How much item level we need for the new content?

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

Hmmm i think the first SHB dungeons will be @375 ilvl. And for example running the Burn with low ilvl gear ... sorry but this sounds like hell especially for the healer and tank. I dont think gearing up to 380 is hard. But its just my opinion : whatever float your boat as long you are not a burden for the group.

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Gearing up to i380 isn't hard as such. Just tedious and/or expensive.

Judging from the early parts of Stormblood and Heavensward, I expect the first ShB dungeon to drop i390 or i400 gear - depending on what level the dungeon is.
I also expect the early quests in ShB to give us i385 gear before we end up in any dungeon, so better gear than that will certainly not be needed going into ShB.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Gearing up to i380 isn't hard as such. Just tedious and/or expensive.

Judging from the early parts of Stormblood and Heavensward, I expect the first ShB dungeon to drop i390 or i400 gear - depending on what level the dungeon is.
I also expect the early quests in ShB to give us i385 gear before we end up in any dungeon, so better gear than that will certainly not be needed going into ShB.

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If they won't add an ilev requirement, then the first dungeon will be ilevel 1:D But fun aside, it will drop 390 for sure, because Sirensong dropped 260 items (like 260 shire gear) if they do the same formula in Stormblood.

380 is decent. Might get you to the 1st dungeon before you start replacing.

390 is good. Might get you to the 2nd.

400 will get you to about lvl 76 until you need to start replacing.

You know, unless you're one of those people who think it's ok to keep the same gear the whole leveling process. Don't be one of those people.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...nk-at-ilvl-272

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

380 is decent. Might get you to the 1st dungeon before you start replacing.

390 is good. Might get you to the 2nd.

400 will get you to about lvl 76 until you need to start replacing.

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If they keep to the same pattern as before, the first dungeon will be at level 71 and drop i390 gear, the second at level 73 and drop i400 gear.
New crafted gear (which will be obtainable as quest rewards) will be i385 for level 70, i395 for level 72, and i405 at level 74, which will be the earliest that you can get anything better than the top-tier Stormblood gear.

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Originally Posted by Thaldor

Be interesting to see how long before ilvl 360 gear is available through the hunt vendors to help players get up to speed and finish the MSQ before July.

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It won't be. The tome gear that gets moved to hunt seals are when the current expansion uncapped tomes are deprecated for current expansion new tomes. The 360 gear will likely switch to Poetics when Shadowbringers launches assuming the devs continue with the decision that Poetics will remain the "old" content tomestone.

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

Weird for me is that ppl (on their main Char) are sitting on ilvl 360 and below. Why ? Alphascape is 380 gear and you can craft 380 gear with the option to upgrade to 390. And NO i dont mean the new Players...

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I cant talk for others, but I just came back to the game about two weeks ago, after being away over a year. My highest gear was i320. I was basically BIS (for armor) until the savage Omega came out. The toxicity of the high end raiding community was part of why I quit the game.

Now I'm back and will just stick to regular casual content (dungeon, alliance raids, MAYBE normal mode raids) but I'm definitvely not killing myself doing weekly targets of any kind to grind best gear possible. If any content demands me need such an investment on gear, that's the end of my subscription again and for good.

I do already have a couple Genesis pieces, though, but I rather work on leveling other jobs than grinding gear that will become obsolete in a couple months.

TLDR: casual players, returning players, and casual returning players.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

This still seems very much tuned for DPS rather then tanks or healers, though...

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Not really. I did it on WHM and took out all three swords after DoTs > 2~3 Stone IVs and Assize (which only hit two of them)—I didn’t have to use Cleric Stance or PoM. I’m i399 on my healers, but it definitely wasn’t difficult to burn them down quickly.




For people that are concerned about gear grinds—you don’t have to do much grinding, really. Just run Expert Roulette once a day every day, and that will give you 90 * 7 = 630 Genesis (they’ve raised the cap for it to 900).

You can also do Orbonne Monestary to try and get a piece of gear from it. Running all three 24-mans give you tokens to trade in for upgrade pieces for left and right side, so you can get easy i400 gear. The weapon upgrade will probably be added soon, too (I don’t think they added it this last patch... can’t remember).

You should still have semi-up-to-date gear even in “casual” content. Simply because, if you’re too low, you may not meet the item level and you may be a hinderance to your group if you’re on a tank or healer role. No need for unnecessary struggle. You don’t need full i400 Savage BiS, but I think everyone should at least aim for i390 before the expansion ends. That way you can go into Shadowbringers and not have to worry about gear upgrades for a couple levels (and, if you’re leveling DNC/GUN, you can have gear set aside for them when they hit level 70, which is always nice).

