How find normal players for last quest?

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

I want just SAME practic like Ifrit. Not hard but not FAST (10 second) fight. Its enouth. 1 min fight with boss. Not 10 seconds after all the suspense with 1-50 do not you think?

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That's not the fault of the players. That's the design of the instance. In order to emulate that you would need to party finder a minimum item level set version of the dungeon or ask players to halt all action for dozens of seconds at a time.

The former is on you to arrange. The latter hardly makes for a dramatic final fight either.

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That's not the fault of the players. That's the design of the instance. In order to emulate that you would need to party finder a minimum item level set version of the dungeon or ask players to halt all action for dozens of seconds at a time.

The former is on you to arrange. The latter hardly makes for a dramatic final fight either.

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Players can just not rush like racers if see beginners in party. Or the system should give a hint in advance that there is a way to pass the dungeon with someone. And not with a group of desperate.
I think the problem is that the players just do not care about the newbies who come into the game, like the developers. Same problem on many mmorpgs).

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

Players can just not rush like racers if see beginners in party. Or the system should give a hint in advance that there is a way to pass the dungeon with someone. And not with a group of desperate.
I think the problem is that the players just do not care about the newbies who come into the game, like the developers. Same problem on many mmorpgs).

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But you're in a war situation. Not rushing is the antithesis of what you want to do when you know the Ultima Weapon could be awoken at any moment and singlehandedly turn your siege around. I thought you cared for the context and suspense of the story...?

Joking aside, I direct you again to my previous post. Not rushing means standing idle for seconds at a time. Not pushing anything, not bothering to attack while enemies wail on your tank. That's not exactly amazing either.

For the experience you're looking for, minimum item level party finder is what you need. Coming to the forums to proclaim lv70s hate newbies won't change a thing.

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

And HOW old players help new players? Just avoid all mechanics and mobs for faster exp from dung?) Dont need this help lol. Its a strange help. And tank with this help (rush dung) can understand how game work? I think no. Just creators dont know what happening if in party with 3 old players play 1 new player. All dung becomes like a race. Do not look around, do not feel the area just run run run run run faster.

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I don't think you're understanding how the party system works. All through the game so far, it might seem like you're being matched with players that are close to your level, but actually a lot of them will be high-leveled players that have been adjusted down to your level.

Without high-leveled players, you would have to wait for three (or seven) other new players to all queue for that dungeon at the same time.



If Ifrit is dying in "seconds" then you're either exaggerating or you're joining an unsynched party via Party Finder. Done normally, it's still a fight. You still get to do stuff.

If you care about harder battles, don't stay at level 50 trying to get "the real experience" of all the fights. Move on. Get to Lv60 or 70 where the fights are more challenging. Even the mid-story trials are a struggle in Stormblood right now, and the Heavensward ones are more complicated too.



Also, unless Pepsi_Plunge has guessed correctly and you're talking about the 'sleeping' armoured giants in Caatrum (which you're supposed to sneak around, not wake up)... either you're misunderstanding, describing it wrong, or something strange is happening with your game. Enemies should not be "asleep", and people rarely use sleeping spells in dungeons.

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minimum item level party finder is what you need

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Why its not write on describe? And this not work coz everyone does what the system says ->push dity finder and go. System not help with party finder.

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Coming to the forums to proclaim lv70s hate newbies won't change a thing.

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Its not true? All 70 spit on beginners gaming experience. For me, dungeons are adventures. If for someone they became the subject of currency extraction, this is their problem. If, in the understanding of players and developers, it is a means of extracting currency, then why invent a story? Just do non-soul korean mmo-games and no complaints.

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Also, unless Pepsi_Plunge has guessed correctly and you're talking about the 'sleeping' armoured giants in Caatrum (which you're supposed to sneak around, not wake up)... either you're misunderstanding, describing it wrong, or something strange is happening with your game. Enemies should not be "asleep", and people rarely use sleeping spells in dungeons.

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So why on start dungeon all fast run computer and go to next level. And many solders stay before pc and its all. Why the soldiers do not interfere with the use of the portal idk. Seems like speedrun mario lol.

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If you care about harder battles, don't stay at level 50 trying to get "the real experience"

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I lost the gaming experience when the bosses talked about from 1 to 49 as the main threat died faster than frogs near the capital. Im not need ultra new content from new addons. I want kill main story enemies once time like enemies. Not like rats.

