone tell I'm filled with hatred? That's literally the last thing anyone I know would describe me as being filled with. Anyway I've given up on comebacks with you because there's no reasoning with you, as your justification for buying an entire ward has proven.

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Why you ask, that's a funny one. Given your posting history, you should know by now that there is no loophole involving housing. Or maybe you do know, but it doesn't matter. The bottom line is that you are propagating a myth and have shown 0 interest in correcting that thus far. So what is it? Bitterness? Envy?

I mean, literally look at your signature. You think doing that ain't exploiting a loophole in the system? A loophole is literally defined as an omission or ambiguity in text that allows an evasion of the intended purpose, and I'm pretty sure owning an entire ward and thensome was not something the devs intended people to be able to do after they implemented changes to the system specifically preventing people from doing so.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

I mean, literally look at your signature. You think doing that ain't exploiting a loophole in the system? A loophole is literally defined as an omission or ambiguity in text that allows an evasion of the intended purpose, and I'm pretty sure owning an entire ward and thensome was not something the devs intended people to be able to do after they implemented changes to the system specifically preventing people from doing so.

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Square Enix hasn't tried to prevent players from owning more than one FC house except for two weeks. Two weeks... out of the 323 weeks since housing was first introduced. What you call a "loophole" is merely your own interpretation of what the rules should be. Too bad Square Enix obviously disagrees with your opinion. The minority of 2 digits house owners is totally acting within the rules and doesn't need to bypass or transfer leadership around in order to own more than 1 FC house. The truth is that you hate it, which is fine I guess, but there is no reason to be disingenuous and twist the reality to make up false facts.

and I feel like in those two weeks they probably found an issue in FC inheritance and that's why they reverted it. If they wanted people to own an absurd amount of houses then wouldn't personals still be able to be owned on alts? You wouldn't have to go through the process of getting multiple FCs across multiple accounts (and you cannot tell me that you don't have multiple accounts considering your ownership right there).

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

and I feel like in those two weeks they probably found an issue in FC inheritance and that's why they reverted it. If they wanted people to own an absurd amount of houses then wouldn't personals still be able to be owned on alts? You wouldn't have to go through the process of getting multiple FCs across multiple accounts (and you cannot tell me that you don't have multiple accounts considering your ownership right there).

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An "issue" that strangely coincides with the end of the moratorium on personal housing. :rolleyes:

To me, it looks like they had no good metrics and decided to play it safe. If they didn't want people to "own an absurd amount" of FC houses, they would have done something about it a long time ago since players have been doing it since 2.1

Personal housing is an entire different thing. There are over 700,000 players that are active enough and qualify to purchase a house, compared to slightly over 100,000 FCs. It's quite obvious that personal housing is the problem when there's slightly more than 350,000 plots and it is most likely why the temporary restriction is only effective for personal housing. Not to mention that personal housing is inherently inferior to FC housing and that FC housing isn't as easily obtainable as spending 20$ to get a boosted character. Oh by the way, Square Enix encourages players to use more than 1 service account because they allow you to stack them on the same SE account.

In your own words,

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

Oh by the way, Square Enix encourages players to use more than 1 service account because they allow you to stack them on the same SE account.

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I'm not certain that point is relevant because it could just as easily be someone that is paying subscriptions for family members. For example, my retired mother has grown quite keen watching me play, so it looks like I'll be getting her a subscription.

No need, just focus on decorating your own residence.

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Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire

I'm not certain that point is relevant because it could just as easily be someone that is paying subscriptions for family members. For example, my retired mother has grown quite keen watching me play, so it looks like I'll be getting her a subscription.

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You're the one bringing irrelevant hypothetical scenarios, I'm only pointing out that SE encourages players to do so. Try harder?

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Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire

I'm not certain that point is relevant because it could just as easily be someone that is paying subscriptions for family members. For example, my retired mother has grown quite keen watching me play, so it looks like I'll be getting her a subscription.

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This feature is there for the convenience of a person paying for multiple subs for multiple people, and so parents can have more control over the accounts of their children. Just because it also enables a person to manage multiple accounts of their own, that only they use, does not mean that this was the intention behind it.

