Possible Gunblade Job teacher?

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Originally Posted by Astrid_Stormborn

More than likely a new character, most of the above mentioned are too involved in major storylines, if not MSQ. Even Lucia's stuck in Ishgard, considering it needs to start in an ARR area.

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Why would it need to start in an ARR area? There is no way in hell it's starting at level 50 - that's way too much levelling if you want to switch main jobs at launch. It'll be level 60 that it starts at, which allows for HW areas as well. Though honestly, I think the way they handled new jobs in HW was better. I really think they should be unavailable if you haven't completed the previous expansion. This way they don't have to avoid referencing past MSQ content in the initial job quest arc, and the timeline of events across all content is clearer...

MSQ characters aren't usually job NPCs. The exception was Estinien I think, but he was not a MSQ character in 2.x, when he was in the DRG job quest.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

MSQ characters aren't usually job NPCs. The exception was Estinien I think, but he was not a MSQ character in 2.x, when he was in the DRG job quest.

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He was also involved in the Lv70 quest. Also, even with his heavy involvement in the ARR quests, he was never a "standing NPC" you could interact with. He just turned up in cutscenes, did his thing, and left again. Probably to avoid having him standing around in two places at once, if you were doing those quests during Heavensward.

Hilda took over as primary MCH questgiver during Stormblood, Y'mhitra (SMN) had a brief MSQ role in Heavensward and the Padjals (CNJ/WHM) have ongoing low-level MSQ appearances - plus the Amdapor dungeon unlock quests.

I'd say a better rule is that they won't pick characters who are heavily involved in the current expansion's MSQ. Being a job trainer locks them in place so they're always available for you to make quest progress.

always felt Estinien was a after thought with the Drg lvl 70 quest because he did just show up
he did appear in SB msq twice possibly might get a greater role again in the story or he was just there to clean up the eyes

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Originally Posted by Duskane

always felt Estinien was a after thought with the Drg lvl 70 quest because he did just show up
he did appear in SB msq twice possibly might get a greater role again in the story or he was just there to clean up the eyes

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He seems like an ongoing character now. I'd be surprised if he doesn't turn up in either MSQ or DRG quests for Shadowbringers.

Also the closing paragraph of his Tale from the Storm alludes to the three expansions (azure day, crimson dusk, black twilight) which again makes me think he'll continue to be involved.

His late entry into the DRG quests again seems to be because he "should" still be over in Gyr Abania seeking the Eyes and single-handedly destroying Garlean cannons at the point where you instead run into him hunting dragons in Othard. It would be even messier if he was involved in the quest for longer.

Maybe he learned where the eyes were and until the end of the msq he knew he couldn't deal with them so that freed up some time to help you out. I like that he's just roaming around being a badass.

If they stick the gunblade teacher in an ARR area to me it's make the most sense to stick them in Gridania as it's the closest to where they would be coming from. With the wall near by and having had to deal with Ala Mhigo attacking them during the Autumn War.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

If they stick the gunblade teacher in an ARR area to me it's make the most sense to stick them in Gridania as it's the closest to where they would be coming from. With the wall near by and having had to deal with Ala Mhigo attacking them during the Autumn War.

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To be fair, there's plenty of places that could make sense for ARR zones to have Gunblade teacher.

I mean, there's Mor Dhona with Castrum Centri, East Shroud with the wall that has Castrum Oriens on the other side, Eastern La Noscea with Castrum Occidens, Western Thanalan with Castrum Marinum (Off from Cape Westwind) and Northern Thanalan with Castrum Meridianum.

With Castrum Meridianum also containing the Praetorium, where we did things that could potentially make some Imperials wanna be not enemies any more at the end of the ARR storyline. There may also be people still loyal to Gaius van Baelsar there, in case there are any spoilery reasons why that fact might be relevant at all.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

To be fair, there's plenty of places that could make sense for ARR zones to have Gunblade teacher.

I mean, there's Mor Dhona with Castrum Centri, East Shroud with the wall that has Castrum Oriens on the other side, Eastern La Noscea with Castrum Occidens, Western Thanalan with Castrum Marinum (Off from Cape Westwind) and Northern Thanalan with Castrum Meridianum.