The further you get into the game, the less of a problem it will be. That's it. That's all we can tell you.

People have explained, and offered advice, and told you the methods you can use to get the experience you want.

The "normal" game experience at level 50 only will not give it to you.

We cannot fix this for you (besides repeating the suggestions already given).

You can follow those suggestions, or move on into Heavensward where the new bosses are still challenging, and realise it stops being a problem after this point.

Also, I'm sorry, but your English is not clear enough to understand the other problems you are trying to describe.

If you have no interest in (or appreciation of) the advice people are trying to give you, then I don't see a reason for me to continue discussing it

So, basically, you say that because all my Jobs are 60 or above, I should never again be allowed to do ARR Content, even if I love certain instances?

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

Why its not write on describe? And this not work coz everyone does what the system says ->push dity finder and go. System not help with party finder.



Its not true? All 70 spit on beginners gaming experience. For me, dungeons are adventures. If for someone they became the subject of currency extraction, this is their problem. If, in the understanding of players and developers, it is a means of extracting currency, then why invent a story? Just do non-soul korean mmo-games and no complaints.



So why on start dungeon all fast run computer and go to next level. And many solders stay before pc and its all. Why the soldiers do not interfere with the use of the portal idk. Seems like speedrun mario lol.



I lost the gaming experience when the bosses talked about from 1 to 49 as the main threat died faster than frogs near the capital. Im not need ultra new content from new addons. I want kill main story enemies once time like enemies. Not like rats.

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1. The game does explain both party finder and the duty finder settings. You can set your duty requirements as you wish.

2. The only player I see spitting on other players is an apparent level 51 Paladin. Calling people nerds because they're simply level 70 is not a good way to endear yourself to the playerbase

3. The soldiers will target a single player that has the aggro, there are 8 players. That leaves 7 players untouched to touch the portals. They do not sleep and you'll find that the 1 player who has this aggro either suicides or manages to get through the portal with a lucky break in between the auto attacks of the soldiers. I suspect as you label yourself a tank, you took it upon yourself to get aggro of these soldiers and the other players left you behind, this is what happens nowadays I'm afraid.

4. This, once again, is down to the level sync mechanics. Your gear gets synced down relevant to your level. As you are doing level 50 dungeons, you are synced down to level 50 and your gear is synced down to the maximum allowable level for a level 50 player. Because there is a large number of level 50 dungeons that you still have to do, your gear level, at 50, needs to be higher. This has the unfortunate side effect of being too overpowered for Cape Westwind, Praetorium and Castrum Meridian. These are LITERALLY the only times you will see this overpowered effect via duty finder.

Every single main story enemy after and before these 3 instances will last a couple of minutes. The developers have learnt from this and have developed the game in such a way that this doesn't happen further down the line.

Just the players are not interested in this problem. Therefore, it is. Everything just silently farm resources. Few players are worried about the history of the game being played.

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Every single main story enemy after and before these 3 instances will last a couple of minutes. The developers have learnt from this and have developed the game in such a way that this doesn't happen further down the line.

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Lol and in new addons if i not skip cutscene after black screen I can see died boss. Because everyone can move while I'm watch story? Or how?

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So, basically, you say that because all my Jobs are 60 or above, I should never again be allowed to do ARR Content, even if I love certain instances?

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Its to me?

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Calling people nerds because they're simply level 70 is not a good way to endear yourself to the playerbase

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I call the level 70 nerds those who rush forward with their legs when I ask to run slower. Can I see instin in fast forward? The first impression is remembered more than others. Why, being a high level, I didn’t say new player “why are you running so slowly? Just that person doesn't care about the other. He just needs to get some coins from this dungeon. Oh and faster.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

But you should be careful not to get hit by Thunder III as

you forgot about Black Mage :D
(but I think the OP probably meant the magitek army on the parade ground no tank with a sane mind will ever pull as you can just run past them)

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BLM can Sleep mobs? :o I have to admit, the only skill I was thinking of that could Sleep stuff was CNJ/WHM Repose lol. Ofc I don't play BLM that often, so if I forgot about it having a Sleep, that's probably why lol.

But yeah, I figured OP meant mobs that people avoid or those odd ones that you'll rush by that simply don't aggro you. Kind of like "Nope, I saw what you did to the OTHER mobs. I don't want any of that. Just let me sit here."

