So how come The Great Hunt can't be unsynced?

Then get friends to do it with you? FC mates? Acquaintainces? It's a 4 man thing, you must have atleast 3 people on your firends list right?

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Then get friends to do it with you? FC mates? Acquaintainces? It's a 4 man thing, you must have atleast 3 people on your firends list right?

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Hey quick question, did you read the original post or just the title?

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Hey quick question, did you read the original post or just the title?

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Yeah and its standard PF fare. I have a low tolerance for mistakes of randos myself. That's why I do most of the harder content with friends. If your friends can't make the cut, tough, get better ones.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Yeah and its standard PF fare. I have a low tolerance for mistakes of randos myself. That's why I do most of the harder content with friends. If your friends can't make the cut, tough, get better ones.

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And that exact mindset is what causes my anxiety when dealing with strangers in this game. No one has patience for even the slightest mistake. Not "hey I didn't bother looking at a guide" mistake, but "oops I had an FPS drop and didn't dodge an attack and I died" kind of mistakes.

Also "get better ones"? Like friends are just people you choose based on skill? That's a really messed up way to approach friends. Like if you can't profit off them they're not worth anything? Hello? Please get help.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Yeah and its standard PF fare. I have a low tolerance for mistakes of randos myself. That's why I do most of the harder content with friends. If your friends can't make the cut, tough, get better ones.

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I would have ended this with "Grow Thicker Skin"
Cause you'll always run into jerks, and if you let them and your anxiety stop you from having fun, then you wont enjoy the later content sadly :/

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And that exact mindset is what causes my anxiety when dealing with strangers in this game. No one has patience for even the slightest mistake. Not "hey I didn't bother looking at a guide" mistake, but "oops I had an FPS drop and didn't dodge an attack and I died" kind of mistakes.

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While hes being blunt, the simple fact of the matter is people like me grinded for that mount and subsequent stuff. We put our effort in, improved, and were rewarded for our efforts. Short of having an actual disability that limits your motor skills or cognitive skills (and Im not joking, Im being 100% here, as in real deal impairments that youve seen a certified physician for with clinical treatments), it is not beyond you to learn and improve. If your mentality is "It's to hard to do, therefore I should just petition it to be easier for me" , then frankly the issue lies with you.

It's being an elitist if someone snubbed you by saying "Gawsh, you pleb. Git gud scrub, it's easy. Even a baby could do this." It's not elitism by saying "Hey, work on improving. It's not so hard that you cant do it without practice and some effort." This is the point being made. If youre having time, practice and get better. If you dont want to spend the time doing that, then no, you shouldnt have easier access to the rewards. The simple fact is it at times sounds like youre making excuses for being unable to complete the content. It's to hard. My friends arent good enough. The PF is full of people who have 0 tolerance for even slight mistakes or drops.

It's a bunch of "It's everyone elses problem, not mine." PF isnt that bad. Everyone has room to improve. Time nad effort has to be applied. It's as simple as that. Youll get more out of this game if you bite the bullet and accept that if you are having trouble with content, it's likely gonna be on you to improve so you can clear it. Cause as you get better, youll end up teaming with better people, and accomplish more. It can be a pain at times, but thats how it works.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And that exact mindset is what causes my anxiety when dealing with strangers in this game. No one has patience for even the slightest mistake. Not "hey I didn't bother looking at a guide" mistake, but "oops I had an FPS drop and didn't dodge an attack and I died" kind of mistakes.

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Dude I'm anxious with PF too, way more so than most of my friends and I'll do anything I can to avoid using it. I'l be sitting with 7/8 friends for an extreme primal and will frantically ask everyone I know for half an hour before resigning to putting the last slot up in PF. I've convinced myself that there's a ton of people who are just waiting to rip my throat out because I haven't perfectly memorized the fight yet after two runs. The reality is less true, but that's my own problem that I need to overcome each time it comes up.

This is a case where it might be worth throwing up a PF for it and avoiding all terms like 'farm' - it may take some time but with any luck you'd eventually fill up with some people who are willing to go with the flow for Rath. I've put in my 50 runs, I know that screwups and mistakes will happen, as do a lot of people. It's a simple enough fight mechanically that people shouldn't need discord or other voice-chats unless they want it. You dodge, you stack.

There's quite a few people with an approachable mindset. Thing is, they're not putting up PFs for the same anxious reasons. If you really want the mount, with the current system gonna have to grit your teeth and either try to find likeminded players or bear with the ones who will disband at a single screwup. There's enough of a lack of people doing it that I imagine quite a few would be happy to simply see a PF for Rath, honestly. Some of them may become acquaintances, some maybe friends. Maybe not.

Your other option is, well, hunker down and train the friends you do have. Most people will eventually learn if given the time to, but Rath is particularly unfriendly for people who aren't used to immediately deciding where to move based on what direction a mob just turned, and it does have a functional enrage with a standard comp. I get that it's hard with anxiety. I know you're rolling those dice on who you're gonna end up with. But in the end, that's one of your best options available rather than hoping developers go back and let you slaughter it.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And that exact mindset is what causes my anxiety when dealing with strangers in this game. No one has patience for even the slightest mistake. Not "hey I didn't bother looking at a guide" mistake, but "oops I had an FPS drop and didn't dodge an attack and I died" kind of mistakes.