But we got some people whose mindset is "if I'm able to do something, it must mean that this is what it is for" because they will grasp at any reason to avoid being held accountable when their activities negatively affect someone else.

I'm sure I'm going to get some lovely responses to this. Well those of you who want to respond because what I say goes against how you think things work...I have heard all your arguments before and you have heard all of mine. I have nothing more to add than what I already said to you many times before in this thread or others similar to this. Neither of us will back down. I'm not going to get baited into a back and forth of pointless debates again.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

This feature is there for the convenience of a person paying for multiple subs for multiple people, and so parents can have more control over the accounts of their children. Just because it also enables a person to manage multiple accounts of their own, that only they use, does not mean that this was the intention behind it.

But we got some people whose mindset is "if I'm able to do something, it must mean that this is what it is for" because they will grasp at any reason to avoid being held accountable when their activities negatively affect someone else.

I'm sure I'm going to get some lovely responses to this. Well those of you who want to respond because what I say goes against how you think things work...I have heard all your arguments before and you have heard all of mine. I have nothing more to add than what I already said to you many times before in this thread or others similar to this. Neither of us will back down. I'm not going to get baited into a back and forth of pointless debates again.

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Oh, sure. I knew what you had meant. It's like when there's a game bug that needs fixing, and people (er, children) exploit the hell out of it, saying, "But that's how the game was designed; I'm just playing the game."

But you can't argue that SE provides the service in order to entice what is essentially overuse of the game (i.e., a single player getting so enthusiastic with their space time, that they maintain multiple accounts).

I was aware that the common usage would be for parents paying for their childrens' subscriptions; I merely cited my mother's example because it's a twist on this.

Anyhoo, the main point is that a minority of people exploit game mechanics to buy multiple houses, without concern for the inconvenience to other players (i.e., zero availability to obtain the plot that one considers good for how they would like to play). And unless SE introduces a means of spawning wards to accomodate demand, then it is quite plain that SE Sales set up this situation intentionally, and don't want to change it because they know they can sucker (er, lock) people into maintaining their subscriptions.

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Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire

Oh, sure. I knew what you had meant. It's like when there's a game bug that needs fixing, and people (er, children) exploit the hell out of it, saying, "But that's how the game was designed; I'm just playing the game."

But you can't argue that SE provides the service in order to entice what is essentially overuse of the game (i.e., a single player getting so enthusiastic with their space time, that they maintain multiple accounts).

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Yea I don't deny it, I just don't think it's an excuse to go crazy hoarding with houses. I really hope SE allows alts to have access to the same private home as a main soon. That would at least reduce the incentive to hoard somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Tohe-Spidhire

Anyhoo, the main point is that a minority of people exploit game mechanics to buy multiple houses, without concern for the inconvenience to other players (i.e., zero availability to obtain the plot that one considers good for how they would like to play). And unless SE introduces a means of spawning wards to accomodate demand, then it is quite plain that SE Sales set up this situation intentionally, and don't want to change it because they know they can sucker (er, lock) people into maintaining their subscriptions.

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While I would think it would be great for wards to be created on demand, that would result in people complaining about something else; very few mediums and mansions. Ideally all plots should be able to have any house size you want but SE would have to create brand new wards to do this.

That being said, once again I say that proper instanced housing would fix all the issues surrounding acquisition as well as getting your desired plot size and location. But at this point it's just a dream. The Ishgard rebuild looks like more of the same, so far.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

While I would think it would be great for wards to be created on demand, that would result in people complaining about something else; very few mediums and mansions. Ideally all plots should be able to have any house size you want but SE would have to create brand new wards to do this.

That being said, once again I say that proper instanced housing would fix all the issues surrounding acquisition as well as getting your desired plot size and location. But at this point it's just a dream. The Ishgard rebuild looks like more of the same, so far.

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Out of curiosity, I skim the available housing, and observe that small plots come available a few times per week. They're snatched up within hours, which is probably why some people are given the impression that there is never anything available. But as I've said before, if you look at the ratio of S:M:L being 20/7/3 per ward, it's obvious that the system is skewed towards small plot availability, never mind the price differences.