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

Just the players are not interested in this problem. Therefore, it is. Everything just silently farm resources. Few players are worried about the history of the game being played.

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You clearly still fail to understand that many players have done these duties countless times. No, we aren't interested in watching cutscenes every run because we've already seen them. We know them. We know the lore. Just because we don't watch them every time we're in a duty doesn't mean we don't appreciate the story, so stop with that nonsense. This is not "a problem"; you can't force players to play the game the way you want them to play.

Unless I'm running on an alt and doing the story for the first time on that character, I have my client set to automatically skip any and all skippable cutscenes I've seen before because I've already seen them. Many times. I have more than one character that I play this game on. Some players aren't here for the story at all, though; and you can't force them to care about it.

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Lol and in new addons if i not skip cutscene after black screen I can see died boss. Because everyone can move while I'm watch story? Or how?

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No one cares if you want to watch the cutscenes. I've never seen a player complain about a new player enjoying the cutscenes. Watch them to your little heart's content. Just don't expect players to stick around after an instance is over while you do so. We have other duties to do now.

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I call the level 70 nerds those who rush forward with their legs when I ask to run slower. Can I see instin in fast forward? The first impression is remembered more than others. Why, being a high level, I didn’t say new player “why are you running so slowly? Just that person doesn't care about the other. He just needs to get some coins from this dungeon. Oh and faster.

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People speeding through Castrum and Praetorium is nothing new - players were doing this back aa far back at 2.0 itself. These dungeons are both very long and can be very tedious - Castrum is 35-40 mins with all the cutscenes, and Praetorium can take up to an hour. You can't expect everyone to want to RP walk through this content when they're doing it for the 500th time. I can guarantee that, if you'd done these dungeons 500 times, you would want them over with as soon as possible, too.

Stop calling people names and just go play the game. No one is going to want to help you if you continue with this attitude.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Stop calling people names and just go play the game. No one is going to want to help you if you continue with this attitude.

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This x10.

We are all aware of the problem, and there's nothing we can do about it. It sucks that the new players don't get to experience older content the way a lot of us got to, but that's just the way the game evolves. Lv50 content is now a stepping stone, but now that you're 51 the learning experience will pick back up because the content is fairly balanced until you get to 60. Lv 60 content will be zerged like lv50, but then once you get to 61 it rebalances and repeats until lv70.

The problem, again, as Hyo succinctly points out, is that there are large gaps in item level at 50, 60 and 70. The content you have problem with was tuned for level 45/55 gear (fresh lv50 gear) but the gear cap itself at level 50 is 130/135. So there's 80 some odd levels of gear just for level 50 characters. If I were to join as a level 70 character, it would sync me down to the highest gear at lv50, not the lowest entry level gear. Maybe we can have a debate about whether SE should fix that or not, but that's a separate discussion. Same applies at level 60, entry level 60 gear is around 190 item level, but the gear cap is 270/275. Again a wide range of gear for just a single character level. That's because these were level caps at some point but content had to keep scaling up until the next expansion, instead of giving us extra levels we just get more powerful gear.

This is such a non-problem once you get to current content, which is why most people are finding your comments rather silly - you are just getting feet wet in this game, there is so much more to do and you shouldn't let 6 year old content dictate your feelings about the game or it's players. I mean, even the job(s) you are playing now aren't the same as the were when said content was relative, lv50 jobs are a shell of what they used to be when lv50 was the cap.

On the bright side, consider this: if you stick with it and make it to 70, soon there will be a new expansion and you'll get to experience it all as it was meant to be experienced, before nerfs/adjustments/job changes ruin it all later down the line.

We are trying to tell you it gets better*, but if you want to stay hung up on 6-year old, dead lv50 content - it's your call.

* - the attitude of players wanting to complete content as fast as they generally can does not change, but I don't think that's an exclusive phenomenon of THIS game. It's likely to occur in *any* game where you have repetitive farming/looting designs. If you want a "stop and smell the roses" type of game, you're probably going to have to go offline.

can't expect people that have been playing the game for 5-6 years to care about new people running it for the first time. that's just the way the world works.

if you don't like it, then don't play the game. otherwise, suck it up and move on. complain all you like but you won't get people to agree with you no matter what you say.

As others have mentioned, the only way to get the true experience is Party Finder with lowest iLv cap that is appropriate for the content you desire.

