To everyone upset that dancer isn't a healer.

Wow and here I was hyped for DNC to be a healer....

Now I'm even MORE hyped! Now to find the preview!

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Well, Ranged (Phys) DPS had only 2 options, Bard or Machinist, so adding 3rd there balances things out.

So it'll be 4 tanks, 4 melee DPS, 6 ranged DPS. along with 3 healers.

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Fixed that for you. It takes some severe mental gymnastics to ignore casters in the "ranged" dps slot. Yet I see it in every single thread talking about it by multiple people.

If you stand away from the boss and your job is primarily to do damage, you're a ranged dps. Doesn't matter if it's from a piercing object or a spell cast. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Fixed that for you. It takes some severe mental gymnastics to ignore casters in the "ranged" dps slot. Yet I see it in every single threat talking about it by multiple people.

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Thematically there's big difference between physical and magical.

Why not combine all of DPS then? All of them focus on it anyways, bruh. And quite many fights want you to stay close anyways.

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Originally Posted by Physic

i think the problem is, they want to limit the complexity of tanking and healing, since bad heals/tank are more connected to death. Which limits the design space of healers/tanks. not too many ways to do healing differently without upping the complexity, or increasing the difficulty of keeping players alive.

aannd people tend not to like high skill cieling jobs with same max benefit anyhow, sooo basically its pretty hard to come up with an interesting new healer.

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I've feeling quite many would be completely fine if they'd copy-paste WHM/SCH spells, change animations and names a bit and call it new job.

Sorry, ran out of daily posts. :(

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Originally Posted by Barraind

Or just stop adding yet_more_dps. We have 10/11 now, in a place where organized raids cant take more than 4 or 5.

If healers and tanks can go entire expansions without having new toys to play with, dps can be content with still having almost 3 times as many options.

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i think the problem is, they want to limit the complexity of tanking and healing, since bad heals/tank are more connected to death. Which limits the design space of healers/tanks. not too many ways to do healing differently without upping the complexity, or increasing the difficulty of keeping players alive.

aannd people tend not to like high skill cieling jobs with same max benefit anyhow, sooo basically its pretty hard to come up with an interesting new healer.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Thematically there's big difference between physical and magical.

Why not combine all of DPS then? All of them focus on it anyways, bruh. And quite many fights want you to stay close anyways.

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you could probably combine all dps, though melee will always need a different balancing due to not being able to hit from range

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Well, Ranged (Phys) DPS had only 2 options, Bard or Machinist, so adding 3rd there balances things out.

So it'll be 4 tanks, 4 melee DPS, 3 magic DPS, 3 ranged DPS, along with 3 healers.

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3 strength melee dps, 1 dexterity melee dps, 3 magic ranged dps, 3 physical ranged dps.
We're just adding extra distinctions for no reason right?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Fixed that for you. It takes some severe mental gymnastics to ignore casters in the "ranged" dps slot. Yet I see it in every single thread talking about it by multiple people.

If you stand away from the boss and your job is primarily to do damage, you're a ranged dps. Doesn't matter if it's from a piercing object or a spell cast. End of story.

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Originally Posted by AkumaHomura

3 strength melee dps, 1 dexterity melee dps, 3 magic ranged dps, 3 physical ranged dps.
We're just adding extra distinctions for no reason right?

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The game itself provides the distinction if you just look at the job lists in your character window or on Lodestone.

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Originally Posted by AkumaHomura

3 strength melee dps, 1 dexterity melee dps, 3 magic ranged dps, 3 physical ranged dps.
We're just adding extra distinctions for no reason right?

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Casters and (Physical) Ranged play differently from one another. The melee are similar enough.

I'm actually really looking forward to dancer being a physical ranged dps. I know its sucky that healers didn't get anything, but a less rng (hopefully) ranged dps would be great. I'm sure healers will get some cool abilities in ShB to hopefully make up for it.

There aren't very many people complaining about Dancer specifically not being a healer. People are complaining because we have now gone two full expansion cycles without a new healer job at all, just because they can't figure out how to balance them or make them unique. Most people seem to be simultaneously happy with Dancer and unhappy there is still no new healer, be it Dancer or anything else.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Well, Ranged (Phys) DPS had only 2 options, Bard or Machinist, so adding 3rd there balances things out.

So it'll be 4 tanks, 4 melee DPS, 3 magic DPS, 3 ranged DPS, along with 3 healers.

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I know this is what they said, and so I'm not directing this at you but at the development team - this is a really stupid way of looking at things considering the way all party content works in the game.

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Originally Posted by Wynn_Storm

I'm actually really looking forward to dancer being a physical ranged dps. I know its sucky that healers didn't get anything, but a less rng (hopefully) ranged dps would be great. I'm sure healers will get some cool abilities in ShB to hopefully make up for it.

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I get the sentiment, but there's no way every job isn't getting cool abilities in Shadowbringer...Or hypothetically cool abilities, anyways.