Favorite healer change previewed for 5.0?

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

And you wouldn't be healing that in about 99% of all cases. I suspect there's some Savage/Ultimate mechanic that would require them being maxed (Or doom, but if you don't notice that doom is still up, no arrow will help with that), but in most cases that is *not* worth a heal.

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I wonder if this was specifically added to help with mechanics that require your HP to be full.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

https://i.imgur.com/CZMjLGk.png

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*cries in O4s and O9s*

My favorite thing is the Dissipation now summons the fairy back automatically, now we can finally use the skill.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

I wonder if this was specifically added to help with mechanics that require your HP to be full.

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That is, I admit, a possibility I hadn't thought of, but at the same time I am not aware of any offhand, though I don't run the higher tier stuff myself to know all mechanics.

Lilies aren't pointless, nuff said.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Lilies aren't pointless, nuff said.

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4.0 Lilies were not good by any stretch, and we could tell before the game even went out.

I'm not quite sure. I have to experience the new healing rather than read about it. You know what I mean?

Also, it'll be a waste for me to buy the expansion. I boosted myself when Stormblood came out and I'm still on the beginning quests!

Stoopid fibro, chronic fatigue, etc...

*sigh*

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Lilies aren't pointless, nuff said.

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You're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

4.0 Lilies were not good by any stretch, and we could tell before the game even went out.

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Yeah and like eleventy million players told Yoshi the mechanic was horrible. He popped on and told players to not panic. He wrote that what we read was not the final iteration of what white mages would be.

Then S.E. released our job exactly the same as the version we all hated. I've never been so disappointed in Yoshi. I felt lied to and betrayed.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Yeah and like eleventy million players told Yoshi the mechanic was horrible and S.E. still went with it. I've never been so disappointed in the man.

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I remember. I was one of them, and I'm a SCH main. The lilies make more sense now than they did before, but whether they are good or not now? Eh...They're better?

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Yeah and like eleventy million players told Yoshi the mechanic was horrible. He popped on and told players to not panic. He wrote that what we read was not the final iteration of what white mages would be.

Then S.E. released our job exactly the same as the version we all hated. I've never been so disappointed in Yoshi. I felt lied to and betrayed.

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There was one note during one of the interviews that particularly stuck me.

Yoshi's answer to a question regarding design was along the lines of "We are always looking ahead of where we currently are when we design skills."

FF14 may be the only game to claim to have a 10 year roadmap that I totally believe they can reach (We're starting year 7 now), but that was one of the sore points for me. He speaks from a perspective of looking at the finish line, and while we can all appreciate big picture thinking, the issue is that whether or not we have it later doesn't impact how empty something may feel now.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

"We are always looking ahead of where we currently are when we design skills."

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Yeah, but that has NOTHING to do with the lilies, since they were entirely revamped for ShadowBringers.

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

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Theres no question that holy is going to see more use than Afflatus Misery, that's a given due to how long it takes to build up to AM. That being said, it's still a additional spell with 900 potency attack that WHM previously didn't have. Yeah you can only use it once every 90 seconds but I'd rather have it then not have it.


I'm more interested on mechanics im fights that would be requiring its use personally.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

4.0 Lilies were not good by any stretch, and we could tell before the game even went out.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

You're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

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I didn't say they were good, but at least they do something other than looking pretty. If it's anything like the 4.0 fiasco, I could see the Afflatus spells being turned into ogcd eventually.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I didn't say they were good, but at least they do something other than looking pretty. If it's anything like the 4.0 fiasco, I could see the Afflatus spells being turned into ogcd eventually.

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They really should be in the first place. WHM didn't just need instant cast heals, they needed them to be oGCD...Badly. If this actually happens, I imagine WHM will be pretty happy with things. And it's not even that big of a buff to...Whatever the damage skill is, since it's still ~90 seconds per use, though WHM technically would get to DPS more while getting it.

AST new skills seem like fun and are quite pretty ^^
I don't mind the card change so I'm ok with it.

I really like the new dps rank from WHM and AST.
I remember hating stone3 (that pesky screen blurr....) and Malefic2 in HW, so it's nice to enjoy the visual of your filler.