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

I call the level 70 nerds those who rush forward with their legs when I ask to run slower. Can I see instin in fast forward? The first impression is remembered more than others. Why, being a high level, I didn’t say new player “why are you running so slowly? Just that person doesn't care about the other. He just needs to get some coins from this dungeon. Oh and faster.

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Just because ask doesn't mean anyone his obligated to acquiesce. If you run an Expert dungeon and I happen to be on tank, I will do either big or super pulls because I have precisely zero interest in taking a scenic route of the dungeon. I've ran it several times by now and am only there to collect the daily bonus. If you want to take your time, either go with friends or put up a PF.

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Just because ask doesn't mean anyone his obligated to acquiesce. If you run an Expert dungeon and I happen to be on tank, I will do either big or super pulls because I have precisely zero interest in taking a scenic route of the dungeon. I've ran it several times by now and am only there to collect the daily bonus. If you want to take your time, either go with friends or put up a PF.

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Relax just spent money. Easier to return to WOW. I do not feel my character as a character defeating evil. The first impression is remembered forever and it was spoiled. What to do). About the time. I do not think that 5 minutes spent by the group is more valuable than 2 months waiting for the last boss.

The best way to experience your dungeons your way is to do it with your FC.

And for your feeling of conquering evil, be patient, you will feel it much more at Heavensward once you get to Ishgard.

About these dungeons MSQ, it was the last time they made this type of dungeon where many cutscenes are integrated into the dungeon. For the future, they learned the lesson and integrated the cutscene at the beginning and end of the dungeon, with an introduction for the last boss.

This feeling of rolling on the boss, you will not feel it in Heavensward anymore, except in raid 8/24.


In general, the game experience before the first expansion is quite deplorable.

SE wanted new players not to be abandoned to their fate and allow HL to ply with newbie in exchange of Xp and Tomestone rewards. But nothing is perfect, we roll on old content despite the sync.

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The best way to experience your dungeons your way is to do it with your FC.

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Game not say about that. I push in dungeon area and open menu "duty finder". There is a thought that in the dungeon without a full group can not get. Nothing about group with 2 players. Ah dont worry. 1-49 company more interesting for me than 10 lvls company.

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

I push in dungeon area and open menu "duty finder". There is a thought that in the dungeon without a full group can not get. Nothing about group with 2 players.

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Before signing up for the dungeon/duty either solo or with the pre-made group from e.g. party finder, you can access from the Duty Finder settings (a cogweel button in the top corner when you open the Duty Finder, see hidden image below) the option to set "Under-sized party", that will allow you to go in with fewer party members (or even solo) for some duties. The setting for minimum item level (IL) can also be found there.

See this image, and check the option you want in the game in the Duty settings:

https://i.imgur.com/aSsuwZK.png

This is so adorable.

Sigh, wish I hadn't read this thread, way to start the day with a headache.

Stop giving OP attention.
Despite his bad attitude, his original question has been answered with many possible solutions by players far more patient than I could ever be.
His mind is set on refusing any and all of your suggestions and bashing the game and its players. It's clear nothing we say will change that.
At this point he's just throwing a childish tantrum for attention, best is to ignore this behavior as to not further encourage it.

Ignore him and either he'll move on or quit the game. Truly, we don't need this type of player.

*Throws grammar book at OP*

Bless this community and their patience.

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Sigh, wish I hadn't read this thread, way to start the day with a headache.

Stop giving OP attention.
Despite his bad attitude, his original question has been answered with many possible solutions by players far more patient than I could ever be.
His mind is set on refusing any and all of your suggestions and bashing the game and its players. It's clear nothing we say will change that.
At this point he's just throwing a childish tantrum for attention, best is to ignore this behavior as to not further encourage it.

Ignore him and either he'll move on or quit the game. Truly, we don't need this type of player.

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Do you know what the first impression is? If not, then good luck with "an interesting gaming experience." Even if I pass this dungeon as you suggest, I will still remember the poor first experience. I respect the dungeons, and all the things there. To run past the soldiers as if they do not exist is nonsense.

And do not pretend to be blind. This dungeon topic has been raised many times. Or not?

I'm sure in the other dungeons 70 players want to go the same way. But the equalization system prevents them.

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Before signing up for the dungeon/duty either solo or with the pre-made group from e.g. party finder, you can access from the Duty Finder settings (a cogweel button in the top corner when you open the Duty Finder, see hidden image below) the option to set "Under-sized party", that will allow you to go in with fewer party members (or even solo) for some duties. The setting for minimum item level (IL) can also be found there.

