Alma's Attire in Mogstation (new) and Jump Start Sale

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Oh this is gender-locked, huh.

i suppose the 2B outfit was the exception that proves the rule.

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All npc outfits are gender locked. I don't know why people are still surprised by this.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

All npc outfits are gender locked. I don't know why people are still surprised by this.

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Removing the gender lock also does nothing for most people playing male characters since it's only a very small portion of the community who even want to make their male characters wear a dress in the first place. We're told that it brings 'more options' to the table yet in reality all it really does is take further development time away from making things that most people playing male characters want to wear.

I was hoping to get a few things with a sale today. But its ok ill live.

Maybe we will get a nice Xmas sale or something instead :):)

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Originally Posted by Galdrae

Yes, keep pouring this mogstation outfits out SE. Viera and Hrothgar hats/hair can wait huh.

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completely separate departments.

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Originally Posted by Alaina

if you're going to put the time to put new outfits on the mogstation, MAKE THEM DYEABLE.

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NPC outfits are never dye able. how have you not known this for ages now?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Removing the gender lock also does nothing for most people playing male characters since it's only a very small portion of the community who even want to make their male characters wear a dress in the first place. We're told that it brings 'more options' to the table yet in reality all it really does is take further development time away from making things that most people playing male characters want to wear.

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But I thought everyone wanted male bunny outfits and dresses. That's what the forums lead me to believe anyway.

Maybe they'll have something better on Cyber Monday. If not, eh. Don't have the cash to spare right now anyway.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

NPC outfits are never dye able. how have you not known this for ages now?

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I'm pretty sure everyone on here knows that. I'm also pretty sure most, if not all, of the people saying the sets should be dyeable don't like that fact.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

If people are defeatist, sure. Yet there's plenty that will change it - such as being vocal (but respectful) about the issue on every possible front.

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I wish you had bolded respectful, Theo ...

I quite often see posts that I agree with - as far as the initial premise goes - but then people start ranting and being abusive towards the devs, and it really puts my back up. I heartily agree that more male outfits should be a thing (along with no gender locking because I'd love the Hien outfit for Elai) I also agree that housing needs work, for example, but I can't get behind posts that are all 'wtf SE' and 'Devs are stupid' (and that's the milder stuff...)

Are people really so self centred and rude that they think yelling and abuse is the way to behave. If I worked for SE, I'd be crossing out several items on my to-do list right about now

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

But I thought everyone wanted male bunny outfits and dresses. That's what the forums lead me to believe anyway.

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For whatever reason the development team overlooked the fact that a lot of people requesting the bunny outfit actually just wanted it converted into something that wasn't just a straight up copy of the female outfit. Much like how they overlooked the requests for Hien's hair to be added along with his outfit. Oh well...

I've long wondered if there's a problem somewhere in the pipeline where translated requests are concerned.

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Originally Posted by Elladie

I wish you had bolded respectful, Theo ...

I quite often see posts that I agree with - as far as the initial premise goes - but then people start ranting and being abusive towards the devs, and it really puts my back up. I heartily agree that more male outfits should be a thing (along with no gender locking because I'd love the Hien outfit for Elai) I also agree that housing needs work, for example, but I can't get behind posts that are all 'wtf SE' and 'Devs are stupid' (and that's the milder stuff...)

Are people really so self centred and rude that they think yelling and abuse is the way to behave. If I worked for SE, I'd be crossing out several items on my to-do list right about now

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I'm generally of the belief that if people are so angry at the development team that they'd yell at them over something then they should probably reflect on that and depart the game altogether. When I became frustrated with WoW that's exactly what I did. In general, though, people are much more willing to listen to civil requests than hostile ones.

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Originally Posted by Destati

I've been waiting on some of the Korean items, and some emotes I remember seeing a while back.

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Honestly, I feel like that floaty Korean dress just isn't coming to the western market. But it's one that I really want, clipping be darned (because the princess dress proved they don't care for clipping, and that's here)

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Alma's costume was part of the 13 new model sets created for the Ivalance Raids. It is actually a recolor of her namesake's outfit from FFT (that coloration gets used in several cutscenes).

As other have pointed out Y'sthola is one of FFXIV's representative characters (Zenos being the villain representative) in things like Dissidia. Y'shtola's new Sorceress outfit (and Zenos' upcoming Court Attire) was likely developed in part thanks to Dissidia's dev resources.

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I still don't get why they made a unique one for her, she did very little in the story and not one for Ramza. Still not sure why that means Y'shtola was the only one to get a unique outfit and why she's not a black mage with the black mage AF like Uraianger and Thancred

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I still don't get why they made a unique one for her, she did very little in the story and not one for Ramza. Still not sure why that means Y'shtola was the only one to get a unique outfit and why she's not a black mage with the black mage AF like Uraianger and Thancred

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If Ys'htola was a black mage she'd frickin' AoE better.

This mog update seems...meagre. Yeah, that's I'm gonna go with. Meagre.

