Thank you for making Blue Mage unique!

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You are making the mistake of thinking that people who want solo content only want solo content. I love group content but sometimes I want to do stuff on my own. I want to do things at my own pace, be chill, listen to music and reboot a bit before I do group content again. I also find it satisfying to do some things by myself instead of having to always rely on others to help me do things.

Sure mmos' primary goal is to provide group content and encourage people to make teams and friends, but it's not the only goal. A good dev team knows their game has several types of players and they have several types of needs.

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it starts with 1 piece but they will keep asking for more . if you get a small taste of something you will always be craving for more. blue mage could have been an awesome way to expiriment with party compositions, raid fights and much more. having to see which abilities are more usefull in which fight.

as mentioned before most things on the duty finder don't require one bit of human interaction, you don't have to talk or discuss . You just have to walk the pathway and kill things in your way. this game already has solo content it's just disguised as the duty roulette

I am so happy they have chose not go down the route of the generic stick to the rotations option we have now. I love the game but the jobs are so bad and boring. Every skill and spell is almost the same on each job just a different name.

The jobs like RDM while fun having hardly any spells like paralyze, refresh are so restricted. I am glad that are letting you get exp from open world monsters.

I played Puppetmaster and beastmaster in XI for times I wanted to farm and solo. I also remember some people moaning over getting BLU spells in XI but its part of the fun. I am a bit older so grinding mobs and working for something was the norm for me.

I think people are blowing it out of proportion. Balance for Blue Mage would be a nightmare, something like this would never make it in another modern MMO: too fun and unique. But they added it, true to what the Blue Mage is, and hey had to make certain limitations so it wouldn't break the game. The level cap is probably so they can see how much it breaks the game at a level that wouldn't terribly matter, so they can see how to proceed to bring it up to level cap. I think it's more than reasonable an impressed they actually did what they've done.

I think the best way to get it in a state to use the Duty Finder would be to make it choose a role (blu mage tank would be interesting if possible...) and to unlock the option to queue as a certain role it should have certain skills unlocked. You need the full suite of tank/healer/dps skills acquired to queue for that role. So it doesn't go into content it can;t do as well as another job of that role. Also, I'd imagine certain broken or strange skills wouldn't be usable in Duty Finder, and the skill should say if it is one of those. I'm excited to play Blue Mage. :)

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You are making the mistake of thinking that people who want solo content only want solo content. I love group content but sometimes I want to do stuff on my own. I want to do things at my own pace, be chill, listen to music and reboot a bit before I do group content again. I also find it satisfying to do some things by myself instead of having to always rely on others to help me do things.

Sure mmos' primary goal is to provide group content and encourage people to make teams and friends, but it's not the only goal. A good dev team knows their game has several types of players and they have several types of needs.

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To build on your argument, sometimes you want to do something alone, but you want other people you know available to talk with while you do stuff. I mean... My FC has been dead forever, but I find social stuff in the Novice Network and Eureka. I can do this on my own time when I don't have static night stuff. BLU solo content is the same deal. It's something to do when I'm not playing with others. I'm playing a game, and talking to people. Playing solo doesn't defeat the point of an MMO. Crafting and Gathering is also solo content. But people who do it aren't hermits.

I feel people are seeing this as something new, and freaking out. When more limited jobs get added, people will worry less. Plus they need to announce some normal jobs to mitigate the issues. An alternative might also be adding some content BLU can participate in. Some people might hate Eureka, but others of us like it due to the more social nature of things like The NM Train, and the active shout chat.

I absolutely love the unique leveling and skill acquisition aspect to Blue Mage. The thrill when you learn that spell after what feels like your 50th kill is pretty great.

But I want to use those skills I worked so hard for in group raid content. Allow me to gather all the crazy spells I want and use them however I see fit while on my own. And then establish certain skills and alterations to those skills that will be required for me to play with a group.

We can meet in the middle, here. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I am super excited for the way Blue Mage is implemented, heck, it's a masterstroke for players like me, that's very casual, doesn't want to do Raid stuff, and just ever play a single job. [It will keep me subscribed longer... and perhaps when it drops it'll keep me subbed up until the new expansion, winning even more subscription money from me!]

The way it's designed is reminiscent of Blue Mage in FFXI, and I can imagine me and my buddy just going out and hunting for Blue Spells!

