Time for a catboy intervention (hard to swallow pill inside)

I wonder how many people here haven't realized "Nunh" is also a product of the name generator.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

I don't know what a Nuhn is, who's the real loser here.

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Nunh (not Nuhn) is one of the two surnames that male Sunseekers will canonically have - but they're not family names, they're tribe ranks.

Each tribe will have one nunh - ie. breeding male; an 'earned' position that can be claimed by defeating the current nunh. (For the two tribes we've actually visited, this role is also leader of the tribe, although lore indicates that's not always the case.)

All other males have the rank "tia", which is why there seem to be so many with the same surname.

(Females don't have ranks in the same way, but use their father's name without the tribe-letter, eg. we can derive that Y'shtola Rhul's father is named Y'rhul Nunh - as long as he holds that position, anyway.)


So if a player uses the surname Nunh, whether knowingly or not, they are claiming to hold that rank and prestige over at least a subset of other people from whichever tribe they belong to.

Grand claims aside, it seems unlikely that the nunh would be out adventuring anyway - I assume he'd have to stay with the tribe and be ready to defend that title.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Nunh (not Nuhn) is one of the two surnames that male Sunseekers will canonically have - but they're not family names, they're tribe ranks.

Each tribe will have one nunh - ie. breeding male; an 'earned' position that can be claimed by defeating the current nunh. (For the two tribes we've actually visited, this role is also leader of the tribe, although lore indicates that's not always the case.)

All other males have the rank "tia", which is why there seem to be so many with the same surname.

(Females don't have ranks in the same way, but use their father's name without the tribe-letter, eg. we can derive that Y'shtola Rhul's father is named Y'rhul Nunh - as long as he holds that position, anyway.)


So if a player uses the surname Nunh, whether knowingly or not, they are claiming to hold that rank and prestige over at least a subset of other people from whichever tribe they belong to.

Grand claims aside, it seems unlikely that the nunh would be out adventuring anyway - I assume he'd have to stay with the tribe and be ready to defend that title.

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Oh wow i didn't know this, interesting.

I never noticed any male miqo'te with that surname. I guess i'll be on the lookout now.

Its kind of hard to picture some dominant male miqo'te lol.

A fair few Miqote seem to have abandoned that clan structure or at least don't feel bound to it. Regardless, it seems a result of the differences in birthrates between males and females in Miqote. Nunh aren't always the ones running the Tribe either and there are occasions where a tribe will have more than one Nunh, particularly if it is of a large size and covers a lot of ground. I was actually curious in SB if the J tribe has abandoned the old tribe structure since all J members we see are living as part of Ala Mhigan society. Obviously with my character's name it perked my interest.

Just sue them all, take em to court and take their lunch money.

My girlfriends told me not to worry about the new Hrothgar guy visiting the village. They all left me for him. And now I’m back to being a Tia.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I have a better question. Why would you want a harem? Have you not seen the anime's? It's like an inevitable trainwreck of suffering for the male MC. Its more fun to be the male MC's friend who is safely outside the danger zone and is free to stir up stuff to make it worse... >.>;

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It's problematic, but not for the reason you think. Anime harems aren't real harems. The MC doesn't have multiple lovers, he has multiple girls competing to become his sole lover. Hence the jealousy and comedic physical violence each girl applies when it looks like the MC is straying toward one of the other girls.

In the case of Sunseekers, the girls are ALL his lovers, whether he wants them or not. I mean, clearly he wants to be Nunh, but that position comes with the obligation to be willing to mate with any female member of the tribe who wants it. I doubt a Nunh is allowed to restrict himself to just a handful of favorites; he likely has to put out even for females that he personally finds repellent (particularly if that individual is accomplished in some way, like a great warrior or talented crafter). Gotta keep the genetic diversity high, after all! When one of them comes to the tent, there's nothing for it but to lie back and think of England...

This is partially related, partially not-so-much. According to the lore/game in various places, interracial breeding is relatively rare. At least, successful stories are rare. Ones that happened are shunned. However, it's implied the adoption between races isn't really rare at all.

