Ended sb, someone forgot his key? (spoil)

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Okay thats simpl
Pre hw -- start get betrayed run to isgard for safety still allowed in the towns we are being hunted which is really not logical to start with

Hw start -- enter town join nobelhood basicly go to 1 zone half ways through sent back to uldah and mor dhon...

Hw center -- save the bull, kill whales 3 dungeons then save the kitten ... mean while niddhog sits some were being lazy ...

Near end of hw -- magically three different story's start before ending hws plot the story of domanio,warriors of darkness and al miego pre log while using old ar zones without any rhyme for basic messenger



Next sb

Pre sb -- killed griffin forced to enter a battle field to free ala miego

Start sb -- the battle begins clean and simple flow with pre until we are nearly killed

Start sb part 2 saving downtime to limsa buy a ship and set sail

In between get off track as boars tend to kill ghost

Center sb ---learn about kugan and culture get tricked by a fish into breaking the law saved by turtle who runs a business

because he wants to sell to a company pretty clean and logical flow

Center part 2 leave and gather info from logical pirates taking out imperial to gain freedom


Near end finish the empires threat in the land and enters war 2.0 as we fall into darkness for pre shadow bringers.


Yes left our some but i rushed this cuz half awake but logical and flow of the storys facts has been proven

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This is still an opinion.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

This is still an opinion.

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Thats a fact of flow and story arcs logic strucker with the time flow 1 simple has the better logic with the time flow. One big example of this

Titan is summoned story has you get whine,cheese and a egg for a party that logical if the story was real time everyone would already be dead...

Im not stating the story's are bad just the time flow and logic IS ALOT BETTER IN SB

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Thats a fact of flow and story arcs logic strucker with the time flow 1 simple has the better logic with the time flow. One big example of this

Titan is summoned story has you get whine,cheese and a egg for a party that logical if the story was real time everyone would already be dead...

Im not stating the story's are bad just the time flow and logic IS ALOT BETTER IN SB

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Using the words "logical" in your assessment of SB's story doesn't make it a factually logical statement.

Also, we are discussing HW versus SB. Why are you bringing up ARR? It's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

"Bored weeb seeks cool fight with strong person."

Even if I had no other issues with the Stormblood story I'd still think this sucks as a motivation for a villain.

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Sure it sucks but it's part of why he allows Yutsuyu and Fordola to do what they do. He wants someone who has the strength to rise up and be interesting enough to fight. He was raised to be a weapon. He sees fighting as a sport of a sort it's why he calls it a hunt and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Using the words "logical" in your assessment of SB's story doesn't make it a factually logical statement.

Also, we are discussing HW versus SB. Why are you bringing up ARR? It's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

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It was a example as yes time line logic does make a big differnce..


One key differnce is if i told you to go to lets say china as a example in order to free some guy in order to return to save 500 people who are trapped in a volcanic cave ... when you had the tools on you

Instend of telling you take this tools the tunnel that will take to the people you need to locate is a long journey so be prepared and then put you on a horse and send you to your goal while you meet others with more tools you need to complete your mission.


The fact is the second one is better story due to time line logic

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

One big example of this

Titan is summoned story has you get whine,cheese and a egg for a party that logical if the story was real time everyone would already be dead...

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Didn't your break down of SB's story include a random break from the story to fight ghosts and having a turtle save us from a tricky fish? >w>

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Okay thats simpl
Pre hw -- start get betrayed run to isgard for safety still allowed in the towns we are being hunted which is really not logical to start with

Hw start -- enter town join nobelhood basicly go to 1 zone half ways through sent back to uldah and mor dhon...

Hw center -- save the bull, kill whales 3 dungeons then save the kitten ... mean while niddhog sits some were being lazy ...

Near end of hw -- magically three different story's start before ending hws plot the story of domanio,warriors of darkness and al miego pre log while using old ar zones without any rhyme for basic messenger



Next sb

Pre sb -- killed griffin forced to enter a battle field to free ala miego

Start sb -- the battle begins clean and simple flow with pre until we are nearly killed

Start sb part 2 saving downtime to limsa buy a ship and set sail

In between get off track as boars tend to kill ghost

Center sb ---learn about kugan and culture get tricked by a fish into breaking the law saved by turtle who runs a business

because he wants to sell to a company pretty clean and logical flow

Center part 2 leave and gather info from logical pirates taking out imperial to gain freedom


Near end finish the empires threat in the land and enters war 2.0 as we fall into darkness for pre shadow bringers.


Yes left our some but i rushed this cuz half awake but logical and flow of the storys facts has been proven

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You are merely mentioning events as they have unfolded. This does not prove SB is better than HW. That is like me saying, "It's a fact that sausage is better than pepperoni on pizza" and then when someone asks me to prove it, I then say, "Pizza Hut was founded in 1958." Sure, it's a factual statement, but it does not prove sausage is better than pepperoni on pizza.

In order to prove that SB is better than HW you have to state actual facts that cannot be disputed, but because this is an opinion it is simply not possible for you to do so. Opinions are neither right or wrong because... well because they're opinions.

This is opinion. For me HW flows much better and SB doesn't flow well because the region split makes both stories feel too rushed. I also on the whole found the antagonists in HW far more engaging with the exception of Fordola who I liked.

If your evidence is just to point out things you don't like in HW's story, I can point out a lot of things i hate about SB's story, that doesn't make SB's story objectively worse than HW.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

It was a example as yes time line logic does make a big differnce..

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Perhaps you misunderstood. I will say it again:

You saying “This is logical” does not inherently make it so. I could find it illogical. Which one of us is “right”? Neither, because these are opinions, and opinions can be neither right nor wrong.