An easy solution would be to remove the restrictions on number of gardens per plot, the workshop restriction, and the ability to have private chambers within your house. However, with respect to garden and workshop restrictions, something that occurs to me is that the increased availability of crops, and doing airship quests (to get rewards) would have a marketboard impact, affecting the rarity of items.

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Originally Posted by Yshtola

An "issue" that strangely coincides with the end of the moratorium on personal housing. :rolleyes:

To me, it looks like they had no good metrics and decided to play it safe. If they didn't want people to "own an absurd amount" of FC houses, they would have done something about it a long time ago since players have been doing it since 2.1

Personal housing is an entire different thing. There are over 700,000 players that are active enough and qualify to purchase a house, compared to slightly over 100,000 FCs. It's quite obvious that personal housing is the problem when there's slightly more than 350,000 plots and it is most likely why the temporary restriction is only effective for personal housing. Not to mention that personal housing is inherently inferior to FC housing and that FC housing isn't as easily obtainable as spending 20$ to get a boosted character. Oh by the way, Square Enix encourages players to use more than 1 service account because they allow you to stack them on the same SE account.

In your own words,

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Just as much as I'm assuming things on whatever might have caused them to silently revert the changes, you are too. I'm also not going to argue that personal housing is the core issue in this because it has always been so from the start (which is why I'm infinitely angry that they didn't implement separate housing for it as they said they would years ago). Point is people with multiple FC houses as you are do nothing to help ease the burden of this issue - why do you even need so many? What's the point besides the petty reason you listed on your website? Do you intend to hold them and hand them out to needy FCs when they come around in search of a house?

also being able to use multiple service accounts on a singular SE account is usually a perk I see couples take advantage of to streamline managing their subscription.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

Just as much as I'm assuming things on whatever might have caused them to silently revert the changes, you are too. I'm also not going to argue that personal housing is the core issue in this because it has always been so from the start (which is why I'm infinitely angry that they didn't implement separate housing for it as they said they would years ago). Point is people with multiple FC houses as you are do nothing to help ease the burden of this issue - why do you even need so many? What's the point besides the petty reason you listed on your website? Do you intend to hold them and hand them out to needy FCs when they come around in search of a house?

also being able to use multiple service accounts on a singular SE account is usually a perk I see couples take advantage of to streamline managing their subscription.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but contrary to you, I'm not implying that Square Enix is so incompetent that they haven't been able come up with a solution in the last 2 years since they removed the restriction, but go on, evade the subject since you're arguments are weak. Players with multiple FC houses tend to use them a lot more in comparison to players with personal housing because they offer a lot more. It really isn't difficult to figure that out and using houses to access gated content isn't nearly as "petty" as all the hypocrites who can't even be bothered to even enter their house on a weekly basis.

Regarding service accounts, SE has been encouraging players to multibox since ff xi. Might want to start looking at facts over figuring out reasons that stick to your agenda.

SE did not take into consideration that players might become greedy that is why the rules in FC housing is/was very lenient. SE probably thought that players would also think of their fellow players with respect to purchasing housing plots. I just hope that alternatives to plotted housing it being considered a limited resource, will be implemented by SE as an asthetically and functionally acceptable starter home for players.

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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

the same people always rush to the defense of owning multiple plots because they themselves do it. they just come onto these threads to stir the pot and talk condescendingly down to the rest of us.

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I'm late to the party and there is so much to get through. This is gonna get long, so if you hate long,

TL;DR I buy LOTS of houses but I feel I have taken the time to make arguments I feel are valid and meaningful to the general conversation around housing.

I would like to kindly point out that the OP is actually a multi-FC house owner themselves. The irony which is that they are wanting to report someone who also owns multiple homes. I guess as this person said in their original post, the person they wanted to report told them how to make more FC's so they went and made one too. A quick profile search and a google-cache search will show you that he was in fact the owner of the alternative FC before handing it off to another person to hide it's presence. Of course, I have no problem with this personally because I too am a multi-house buyer/owner.

