Now before you overreact

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

Based on what has been found already a lot of outfits are being gender neutralized but i want to point out, there will be more outfits unlocked for males than there will be for females due to there being more female exclusive(non-mog station) glamour outfits within the game than male exclusive, it was a problem SE did themselves which they are sorting out which i do want to say THANK YOU for as you didn't have to do this, but i want this post to make people aware that when they release these outfits there is no bias towards one gender getting more than the other.

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Peoples always overreact it's an international sport.

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

A link to the reddit showing images do bare in mind it might not be the full list just the stuff in code right now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...etting_gender/

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TY for the link!

I do hope that the Scion Liberator's Attire gets gender unlocked! I think that would look great on guys!

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

A link to the reddit showing images do bare in mind it might not be the full list just the stuff in code right now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...etting_gender/

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Exactly as I thought. All of these look dumb as heck on a male character, probably would look like even more of a joke on some of the other races. The only ones that can work are like 'Expeditioner', and 'Oasis'. Everything else just looks so.. bad.

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Still a better addition to the FFXIV videogame than au'ra females.

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Originally Posted by DiscoDuck

Yes! the maid outfit will be unisex! Now I can cosplay as Goth Lolita Ladybeard!

https://sociorocketnewsen.files.word...pg?w=580&h=870

Just need to have the Valentions leggings and shoes be unisex to complete the set.

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This is so hot.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Exactly as I thought. All of these look dumb as heck on a male character, probably would look like even more of a joke on some of the other races. The only ones that can work are like 'Expeditioner', and 'Oasis'. Everything else just looks so.. bad.

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That looks... pretty good, though?

I'm sure no one is surprised that I'm over the moon about this. I see a lot of pieces that'll fill gaps in my wardrobe without even looking at the bodies (which I'll have to see on my character before I decide if I'll use them).

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I rather they spent there limited resources on converting helmets, hair styles for new races and adding primal weapons for new jobs. Think this is complete waste of funding. This is why new races can't have nice helmets and new job nice weapon glamours.

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And those of us who have been asking for these items to be unlocked for years would rather the resources be spent on doing this. We've been asking since 2.2 when we got our very first set of one female-only + one unisex glamour items, as years ago, so it only seems fair that we get our fix first...

But it's easy to only want resources spent on things that effect you directly, at the expense of things that don't!

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Originally Posted by Lukha

I'm sure no one is surprised that I'm over the moon about this. I see a lot of pieces that'll fill gaps in my wardrobe without even looking at the bodies (which I'll have to see on my character before I decide if I'll use them).



And those of us who have been asking for these items to be unlocked for years would rather the resources be spent on doing this. We've been asking since 2.2 when we got our very first set of one female-only + one unisex glamour items, as years ago, so it only seems fair that we get our fix first...

But it's easy to only want resources spent on things that effect you directly, at the expense of things that don't!

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I think viera actually having helmets fit their head takes precedence over unneeded joke items. Among other things for viera/hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

Anyone who thinks "resources are better spent elsewhere" may rest easy, as the team handling this probably isn't part of the team that handles whatever you feel is "more worthy." Using time and resources on a project doesn't take away from some global "resource meter" in a company. It takes it away from a team's resource allocation, but then there is a significant chance that that team might be idle or have a shallow workload at the moment.

Almost as if things aren't black and white.

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They are the ones who say they can't do this, this , this, or this because of "limited resources" though. That's like the biggest excuse used.

I'm willing to bet females will be getting more unlocked like the High house and the butler outfit. This isn't yet released in game because they're not done.

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Originally Posted by Darsien

I'm rather safe in saying that the devs of one of the biggest MMOs on the market know how to prioritize and get the most out of the resources each team can provide to each project.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I'm willing to bet females will be getting more unlocked like the High house and the butler outfit. This isn't yet released in game because they're not done.

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That's my view on it as well. Judging by the fact that SE hasn't even commented on this yet, barring Yoshi P's years old comment on wanting it implemented, it's probably safe to say that they're just adding the meshes to the game data as they're finished. Whether or not they'll be released in batches or all at once is currently unknown.

