Question About Sharing a Character

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

From the context of his post I was assuming he wanted his exp removed, because he played with a "cheater".

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If that is indeed the case then fair enough, but I can see why others would see it as wanting the "cheater's" XP removed. That was how I originally perceived it. But to answer the question if that is what he meant, no you can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

From the context of his post I was assuming he wanted his exp removed, because he played with a "cheater".

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If that's the case, then sorry, but that's just stupid.

So my cat isn't allowed to play? I haven't shared my account information with him, but I thought it would be fine if he just goofed around in the open world.

Omg omg that means that i'm in serious trouble. i have been sharing my controller when i'm playing with friends on my ps4 account what to do. i also been sharing food from my fridge, i'm probably going to share jail time for this :p:p

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

No one is “punishing” the OP though

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And neither did the OP punish the guy who had his girlfriend take over his character for a while. Reporting someone isn't a punishment. It's just letting SE know about it so that they can be the ones to decide whether it's an issue or not.

This was technically account sharing, but probably not the type that SE was talking about when they put it in the ToS. But it's their rule, so they're the best people to decide whether it still counts as an infraction or not. There's nothing wrong with reporting it to them so that they can do so. If they don't think it warrants any action, then there won't be any action taken.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

And neither did the OP punish the guy who had his girlfriend take over his character for a while. Reporting someone isn't a punishment. It's just letting SE know about it so that they can be the ones to decide whether it's an issue or not.

This was technically account sharing, but probably not the type that SE was talking about when they put it in the ToS. But it's their rule, so they're the best people to decide whether it still counts as an infraction or not. There's nothing wrong with reporting it to them so that they can do so. If they don't think it warrants any action, then there won't be any action taken.

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That's not what Hyo meant by punishing the op as someone else said anyone who thought the op's actions and asking for xp to be taken away was a bit too far regardless if what that other player did was or wasn't against the ToS as punishing the OP.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

You new to the forums? Attack people for points. One reason why the forums are a cesspit.


There is no such thing as wasting a GM's time when it is literally their job to address player queries, GMs don't deal with bots, you can't get in trouble off reports alone and if something isn't against the ToS, the GMs would clarify.

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Yes you can get into trouble from reports alone. If you keep making one false report after another in the end they will take action against you. Seen it happen though it was around 2 years ago. so who knows what their stance is now.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Partly it covers them from demands for compensation if someone uses another player's shared information to steal or sabotage their account - as covered in the extended quote of section 3.1 that Valkyrie posted.

But it's also going to allow for a "Catch-22" ban if someone does something ban-worthy, then tries to say it wasn't them, it was their friend who used their account. Instead of having to judge the truth - potentially about something serious - SE can now say "well maybe you didn't do X, but you've admitted to sharing your account so we're banning you for that instead".

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There's a third reason for it as well. If multiple people are playing the game, SE wants to be paid for each of them. You can't get one account for the whole family, have everyone make a character and take turns playing the game while only paying for one subscription. That's the least likely of the three problems to come to SE's attention so they can stop it, but they'd want to stop it when they can. If multiple people in the family play the game, you're supposed to purchase the game and pay a sub for each of them.

(It would still be a bit of stretch to think that applies to this case. I just thought if people are discussing the reason for the "no account sharing" rule, we should bring up all the reasons for it.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

And neither did the OP punish the guy who had his girlfriend take over his character for a while. Reporting someone isn't a punishment. It's just letting SE know about it so that they can be the ones to decide whether it's an issue or not.

This was technically account sharing, but probably not the type that SE was talking about when they put it in the ToS. But it's their rule, so they're the best people to decide whether it still counts as an infraction or not. There's nothing wrong with reporting it to them so that they can do so. If they don't think it warrants any action, then there won't be any action taken.

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Uh, I never said anything about OP "punishing" anyone else either. But I did say that they completely overreacted, and made a mountain out of a molehill. Go back and reread my post.

I had my brother take over healing on my character in wow one time while doing a DS LFR raid because I had to go to the bathroom REALLY bad and didn't want to AFK. I don't really think that is even worth reporting, and seems somewhat petty?

I... I can't... I refuse to believe this is real life.

