I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

I didnt read everything but i think the OP is just a bully who tryes to justify his actions. Who cares if someone wears the wrong gear while lvling. It hardly makes any difference and in the worst case you finish the dungeon 1 minute later so what.

The only time I usually ever check peoples gear is when things go really bad and if the healer has a item level 30 weapon in level 50+ extreme duty, the only thing I say is, that is a nice stick, no kicks from me though.

TIL wearing the wrong gear is "fun" for some people. Because who cares about the the fun of the other 3-7 people, right? They should carry the guy that doesn't want to do the bare minimum to be in the duty (proper gear), who probably doesn't even know his proper rotation either, because someone lazy enough to not get some pretty easy-to-get gear I highly doubt is gonna put the time learning his job either.

Personally, I wish they would put item-level requirements in leveling dungeons. >w>()
You wouldn't believe the number of times I've gotten ARR or HW dungeons where people would wear whatever they could just to be able to queue for the dungeon.
I've had dungeons run where both DPS were wearing crafting and/or gathering gear or runs where the tank wore caster/healer gear.
They should make NQ leveling gear cheaper and more readily available too.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I didnt read everything but i think the OP is just a bully who tryes to justify his actions. Who cares if someone wears the wrong gear while lvling. It hardly makes any difference and in the worst case you finish the dungeon 1 minute later so what.

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I don't think it's a matter of the wrong gear, it's a matter of having the bare minimum to do the content. This is an rpg, with stats and numbers. I've had healers that can't heal a tank that was only pulling 3 or 4 mobs. I've been there where my gear was making it hard on everyone because I couldn't keep up. If that sort of attitude persists that folks don't need the minimum ilvl for a duty then they end up staying that way. I met a tank in Byakko that had gear nowhere near the minimum requirement to get in, but because he made a pf. Him and a friend who both weren't geared properly used the fact that duty finder ignores comp and ilvl in a preformed party to get in. They both ended up dying constantly. Not just to the mechanics, but to aoes and the tank couldn't weather the tank busters or the stack and slam. What did they say when I pointed out their gear wasn't good enough to let them through the fight? They said "skill was more important than numbers." Numbers are everything in this game. To a degree a lot of your gear may be able to cut it if its 5 maybe 10 ilvls lower than it should, but you need to at least average out to the content. This game isn't monster hunter. You can't dodge all day and avoid all damage. The mechanics are designed around the entire party having the numbers to do and survive the bare minimum.

Accessories are role-restricted from L70. I'd imagine if they even just agreed to click the Recommended Gear button it would significantly improve a situation where they were wearing L60 accessories intended for another role. If SE's own auto-recommendations system didn't convince them they are the wrong type of accessories, what would?

If it's an alliance raid, there are 23 people and you really don't notice the difference if a few of them go AFK, so their gear doesn't matter. I don't personally spend my time in alliance raids examining the gear of 23 people. I hope you don't get hit by anything whilst studying all of their gear. :confused:

I agree with OP, I'm sorry I used to say it didn't matter but it's this kind of behavior that have people wearing extra low ilvl gear as well, making leveling dungeons a pain. Had a tank in Bardem getting one shot by the bosses leaving the dragoon to tank most of it becuase he was wearing the freaking shire gear not augmented just plain ole shire gear.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

They should make NQ leveling gear cheaper and more readily available too.

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Is a vendor in every settlement not enough?
What is with the vendors in the main cities, Ishgard and Reach?
Isn't this enough to be readily available?
Maybe it could be cheaper but that is mostly not the problem.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

TIL wearing the wrong gear is "fun" for some people. Because who cares about the the fun of the other 3-7 people, right? They should carry the guy that doesn't want to do the bare minimum to be in the duty (proper gear), who probably doesn't even know his proper rotation either, because someone lazy enough to not get some pretty easy-to-get gear I highly doubt is gonna put the time learning his job either.

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You lose about 10% dps if you switch to wrong primary stat accessories, thats all.
It wont ruin a game for you or anyone else if 1 person out of 4 will do 10% less, take it easy. Probably ilevels someone is running has more impact on synced duties than accessories, in fact items on dungeon ilvl are potentially better than someone running it at lvl 70 character.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You lose about 10% dps if you switch to wrong primary stat accessories, thats all.
It wont ruin a game for you or anyone else if 1 person out of 4 will do 10% less, take it easy. Probably ilevels someone is running has more impact on synced duties than accessories, in fact items on dungeon ilvl are potentially better than someone running it at lvl 70 character.