I think I was just over 390, around 392 (or maybe 394?). I used Aero 2 and Aero 3 on one sword while I Stone IV'd the other swords. By the time killed the other swords, the dots almost took out a sword by themselves. I didn't even use Assize since it was on CD the entire time. I think the duty gauge was around 70+ but def not 90 or anything. I can see this being tough with lower ilevels, but if people can get through Ghimlyt I don't think this dps check is that hard.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You can also do Orbonne Monestary to try and get a piece of gear from it. Running all three 24-mans give you tokens to trade in for upgrade pieces for left and right side, so you can get easy i400 gear. The weapon upgrade will probably be added soon, too (I don’t think they added it this last patch... can’t remember).

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If you have good enough gear to even enter Orbonne Monastery (i365 required) then you already have good enough gear to finish the MSQ, as well as good enough gear to enter all other non-Extreme/non-Savage content in the game.
In other words, if you can run Orbonne Monastery then you no longer need to grind for gear unless you really want to do the hardcore content.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

If you have good enough gear to even enter Orbonne Monastery (i365 required) then you already have good enough gear to finish the MSQ, as well as good enough gear to enter all other non-Extreme/non-Savage content in the game.
In other words, if you can run Orbonne Monastery then you no longer need to grind for gear unless you really want to do the hardcore content.

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Extrem is not hardcore. Savage is but ex is just normal with more Bosslifepool and damage and less telegraphing. For exemaple Snekboi is the easiest Ex-Encounter in Stormblood and can be done with 380 gear.

@Ogulbuk
Killing yourself ? Wow, a little bit dramatic? You can with close to no effort obtain tomestones (red, yellow or genesis). The current MSQ is way easier then Ala Mhigo MSQ. And when you think that "grinding gear that will become obsolete in a couple months" then you played through FF14 already. no offense just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by LalaLeChat

You don't need to have that high an item level. I did it on drk at ilvl 382 with a 365 weapon. Just save your cooldowns for the swords. if you're still struggling you can get a few more genesis pieces they have raised the weekly cap to 900.

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This is the best advice outside of better gear. No doubt save your Cd's for the swords :D

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Originally Posted by craybest

I tried it with 361 and I could only kill 2 of the 3 things we have to do before auto failing the duty, so i guess i need more.
for those who beat it, what is your IL?
i dont think we should be doing raids or extra hard content only to beat the MSQ.

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One shot it as ilvl 400 RDM. He melted really fast for me. He has an enrage bar?

Pretty sure they didn't balance around BiS gear though >.>

I imagine he should be able to be cleared comfortably at ~ilvl 370

Cleared it first try on WAR. Granted, I'm at 398 ilvl, bit I didn't have IR for the sword phase and took them out with plenty of time to spare.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

If you have good enough gear to even enter Orbonne Monastery (i365 required) then you already have good enough gear to finish the MSQ, as well as good enough gear to enter all other non-Extreme/non-Savage content in the game.
In other words, if you can run Orbonne Monastery then you no longer need to grind for gear unless you really want to do the hardcore content.

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Sure, but improving your gear now will smooth out the transition to ShB content. It hardly makes sense to stop improving your gear just because it's not necessary - unless maybe you're going to take a hiatus until ShB release. Just doing expert roulette a few times per week will earn you enough genesis to buy several pieces of i390 gear. I'd hardly call that grinding.

I helped a friend, who had a mix of this tier and past tier tomestone gear along with some crafted greens, by melding a bunch of materia! For their tank I melded Str on accessories and Crit+DH on the rest. For their healer Crit and Det! +40 materia in main slots, +12 for some overmelding. After that they cleared the swords just fine. Definitely consider dropping gil into a green-crafted weapon if yours is lower!

Edit: To echo other posters, DEFINITELY save your cooldowns for the swords!!

Given the Alphascape (normal) locks were removed long time ago, I think today being at least i380 is a minimal requirement.

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Originally Posted by Banriikku

@Ogulbuk
Killing yourself ? Wow, a little bit dramatic? You can with close to no effort obtain tomestones (red, yellow or genesis). The current MSQ is way easier then Ala Mhigo MSQ. And when you think that "grinding gear that will become obsolete in a couple months" then you played through FF14 already. no offense just my thoughts.

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You understand hyperbole, no? I’m alive so obviously I’m not being liiteral. That aside, I think you underestimate the amount of content this game has to offer besides fleeting iLVL progression.

Example: I could had spent that time grinding MGP for glamours that don’t become obsolete, or aiming for mounts, or minions. Or leveling other jobs that still would be level 70 today. Or furnishing housing. Etc etc.