And one person's joke item is another person's favorite glamour. I get not being enthused with resources being put into things you don't like and wanting them prioritized into other matters, but let's not pretend it isn't at least making someone happy and isn't a joke to them.

The spring skirt would be good for a samurai glam - Its just a wrap around lower tunic - Blokes been wearing things like that for thousands of years.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think viera actually having helmets fit their head takes precedence over unneeded joke items. Among other things for viera/hrothgar.

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Why should that relatively recent request take precedence over the removal of gender-locks on glamour, which has been requested consistently and enthusiastically for five and a half years at this point with little or no progress made (until now)?

Ideally both issues will eventually be completely resolved, but considering Viera/Hrothgar players just got a brand new race to play with and a bunch of headgear at launch despite originally being told they'd have none, I think it's more than fair for other requests to get a bit of focus before revisiting them.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

oh wow....original joke....never heard that one before....you must be a comedian...

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How did you knew? (:

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Originally Posted by Darsien

Deflecting with a meme, huh? Going to assume you know you're wrong, shortsighted, didn't think things through, etc. and that's the best you can come up with. Thanks for keeping my bar for the OF ever so low. o7

You wanna have a conversation in a place designed for that? Let me know. Else your "hurr hurr got him with my meme" will be of better use on reddit.

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So do you actually know any factual information about how work loads are distributed behind the scenes, or are you just trying to look superior and belittle other peoples' comments?

I would much rather them finish viera and hrothgar before doing anymore of this. It's nice yes. But if like to be able to wear artifact headgear....

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yep 9 female exclusive sets
and 3 male exclusive sets
will have no gender restrictions

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The imbalance is because a lot of the sets being unlocked are the "female-exclusive male-unisex" counterparts like the Thavnairian sets and best man / bridesmaid. That imbalance of female-exclusive outfits gets complained about a lot, so they're unlocking it. (Personally I'd prefer them to get adapted counterparts than the exact same dress, but then again I tend to complain bitterly about how I want the male version of outfits when they make a single item look different according to character gender. So I don't think I get a say here.)

I'm mostly happy about the Expeditioner sets, particularly getting the nice tabard for male characters and not just the raggedy coat, and to a lesser extent the Oasis sets - if only they'd make the green bit on the front of the male coat dyeable while they're at it... it makes an otherwise-very-nice outfit hard to use, and it comes in other colours for NPCs already.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

That's fine and dandy but for those of us who don't want to run around in drag we should have the option not too. I was cringing at the thought of not being able to wear the Yorha gear without glaming over it because they were going to put my giant masculine Hrothgar frame into a little dress designed for a petite woman.

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What are you thinking adding these outfits is going to do?

People who wanted to put dresses on their male characters could already do so - this just gives them a few more choices of what to wear.

You keep wearing whatever gear appeals to you, via glamour.

Nothing has changed at all.

Just because it's there doesn't mean you're expected to wear it - and has been established earlier, the unisex 2B dress IS a glamour. The male dungeon gear might not suit your Hrothgar either, but that is indeed what glamour is for.

I honestly don't understand the mindset - by various people, not just you - that having to glamour over the current design of battle gear is somehow a failure on the gear designers' part. Gear should not always be in a style that looks good on your character, because it would be impossible (or very bland) to have every item suit everyone, and it's expected that you'll glamour over it with something you do like.

PS. Edit to add: I just tried on the Striking top from the raid with my male Miqo'te, and it looks like a modern-style leather jacket. The Aiming top is the same but as a long coat.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I'm willing to bet females will be getting more unlocked like the High house and the butler outfit. This isn't yet released in game because they're not done.

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The High House sets are an excellent target for this - the coats are so similar already, all they really need is to add/remove the skirt and alter the colour scheme.

It seems odd that the female version isn't listed, but maybe it just didn't get leaked. Surely it's coming.

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Originally Posted by Kobalos

The spring skirt would be good for a samurai glam - Its just a wrap around lower tunic - Blokes been wearing things like that for thousands of years.