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It's encouraging laziness. Just another example of how the casual side of the community are some of the most selfish and inconsiderate people you'll ever come across in this game. All they care about is their own experience.

If someone can't be bothered to get level-appropriate gear for their job, they can go jump into someone else's backpack. I won't be carrying them.

I don't know where i stand on this matter. Maybe i give new players the benefit of the doubt too much.

But you should be at least somewhat okay geared to be doing content. Like if you are doing a lvl 42 dgn you shouldn't be wearing lvl 20 gear.

And then to complain about how everyone is an elitist trying to ruin your fun and experience is kind of selfish.

But i usually give sprouts a free pass most of the time, and its probably a bad habit i should try to break.

I remember an issue like this before. I know the tank was likely trolling but anyway. I ended up in aurum vale ( which is annoying to heal already). You get the usual female miqote in bikini gear. their hp was super low, not long after he pulls we wipe. The tank didn't even glamour the gear, just out right equipped it, when asked why his response was "Because my character is hot" I left instantly. I hate when people decide to waste everyone's time like that. Thankfully that hasn't happened again and hopefully never will.

I have never thought about kicking someone because of gear, though sometimes I will ask if they have anything better, since it could just be a mistake. I have entered dungeons without the right shoes (or any shoes) after an upgrade for example.

If the difference is only 10% for one player then it is basically in the noise for most DF content.

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

It's encouraging laziness. Just another example of how the casual side of the community are some of the most selfish and inconsiderate people you'll ever come across in this game. All they care about is their own experience.

If someone can't be bothered to get level-appropriate gear for their job, they can go jump into someone else's backpack. I won't be carrying them.

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FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

it's a good thing that you announced this so now i know to avoid you for being a tremendous jerk

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

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Casual game doesn't excuse people having to carry others. If everyone played the game casually, no one would have gotten past Shinryu.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

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I don't think they are asking to be competitive. I think they are asking to be competent.

Also that's unfair to say "Just do expert/savage content". You get rewarded for doing all roulettes.

Don't blame the player blame the game for giving people rewards for doing old content that will have new players in it.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

The point is, OP is simply overreacting to other people gameplay.

There is only one reason why someone could wear wrong gear and it is that they are lvling their job and have nothing to put on in the place so they wear anything they could.
It should not really be a deal, if someone is wearing 60 lvl accessories with wrong stat its really maybe about 10% in total dps output of the guy, the higher lvl the less impact it has on a dps since accessories comparing to armor does not give that much primary stat on lvl 70 in comparison to lvl 50 or 60.

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If a player can not show me the little effort it takes to get shop gear off of a vendor, then I have no issues with showing them the door.

You don't get a free pass because you're leveling. The only exception is that players who are under level 50 shouldn't really be bothering with high value accessories, because the difference is usually +1 str vs +2 str. However, you complete left side can be bought at level 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 , 30, 35, 40, 45, and 49.

Once you hit level 50, gear is handed to you, and then it's easily farmed for the BiS at level 50, and that gear lasts until around level 54, at which point vendor gear can be bought/made for level 54, 56, 58, 60 - then level 60s can get more poetic gear, and the cycle continues for gear at vendors, only this time accessories can be bought as well. The iLvl 270 gear usually loses its value at level 64 - which vendor gear can be bought in exchange. Once again, vendor gear can be bought at level 64, 66, and 68 - then you are given 290 gear, and can easily make you way up.

For Christ sakes, is the bar that low that we have to give everyone a pass when you learn about gear and iLvl in the very low ARR quests?

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

FFXIV is a casual game you could play how you like, you are not being asked to be competitive or make it a part of your life.
If someone expect competitive gameplay he/she should play 70 lvl expert/savage content and not bother about lvling dungeons, since there are all kinds of people playing there with messed up gear from many different levels. Low lvl dungeons/trials has been adjusted so anyone could just go through them whatever eq someone has.

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You're confusing competitive & competent.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

Casual game doesn't excuse people having to carry others. If everyone played the game casually, no one would have gotten past Shinryu.

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We are talking about 10% difference between someone having full set accessories with primary stat, and someone who has something else.
Should we start complaining about those who play "worse" job dps, since the differences between "best" and "worst" are greater than 10%? Its still a point right, why should we allow monks doing dungeons when they are doing around 27% less than black mages? They could as well play black mages, nothing stops them from doing so, am i right?

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

I don't think they are asking to be competitive. I think they are asking to be competent.

Also that's unfair to say "Just do expert/savage content". You get rewarded for doing all roulettes.

Don't blame the player blame the game for giving people rewards for doing old content that will have new players in it.

