Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

People who wanted male Viera got excited over their own ideas. They didn't know what SE was going to give them. Even if we got male Viera, it would probably just be a bulky bunny that people would complain about.

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probably not if they were like the concept art even if they were not the femine or 16 year old elezen body type people would have liked for them to be there at least they would have gotten over it
but them not being there at all is just worse and wont get over it till they are added

Really disappointed at adding gender locked races again :/

Should flood this thread with Male Viera fan art, am with you not fair female viera only.

Gender lock races will only disrupt also divide the community and are bad for the long-term MMO lifetime.

It seemed like it'd be a slam dunk, they're the ones that can make the lore after all so they can decide that this iteration of male viera are able to be a race, but...

What a cop out. Dancer not being a healer I kind of expected and I mean it's best for the job to be in what they thought would support it's iteration the most, but it still hurts.

WHO THE HELL WANTS GENDER LOCKS? ITS ONLY PREVENTATIVE, NOT HELPFUL.

Genderlocking races is really lame Square. I'm super disappointed. Male Viera and Female Hrothgar need to be added as a priority.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Think they wanted an excuse to make a bestial race more than anything. Hrothgar/Ronso look neat though. Hard to say whether I'd ever change races for them but they'll at least be neat to see.

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Then why not make bestial male viera? :( Or make bestial female Hrothgr? I mean female Ronso show up in FF10 and it just...doesn't make sense. I just don't get how they can say it's because of LORE and hope people accept it when we have female roe, male miqo'te, a CAR coming from FFXV, Ivalice built to work into the lore of FFXIV?

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Originally Posted by LillithCale

Then why not make bestial male viera? :( Or make bestial female Hrothgr? I mean female Ronso show up in FF10 and it just...doesn't make sense. I just don't get how they can say it's because of LORE and hope people accept it when we have female roe, male miqo'te, a CAR coming from FFXIV, Ivalice built to work into the lore of FFXIV?

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Because resources are finite and this way they can make two distinctly different races then a single race with slight differences.

Im So upset over this. Im really hopping they go back on the genderlock. Please give us male Viera :(

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

Because resources are finite and this way they can make two distinctly different races then a single race with slight differences.

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So why not say THAT instead of saying LORE when we have so many things that break lore already?

I’m not sure if this is a deal breaker for me but I really am so very disappointed that while many of the fan base requested a lifting of restrictions on race locked character creation items they decided to go the other way and gender lock not one but two races all with unique looks/hairstyles etc all locked. It’s like they read the many many many threads and went nah stuff you guys

It's very important that the first post gets a lot of likes. If your friends would like to play as male viera, let them know to come and give a like, including the ones who don't visit the forums often.

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Originally Posted by LillithCale

So why not say THAT instead of saying LORE when we have so many things that break lore already?

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Because Yoshi knows that if he gave the REAL reason for the gender-lock ("I think bunny men are weird"), there'd be (more) rioting.

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Originally Posted by LillithCale

So why not say THAT instead of saying LORE when we have so many things that break lore already?

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Because you should be able to figure that out without someone spelling it out to you. Resources in video games have always been finite and the only reason they got rid of the genderlock in 1.0>2.0 was because they were rebuilding the game.

I signed up for the forums just for this! I thought square had moved passed the gender locked races after 1.0!

This just makes the original Viera reveal video feel even more voyeuristic and fanservicey. Females Ronso looked so good in FFX. Their excuse are very thin on not giving us more choice here! This has really bummed me out!

I want both Male Viera and Female Ronso!

I fail to see how this is in any way homophobic?

genrlocking a race after fixing Roes and Miquotes is so stupid. I really thought we were past this but apparently we arent

Since anything else will just cause controversy all I want to put here is this:

I . WANT . MALE . VIERA . THANKS

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

Because you should be able to figure that out without someone spelling it out to you. Resources in video games have always been finite and the only reason they got rid of the genderlock in 1.0>2.0 was because they were rebuilding the game.

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We are going to have to agree to disagree then

Seriously, the community has made it pretty clear we want male bunnies. Why is this so strongly avoided?
Give. Us. Bunneh. Bois!

We all saw how well this worked with the BLU thread. They just don't care.

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Originally Posted by Kazran

I signed up for the forums just for this! I thought square had moved passed the gender locked races after 1.0!

This just makes the original Viera reveal video feel even more voyeuristic and fanservicey. Females Ronso looked so good in FFX. Their excuse are very thin on not giving us more choice here! This has really bummed me out!

I want both Male Viera and Female Ronso!

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Did they say anything about why hrothgar are genderlocked? "storywise"?