So what I want to know is, why do you never encounter NPCs named via naming conventions of other races? You would think somewhere along the line, a nameless, abandoned catboy baby would be found by a nice lala couple, who then proceed to name him Lalatu Tulala.

"Nunh" culture is using the default idle pose, one of the faces with that whispy beard, playing a DRK, SAM, or PLD exclusively, and standing uncomfortably close to people when emoting at them.

...I go to limsa lominsa a lot for the convenient market board...

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

Oh wow i didn't know this, interesting.

I never noticed any male miqo'te with that surname. I guess i'll be on the lookout now.

Its kind of hard to picture some dominant male miqo'te lol.

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There's only a small chance of it coming up in the random name generator (3% if I remember correctly), and a lot of players don't use lore-accurate names anyway.

Character-wise, the only nunhs we've come across are from the tribes we can actually visit - U'odh Nunh at Forgotten Springs and M'rahz Nunh at the Peering Stones. Both are older men, so it could be a veteran/experience thing as much as physical power.

(But it's not actually that hard to come up with more strong warrior-looking Miqo'te; they just don't tend to get used that way.)

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I was actually curious in SB if the J tribe has abandoned the old tribe structure since all J members we see are living as part of Ala Mhigan society. Obviously with my character's name it perked my interest.

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There's a "J Tribe Youngling" NPC in a sidequest, so probably they're still a functioning tribe (or the writer wasn't thinking about it).

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

This is partially related, partially not-so-much. According to the lore/game in various places, interracial breeding is relatively rare. At least, successful stories are rare. Ones that happened are shunned. However, it's implied the adoption between races isn't really rare at all.

So what I want to know is, why do you never encounter NPCs named via naming conventions of other races? You would think somewhere along the line, a nameless, abandoned catboy baby would be found by a nice lala couple, who then proceed to name him Lalatu Tulala.

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Probably due to the same logic that means names are strictly race-defined and never seem to meld into "Gridanian names" or "Ul'dahn names" - not even mixing between Midlander and Highlander in places where both clans are common.

But it's an interesting thing to play around with for your own characters.

Though to be pedantic, "Lalatu Tulala" wouldn't be a correctly structured Lalafell name for any of the clan/gender combinations.

So who has power in a tribe? The females or lead mating Male? Cause if he has to put out for all then that's a life that sounds great but I bet really isnt. I guess good thing we only see perfect bodies ingame then.

I've come across a few people who just wanted to rp as an old rowdy cat dad and got Nunh as a name because of it but in general seeing the name always makes me wonder, too... Is the player aware of the lore and if they are, did they do it to feel like a confident womanizer?

One time I witnessed a Nunh trying to flirt in /say in Limsa and getting rejected in a really devastating way. Quite funny tbh...
(No hard feelings, Nunh players ;))

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There's only a small chance of it coming up in the random name generator (3% if I remember correctly), and a lot of players don't use lore-accurate names anyway.

Character-wise, the only nunhs we've come across are from the tribes we can actually visit - U'odh Nunh at Forgotten Springs and M'rahz Nunh at the Peering Stones. Both are older men, so it could be a veteran/experience thing as much as physical power.

(But it's not actually that hard to come up with more strong warrior-looking Miqo'te; they just don't tend to get used that way.)

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From what i understand, if a Tia wishes to become a Nunh, he must challenge the current Nunh (or split off with some females and make his own tribe). If he wins, then he is the new Nunh. The goal of this is to ensure that they produce strong offspring. Realistically, though the WoL would have no problem becoming the Nunh, but the nature of our WoL makes it so that he would be unable to fulfill his duties to his tribe. Tias can go off and do whatever they want, but Nunhs need to stay with the tribe so that they can continue producing offspring.

Tribes may also have more than one Nunh if they're large enough. (And Nunh's are really not often their tribal leaders, they are just the designated breeding male(s),a lot of people tend to be confused about that). I believe it is generally a Tia that runs a given tribe.