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Actually you already have that one accessible - not technically the Spring Skirt, but the Plain Long Skirt has the same base model (mirrored left-right and without the bow) and is unisex.

I think the skirt is just locked because the rest of the set is.

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Originally Posted by zylo1010

I would much rather them finish viera and hrothgar before doing anymore of this. It's nice yes. But if like to be able to wear artifact headgear....

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They're not regarded as "unfinished" though, at least to the designers. It was - whether you agree with it or not - a design decision to not make them visible, apparently for technical reasons. They weren't intending to have anything visible at all.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

Why should that relatively recent request take precedence over the removal of gender-locks on glamour, which has been requested consistently and enthusiastically for five and a half years at this point with little or no progress made (until now)?

Ideally both issues will eventually be completely resolved, but considering Viera/Hrothgar players just got a brand new race to play with and a bunch of headgear at launch despite originally being told they'd have none, I think it's more than fair for other requests to get a bit of focus before revisiting them.

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This is the one thing I do agree with SturmChurro on. I do think Viera/Hrothgar hair and helmets should take precedent as far as cosmetics go above all else. At the same time, however, I get the feeling the gender swap gear is just something done here and there as time allows.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So do you actually know any factual information about how work loads are distributed behind the scenes, or are you just trying to look superior and belittle other peoples' comments?

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I don't think you can really belittle a poor meme. It's already low-hanging fruit.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

They're not regarded as "unfinished" though, at least to the designers. It was - whether you agree with it or not - a design decision to not make them visible, apparently for technical reasons. They weren't intending to have anything visible at all.

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Uh, no. They simply didn't finish before the release of Shadowbringers. This has been officially stated a number of times, while what you're claiming has never once been mentioned. Disingenuous comments like this don't help.

If male characters want to wear that ugly dress all power to them. I think it looks awful on period on both male and female. I wouldn't wear it. It's hideous. Now those boots? I am all for that.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Uh, no. They simply didn't finish before the release of Shadowbringers. This has been officially stated a number of times, while what you're claiming has never once been mentioned. Disingenuous comments like this don't help.

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I'm quite sure I have seen them explain that it was a design choice to not give the races visible headgear due to their unique head designs.

From the last Letter From the Producer:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

As you may remember from the Tokyo Fan Festival keynote, I mentioned that due to the special design of the Hrothgar and Viera heads, equipped headgear would not display.

Glasses and so forth would not display either at first, but after seeing how many people called for us to do something, anything, to address this after the announcement, the character team took it upon themselves to use their spare moments to make it possible—without telling me. More than five hundred and forty such items were carefully modified by our designers so that all would display correctly with our new face models. /salute

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I think there was a longer quote elsewhere (perhaps from the original Fan Fest presentation or interviews at the time), that more specifically said that headgear would not display at all. I'd have to go looking for it though. It's certainly what I remember them saying at the time.

Do you have a link to where it was "officially stated" that the rest of the headgear is coming, and only absent due to time constraints?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm quite sure I have seen them explain that it was a design choice to not give the races visible headgear due to their unique head designs.

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Given what I read about that statement, its likely they added those head things beforehand since otherwise the feedback would've been worse as the genderlock was already a topic the players took a bite of.

That the team manages to get those head pieces worked on the new races was likely a thing that was spun from PR to praise the dedication of the team and soothe the playerbase/critics.

It's progress. This was something Yoshi-p wanted to do for a while and now it's finally happening. I think the 2B outfit alone was a good sign that they're committed to making usable by all.

On the note of people arguing its a waste of resource for something that not everybody is going to use, where is their out cry when SE 'wastes' resource on gear many find ugly or when it's a look that doesnt suit all?

At the end of the day, they're glamour options people wanted and a lot of outfits out there only suit a minority of people's taste. I don't see how now that gender is involved that it's a problem.

I personally think a lot of gear will look awful on alternate genders and only appeals to a niche market of role-players and/or subtle changes to glamours.

That being said, there is nothing wrong with a wider choice of gears to use on glamours and if anyone is actually "upset" about this, they should get their heads examined.

It doesn't hurt anyone, it appeals to a section of the community, there is literally no reason to restrict it.