With Castrum Meridianum also containing the Praetorium, where we did things that could potentially make some Imperials wanna be not enemies any more at the end of the ARR storyline. There may also be people still loyal to Gaius van Baelsar there, in case there are any spoilery reasons why that fact might be relevant at all.

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I'm not sure about that as how would it make sense if they came from those areas with how they've done the other newest job unlocks in just needing to have Prae finished. At that time most of them wouldn't know he's alive and there'd still be tension vs if it's to have any tie ins with the end of the 4.5 storyline and start of 5.0 it would make more sense to be put into Girdania as I doubt there's still not a lot of people who would know he's still alive as I'm sure he's sorta in the same boat as Nero in that he'd be arrested. Also they haven't done anything with those in the longest time. It would feel a little silly to say oh yeah there's stiiiil people in those places after all this time who must be starving or stealing food.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

I'm not sure about that as how would it make sense if they came from those areas with how they've done the other newest job unlocks in just needing to have Prae finished. At that time most of them wouldn't know he's alive and there'd still be tension vs if it's to have any tie ins with the end of the 4.5 storyline and start of 5.0 it would make more sense to be put into Girdania as I doubt there's still not a lot of people who would know he's still alive as I'm sure he's sorta in the same boat as Nero in that he'd be arrested.

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Even if they don't know if he's alive (Spoilers).

They saw us kick his butt. They probably would be against us kicking their butt too. So why not swap sides and you know, help the person who not only kicked your bosses butt, but kicked the butt of the super weapon your boss was using and also kicked the butt of an Ascian. All in the short span of a single visit to your base...

Meanwhile, the fact that Baelsar got his butt kicked, started to get him a fair amount of scorn as a leader (Referenced later in the SB storylines), which follows the general attitude of the Imperials where showing weakness is not acceptable. It wouldn't be too hard to also then infer that people who were loyal to Baelsar would also receive scorn for believing in a weak leader. Even more so if they still were somewhat loyal to him despite believing he's dead.

So, there's at least some precedent for a motive for fleeing the imperials and siding with the WoL, even when isolated to merely ARR events, rather than much of the other Castrums where it's kind of just "Yeah, they just decided to desert the Imperials one day"

Of course, this is only predicated on if they DO in fact put the Gunblade job into the ARR timeline.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Also they haven't done anything with those in the longest time. It would feel a little silly to say oh yeah there's stiiiil people in those places after all this time who must be starving or stealing food.

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Well... This is irrelevant, given that we're talking about doing something within the ARR timeline. Meaning there wouldn't be much time since Praetoreum and this guy showing up, given that this guy showing up would be the direct result of clearing Prae, thus it making a whole bunch of sense.

We also don't know if these new jobs are starting at 50 so far as I know. For SB they did, but we're an expansion later. What if the new jobs start at 60? That could open them up to starting in HW zones as well.

I mean the whole reason why it's only after prae is so that the person has a lv 50 job and they seem to be wanting to have with SB and going forward have jobs not be locked behind expansion areas like the HW jobs are. There was a huge amount of unhappy people back when HW came out that were just starting the game when they couldn't just start in on Ast, Drk and Mch once they reached a certain point and that they had to slog through all of ARR. SE themselves even said that was a mistake and it's why we now have 3 jobs that start in ARR areas that only need you to have the 2.0 storyline done and a lv 50 battle class to unlock. It's partly why many have brought up people like Nero and others that we now know we can trust vs some unkwon npc who somehow survived our dives into their base messing up a lot of them and have us trust them.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

I mean the whole reason why it's only after prae is so that the person has a lv 50 job and they seem to be wanting to have with SB and going forward have jobs not be locked behind expansion areas like the HW jobs are. There was a huge amount of unhappy people back when HW came out that were just starting the game when they couldn't just start in on Ast, Drk and Mch once they reached a certain point and that they had to slog through all of ARR. SE themselves even said that was a mistake and it's why we now have 3 jobs that start in ARR areas that only need you to have the 2.0 storyline done and a lv 50 battle class to unlock.

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Yeah, the thing to consider though, is that with each new expansion, simply tossing classes into ARR content starts to create an increasing issue of the levels you need to attain on said class to be able to participate in the current content.

With SB it was 20 levels you had to get through, with half of them actually being current content.

With ShB (God, I so hate the name of the next expansion xD) it'll be 30 levels you have to get through, with only a third of them being current content.