I’m not saying YOU can’t enjoy the pursuit of iLVLs, but I will just never do that again.

Considering gear drops from the most recent MSQ dungeon are item level 375, I can't imagine more than that.
I somewhat agree with you on the weapon. There's not a good way to get one of those.

Eureka Weapons(Low skill, Supposedly "Play to Win", but also takes less time than building a fresh learning static from O9S)
Tomestone weapons also require Normal Raid drops. (Low-medium skill, Guaranteed within 4 clears and 1k tomestones)
Extreme Primals (Medium skill, Guaranteed within 10 clears)
Savage Raid Weapons (Medium-high skill, luck)
Ultimate Trials (High skill, Guaranteed within 10 clears)

Oh, and Crafted. (No skill. Gib moneys)

Highest casual weapon is 300, and the weapon does impact your damage probably the most significantly. This is one of the more surprising changes from Heavensward to Stormblood that they have made, removing weapons from the level cap dungeons.

For Shadowbringers transition
375 will be the starting point, At Lv.73 is probably where dungeons drop 400, At Lv.76 is where Stormblood 400 gear stops keeping up. If they follow the trends of Heavensward and Stormblood. HQ 409ish crafted gear will probably be mostly kitted out by a combination of the Lv.76 MSQ and sidequests. Of course, if you're doing this around first launch, you're gonna want to take every tiny gear upgrade they give you after Lv.73, cause 3/4 of your dungeon party isn't going to be overgeared for the Lv.79 dungeon like the current iteration will usually be. In other words, people wont be positive about having to partially make up for your gear decisions while also trying to prog a new dungeon that might randomly throw a super mob at you, or a mechanic that only appeared in a Savage fight in the last tier.

Getting lvl 60 gear for the new jobs would be the Shire gear from Idyllshire or Alexanger gear and upgrading it.

For lvl 70 I would recommend 375-390 doing the Monestary raid can get you 390 armor you need.

Finally cleared with 370ilvl (but 330 weapon), with food (4% stats bonus) and one wipe.

375 should be fine. And keep dps cooldowns for the swords.

One shot 383ilvl with 385 weapon but I play smn so titan took all the hits while I went ham. Did have to manage diversion and lucid dreaming so titan could gain hate once I summoned behamut.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

You understand hyperbole, no? I’m alive so obviously I’m not being liiteral. That aside, I think you underestimate the amount of content this game has to offer besides fleeting iLVL progression.

Example: I could had spent that time grinding MGP for glamours that don’t become obsolete, or aiming for mounts, or minions. Or leveling other jobs that still would be level 70 today. Or furnishing housing. Etc etc.

I’m not saying YOU can’t enjoy the pursuit of iLVLs, but I will just never do that again.

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Everything, besides your precious glamour, will become obsolete at one point because the game continues to grow. If you see it like that, you can already stop playing because you will have to level up, gear up, farm new tokens for crafting recipes again.

I don't have a problem with players that are new or returned players that are undergeared, what i really don't like are players that are refusing to get their gear to a certain point. These players are a burden for their party on purpose.

Well, players that me will continue to exist and bother you, so maybe you should be the one to quit.


It’s weird you think mounts, minions or house furniture can ever become obsolete. Any new addition to the game does not make my old favorite mounts any less useful. It’s not like new mounts are faster than old ones.

Even job levels I can always build in top of. Old gear, becomes completely worthless. If I end up getting new gear that is up to date, it will be by natural play, but also unlikely because I can’t share my favorite jobs gear.

Sorry, but not sorry that I’m having fun with the game.

380 is a good ilvl 375 imo should be the bare minimum. But honestly going into the next expansion the average should be ilvl380. However going into the first dungeon you can use trusts so if you feel you are undergeared you dont have to worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

I cant talk for others, but I just came back to the game about two weeks ago, after being away over a year. My highest gear was i320. I was basically BIS (for armor) until the savage Omega came out. The toxicity of the high end raiding community was part of why I quit the game.

Now I'm back and will just stick to regular casual content (dungeon, alliance raids, MAYBE normal mode raids) but I'm definitvely not killing myself doing weekly targets of any kind to grind best gear possible. If any content demands me need such an investment on gear, that's the end of my subscription again and for good.

I do already have a couple Genesis pieces, though, but I rather work on leveling other jobs than grinding gear that will become obsolete in a couple months.

TLDR: casual players, returning players, and casual returning players.

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Well you can do casual contents casually without any intention of grinding and still be able to obtain gears.

