New Instanced Raids (03/07/2012)

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Mobs are always recycled until expansions or if they are adding a completely new areas in every single MMOs.

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at least its not imps lol. Could you picture an army of those things Q.Q

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Of course there is a solution, impose a penalty if you have too many of the same class.

Take their frikkin "strength in numbers" away.

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Jinko you have just become my new best friend, do it SE, more than 3 of one class/job and they loose their strength in numbers, make it work as you intended

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't think the Monk dashed, it looks more like the editor simply sped up the frames to get us immediately into the action instead of waste time watching the characters run there normally. I mean, no ability on the action bar went into cooldown when it happened, and his friends were already waiting there when he arrived.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Of course there is a solution, impose a penalty if you have too many of the same class.

Take their frikkin "strength in numbers" away.

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Or you could just not complain and let other people do content however they want.

Balance is a developer problem, they should be making sure that fights can't be trivialized by stacking a certain class. If it can then that is a viable strategy (hopefully not the only one). Putting in an arbitrary penalty if you aren't running the rainbow coalition of jobs is a pretty lazy fix. As would be giving every class a single necessary group buff, no one said it was easy making a good MMO.

Make every class useful, what players do is their business if you give them the proper tools to work with they will come up with various strategies to accomplish results beyond even the developer's expectations. In this aspect FFXIV has so far not done so great yet. But that is why we are getting jobs and other combat changes.

Also alliance content please.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Mobs are always recycled until expansions or if they are adding a completely new areas in every single MMOs.

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Doesn't mean I can't have naive hopes that S-E doesn't go the route of every other single MMO : p
SE has in fact shoved new mobs (not exclusivly boss monsters) into content patches in the past ^^

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Originally Posted by RexArkania

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't think the Monk dashed, it looks more like the editor simply sped up the frames to get us immediately into the action instead of waste time watching the characters run there normally. I mean, no ability on the action bar went into cooldown when it happened, and his friends were already waiting there when he arrived.

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Uh.. Look again.. Action went to cooldown before he dashed... and you can't just "speed one person" without Speeding everything else.. and everything in its entire didn't speed up.

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

What are there number and letters on loading screen? [0-13][L0/W0]

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Probably just data for the debug version of the client.

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Originally Posted by RexArkania

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't think the Monk dashed, it looks more like the editor simply sped up the frames to get us immediately into the action instead of waste time watching the characters run there normally. I mean, no ability on the action bar went into cooldown when it happened, and his friends were already waiting there when he arrived.

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No I don't think that is the case.

1)Notice how everyone else is still moving at the same pace. He is the ONLY one that speeds up.

2)Notice he looks to be moving out as far as he can as to INTENTIONALLY show off the ability. Each time he does it.

Taking into account to that ability it makes since why they didn't take the view of the paladin if they wanted a close up view or a mage to show off more of the environment.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Or you could just not complain and let other people do content however they want.

Balance is a developer problem, they should be making sure that fights can't be trivialized by stacking a certain class. If it can then that is a viable strategy (hopefully not the only one). Putting in an arbitrary penalty if you aren't running the rainbow coalition of jobs is a pretty lazy fix. As would be giving every class a single necessary group buff, no one said it was easy making a good MMO.

Make every class useful, what players do is their business if you give them the proper tools to work with they will come up with various strategies to accomplish results beyond even the developer's expectations. In this aspect FFXIV has so far not done so great yet. But that is why we are getting jobs and other combat changes.

Also alliance content please.

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Pretty much. You should never force balance in a party, you just have to balance it well enough that it "influences" people to have diverse parties.

Another thing I noticed watching the video;the lack of BRD songs, I realy hope its just not another spell cast, but an actual intrument/song playing.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Pretty much. You should never force balance in a party, you just have to balance it well enough that it "influences" people to have diverse parties.

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They should just add job bonus for the members in the pt. DRG gives everyone crt hit up MNK gives everyone a slightly lower delay on AA or attack boost, PLD gives DEF boost, BLM/WHM gives magic def up, BRD gives acc, WAR gives attack up also.

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Originally Posted by Choyi

Another thing I noticed watching the video;the lack of BRD songs, I realy hope its just not another spell cast, but an actual intrument/song playing.

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Its gonna be just like the spell we have on arc i bet so get disappointed now.

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Originally Posted by Choyi

Another thing I noticed watching the video;the lack of BRD songs, I realy hope its just not another spell cast, but an actual intrument/song playing.

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They show the Icons for the Buffs... but the buffs are always there when they do the " Cut off on the the next scene" thing.. We don't really see the BRD do Physically anything..

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Originally Posted by Firon

Its gonna be just like the spell we have on arc i bet so get disappointed now.

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Yeah will, most likely one of thoose "2.0 features", it will take away alot of the charm of playing BRD thats for sure, its basicly just archer mage at this point ^^

Damn nature, you scarey ;_;

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Originally Posted by Firon

There was an official job action list that's why.... He/she is asking is it more than 5.

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dont know if anyone replied but since in the job announcement they said you get 5 i assume its 5, and I assume the monk ability is a new animation for pounce

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Originally Posted by Choyi

Another thing I noticed watching the video;the lack of BRD songs, I realy hope its just not another spell cast, but an actual intrument/song playing.