Also "get better ones"? Like friends are just people you choose based on skill? That's a really messed up way to approach friends. Like if you can't profit off them they're not worth anything? Hello? Please get help.

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Yeah. That's entirely messed up there. But it's what I've come to expect from the people on the forums.

With that said, I ran EX 7 times with a chill PF party. I was shaking so bad by the end of it I had to drop out. I only caused the wipe the first time when we were still figuring out how to play with one another and everyone was really cool with it. I didn't wipe us again but I hated every moment of every single one of those 7 runs. It was so exhausting, mentally, as I have the same anxiety you have. (Well, not the -same-, I suppose, but very similar!)

The content should be able to be unsynced. I've never played any Monster Hunter games for more than five minutes but it's my understanding that you can run into any monster at cap level (?), in stupidly over leveled gear, and curb stomp them. Same deal here. It's not wrecking the contribution Capcom made if you can do it in their game, though I can see why they might think that.

I'm entirely with OP and I can't accurately describe how I feel about the whole "get better friends" thing, because the forum has strict rules about cussing. But uh. Enjoy being elitist and lonely, I guess? (Saying "get better friends" is NOT being blunt. It's being the worst. End of story.)

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And that exact mindset is what causes my anxiety when dealing with strangers in this game. No one has patience for even the slightest mistake. Not "hey I didn't bother looking at a guide" mistake, but "oops I had an FPS drop and didn't dodge an attack and I died" kind of mistakes.

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Id make a little sentence of PF saying something like "Rathy Farm/practice party, please don't get mad after a wipe or two", it works pretty well, and you tend to attract others with that sentence who are in the same boat

Off-topic, but I can happily say this cross-over event made me a pretty big fan of Monster Hunter. So.. mission accomplished, I guess!

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Short of having an actual disability that limits your motor skills or cognitive skills (and Im not joking, Im being 100% here, as in real deal impairments that youve seen a certified physician for with clinical treatments), it is not beyond you to learn and improve. If your mentality is "It's to hard to do, therefore I should just petition it to be easier for me" , then frankly the issue lies with you.

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Holy hell on wheels can nobody read that I said I'm fully capable of doing it, and have cleared it multiple times without dying, and that it's not because I need to "git gud", it's just that I'm damn tired of rude people that want it in one clear or they quit because they can't stand trying again?

I think I'm done with this thread, people just want to assume it's because I'm bad and refuse to acknowledge the negativity that plagues this playerbase (and many others, I'm sure).

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Originally Posted by Nononu

Yeah. That's entirely messed up there. But it's what I've come to expect from the people on the forums.

With that said, I ran EX 7 times with a chill PF party. I was shaking so bad by the end of it I had to drop out. I only caused the wipe the first time when we were still figuring out how to play with one another and everyone was really cool with it. I didn't wipe us again but I hated every moment of every single one of those 7 runs. It was so exhausting, mentally, as I have the same anxiety you have. (Well, not the -same-, I suppose, but very similar!)

The content should be able to be unsynced. I've never played any Monster Hunter games for more than five minutes but it's my understanding that you can run into any monster at cap level (?), in stupidly over leveled gear, and curb stomp them. Same deal here. It's not wrecking the contribution Capcom made if you can do it in their game, though I can see why they might think that.

I'm entirely with OP and I can't accurately describe how I feel about the whole "get better friends" thing, because the forum has strict rules about cussing. But uh. Enjoy being elitist and lonely, I guess? (Saying "get better friends" is NOT being blunt. It's being the worst. End of story.)

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However, thank you for understanding what I'm talking about.

Oh sure, my friends are only as good as their DPS numbers...
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I didn't say to remove your friends or to ditch them. Just get friends from tiers of play that are above you. I have friends that never step into EX content and others that go as high as clearing Ultimate multiple times and doing parse runs. I take players who I know are comfortable with the level of content of what I'm planning to run. Think I'll bring someone that doesn't step into EX to sub for Savage?

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think I'm done with this thread, people just want to assume it's because I'm bad and refuse to acknowledge the negativity that plagues this playerbase (and many others, I'm sure).

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Well, Im big enough to admit I misunderstood your initial post, so sorry in that regards.

However, It's still a you/your friend thing. This concept or belief that the PF is full of negativity is a skewed perception you have (along with the idea that grinding out the 50 tokens is to much. There are many players who grind out twice that for Wolfs). Possibly you had a bad experience or two. However, its on the whole fairly neutral if not positive. I've grinded out Rathalos. I know whats in the PF. Yes, there are bad eggs, but they are by and large the minority of players. If you feel anxious doing PF, perhaps maybe PF comes off as negative is because your anxiety is rubbing people the wrong way, or maybe youre misinterpreting what other people are saying. Perhaps you have really do have bad luck, and the RNG gods have deemed it fair to bless you with all the worst players. Dont know, but the idea that the player base is a cess pool of toxicity is hyperbole.