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Originally Posted by Averax

From what i understand, if a Tia wishes to become a Nunh, he must challenge the current Nunh (or split off with some females and make his own tribe). If he wins, then he is the new Nunh. The goal of this is to ensure that they produce strong offspring. Realistically, though the WoL would have no problem becoming the Nunh, but the nature of our WoL makes it so that he would be unable to fulfill his duties to his tribe. Tias can go off and do whatever they want, but Nunhs need to stay with the tribe so that they can continue producing offspring.

Tribes may also have more than one Nunh if they're large enough. (And Nunh's are really not often their tribal leaders, they are just the designated breeding male(s),a lot of people tend to be confused about that). I believe it is generally a Tia that runs a given tribe.

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That's correct - what I meant is that it's not necessarily the young fiery ones who are successful at holding the Nunh position. It's not clear how often they have to defend their title, but they're able to do so.


I don't think there's a set rule on who runs the tribe - it has been the nunh in both tribes we've visited, though the lore suggests otherwise.

There are all sorts of circumstances why the nunh might not be the leader though - personality is the obvious one of course, but also that if an existing nunh-and-leader got challenged and lost the title of nunh, that doesn't mean he has to pass on the leadership as well. Say if the sidequest-plotline regarding the M tribe ended with M'zhet successfully challenging M'rahz and becoming nunh - he's still definitely not leadership material, even if he's physically stronger, and M'rahz is still the respected patriarch of the tribe-family.

Wait.. A nunh breeds plenty of cat girls to make a strong child?

They have the same tribal traditions as the Orcs from the Elder Scrolls universe.

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Originally Posted by Chalbee

Lalafells are diminutive.

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Aye, the manly Dwarven beard I'll grow in ShB will be huge though, laddie.

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Wait.. A nunh breeds plenty of cat girls to make a strong child?

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Yeah, a Nunh to Sun Seekers is basically what a stud is to bulls.

Meanwhile Moon Keepers have built their civilization on one night stands. Like the sun seekers, moon keeper males are born extremely few in number, but instead the women mostly run things and the men just go off into seclusion to hunt and live alone, they only rejoin moon keeper society to bring back what they hunt, and for...visits....

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

It's problematic, but not for the reason you think. Anime harems aren't real harems. The MC doesn't have multiple lovers, he has multiple girls competing to become his sole lover. Hence the jealousy and comedic physical violence each girl applies when it looks like the MC is straying toward one of the other girls.

In the case of Sunseekers, the girls are ALL his lovers, whether he wants them or not. I mean, clearly he wants to be Nunh, but that position comes with the obligation to be willing to mate with any female member of the tribe who wants it. I doubt a Nunh is allowed to restrict himself to just a handful of favorites; he likely has to put out even for females that he personally finds repellent (particularly if that individual is accomplished in some way, like a great warrior or talented crafter). Gotta keep the genetic diversity high, after all! When one of them comes to the tent, there's nothing for it but to lie back and think of England...

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So its more of a scenario like on Futurama involving death by snu snu? >.>

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Originally Posted by Johaandr

Wait.. A nunh breeds plenty of cat girls to make a strong child?

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Sunseeker social structure is modeled after the way lion prides work in real life. At any given time, only one male lion has breeding rights in a tribe. He fathers all the children until a younger male becomes strong enough to challenge him, kick him out of the tribe, and take over as breeding male. As far as I know, Miqo'te don't kick anyone out once they are defeated, but the Nuhn is still the only one allowed to father children. Other males are called Tia, and they either content themselves with living a life of chastity or train for the day they can challenge the Nuhn and take over as breeding male (at which point their name changes from Tia to Nuhn).

But yes, in a given Sunseeker tribe, just one male mates with all of the women of the tribe. This means that in a tribe, pretty much all members of a given generation are half-siblings, sharing the same father but with different mothers. Y'shtola (Scion) and Y'mhitra (from SMN quests) are a good example; Y'Rhul is their shared father, but they have different mothers.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

So its more of a scenario like on Futurama involving death by snu snu? >.>

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That's closer than the "anime harem" take, I'd say. Except for Sunseekers, males FIGHT for the chance at death by snu snu, as it's the only way they're gonna get any at all. XD