Which brings me to my next point:

I am one of the handful of 'despised' multi-house owners who own around 30 plots total on another server. I'm sure you are wondering why I'm here posting on an ALT but it's quite simple. There is a rabid mob out to get anyone who owns more houses than technically possible via normal means and quite frankly I don't want to deal with harassment. However, I would like to make some valid points to this post in hopes that it will carry over into the conversations that come after this. There are several things that have yet to be properly addressed.

Although I said "own" 30 houses, the reality is that I have made an alt FC with a home attached to hand off to each of my 30 FC members. Every FC member has been given an additional home to fill in for their second home on their service account. This means every member has two homes, as the standard requirements 'allow'. So 30 members with 2 homes makes for 60 homes, including myself with two. We have all dedicated our secondary homes to the FC (30 total) for workshop purposes, gardening, and general decorating when we have time. Based on the arguments of numerous individuals in this thread so far and most all threads up until now, this is allowed "by the rules". As mentioned earlier about the OP, this user has also done the same thing by transferring an FC home to someone who does not have an FC home but is part of an FC that already has a home. Thus fulfilling their two-house requirement and that makes it technically OK.

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So the question now is, does that still make me a terrible person for coordinating a mass buyout of houses by the book and within the parameters of the "rules"? Everyone owns only two houses, which is allowed, and we have simply decided to dedicate our second home to our FC as a team effort. Though some will argue that this is a gross accumulation or hording of houses, my FC and members are all very dedicated to what we do and how we play. We play hard, and we want to play -very- hard. Of course, this does not go mentioned without understanding that it may inconvenience some players or seem insensitive to the needs of others. Understandable, but we try to make our meaningful contributions to players around us to spread some of the wealth we accumulate.

But more pressing than this question, I would like to address that not one person up until now has come forward with actual official writing or a statement from SE or Yoshida that states anyone who buys more than 2 homes is in violation of the rules and will have actions taken against them including suspension, ban, or termination. Nowhere does such writing exist and the only thing in writing so far is merely a statement of technical limitations per service account. Nothing about violations or enforcement are mentioned with relation to those technical limitations. There is no official text which states that staff will take action upon any user who has acquired more than the technical 2 houses per service account via means that are already in place in the game.

Further evidence of this is the GM conversation posted by another user earlier in this thread that shows the GM saw no reason to take action upon the user for buying an entire ward. The reason for that is simple: Technical specifications do not translate to VIOLATIONS.

At the end of the day, I believe that the only 'violation' occurring around housing is related entirely to morality which differs from player to player. As demonstrated by the OP of this thread who also buys multiple houses, felt that someone buying MORE houses was where the line was crossed.
SE does not enforce upon morality, because those cannot be covered by the rules nor can intent be proven. The GM conversation shows the GM asking if any intent of malicious behavior or griefing were to be attached to the act of buying houses, only then could a GM after investigation take any actual action. But that action would not be related to a loophole around buying houses via a legitimate (albeit 'immoral') process in the game.

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If you read through this long I want to thank you for taking the time to read it.

So as one of just a handful of mega-house buyers, I am humbly asking you to consider these points going forward and to factor these into your discussions on this topic ongoing. No rules have been violated or broken. Only ethics, which are not covered by the rules in the game and ethics which differ from player to player. My parting opinion on the matter is that if housing were truly in peril to such a degree that a truly significant distribution of the population were inconvenienced by the lack of exterior-attached housing (aka not apartments/Fc rooms), then SE would certainly take aggressive action to correct it. Seeing as how there is no correction nor any form of correction on the horizon, I believe it serves as an indicator that this matter is not so disproportionate as posters on the forum may otherwise suggest, and that it is simply a topic that keeps getting over discussed without much progress and understanding.

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Originally Posted by PewPewPewPewPew

If you read through this long I want to thank you for taking the time to read it.