Man, if this were the case for everyone, I can't imagine how many new players we wouldn't have who didn't give the game a go on their friends/family/SO's account for a sec before getting their own..

tl;dr to OP: Chill out, honeybee. It's a game.

TIL: Handing off the controller to someone else for a second is tos-breaking and banworthy. *shrug*

You...reported this? I don't even...

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Originally Posted by persist4647

I was in a PUG earlier this evening and we wiped, looks like the healer stopped healing. The guy then came on Party Chat, apologized and said his girlfriend took over while he did something.

I don't care about wiping, my concern is... are people allowed to share a character? I.e. two individuals playing one toon? If not, this guy was cheating. Anyway, I left the duty and reported him. Not sure what else I can do. I feel awful about it, guilty that I was in the part but I had no idea.

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You say you don't care and then you said you reported him.

And no...it's not illegal. His girlfriend played his character. It's his girlfriend. Not a power level company in Taikia, China

The guy had to pee and his girlfriend grabbed the controller. I refuse to believe this is real lol. OP has to be a troll.
Can you imagine what happens if someone passed him while driving? Does he call 911 and report every car for speeding too?

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Originally Posted by Annah

Can you imagine what happens if someone passed him while driving? Does he call 911 and report every car for speeding too?

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Yes and then he is worried to lose his license, because he was on the same road as the person who was driving too fast.

...at least that's what I get from the 2 posts the OP made in this forum.

He feels guilty because he was in the same dungeon with someone who was "sharing" his account, not because he was reporting someone who did no harm to anyone... >.>

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Originally Posted by persist4647

I was in a PUG earlier this evening and we wiped, looks like the healer stopped healing. The guy then came on Party Chat, apologized and said his girlfriend took over while he did something.

I don't care about wiping, my concern is... are people allowed to share a character? I.e. two individuals playing one toon? If not, this guy was cheating. Anyway, I left the duty and reported him. Not sure what else I can do. I feel awful about it, guilty that I was in the part but I had no idea.

Can someone confirm of this is or is not allowed and is there any other action I can take (having the XP removed or whatever?).

Thanks.

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So wait a minute, you're asking if someone broke the rules, after reporting someone, for apologizing for causing a wipe in your duty...

If I read the OP correctly, the healer had a girlfriend next to him and he still playing a game?

Jokes apart, technically his gf didn't take over the character, if as OP said, healer were standing still and not healing. Maybe she just took the controller in her hands and that's it. I see no problems.

Back when I was a guide for a different MMO, I suspended someone for a day for making a petition like the one the OP claims to have made.

There are literally not enough hours in the day of any member of a CS team to deal with that kind of abject nonsense on any sort of basis, regular or otherwise.

The best part of that job (more realistically, that era of gaming) was being able to heavy-handedly deal with that kind of inane bullshit without filling out paperwork justifying why you might have done what you did. "Petitioner was an asshole" sufficed if someone had a question about it.

Yes, it's technically against the terms you agree to when playing the game. However, even in their terms Square just says that you're responsible for maintaining your own account privacy, and if you share your character or account login information, they are not responsible for anything that happens. Could they delete your account for it? Sure, they technically can delete any account they want. Will they? Probably not.

Speaking for myself, I've handed off my controller to friends to play around in the game to get a feel for how it works, and I've had friends who play ask me to play a minute for them while they run off to answer the door or run to the restroom. This isn't a big deal and doesn't violate any rules considering they haven't given me their login information. Also a few years back I gave my roommate my login information because he wanted to see if he enjoyed the game before committing to buying it. I let him made a character on my account which he played for a month before deciding he didn't want to get the final game. Not a big deal, and afterwards, I changed my account password. Again, not a big deal as the rules explicitly state that if anything happened because I shared that information, Square simply wasn't responsible.

End of the day, lighten up. No real harm happened to you because he let someone else take the controller for a minute.

Well, OP, if it makes you feel any better you've more than likely:

1) Bought something from the MB that was being sold by an RMT bot or someone using 3rd party bot programs.
2) Been in a party with someone running 3rd party parsing programs.
3) Sold something on the MB to someone who is using bots, buying or selling through RMT, or maybe even has a parser.
4) Been in a FATE with someone who was running a parser.

Terrible, isn't it? You should probably just go ahead and delete, since there's no way of knowing how much of your FFXIV experience has been tainted by liars and cheats.