I don’t find it logical that Lakshmi was shoehorned in at level 68, nor that the storywriters tried to shove both countries’ liberations into a single expansion. It would have been much better, in my opinion, to have done one during the main expansion (Ala Mhigo), and the second during the 4.x story while mixing in cliffhangers for 5.0 (Doma). Alas, that was not how it was done, and it’s execution, to me, made both feel rushed, and as if Ala Mhigo itself was an afterthought. Ironic, since the entirety of 3.x’s later story revolves around us going to Ala Mhigo...

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

One key differnce is if i told you to go to lets say china as a example in order to free some guy in order to return to save 500 people who are trapped in a volcanic cave ... when you had the tools on you

Instend of telling you take this tools the tunnel that will take to the people you need to locate is a long journey so be prepared and then put you on a horse and send you to your goal while you meet others with more tools you need to complete your mission.


The fact is the second one is better story due to time line logic

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That is your opinion. That is not a fact.

I find both of your hypothetics poor, especially since you’re just inventing them as a means of trying to prove your own argument and support your opinions as facts. They are not. You have not provided any irrefutable evidence that SB is factually better than HW. All you have done is poorly summarize and then say “See! It flows well and logically! It’s better!”

Please learn what the difference is between opinions and facts next time you debate.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Not rlly on written stand point its a fact

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Still looks like an opinion to me, just my opinion.

In HW everything you do (aside from the miniscule part of the story where you go back to Ul'dah which I will concede is bad but is miniscule nonetheless) is working towards one goal: reforming the Scions and saving Ishgard, there's very little mandatory fluff in there and the story is overall tight.

Now look at SB, what does the entire chunk in Kugane where you're looking for Gosetsu and then he ends up being fine with no need of your help accomplish? How does the Ruby Sea section where you hang out with some turtle guys underwater contribute towards the liberation of Doma? Why are there even primal fights in this story about a human conflict? The plot literally has to be put on hold twice in order to fit them in!

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Hw center -- save the bull, kill whales 3 dungeons then save the kitten ... mean while niddhog sits some were being lazy ...

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Am I the only one who has no idea what is meant by half of this? Save the bull, I get, 3 dungeons...I've forgotten the order, but I assume that would be Sohm Al, Aery and Vault. Save kitten being Y'shtola...And Saying Nidhogg is sitting somewhere being lazy? Do you not remember what happens in the Aery?

I personally prefer SB than HW, maybe because of my Asian root. To summarise, SB > HW > ARR. It's however not to say that ARR is bad, I enjoyed it quite a bit, just not so much. It has some memorable moments. I think it would do good for every new players if SE streamline ARR, cut the fat keep the lean (core story), change some of the music, upgrade some fights, etc.

I liked the themes for Stormblood, but the story was extremely jarring. The settings were both very cool, but because of how the story jumps around it was hard to enjoy it all that much. I thought both the primal fights were great, but the fights themselves could have been removed and the story would still work. And the pacing! Good lord, it was like a Harry Potter movie the way we rushed through the plot. Looking back on it not much really happened. Both wars should have been separate expansions.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Actually it is pure fact maybe you need a writing class

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So... I have a background of roughly 8 years of literary studies, including analysis, writing, creative writing, writing style, aesthetics in poetry, movies, theater, novels and wrote one master thesis on videogame and literature mechanics. If it is any relevant... I might give my imput there.

Yet I don't agree with you. Timeline is not a core concept of writing, and you can't really make facts when it comes to writing. So maybe you need to take a writing class? ;)

Take the example of Alexander story in FFXIV. Timeline is not linear and not so logical until you get a grasp of time convolution, time travel, parallel timelines, possible timelines... yet the story makes sense. You can go from point A to point B, you can fairly simply retrace the events and the chronology.
Another example, time compression in Final Fantasy 8. Ultimecia's plan is not easy to grasp until you reach a certain point in the game (the end, basically), and it's about messing up with present, past and future. But its writing has a specific outline that is giving you more and more clues to understand the smaller events and the big picture.

If you want a fact, there is at least one : Stormblood's duality is imbalanced. The Doman ark takes the player from level 61 to 67 in the main game, two full patches (4.2 and 4.3) a good chunk of 4.4, and a part of 4.5. It also takes the whole trial series with the four lords. The Hildibrand story for 4.X. The starting point of Eureka. The Doman reconstruction...
You get the idea. Gyr Abania is squished in a few levels in the main expansion, 4.1 and that's about it. It's a choice they made, but the Stormblood expansion finale is built on uneven grounds. The lenghty Doman part puts aside the main focus of the previous build up which was Ala Mhigo (since 3.4), to a point where coming back for Ala Mhigo feels awkward. And it does show. That's a fact.
If you like it like that, it's an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I think we are going to see Hydaelyn's true colors that's for sure. We know what we are told, and that Hydaelyn imprisoned Zodiark inside the moon. We don't know his side of the story. I believe the voice we are hearing and the one responsible for placing the scions in slumber is indeed Zodiark. I believe we are going to find out his side of the story, and it is going make us question just about everything we currently know about Hydaelyn. She may very well be an usurper.

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I mean if the asicnas are truly serving zodiark I don’t think he would be an ally as they use means like summoning and enslaving people to eikons, propagating war, etc. I’m thinking there is either some entity or force that is stronger than zodiark or Hydaelyn behind flooding the world’s with light and dark, I’m really excited to see where the story goes in 5.0.

Gotta love it when people try to sell their oppinion as facts. :rolleyes:

am i the only one that thinks ARR Part 1 Story was best xD

...Thinking about it, MorbolvampireQueen6 sounds an awful lot like Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way... >w>
Seems kind of trolly to me...