If your solution to PF is to use your friends, but they arent up to snuff, then help them get up to snuff. Again, thats an issue of self improvement. Instead of asking content be made easier, help your friends improve so they can do the content with you. It's either that or learn to cope better with the more negative aspects of PF. Again, this all goes right back to dealing with yourself and not finding excuses for the content. If you dont want to interact with other players, and you dont want to help your friends improve (or they have no interest in improving) then thats that. Find like minded people you gel with and can do the content then. That takes effort on your part. Stop saying "Well, it should be unsynched so my friends or I dont have to invest the effort in getting better or interacting with other players." It all comes back to what you can do, not asking or suggesting to SE that "PF sucks, so nerf it so I dont have to put the effort to solve this problem."

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Originally Posted by Nononu

I'm entirely with OP and I can't accurately describe how I feel about the whole "get better friends" thing, because the forum has strict rules about cussing. But uh. Enjoy being elitist and lonely, I guess? (Saying "get better friends" is NOT being blunt. It's being the worst. End of story.)

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While not worded right, the concept is pretty clear. Many of the "elite" players have many friends and are quite sociable happy people. They dont make excuses for the content. And they have friends who arent interested in the higher content. These 'elite' players just decide to play with other players or friends who can do the content. The fact you think people will be lonely because they seek out like minded people to do content is kinda shallow. If the friends you have arent willing to improve, then finding friends who can do the content is an option.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

You must not know how anxiety works. Surprisingly, I don't think I'll ever just stop being afraid of people being rude and yelling at me. It's not unfounded -- people playing this game have a tendency to be very strict, serious, and somehow seem to have zero fun ever in their lives. I wouldn't have any problem if people were like "hey yeah it's chill whatever" but the people who join my PFs are never like that. They want to win on the first attempt or they leave, and if I make a mistake I get yelled at.

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When I first started this game I couldn't us PF due to social anxiety. The thought of having to talk to other people while doing harder content keep me from doing a lot of ARRs endgame. In HW I forced myself to make PFs for all the endgame stuff I wanted to do and eventually I got over it. There are mean people out there that will tell over small mistakes, but if you let them scare you off you will never get anywhere. Just remember there are people out there that don't mind wipes or mistakes. Heck I tried GH EX last night for the first time and had to make many PFs since people keep rage quiting ( and I still didn't get it cleared), you just got to brush it off and move on.

Im not sure what server you're from, and you're definitely not wrong about negativity plaguing this game just as other games. Personally in my amount of time playing this game I've ran into a rather large proportion of positivity than negativity, of course you run into the few bad apples but other than that its been relatively smooth sailings, especially with Party Finder, the parties I either get put in or fill in for, are 9/10 chill and laid back. I dont know if it's just the Diabolos server, but I dont really have an issue much there.

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Originally Posted by Hezzlocks

To this effect, I even think *current* content should be able to be unsynced purely because of that reason: The fun of the challenge, push as hard and as far as you can go.

THIS is why I say more options, not less.

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No. Just no. I don't want this to be a game where they just hand things over to people that don't want to learn mechanics.

I don't think going into older content unsync is ever a bad thing if the rewards are adjusted accordingly. Right now you don't get gil, exp, or drops from mobs in unsync dungeons. The only rewards are clears, coffers, and challenge log entries.

I think the only place you could even possibly raise an argument about the rewards being too good is the coffers. You can get loot from any job/class, including ones that are the same level as the dungeon or lower. If you're strong enough to solo a dungeon, you should only be able to get gear for the job you're playing as. Then you could only possibly use it for glamours or GC seals.

As for player participation, unsync runs don't seem to affect it nearly as much as people make it out to. I have no problem finding people for old, obscure content in duty finder or party finder.

As for teaching people to ignore mechanics - I'll admit, it sort of does. But unsync isn't available for the content of whatever the latest expansion pack is at any given time. They're gonna have to wisen up anyway.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I think I'm done with this thread, people just want to assume it's because I'm bad and refuse to acknowledge the negativity that plagues this playerbase (and many others, I'm sure).

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I have to echo what other people are saying because it's only been the truth for me. I've cleared this fight nearly 100 times (50 totems for myself, then 50 totems for a friend) over a long span of time since it came out. At first I did farm the fight with like-minded savage players like myself and it was generally a breeze. After the raiding scene died down, the only people left trying this fight were people that missed it while it was fresh, my casual friends.

They were not in any way prepared for this fight and often griped to me how hard it was to clear this fight in PF. But because I wanted them to have their mount, I took it upon myself to run it with them, show them firsthand how clearable it is with as less stress as possible, and I got them to the level they needed to be in order to clear this fight with any PUG. Was the PF people generally negative? not at all in my experience. we all wiped many times but we all understand how RNG Rathalos can be in the 2nd phase and just rolled it off and tried again.

+1 to everything Melichoir said.