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If you put it into pragmatic perspective, then you are better of doing dungeon with someone who has non-primary stat accessories, instead of wasting a time for kicking him and searching for someone else. You either make dungeon 3-4% longer or risk you get someone worse-same and spend time on all this process anyway. You may as well get a monk in your dungeon and do it much longer than you would do with a guy who got kicked simply due to the DPS job differences. You may also kick away a long-time player who have know-how since he is lvling other job and who will do much better than any newbie out there.
There is literally no point in bragging about someone else accessories, it has little to no impact on your dungeon run.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Also, how do people even manage to do this? I know you can equip, for example, HW tank gear as a DPS. However, once you get to level 70 gear, it seems to be all locked to classes/jobs that actually use whatever the main stat is. As a DRG, I couldn't equip a level 70 non-DRG piece even if I wanted to.

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You could not, others simply will use an old lv 60 or worse or even none at alll ive run into plenty...

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Originally Posted by alimdia

TIL wearing the wrong gear is "fun" for some people. Because who cares about the the fun of the other 3-7 people, right? They should carry the guy that doesn't want to do the bare minimum to be in the duty (proper gear), who probably doesn't even know his proper rotation either, because someone lazy enough to not get some pretty easy-to-get gear I highly doubt is gonna put the time learning his job either.

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That yeah.... like idm a bit low, but like i just had ppl on the burn using 300 and 320 stuff, rly fun. Cause we are lazy. Just today i helped some ppl clear coil... the blm was lv 60, but still used the lv 120 gear - turns out story wise hes around mor dhona so i suppose 2.x and ofc he didnt have and lv 50+ skills... fun. I pointed him theres that lv250 gear on the mb but he just said its too exensive... lol like 30k for a wep.

He still was rather new and all but still... back then i literally talked to every npc and checked the mb for gear...

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Had a tank in Bardem getting one shot by the bosses leaving the dragoon to tank most of it becuase he was wearing the freaking shire gear not augmented just plain ole shire gear.

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I had such an SCH.. he literally used the lv 145 book.... no chance.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You lose about 10% dps if you switch to wrong primary stat accessories, thats all.
It wont ruin a game for you or anyone else if 1 person out of 4 will do 10% less, take it easy.

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Ok so if i join an ex primal or just get into an dungeon boss and we wipe on 1-3% cause dps-check/too low dps its ok and fun, yeah?

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Originally Posted by van_arn

If a player can't afford npc gear, then they're still not ready for group content.

If you can't afford to level a different job, then it's time to learn how to earn gil before continuing.

Sorry to be so callous, but I have zero sympathy for players that think so much of themselves they feel a party is obligated to help them without putting in anything themselves.

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Well, I was thinking this was all circled around normal dungeon runs.
I think people are taking this a little too serious to be honest.
I just try to play the game, not sit and analyses everyone's gear.

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Originally Posted by Avenger

I have never thought about kicking someone because of gear, though sometimes I will ask if they have anything better, since it could just be a mistake. I have entered dungeons without the right shoes (or any shoes) after an upgrade for example.

If the difference is only 10% for one player then it is basically in the noise for most DF content.

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i do all the time. usually its because its a healer in a stormblood leveling dungeon asking me to single pull because theyre wearing i200 gear or less.

the most recent time was a sch wearing a mix of ironworks and primal gear with a crafted garuda book. in sirensong. yeah i kicked them at the first available opportunity.

People who choose to wear shit gear in levelling dungeons are one of the worst kind of players in this game. I'm still seeing this while levelling tanks in dungeons such as Bardam's Mettle. That i148 weapon is really going to deal some damage to these mobs pal, good job! Just add another 20 minutes to the run why don't you? Repeat ad nauseum for another expansion.

Am I the only one who's saving up tons of gil in order to prevent this kind of thing? Yeah, crafted gear may not be BiS, but it's tradable and can be obtained immediately without having to unlock tomestone vendors and what-not.

Eh. I'd be on your side if they wore Crocs or slops or some truly EGREGIOUS fashion faux pas, but inspecting every lowbie's rings and what not is too much imo.

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Originally Posted by OrangeCrystarium

People who choose to wear shit gear in levelling dungeons are one of the worst kind of players in this game. I'm still seeing this while levelling tanks in dungeons such as Bardam's Mettle. That i148 weapon is really going to deal some damage to these mobs pal, good job! Just add another 20 minutes to the run why don't you? Repeat ad nauseum for another expansion.

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PTSD of running with players in shire gear in Doma castle...