So as one of just a handful of mega-house buyers, I am humbly asking you to consider these points going forward and to factor these into your discussions on this topic ongoing. No rules have been violated or broken. Only ethics, which are not covered by the rules in the game and ethics which differ from player to player. My parting opinion on the matter is that if housing were truly in peril to such a degree that a truly significant distribution of the population were inconvenienced by the lack of exterior-attached housing (aka not apartments/Fc rooms), then SE would certainly take aggressive action to correct it. Seeing as how there is no correction nor any form of correction on the horizon, I believe it serves as an indicator that this matter is not so disproportionate as posters on the forum may otherwise suggest, and that it is simply a topic that keeps getting over discussed without much progress and understanding.

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So your argument essentially boils down to "if SE are doing nothing then it must mean nothing is wrong".

I think you're mistaking SE having other priorities to them actually being genuinely happy with the housing situation.

SE view housing as side content. This is very clear. If fixing the housing situation could result in the loss of other major content, then I could easily see SE choosing to focus on that content instead of fixing housing.

Additionally, I don't know if you're aware, but the housing situation isn't as dire in Japan because the culture over there is much more conscious about how their actions affect other people, and conforming to a standard is very much expected. So that would be another reason as well as to why SE are slow to do something. Their target audience is doing better than we are as far as housing goes.

SE only take real action if enough people complain at the same time. This distinction matters because while there is a constant flow of players in this forum unhappy with the housing situation, it is just a flow. It's not a gigantic wave of discontent all happening at once, which is what happened at the Shirogane launch. And that incident was why SE finally took some decisive action to discourage house hoarding and flipping, and added more wards in a later patch.

This is an interesting thing to point out because there was already ample feedback in the forums for several years consistently pointing out issues with housing acquisition, hoarding and flipping. SE had been warned about these problems thousands of times, and were happy to ignore that feedback until it came back to bite them when the Shirogane launch became a horrific mess. It was such a huge mess even third party websites were reporting it as news.

This has shown that SE don't really care about the glaring flaws of the housing system, and feedback about it, unless enough people complain at the same time.

Basically what I'm saying is: don't confuse SE's apathy towards changing the housing system for them truly believing it's in a good position.

I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, but I always get a chuckle out of the fact that threads like these always attract certain people. Specific people that always have something to say when someone mentions people owning lots of houses in a negative way. Funny.

SE needs to figure out a way to allow players who don't have housing to purchase housing reliably (not apartments) and address situations where multiple houses are purchased by 1 person FCs. e.g.

https://i.imgur.com/pr1TB3E.png

Report don't do anything, I would know :)

Lets hope ishgardian housing has something new to offer that brings a solution for housing concerns.

SE should also set for reconstruction other war torn areas like ala mhigo, mor dhona, and doma.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said, but I always get a chuckle out of the fact that threads like these always attract certain people. Specific people that always have something to say when someone mentions people owning lots of houses in a negative way. Funny.

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I love the fact that a lot of the people who own multiple houses know it's unethical, but also know there's no laws broken, so they don't really care. Speaks a lot about the kind of people they are. If this were The Walking Dead, they'd be the Negans of the world. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I love the fact that a lot of the people who own multiple houses know it's unethical, but also know there's no laws broken, so they don't really care. Speaks a lot about the kind of people they are. If this were The Walking Dead, they'd be the Negans of the world. Lol.

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Laws? Might want to take a break from the virtual world, just saying.

There are plenty of people on this forum who openly mention how they never really do anything with their house, but you don't see anyone going after them with pitchforks. You might want to start showing consistency with your so-called ethics.

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Originally Posted by ERMITANYO

Lets hope ishgardian housing has something new to offer that brings a solution for housing concerns.

SE should also set for reconstruction other war torn areas like ala mhigo, mor dhona, and doma.

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Omg...Ala Mhigo housing...yes please! I don't know what Mor Dhona housing would look like...we only have that town to go on and it's just plain stone. I suppose it could take inspiration from Mhach but given that's a dead city state, I dunno.

Not sure if they would do Doma because that aesthetic is already covered by Shirogane. I wouldn't be against it though.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

I love the fact that a lot of the people who own multiple houses know it's unethical, but also know there's no laws broken, so they don't really care. Speaks a lot about the kind of people they are. If this were The Walking Dead, they'd be the Negans of the world. Lol.

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