I also took a hiatus for a year before and missed about 50 ilvls when I came back. It didn't take long to catch up even without grinding.

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Originally Posted by ChaseNetwork

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Highest casual weapon is 300, and the weapon does impact your damage probably the most significantly. This is one of the more surprising changes from Heavensward to Stormblood that they have made, removing weapons from the level cap dungeons.
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Let's not forget the upgraded weapon for Centurio Seals at 340 (I think just doing the weekly B rank for SB and HW gets you enough seals to buy and upgrade the weapon) and the HoH weapon at 365. While not exactly optimal they can be gotten rather casually and are a step above the 300 weapons. In the case of HoH I can't recommend farming just for the weapon but doing it while you're leveling a class in there is a nice bonus.

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Originally Posted by ChaseNetwork

Considering gear drops from the most recent MSQ dungeon are item level 375, I can't imagine more than that.
I somewhat agree with you on the weapon. There's not a good way to get one of those.

Eureka Weapons(Low skill, Supposedly "Play to Win", but also takes less time than building a fresh learning static from O9S)
Tomestone weapons also require Normal Raid drops. (Low-medium skill, Guaranteed within 4 clears and 1k tomestones)
Extreme Primals (Medium skill, Guaranteed within 10 clears)
Savage Raid Weapons (Medium-high skill, luck)
Ultimate Trials (High skill, Guaranteed within 10 clears)

Oh, and Crafted. (No skill. Gib moneys)

Highest casual weapon is 300, and the weapon does impact your damage probably the most significantly. This is one of the more surprising changes from Heavensward to Stormblood that they have made, removing weapons from the level cap dungeons.

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Very good point. Only reason I have a decent weapon is because the FC made it for me. I didn't even realize until I read your post that there was not going to be a weapon drop from Ghimlyt Dark. I kept hoping for drops for my alt jobs and was thinking I was just being very unlucky.

I wonder if they did it this way to encourage crafting? It's honestly very silly that dungeons dont drop weapons.

My main i breezed through it like nothing, my alt PLD 361 couldn't get the third down, I would say for high burst damage jobs 360-365 should work, for lower burst jobs probably 370-375 will do the trick. Get most of the Omega set and a i360 weapon and it should kill itself for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

Well, players that me will continue to exist and bother you, so maybe you should be the one to quit.


It’s weird you think mounts, minions or house furniture can ever become obsolete. Any new addition to the game does not make my old favorite mounts any less useful. It’s not like new mounts are faster than old ones.

Even job levels I can always build in top of. Old gear, becomes completely worthless. If I end up getting new gear that is up to date, it will be by natural play, but also unlikely because I can’t share my favorite jobs gear.

Sorry, but not sorry that I’m having fun with the game.

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Why the hell should i be bothered with players like you? I find it rather entertaining that people complain that they can't get certain MSQ's done because they are that undergeared.
If i have someone extremly undergeared in a content that requires gear i will kick this person because i'm not willing to carry a lazy person through said content since it is my time and no one besides me pays my sub.

The 390 tome weapon is a casual weapon btw. its easy to get and doesn't demand any crazy stuff...

I cleared it as a level 400 warrior on the second attempt because the first time around I didn’t notice the cast bar and failed. :)

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Why the hell should i be bothered with players like you?

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I could ask the same about players like you.

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I find it rather entertaining that people complain that they can't get certain MSQ's done because they are that undergeared.

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Not once have I complained about not being able to do any part of the MSQ.

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The 390 tome weapon is a casual weapon btw. its easy to get and doesn't demand any crazy stuff...

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Last time I bothered even looking at those, they took several weeks [4?] of normal mode raiding, plus a ton of tomes (that take from my weekly cap for armor.) I, personally, will just go about with my crafted weapon. You will have to survive my inferior casual dps if we ever end up in a roulette together.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

I could ask the same about players like you.



Not once have I complained about not being able to do any part of the MSQ.



Last time I bothered even looking at those, they took several weeks [4?] of normal mode raiding, plus a ton of tomes (that take from my weekly cap for armor.) I, personally, will just go about with my crafted weapon. You will have to survive my inferior casual dps if we ever end up in a roulette together.

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Its 7 times o12 and 1k tomes. That would make max 2 weeks and don't tell me thats hard work. Also i'm a casual player and we two will never end up in the same duty because we play on two different datacenters.

You might have not complained yourself but there are a lot players like you, that refuse to gear up, that couldn't beat it and complained afterwards.

Oh and you are bothered with players like me because we are all so toxic when we expect that everyone carries his weight which includes getting your gear in shape.