Sorry, I'm confused: overreact to what?
I feel like this is missing context.

Was there news about this somewhere or is this about the Nier dress?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I think viera actually having helmets fit their head takes precedence over unneeded joke items. Among other things for viera/hrothgar.

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I think Viera being a female only race with its defining characteristics being a large bust and butt in a thong is a joke but they spent a lot of resources on that too.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I think Viera being a female only race with its defining characteristics being a large bust and butt in a thong is a joke but they spent a lot of resources on that too.

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Remember we could have male viera if it wasn't so time consuming to fit gear to the male bodies that it would slow their patch cycle.

What we needed was them fitting dresses and panties to all the male races instead!

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Given what I read about that statement, its likely they added those head things beforehand since otherwise the feedback would've been worse as the genderlock was already a topic the players took a bite of.

That the team manages to get those head pieces worked on the new races was likely a thing that was spun from PR to praise the dedication of the team and soothe the playerbase/critics.

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"What you read about the statement"? From where?

Sorry, but that sounds a bit conspiratorial to me. "They pretended it was worse than it was, just so they could 'respond' to the inevitable outcry by revealing a fix they already had ready-made from the beginning!"

Also, if you mean that it wasn't a design choice to not adapt the headgear, but a matter of time constraints, that doesn't add up. Why have the glasses and circlets done earlier than they claimed, but not a single helmet? Why is there nothing for the current series of relic gear? Why are they not implementing more over time?

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Originally Posted by Sated

Sorry, I'm confused: overreact to what?
I feel like this is missing context.

Was there news about this somewhere or is this about the Nier dress?

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Leaked images of some gender-locked sets modeled for the opposite gender.

But yes, very much missing context.

Everyone, please do always state the core thing you are posting about, provide links if you have them, and not assume everyone else has seen leaks / read articles / etc.

Look as long as I can wear skirts on my male toon, I'll be happy.

I keep wanting to swap my character's gender... but.... I need to be able to wear my summoner yuna garb when I'm in summoner!

I dont understand what the issue is? Are we complaining that males can wear the female clothing now or that time is being taken to make sure thats a thing?

Look, if people want stuff to be worn by both sexes, that should be fine, and frankly all the outfits should be wearable more or less by either sex. That being said, I personally find it silly to see male characters running around in 2B's gear, simply because it looks pretty awful. I dont think people fully understand that some clothing articles are designed to accentuate certain features on females or males, so sticking it on the opposite sex doesnt work out to well because, you know, males and females are not 1:1 copies of one another and have some differences in their morphology. But if people are determined to wear it, go for it. Youll end up looking clownish IMO, but if it floats your boat then alright.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I dont think people fully understand that some clothing articles are designed to accentuate certain features on females or males, so sticking it on the opposite sex doesnt work out to well because, you know, males and females are not 1:1 copies of one another and have some differences in their morphology. But if people are determined to wear it, go for it. Youll end up looking clownish IMO, but if it floats your boat then alright.

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You better watch out, saying something like that is effectively a crime nowadays.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I think Viera being a female only race with its defining characteristics being a large bust and butt in a thong is a joke but they spent a lot of resources on that too.

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I don't wear a thong and I have moderate-sized breasts. Way to paint with a broad brush.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I dont think people fully understand that some clothing articles are designed to accentuate certain features on females or males, so sticking it on the opposite sex doesnt work out to well because, you know, males and females are not 1:1 copies of one another and have some differences in their morphology.

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Indeed, and it's not even a matter of gender, just body shape - even more so in this game where you have everything from Lalafell to Elezen to Roegadyn all able to equip the same gear, which is no promise that all of them will (or should) look good in any given piece.

I have six different characters currently, and things that look great on one can look awful and badly-fitting on another. It's just how it works.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Indeed, and it's not even a matter of gender, just body shape - even more so in this game where you have everything from Lalafell to Elezen to Roegadyn all able to equip the same gear, which is no promise that all of them will (or should) look good in any given piece.

I have six different characters currently, and things that look great on one can look awful and badly-fitting on another. It's just how it works.