I have a confession. When I leveled my mch I auto equiped str accessories from when I leveled sam. I did not change them out til the Aery/Vault. I am a terrible person, but in each dungeon I usualpy was somehow, regrettably the highest dps. I will take my punishment now.

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Originally Posted by OrangeCrystarium

People who choose to wear shit gear in levelling dungeons are one of the worst kind of players in this game. I'm still seeing this while levelling tanks in dungeons such as Bardam's Mettle. That i148 weapon is really going to deal some damage to these mobs pal, good job! Just add another 20 minutes to the run why don't you? Repeat ad nauseum for another expansion.

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The sad part is, gear is practically thrown at people just by questing. I don't have every single dungeon set for my soon to be Gunbreaker, but I made sure I had all the questing/crafted pieces from 64-68, with a planned full Scaevan set waiting at 70. It's...really not a hard process. People just tend to be lazy sometimes when they're leveling. As a dps it's a bit easier to get by with this mentality....but as a tank or healer? Yeah, good luck downing bosses in Doma Castle or Castrum Abania if all you have is Shire gear. It is made worse by inexperience.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Well, I was thinking this was all circled around normal dungeon runs.
I think people are taking this a little too serious to be honest.
I just try to play the game, not sit and analyses everyone's gear.

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It's more that if gear is so bad someone notices how bad it is... boot.

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Originally Posted by Missbone

I didnt read everything but i think the OP is just a bully who tryes to justify his actions. Who cares if someone wears the wrong gear while lvling. It hardly makes any difference and in the worst case you finish the dungeon 1 minute later so what.

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If you can't pick up some NQ white gear from an NPC to give you some baseline stats across the gear board, then I will do my best to put you back into a position where you can.
Helping one to better ones self is not bullying. It may just be a hard lesson, is all.

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Originally Posted by VillainQueen

That sounds like you are abusing the kick feature.

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Nope, no abuse here, the players who have the wrong gear, would mean they have a "difference of playstyle" to the one who initiated a kick, and you are allowed to kick for a Difference of Playstyle.
Nice try bud.
We need to be harsher on deliberately under performing people, or else they'll just keep doing what they're doing, wasting everyone else's time.

And what's wrong with trying your hardest and actually making sure you have the gear for the dungeon?
It's one of the reasons why I leveled crafter, so I can make HQ gear at the right level for the classes I am leveling, so I don't drag anyone down.
People should be trying their best in every dungeon they do, only solo content is the content you should be slacking in, because it doesn't affect anyone else.

To be fair, if you aren't bothered to buy even basic white left-side gear for your alt classes, they give you the option of PotD, HoH, and Squadrons. No excuse really.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

Yeah yeah, I know that's a loaded header, but hear me out!

I wish Square-Enix would put class restrictions on accessories like they do with the rest of the gear.

I can't tell you guys how many times I'll get into a group with a caster wearing a mix-match of DEX/STR rings and other accessories that don't offer them any use to their class. And to top it all off, literally every-time I've ever mentioned this to someone--the response is always extreme hostility or extreme arrogance.

I'm totally cool with new players who don't know better making mistakes and then willing to learn and improve. That's great, they get a pass, because they're trying! I'd never kick someone for trying.

But man, I ask some folks why they're using a strength ring on their blackmage, and they say it increases their hit chance. I tell them that's not right. And they blow up on me. Those are the people I kick. And I do it way too often for it to just be a fluke. Like once a week often.

Is there a way we can fix this?

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You are going to get in trouble!

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

You are going to get in trouble!

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No she's not~♪
She's covered under the "Difference of Play style" I mentioned earlier.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

No she's not~♪
She's covered under the "Difference of Play style" I mentioned earlier.

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He will be. That doesn't give him a reason to kick someone. They need to stop being so toxic.

It's exactly this toxic attitude why you aren't getting an in-game parser.
Stop being weird and inspecting everyone's gear at the start of the dungeon, this isn't WoW.

Fascinating that the ones that casually fling around the word "toxic" tend to be the toxic ones in this game.

You do what your party expects or your party can boot. That's the fairest thing possible, for anyone.

I try to kick people for wearing crafting gathering gear in dungeons. Like the other day when I was in the level 24 dungeon and a healer was wearing a mix of crafting and gathering gear lol.

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Originally Posted by Lunalepsy

He will be. That doesn't give him a reason to kick someone. They need to stop being so toxic.

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Difference in playstyle has been confirmed to be a legitimate reason for a kick by SE.
They consider it better to not engage rather than having a dispute.

is it lower level dungeon? if it were me i just let it go if it pre50 dungeon, sometimes player do that just to up their ilvl so they can meet the minimum ilvl for dungeon.