Not everyone can/is doing endgame. You can get i390 Yama gear in Rhalgr's Reach.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Its 7 times o12 and 1k tomes. That would make max 2 weeks and don't tell me thats hard work. Also i'm a casual player and we two will never end up in the same duty because we play on two different datacenters.

You might have not complained yourself but there are a lot players like you, that refuse to gear up, that couldn't beat it and complained afterwards.

Oh and you are bothered with players like me because we are all so toxic when we expect that everyone carries his weight which includes getting your gear in shape.

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i390 Tome weapons are now 4 weeks. Not 7. So they take even less time to get now. 1 O12N once a week for a total of maybe 10 mins of your time. Ofc, i380 crafted can be augmented to i390 just as easily. As long as someone isn't still using a weapon below i380 at this point (that isn't a returning player), it shouldn't matter too much.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

I wonder if they did it this way to encourage crafting? It's honestly very silly that dungeons dont drop weapons.

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I could be wrong, but none of the level 50 ARR Expert dungeons or the level 60 HW Expert dungeons dropped weapons either (beyond the first set). There's no point, because there are better weapons available (e.g., crafted and tome); especially because the dungeons are always behind with regards to item level compared to those two options.

Hopefully your weapon is HQ i380/i390. NQ i380/i390 weapons are actually on par with the i300 ones when you compare their weapon damage and other stats. So, in other words, horrendously bad.

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Originally Posted by Angus

Not everyone can/is doing endgame. You can get i390 Yama gear in Rhalgr's Reach.

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You don't have to do endgame to get tome gear. Tome gear is meant to be endgame gear for those who don't raid or do other high-end content.

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Originally Posted by Angus

Not everyone can/is doing endgame. You can get i390 Yama gear in Rhalgr's Reach.

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Most anything one does after reaching max level is considered end game content though, so....

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You don't have to do endgame to get tome gear. Tome gear is meant to be endgame gear for those who don't raid or do other high-end content.

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Pretty much.

Also, there is Eureka which can be considered side content with a touch of casual, midcore and hardcore depending on what one's goals are. If one suffers through Eureka you can get 390 gear on the left side excluding the belt and a 405 weapon. Orbonne also throws 390 gear at people though it's 1 piece per week.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

i390 Tome weapons are now 4 weeks. Not 7. So they take even less time to get now. 1 O12N once a week for a total of maybe 10 mins of your time. Ofc, i380 crafted can be augmented to i390 just as easily. As long as someone isn't still using a weapon below i380 at this point (that isn't a returning player), it shouldn't matter too much.

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Well then you need 4 weeks for the weapon, i thought they would've changed the item you need to perm drop already.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Well then you need 4 weeks for the weapon, i thought they would've changed the item you need to perm drop already.

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It's kinda funny that the datalogs from alphascape savage are now farmable, but crystalloids from O12N are still limited to one per week.

The most readily available weapons that don't require crafting or spending gil are probably the i360 weapons obtained with sigmascape crystalloids. It might not be great but it's a whole lot better than the i300 one. Four repetitions of O8N take less than an hour and if you're doing anything at max level you'll have 1000 mendacity before you know it.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Most anything one does after reaching max level is considered end game content though, so....

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Just for clarity, I was referring to Deltascape, and yes, you can save up your Genesis for gear, but if you're in a hurry, make or buy a bunch of Rakshasa gear and turn it in to J'tandhaa for HQ Yama gear. I have both.

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Originally Posted by tdb

It's kinda funny that the datalogs from alphascape savage are now farmable, but crystalloids from O12N are still limited to one per week.

The most readily available weapons that don't require crafting or spending gil are probably the i360 weapons obtained with sigmascape crystalloids. It might not be great but it's a whole lot better than the i300 one. Four repetitions of O8N take less than an hour and if you're doing anything at max level you'll have 1000 mendacity before you know it.

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The 24 man isn't unlocked yet either. I'm pretty sure it's to encourage/reward people going into Savage to catch up, as opposed to coasting along.

In 4.57/58 when they unlock the 24 man, they'll also allow the Scaevan Ester to be purchased with coins, as well as unlock the crystalloids, allowing everyone to catch up much faster.

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Originally Posted by tdb

It's kinda funny that the datalogs from alphascape savage are now farmable, but crystalloids from O12N are still limited to one per week.

The most readily available weapons that don't require crafting or spending gil are probably the i360 weapons obtained with sigmascape crystalloids. It might not be great but it's a whole lot better than the i300 one. Four repetitions of O8N take less than an hour and if you're doing anything at max level you'll have 1000 mendacity before you know it.

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Thats why i assumed that this would be without limit but its not that it really matters.