It's only going to get worse as each expac comes out.

So, it's not unlikely that they might put jobs in a later expansion, but not require the CURRENT expansion to have progress in (Which was part of the thing with the HW jobs, was that not only did you need to complete all of ARR, you then had to do HW quests until you were finally able to enter Ishgard. Something that annoyed me as I was trying to rush to try out Dork Knight ASAP and being really annoyed with how long it took before I could finally enter the city just to grab the class and go start beating up level 30 dudes to try and level >.>)

Thus, they could make it so you just have to complete Heavensward (Quest) and have a level 60 battle class and it could start at level 50-60 in some HW content. Or it could be just complete Stormblood (Quest) with a level 70 battle class and could start at level 60-70 in some SB content.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

It's partly why many have brought up people like Nero and others that we now know we can trust

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Speak for yourself, I trust Nero exactly as far as I can throw him.

If it was pre going through omega Nero I'd be right there with you because he did come off as a highly untrustworthy type but a post omega Nero on the other hand he's moved away a little from this guy is totally shady. That and come on he can't be as bad as Martin the blue trainer who literally made us do his work. Now, Nero might still try to pull off an it was all me thing but he also has his competitive side.

We'll see how/where they'll be putting this job's start at this weekend but I still think they'll be trying to have this and any other job(s) not blocked by something big like an expansion. Unless they really do want to sell those story skip potions :/

The issue with HW was that you had to get to level 50 and play through a bunch of patches of boring msq, often considered the low point of the entire game, to get to Ishgard and unlock them as level 30 jobs. I'm not saying they WILL do this, but I don't think it would have the same problem. The main issue with the HW jobs was having to get to 50+, get to Ishgard, and then start over at 30, where as if the new jobs started at 60, starting in Ishgard would be fine just as RDM and SAM starting at 50 in ul'dah works.

I really doubt it's going to be an established npc though. I'm guessing they'll go for new characters. They could be related to a castrum in Eorzea or just a group of defectors etc that we meet, there's any number of ways they could take the job story. I'm curious what they'll do with the stone, maybe it will be a new stone just like MCH?

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Originally Posted by SannaR

If it was pre going through omega Nero I'd be right there with you because he did come off as a highly untrustworthy type but a post omega Nero on the other hand he's moved away a little from this guy is totally shady. That and come on he can't be as bad as Martin the blue trainer who literally made us do his work. Now, Nero might still try to pull off an it was all me thing but he also has his competitive side.

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Well, to be fair, I disliked pretty much everyone in the BLU story... Martyn was made out to be a good guy eventually, but still didn't sway me from not liking him and his shady practices.

Omega still hasn't changed my mind about Nero. The fact that we ended up having Cid watch his every move and make sure that Omega got shut down doesn't exactly boost my confidence in the guy who keeps trying to access stupidly powerful Allagan weapons.

Like, that's why I'd trust a random dude who fled from the base I attacked far more, since that dude's only motive is survival. Nero wants power/notoriety and isn't afraid to try and access stuff LIKE Omega in order to do it. Like, how freaking sketch is it that he comes along and is all like "Oh, I just happen to know exactly how to start up and control Omega" like it's a common thing to just pick up knowledge of how to command a ridiculously powerful weapon...

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Originally Posted by SannaR

We'll see how/where they'll be putting this job's start at this weekend but I still think they'll be trying to have this and any other job(s) not blocked by something big like an expansion. Unless they really do want to sell those story skip potions :/

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Yeah.

As I say, I can see both sides to things.

Putting all jobs within ARR content so people can access them easily (Just having to figure out how to write them into the storyline for that period of time)

As well as transitioning to putting them into expansion content so as to alleviate the leveling concerns for the job itself as well as giving more freedom to write them into a period that makes sense off the bat (I.e. Something like post 4.5 Populares or one of Shadowhunter's cronies or past acquaintances)

Well he did sneak into the orignal pvp map and found omega that way and concerning how well the Allagans recorded things he could have found something. I mean Garleans did find Ultima Weapon and learn how to use it. Those notes had to be found somehow let alone learning how to bring down Dalamud. I mean we are talking about someone who's as smart as Cid and comes from an Empire that brought back cloning.

I still don't like Martin but at least he doesn't want to industrialize the new world. That and the Carnival owner will probably keep him in line.