What else.... The Afflatus spells seems great to use altough a bit underwhelming. Perhaps making them 1.5s recast would make things more spicy (okayt I know it's not good for weaving but still)

Still no new LB3 animation for WHM and SCH.... #disapointed

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

Still no new LB3 animation for WHM and SCH.... #disapointed

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What's wrong with SCH's animation?

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

What's wrong with SCH's animation?

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It lacks .. "woomph", like you feel it's old.
Same for the BLM and SMN
The problem isn't coming from the design, per just the visual.

The meteor visual is old and looks cheap. (Mostly because most of the visual is "up" when you're looking "down") The Meteor animation tend to enter your camera so you see a part of the rock (like walking through a roof when you see both outside and inside)
SMN one feels bleh, like Arkmorn is shinnier than the 3 spark you shoot. (The wings are cool tho)

For sch it's just, we're summoning Seraph but beside a pulsing aura nothing else happens. And also, the fact that we can now have Seraph in battle makes the whole "I summon Seraph for a lb3 heal" a bit... underwhelming. Seraph used to be a big thing, it's a 2min cd (makes sens we're getting stronger), same could be said for SMN, we used to get bahamut like wings and shoot one of his signature move. Well now we have freaking Bahamut and Pheonix shooting Arkmorn and Revelation every 2min... I dunno.
My generic skills feel stronger (visually) than my LB3.

When the AST does LB3 i mean, that's something, when the RDM use LB3, it's like Vermillion havock-quack-inferno

(I'll refrain from commenting paladin LB3...)

So that's why, I'm not sure I explained my feeling adequatly but that's the gist of it. It just looks like a generic heal now and some of our skill actually look more powerful.
I'm not asking for AST style retina-burning LB3 but... just something that look strongr than my CD.

so all the whm spells are re-using old cast animations this time, and aero 3 is gone. Is is like this for the other healers? I feel like we were an afterthought at the last second...

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

so all the whm spells are re-using old cast animations this time, and aero 3 is gone. Is is like this for the other healers? I feel like we were an afterthought at the last second...

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It does feel that way, it feels like a step backwards in some respects, doesn't it? Maybe its something they plan to address in future patches we can hope :)

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Originally Posted by Knoahl

It does feel that way, it feels like a step backwards in some respects, doesn't it? Maybe its something they plan to address in future patches we can hope :)

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Forward and back and then go forward and back, and then go forward and back :p

For the first time ever, I’m not looking forward to any healing changes. I’m more hype about dancer

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

You do realize you can cast Holy 30 times in the time it takes to get the 3 lilies needed to nourish the blood lily to cast Afflatus Misery once. If I remember the tooltip right, Holy is now 180 potency with no drop off? That's 5400 potency compared to 900. Of course, you're unlikely to have the MP to cast holy 30 times, but it only takes 5 to equal the 900 potency of Misery plus Holy will stun which means your tank won't take as much damage while you're spamming it. I don't really see the potential in dungeons. And because of the time and GDC limitations, I really doubt it's going to make a whole lot of difference in the raid situation you mentioned.

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Why are you feeding words into their mouth? I don't think she said she'd go out of her way to get misery to pop, my assumption is if she gets it from healing she'd just save it for said add phase.

Offhand, what was/is the Recharge on Assize, anyways? 45 seconds? Just thinking of things.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Offhand, what was/is the Recharge on Assize, anyways? 45 seconds? Just thinking of things.

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Last time we saw a build, it was still at 45 seconds, no charge system on it which is silly though.

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Originally Posted by althenawhm

Last time we saw a build, it was still at 45 seconds, no charge system on it which is silly though.

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Mmm, I'm not sure charges on things like that is a good idea from a balance perspective, but I can understand wanting it. Either way, 45 seconds makes my timing off.

While I think that the changes are underwhelming for the most part, I am excited about Seraph! For once it feels like SCH has a capstone that actually feels like a cool final ability! Shame that all of the other changes are pretty bad though.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

I didn't say they were good, but at least they do something other than looking pretty. If it's anything like the 4.0 fiasco, I could see the Afflatus spells being turned into ogcd eventually.

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The Afflatus spell caught me completely by surprise. Finally, something which works with lilies in a positive way. It's a Tetragrammaton without a 60 sec cooldown, and when you cast it, it fills up another resource bar.

That's cool. I can accept a 2.5 sec GCD for that.



This new development is exciting and I'm going to attempt to play through Stormblood so it's worth my while buy Shadowbringer.