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Indeed. I certainly agree, for example, that the 2B outfit does not look good on all characters; it looks terrible on mine. But that choice should be up to the player. I have no idea if my char looks good in a x,y,z female locked gear because I cannot wear it to find out.

I for once dislike heavily what they did with 2b male gear, looks horrible in males at least that's my opinion as some people may like it. And I dislike the idea of having similar glamours for different genders.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You better watch out, saying something like that is effectively a crime nowadays.

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Eh, if the outrage mob wants to come for me, then Im fine with them wasting their time and breath. Im no bigot no matter how much they huff and puff, so Im not gonna give them the time of day.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Indeed, and it's not even a matter of gender, just body shape - even more so in this game where you have everything from Lalafell to Elezen to Roegadyn all able to equip the same gear, which is no promise that all of them will (or should) look good in any given piece.

I have six different characters currently, and things that look great on one can look awful and badly-fitting on another. It's just how it works.

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This is more or less teh crux of glamours in general. they dont look good on certain races. Part of the reason why I play lalafell is the proportions look more cutesy and cartoony. It looks funner for me. Some of my glamours just dont work on Taller races. Inversely, some glamours work way better on taller characters and just dont work for Lalafells. I get that and make glamours that I feel work better for the body size and build. But I think a lot of people dont get this and just slap stuff on not even thinking about that aspect. This gets exacerbated when you take into account Male/Female body shapes on average and stick a glamour that was designed for a more feminine body shape on a very masculine body. It just looks bad stylistically. Of all the meme posts Ive seen about guys wearing 2Bs outfit, I havent seen anyone pull it off and look remotely decent. Only way I can see it working is if someone is looking to pull off a Kefka/Jester-esque kind of feel.

But again, if people want to sport the look, fine by me. Design your characters armor and appearance as you see fit. I think that should be the ultimate goal. The only reason Ill raise a stink is if glamour and armor design starts moving into a 'neutral' design, which inevitably ends up removing feminine aspects from gear.

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

Indeed. I certainly agree, for example, that the 2B outfit does not look good on all characters; it looks terrible on mine. But that choice should be up to the player. I have no idea if my char looks good in a x,y,z female locked gear because I cannot wear it to find out.

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I wasn't meaning that as a reason to keep the gender locks! Definitely let everyone wear everything if they want - but it's also fine, or should be fine, to say [specific dress X] looks bad on male characters because it doesn't complement their body shape, without it being taken as "men shouldn't be allowed to wear this".

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Remember we could have male viera if it wasn't so time consuming to fit gear to the male bodies that it would slow their patch cycle.

What we needed was them fitting dresses and panties to all the male races instead!

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I thought it was because they had already started working on adding Hrothgar and only after the popularity of the Ivalice raid did they decide that Viera would be added and at no time did they state with any certainty that there was a possibility of adding the missing sexes. But the point of the post was actually to say that just because something doesn't cater to you or your idea of what should be in the game doesn't mean it should be excluded or is a waste. This game has a broad player base and what is good for you and yours is not all that matters. Get over yourself and realize you are not the only one this game is designed for.

ITT people ultimately not understanding the unfortunate implications of not wanting something just because it favours marginalized groups. Yeah of course this will favour specific groups: people in the queer community (like myself), women who want a more broad range of practical attire (like myself), people who just find guys in some of this stuff hot (like myself), among others. The fact people who will make use of it being a minority as justification for why you shouldn't do it only makes sense in a narrow purview; FFXIV as a product actually is full to the brim of things only a small % of people will enjoy. Opening up clothing for more people to use it, whether it's for genuine expression or just for someone's humour or any reasons in-between, is going to be something that ultimately matters to a minority which is... fine.

Savage raids are just enjoyed by a minority.
While almost everyone will try trades, crafter mains are a minority.
People who like chocobo racing are a minority.

None of them are really inherently worth less of the developer's time as long as a reasonable amount of people will like it, and I do think a reasonable enough amount of people will enjoy this relative to the work required, taking into account the increased requirements as more outfits and potentially race variants are added in the future.