I quite like Martyn.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I quite like Martyn.

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Me too. I hope he returns in some capacity. But I dobt he would be a gunblade teacher. If it is not somebody we aready know I would bet it would be the XIV version of either Squall or Seifer.

Give me the brooding emo one and not the I think I'm better than you and I also dislike you because I can't believe you freaking forgot about our childhood due to a slightly unknown effect from the use of summons one.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Give me the brooding emo one and not the I think I'm better than you and I also dislike you because I can't believe you freaking forgot about our childhood due to a slightly unknown effect from the use of summons one.

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Well I get you. But brooding emo's leadership and teaching skills pretty much extend to: ......whatever.....

Quite frankly neither of them would be really good as teachers. But hey. They are the only gunblade wielders available.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well I get you. But brooding emo's leadership and teaching skills pretty much extend to: ......whatever.....

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To be fair, he wouldn't be the first teacher in the game to take that particular stance.

For example, Severian, the Alchemist tutor is pretty much that for the majority of the ARR questline (Before you prove yourself to be useful)

More recently, Martyn's view on actually training you throughout the Blue Mage questline is pretty much just that too. With it only really changing towards the end when the antagonist starts to be a major jerk.

At least "...Whatever..." might contribute slightly more than Gigi's "You suck and everything you do makes me want to vomit" style of teaching xD

Now it seems that we really could get a new random npc for the teacher since they chose VIII's look and maybe style

It'll no doubt be Gai... I mean, Shadowhunter. Failing that, it could be the contingent of Garlean refugees, eg. someone like Maxima, and I'd be fine with that. Him saving/assisting Alphinau won't be forgotten in a hurry. Likeable character, disheartened with the Empire, uses a Gunblade and seems the type who could easily fill the teacher void, probably as part of payment/penance for swapping side - which would leave us without future plot-holes like Shadowhunter would (assuming they follow through with that side of things down the road).

Quite possible that we'd get a fresh new character for it as well, but I'd bank on the above two for now.

Yeah, given that they went with VIII Gunblades instead of the Garlean style ones, I'm willing to bet that we won't have a Garlean being the class tutor.

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Q: It was announced that the gunblades would be different from the ones the Empire uses. Why is that?

A: Simply because I wasn't involved with 1.0's story *laughs* The Empire's gunblades were designed before I joined FFXIV, so it feels like they aren't the gunblades that everyone wants to see. The Empire's gunblades are bayonets--they're guns with blades attached to them. However, the gunblade that the players want is Squall's, right? They would be happier if we implemented that one instead. But of course, it has to tie into the lore, so the job quests will explain why we haven't seen these non-imperial gunblades until now.

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Non-imperial Gunblades are what we wanted and what we're getting.

As such, it's likely that we'll have a non-imperial job teacher. Hence why starting the job in somewhere like Gridania (Tentative) makes some level of sense because it doesn't need to be connected to the imperials at all.

So, now my guess is we might have a new fanservice-y character come in.

Such as a quiet, brooding guy with medium length brown hair, a scar across his face... Goes by the name "Leon"... Likes to say "...Whatever..." a bunch...

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Originally Posted by RopeDrink

It'll no doubt be Gai... I mean, Shadowhunter. Failing that, it could be the contingent of Garlean refugees, eg. someone like Maxima, and I'd be fine with that. Him saving/assisting Alphinau won't be forgotten in a hurry. Likeable character, disheartened with the Empire, uses a Gunblade and seems the type who could easily fill the teacher void, probably as part of payment/penance for swapping side - which would leave us without future plot-holes like Shadowhunter would (assuming they follow through with that side of things down the road).

Quite possible that we'd get a fresh new character for it as well, but I'd bank on the above two for now.

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I doubt Shadowhunter. I think he'll be too important in the MSQ to be the job teacher, as you usually don't get npcs having major roles in both. The exception is Estinien but he wasn't in the HW dragoon quests proboably for that very reason.

Also given that these aren't imperial style gunblades my money is that they were made to defend against and counter imperial weapons rather than being of imperial origin.

The teacher has to be present for the end of HW as the restriction is to be lv 60 with ShB expansion to unlock it in Gridania. Could they use the ex-garlean guy who is with Kan-E-Senna possible as much possible as a defector that was trying new techniques with a gunblade