See this image, and check the option you want in the game in the Duty settings:

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Thanks. Others said about this feature. It is a pity only in the game itself there are no clues about this. And I’ll first have to stop at the needy, get bad memories of the quick death of the bosses.

Sounds to me like you're taking one experience and generalizing it. Honestly it's only the cape westwind and a couple of other lvl 50 8 man stuff that goes down relatively quickly, the rest is pretty normal. Just keep going :)

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Sounds to me like you're taking one experience and generalizing it. Honestly it's only the cape westwind and a couple of other lvl 50 8 man stuff that goes down relatively quickly, the rest is pretty normal. Just keep going :)

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But next bosses not have long story 1-49. Not have epic ending like light of warrior.

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

But next bosses not have long story 1-49. Not have epic ending like light of warrior.

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It's a continuation of the same story.

Heavensward's ending is just as epic, especially the Dragonsong finale.

Do you think it's all over at Lv50?

The story still has a very long way to go. Lv50 is only the end of Episode 1.

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But next bosses not have long story 1-49. Not have epic ending like light of warrior.

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Heavensward and Stormblood may only encompass 10 levels in each of their expansions, but Heavensward's story is widely considered far better than A Realm Reborn's story; the level 64~66 range of Stormblood is absolutely amazing in terms of story and lore as well, and includes on of my favorite MSQ solo instances. ARR doesn't even pick up until the level 40s, as most of the beginning is a lot of filler. HW and SB have less filler.

You've barely started the story at this point in the game's life.

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Originally Posted by Kyasunshine

And do not pretend to be blind. This dungeon topic has been raised many times. Or not?

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Irrelevant, the topic of this thread is "How find normal players for last quest?"
That question has been answered multiple times by the patient people in this forum. Make a party finder stating your objective, select minimum item level when you go in. The difficulty will be similar to what it was originally in 2013/14.
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About dungeon topic: Yes, it has been raised many times in the appropriate threads, I'm sure. Meanwhile, you're just dragging this thread off-topic indefinitely as long as you're set on your little tantrum (I have no better word to describe your behavior without entering offensive territory).
Kindly, move on to the appropriate threads to discuss that topic, if that's so important to you. I somehow doubt it really is, judging by your attitude, going so far as name calling party members who did nothing but play the game as usual, and retorting in less than polite manner to the people here who tried to help you earnestly. Once you did that, you lost all my respect or will to help you.

I stand by what I said in my previous post and will reply no more, as what I'm saying will not get through to you and I'm simply feeding the thread further.

Just a question.
All Realm reborn raids 50 lvl have same problems? All bosses die before i can touch them? (10 sec fights).

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That question has been answered multiple times

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Yes create party finder and waait 1000000 mins somebody cuz new players dont use this function (dont know about that). And how could you help? Delete my first run memories?


MMo its about fight with bosses. Not a heartless farm of coins. (200 points lol).

Everything else after the Preatorium dies less slowly. Course the bone dragon melts but even when it was new it still died fast and it's meant to do that. This is what everyone else has tried to tell you that everything dies slower unless you unsync it and run it with a max level character. You're going to always run into this problem due to the huge gap the item level almost doubles going from ilv of 55 if you're just rocking your jse to stuff that's 120.

I do know there are mini guides in the game that tries to explain just about any new system you use on the first time using it. Should they maybe explain things better? Yes but then there is also no way of making people read any of that or to go through any kind of tutorial. I mean look at the novice hall it has gear in it that lasts you til about 23/24 and a ring that gives you an xp boost, but most either do just the min and then continue their merry way while wondering why they might be doing poorly in a party setting. Though I disagree with some of the things it teaches like always making sure the tank's hp is at full or making the dps pick up adds, or failing you if you dot things other than the tank's main target. Yes there are times when dps will need to do so or the tank needs to be at full hp, but for the majority of content in this game it's not the case.

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All Realm reborn raids 50 lvl have same problems? All bosses die before i can touch them? (10 sec fights).

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ARR raids are actually quite difficult and take a while to kill. Basically everything after Preatorium takes time to kill. They just made the first few fights really easy and die really fast to ease players into raiding. They consider everyone to be new and they don't want to give them too much difficulty right away so they made things easy. But it gets much harder after.