I'll say one good thing about this: At least it's in separate pieces instead of all being one piece like some outfits. *cough*Minfilia*cough*

Other than that, it's gonna be a hard pass for me.

I really do wish they'd just let us dye them. If they're going to sell them to begin with they can go back and take the time to add color mapping to the mesh. Use the projected profits the item's going to make to fund it if need be.

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Originally Posted by Destati

This is the second time in a row they released a female-locked outfit.

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I believe it's the third time, actually.

>Minfilia's white dress
>Krile's outfit
>Now Alma's
And Yshtola's dress is yet to come.

We're also getting the female stuff ported over to the guys, which is great for guys that always wanted to wear it, but that's still not giving the guys something new; it's picking something that's already there, available and designed for the girls, again, and porting it over to the guys.
Sad update, but then again SE seems to pay more attention to female NPCs outfits than the male ones, which means there isn't much to add to the mog station.
A lot of male NPCs wear clothes you can get through playing the game or just crafted/AF/dungeon gear, while the girls wear something more unique. From the guys' perspective it's very frustrating to see so many exclusives being added back to back, and for the girl's perspective it's very stupid to see the Gunbreaker and Astrologian "npc" outfits being ingame as rewards while Yshtola's isn't the Black Mage one, and will be added to the mogstation instead.

By now we all know that SE sees the profit on gating certain female clothes behind a paywall, and maybe not enough male characters are that interested on mog station clothing. imo it's because male character design in this game is very lazy and uninspiring when it comes to their wardrobe compared to the girls, but oh well.
At this point I'm convinced that at some point they will give us the Exarch outfit but it will be unisex instead because that's how things are.

There's a lot of people who play male characters who would purchase masculine looking gear if the same amount of effort was put into designing the gear in the first place. Myself included. I mentioned it earlier, but games like Fortnite and Overwatch provide outfits for both female and male characters in equal measure. Last I checked, both were pretty profitable and such a move was well received.

Another issue is that for some strange reason we didn't get Hien's hairstyle as part of his set. I guarantee that the sales would be a lot higher if that were the case. It doesn't help that Yoshi-P plays a female character himself and frequently agrees that it'd be 'cool' to add specific female outfits to the game when they're brought up but when someone suggests adding a male outfit (or additional stubble options) he claims that it's 'too hard' or that they don't want to add gear used by the 'bad guys' for some bizarre reason.

(Not that it stopped them adding Edda's outfit despite her being an antagonist.)

Ultimately people just need to keep pushing for such things to be added at every possible turn when and where it is relevant.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I still don't get why they made a unique one for her, she did very little in the story and not one for Ramza. Still not sure why that means Y'shtola was the only one to get a unique outfit and why she's not a black mage with the black mage AF like Uraianger and Thancred

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Because money

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wouldn't be surprised. Less effort seems to be put into the gear used by male NPC's for some strange reason, even when they have a more prominent role in the story.

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I feel that they've been roughly about even in the uniqueness department

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I don't understand why they didn't give us Ramza's outfit at the same time. They've already stated in an interview that Y'shtola's new outfit is coming to the Mog Station at some point, so what exactly are they planning to give people who play male characters who don't want to wear a dress...?

They could give us what Gaius and Nero wore originally, maybe.

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Totally agree with this. Ramza's outfit should be put in the mogstation along with Alma's. Really weird they didn't add it : /

None dye able = instant nope from me.

Dress (although gorgeous) undyeable. Level boosters knocked down a measly five bucks. Not exactly much of sale worthy of Black Friday, honestly.

All these people fussing over the inequality of treatment between Alma and Ramza are spot on in exactly the reverse of the way they think they are.

Ramza bas Lexentale got regular dungeon gear (Valkyrie's Coat of Healing) because it was close to his act 1 equipment from Tactics. Ramza Beoulve's later gear as seen in Orbonne and the quests around it was available in the raid as a drop (Ivalician Brave set). Ramza is the default character we're supposed to know and identify with, and anyone who's wanted to look like him has had that option for a while now.

Alma was treated as if she can't fend for herself and shunted off to the same old damsel-in-distress role (as fits with her role in FFT, though she was even more defenseless in FFXIV). She got a custom dress, sure, but it's because all of the other "noble girl who does nothing but be fashionable" styles were already heavily tied to other regional styles - it wouldn't have been right for her to look Ishgardian or Lominsan. So anyone who wanted to look like her has had to wait all this time and pay extra for the privilege.

I'm not complaining about Alma's treatment here as I know how hard these custom dresses are to get working on player characters and our wide variety of movements, but I'm baffled at all the "but what about the men" going on in this thread. Ramza's not getting the spotlight right now because Ramza's been available all this time by default... and that makes him the actual special one, not the one being ignored. SE has finally equalized things here. Sure there's a gender lock, but look at all the people complaining about un-gender locked dresses because dressing like a girl is degrading or whatever.