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

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We all saw how well this worked with my "add viera as a playable race" thread.
Well... it half worked lol

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Did they say anything about why hrothgar are genderlocked? "storywise"?

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"because it's hard and you already have viera"
Literally that.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Did they say anything about why hrothgar are genderlocked? "storywise"?

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Because they are not going to make any more new races and wanted to offer more variety. Apparently Viera and Ronso are going to have loads of customization. Basically excuses....

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Did they say anything about why hrothgar are genderlocked? "storywise"?

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Because Viera are giiiirls, basically.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Did they say anything about why hrothgar are genderlocked? "storywise"?

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They have not, and Im not even sure they have been mentioned in game or not. Male Viera had a whole lore dump!

I'm for Male Viera AND Female Hrothgar!

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

We all saw how well this worked with the BLU thread. They just don't care.

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well a new race has nothing to do with balance of the game

new races are just aesthetic and bring nothing to gameplay like Blue mage so adding them would be minor compared to making a whole new job to accommodate blue mage

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

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Technically, Yoshi P said they wouldn't be adding new races, but he never said anything about genders.
Maybe later down the line male viera will be added.

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Originally Posted by Saywihee

I'm for Male Viera AND Female Hrothgar!

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The only acceptable option.
Finish your races SE.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Technically, Yoshi P said they wouldn't be adding new races, but he never said anything about genders.
Maybe later down the line male viera will be added.

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well he says alot of Things like that but time changes and goes against his words

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Originally Posted by LillithCale

So why not say THAT instead of saying LORE when we have so many things that break lore already?

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except he did???

I literally have never posted on the official forum before, and registered JUST to voice my displeasure with the introduction of gender-locked races. It's profoundly regressive and utterly frustrating. Please consider adding male Viera and female Hrothgar. I'm so tired of hulking male races and willowy female races in games. I was ready to throw my money at fantasia to become a bunny-boy and that money is gone now.

Signed. This was a ridiculous, lazy and cowardly of them. Just bleh. That's what I think of the devs right now. Bleh.

Add it to the list with unlimited BLU and a healer.

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Originally Posted by WhyAmIHere

except he did???

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He did not, he said lore was the reason. That's how it was translated by Koji Fox himself on stream.

I would really like for both races to be playable for both genders. It's unfair that there is still gender-locking happening in this game after ARR famously reverted the decision of 1.0, and that the male playable race is yet another very, large muscular race while the female is sleek and conventionally attractive. I would have liked to have seem more equality in the designs and feel quite disappointed in the company for not listening to our feedback.

Not only is the lack male Viera super disappointing the lack of female Ronso is equally baffling.

Also anytime someone uses the "lore" excuse, remember: a) lore actually says the opposite, they confirm their existence and b) the write the lore.

Hey SE just model and design two more models and all the thousands of armour sets ontop of them in three months please.

tyvm

After seeing the FanFest reveals, I must say, I'm thoroughly disappointed. My points have probably been stated by other people already but I haven't taken the time to read the whole thread yet.

From a lore standpoint, it's frustrating to have the existence of male viera confirmed through text and to then be denied, after months of holding our breaths, any sign of them. In FFX, female ronso can be seen, so it makes even less sense for female hrothgar to not exist.
From a marketing standpoint, it's... not a good idea. So many people were excited for male viera and planning on using Fantasias and buying new glamours, but with their hopes dashed now, I've seen many a player express their extreme disappointment - some even going as far as canceling their subscriptions. I, for instance, was planning on changing an alt into a male viera, but knowing that it's no longer possible is honestly a huge let-down.
From a social standpoint, it's almost insulting, really. Male hrothgar and female viera are the very example of fantasy race sexual dimorphism playing on sexist, male-gaze-focused stereotypes; the big, hulking hrothgar representing male power fantasies, and slender, scantily-clad viera women being the exotic eye candy. It's damaging to real people, women especially, in real life. It also denies us the options for slender bunny men and buff lioness women, which seems to be implying something. All body types for any gender should be accessible. A buff woman is not unsightly and a slender man is not weak. This split really only caters to conservative straight men that already have the monopoly on the media.
And from a technical standpoint, why spend resources on making a new race with such a different aesthetics when they could have gone towards viera men, which were already confirmed to exist and that SE knew people were super excited for?

Gender-locking happened in FFXI and people were unhappy about it. It happened again in XIV 1.0 and it got enough backlash that it was removed in 2.0. SE said they learned their lesson - but this just proves otherwise. I sincerely hope SE will reconsider; I'm willing to have female hrothgar and male viera added in a later patch since 5.0's release is so close, but to not have them at all feels supremely unfair.

Please, SE. Let us have this.