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Yeah I was scouting out for the BRD the entire time but I didn't see him do anything a part from the WS on the ant sub-boss.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

They show the Icons for the Buffs... but the buffs are always there when they do the " Cut off on the the next scene" thing.. We don't really see the BRD do Physically anything..

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True that, still thinking logicaly, BRDs atm don't have any instruments to play on in game at this point, tough I'm hoping for BRDs to be able to sing a few vocals at least, but I doubt it be anything other then how Swiftsong works now sadly.

Also the fade out effect as Simian thrust was firing was pretty stylish.

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Originally Posted by Choyi

True that, still thinking logicaly, BRDs atm don't have any instruments to play on in game at this point, tough I'm hoping for BRDs to be able to sing a few vocals at least, but I doubt it be anything other then how Swiftsong works now sadly.

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It is what it will be.. However in 2.0 I'm sure you hear those BRD's do Symphonies! :P

uuuuuuuuuuuuuh, just saw it. Did anyone notice that that mnk had decoy as the first icon on his action bar at 00:45? At least it looks like decoy?

EDIT; Decoy isn't exclusive is it?
...nevermind~

Although certain attacks such as haymaker seem to have little coloured icons in their top-right corners (slot 9 at 2:07 as an example)

Monk "Dash" is probably Pounce, considering it does the exact same thing in WoW.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Monk "Dash" is probably Pounce, considering it does the exact same thing in WoW.

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You referenced another game that isn't FFXI. Expect the wrath of 1000 fanboys.

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Originally Posted by Colino

You referenced another game that isn't FFXI. Expect the wrath of 1000 fanboys.

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Usualy its the other way around on theese forums xD

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Monk "Dash" is probably Pounce, considering it does the exact same thing in WoW.

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If it is "Pounce" then they took the TP cost away from it.. there's no tp cost to do Dash :p

My only concern is that it's still timed so I'm hoping it doesn't turn into another run-through dungeon like Darkhold.

Other than that, looks fantastic.

While I let you guys nitpic over the video again (see this thread), I'll comment on a few things I really found interesting.

The fact that near every room was round and connected via mini sandstorms reminds me a lot of 2 places. The Antlion's Den in FFIV (mentioned earlier), and Cleyra from FFIX. Further reminding me of Cleyra is the mention of rivers of sand.

http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/p.../Image4783.jpg
http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/12...2/disk2_12.jpg

Looks like Copperbell Mines. Hope there's different looking areas inside, otherwise it's just /meh as far as 'visual excitement' is concerned. The boss battles seem fun.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

Monk "Dash" is probably Pounce, considering it does the exact same thing in WoW.

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Don't think this is the case, an ability does go on cooldown as this happens but it's not the pounce ability which we see the player try to use a moment later... then he gets stuck on the terrain and just smacks him in the side XD

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

Don't think this is the case, an ability does go on cooldown as this happens but it's not the pounce ability which we see the player try to use a moment later... then he gets stuck on the terrain and just smacks him in the side XD

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You're right, it seems to be a different icon with a 1 minute ish cd

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Originally Posted by Wevlum

Although certain attacks such as haymaker seem to have little coloured icons in their top-right corners (slot 9 at 2:07 as an example)

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The blue one could mean you have to evade to use the skill. (Haymaker)
The red one seems to show the best direction for the WS.

Just a guess, but the "dash skill" could also be Sap.

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a) 1 unique mob
b) all other mobs are copy pasted
c) whole dungeon is copy pasted

some enormous efforts over here

Maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but it was my impression that most people didn't like the timed aspect of the previous dungeons. I sure hope they reduced the amount of regular monsters they placed throughout the dungeon because I don't plan on participating in the trainfest that was Darkhold again.

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Originally Posted by Laf

So,

a) 1 unique mob
b) all other mobs are copy pasted
c) whole dungeon is copy pasted

some enormous efforts over here

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People are still expecting amazing turnarounds on this crappy server structure? I'm still surprised they're able to merge servers without them imploding.

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Originally Posted by Laf

So,

a) 1 unique mob
b) all other mobs are copy pasted
c) whole dungeon is copy pasted

some enormous efforts over here

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Wait for it....

2.0 is going to be the Opposite of that because of Zones and a better Server Structure :O YAY! :D

We're all assuming the monk dashed in and that it wasn't the mob drawing him in which could be a possibility. Looked more like camera position or something changing as he moved in normally to me though.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Or you could just not complain and let other people do content however they want.

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Who's complaining here, or did you mean you complaining about my post ?

I was simply making a suggestion as others seem to have an issue with it.

Why you always riding that high horse anyways ?

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Wait for it....

2.0 is going to be the Opposite of that because of Zones and a better Server Structure :O YAY! :D

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...and where's always 3.0!

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Originally Posted by Laf

...and where's always 3.0

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I knew the trolls were in here somewhere.. they were all asleep :O

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Originally Posted by charlemagne

We're all assuming the monk dashed in and that it wasn't the mob drawing him in which could be a possibility. Looked more like camera position or something changing as he moved in normally to me though.

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So just before the "dash" he would position himself a certain distance EACH time knowing he would get "pulled" to the mob?

While that may be possible it seems very far stretched to be taken seriously.

Also notice the purple circle in the middle of the mob. He selects the mob just before he dashes off to it. That's some pretty good timing to do that each time if he is in fact getting pulled. Yoshi-P should also smack the DEV that played a MNK and did it with such precision to give the illusion of such a cool ability.