Dress is cute. I might get it (char name relevant). I wish it had been the red one we see in the flashbacks though since that's more faithful to FFT.

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Originally Posted by Harmonea

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This is all simply a matter of perspective. You can analyze the situation however you want, but in regards to purely glamour, the facts are out there; Alma got a new model, Ramza has reused assets. Don't need a whole paragraph to decipher that.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

This is all simply a matter of perspective. You can analyze the situation however you want, but the facts are out there; Alma got a new model, Ramza has reused assets. Don't need a whole paragraph to decipher that.

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Kindly point me to where the Ivalician Brave set was used prior to Orbonne.

Oh you can't? Gee. "But but but but that was for raid gear" you'll say. Yeah. Because... he was the main character. He got special gear made for him AND it got distributed to players.

For free.

Paragraph that.

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Originally Posted by Harmonea

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That set is available for both females and males, therefore irrelevant. The argument being made is that males did not receive anything alongside the Alma set, which is true, they didn't.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

That set is available for both females and males, therefore irrelevant. The argument being made is that males did not receive anything alongside the Alma set, which is true, they didn't.

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Can you point me where I can get Tifa, Tera, Aerith, Celes, serah, fang, ashe, or panelos outfits in game? I can't? Huh, must be some kind of bias against female protagonists.

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I don't understand why they didn't give us Ramza's outfit at the same time.

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Ramza's trademark armor is in Orbonne

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Can you point me where I can get Tifa, Tera, Aerith, Celes, serah, fang, ashe, or panelos outfits in game? I can't? Huh, must be some kind of bias against female protagonists.

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Because I said that? I said male characters didn't get an outfit alongside Alma's. Anything more than that is a personal gripe between you and whoever said that.

I'm leaving the conversation at this point, clearly there's a level of hostility that's only echoed with even more hostility when saying a fact that people just don't like to hear and assume something else. Have fun.

they could have not put anything for sale on black friday. entitled much?

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

they could have not put anything for sale on black friday. entitled much?

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*chomps on the bait*

That's like having 5% for a Christmas sale. It's a holiday companies intentionally plan around because they know it will be time to make the most money. Therefore, just being $5 off is very low in comparison to what other companies and businesses offer.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Removing the gender lock also does nothing for most people playing male characters since it's only a very small portion of the community who even want to make their male characters wear a dress in the first place. We're told that it brings 'more options' to the table yet in reality all it really does is take further development time away from making things that most people playing male characters want to wear.

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I wouldn't mind the Scion Liberator outfit (Lyse's vest/shorts/armored boots) being gender unlocked. It's relatively gender neutral and I'd definitely use the top at the very least on my character.

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Originally Posted by Alaina

if you're going to put the time to put new outfits on the mogstation, MAKE THEM DYEABLE.

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But none of the character pieces are dyeable. Least none of the XIV characters are. They never been dyeable so I dunno why people expect them to be. It's never been the case.

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Originally Posted by monk-dps

But none of the character pieces are dyeable. Least none of the XIV characters are. They never been dyeable so I dunno why people expect them to be. It's never been the case.

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The point is people are saying 'that's BAD' and they should stop doing it and asking for our money for purely glam items that we can't dye. The forums are for feedback... which this is. Stop giving us restricted, limited glam items.

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Originally Posted by Hazama999

Oh this is gender-locked, huh.

i suppose the 2B outfit was the exception that proves the rule.

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nah I think they only did it because the nier guy said that it looks so weird on males so they made it happen, they won't ruin peoples eyes forewer.

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Originally Posted by Gula

*chomps on the bait*

That's like having 5% for a Christmas sale. It's a holiday companies intentionally plan around because they know it will be time to make the most money. Therefore, just being $5 off is very low in comparison to what other companies and businesses offer.

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does black friday even exist at all in japan?

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

does black friday even exist at all in japan?

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Was there a few weeks ago, saw signs for black Friday.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

nah I think they only did it because the nier guy said that it looks so weird on males so they made it happen, they won't ruin peoples eyes forewer.

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Missed the part where a lot of previously female-only gear is being unlocked to male and vice-versa, huh? You're in for a sweet sweet surprise... LOL (Gonna be some guys in wedding dresses soon. And maid outfits... amoung other things.)

Also, yes 'Black Friday' exists for a lot of major world-wide companies because they really really like profits and sales. $$$ talks. Though Cyber Monday is probably where we're going to see more discounts considering online and all that. But who knows?

rather than being non-dyable, I'm more annoyed that you still can't put mogstation outfits into the armoire

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

I don't really get why they put so much more effort into the female NPCs than the male ones, it never made sense why Alma got a unique outfit but Ramza just got some dungeon gear or why Y'sthola was the only scion to get a unique outfit

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It's almost like Yoshida is a middle aged Japanese man who ends up letting his personal preferences shine trough in his decisions as producer and director. Like, remember how he had the design for Lakshmi changed from the artwork just because he didn't find it "cute" enough?