I am just curious to see if it'll have a Rotation / or a gauge.

Maybe they'll add Unbridled Knowledge gauge where Primal / Extreme Abilities are only accessible via the gauge being full.

Super psyched, am ready to play BLU, sad it's still a bit further out.

And the good news, imagine that this expansion adds 4 jobs, 2 "Limited" Beastmaster / Puppetmaster and 2 actual jobs like Dancer / Rune Fencer (Which I believe is that supposed DRK on the screen) and Gunblade class.

turning a job into a sightseeing log isn’t a good idea, please delete this thread

I see this as the devs way of exploring new play styles and seeing what works. It's just like what they said during the live letter, depending on how well received BLU is, it just may open the door for other classes from the FF series to be added later on down the road. While I do understand that vocal minority that are upset about the restrictions put on BLU, as a career BLU in XI, I can definitely identify with what Yoshi-P was saying in in the first example as I and maybe many other Blu's have experienced just that, being kicked from a party for not having certain spells, being asked and harassed to have certain spells set, and the list goes on.

However, his example/excuse also has a negative side to it as well. It shows that the team lacks trust in the community and is holding our hands a bit too much, hence why the game is in the state that it's in now. As for the issues with certain spells being used in dungeons and raid content, it's nothing that simple balancing can't fix. Level 5 death should never be usable against dungeon and raid bosses. Debuffs such as that and actions that can one-shot bosses, should be set to where the boss is either immune to them or only take a fraction of the damage that they received. As they slowly raise the lvl cap for BLU, I'll for the time being look at BLU as being in maintenance mode since technically it is a work in progress and hopefully by the time the cap for BLU has reached 80, they've changed their stance on it being allowed into raids and duty finder content.

One thing I did leave out was how BLU will be utilizing the elements in order to best defeat an enemy. It makes me wonder if we'll see classes such as BLM, RDM, WHM, and SMN return to being the true elemental users that they're known for in FF games. It also opens up the possibility of bringing life back to the open world. Seeing the reaction that FFXI is currently getting and the addition of Trusts come 5.0, maybe BLU's won't be going at it alone in the open world, grinding off of random mobs.

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turning a job into a sightseeing log isn’t a good idea, please delete this thread

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Then you fail to understand what BLU is. Blue Mage/Yellow Mage/Mimic class has in almost all of it's incarnations, has been about traveling the world and defeating mobs to learn their attacks. To have it any other way would be a disgrace to said class/job/skill. Don't get me wrong, the restrictions aren't good, but they aren't bad either. With the amount of people that either come on these forums complaining about someone not playing a class right, being kicked from a party because they were told to play a class better, or that said class/job wasn't balanced/implemented right...can you really blame them for taking precautions with such an experimental class, because that's what BLU is. Or, would you rather have the mess that is SMN/SCH where they still don't know what to do or how to balance it?

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turning a job into a sightseeing log isn’t a good idea, please delete this thread

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This comment is so... iiirgh, and should be deleted... just accept that there are people who are looking forward to it, just because you find it stupid and lame, what you have written often enough in other threads does not mean that others should not look forward to it.

I'm very happy with BLU Mage and I understand why it's limited, I'm not mad at all, I'm really excited about it. To me, this respesents true BLU and it's something really new that isn't stuck in a Trinity system. I would hate it if it was a generic caster with one unique spells like red mages( both can cast magical dps, except one has a better cure and faster raise), I would have really hated to learn monster spells though job quests and, by just going out into the world and learning all these spells is a unique experience that no other job can do. Thank you SE, thank you yoshida and Dev team.

The only gripe I do have about BLU though is the god awful AF that we're getting at 50 and that we got a pimp cane/wand as a weapon instead of something unique and new. I can see some random player running around in their AF and using Tail Slap to troll other players in PvP.

But in all seriousness, you would think that despite coming out in 4.5, you would think that BLU was going to be the end all...be all for 5.0. As I stated above, blu will be the first job/class to utilize elemental strengths and exploit those same weaknesses on mobs outside of Eureka. What this means is that, not only are open world mobs getting an exp boost (not sure if the exp boost will only be available to BLU's or everyone), but they're gaining elemental traits outside of Eureka. Whatever is going to happen with this supposed new Calamity may very well change things. It's no Dalamud, but where ever the Ascians are involved, you're sure there some craziness not too far behind.

For now, all we know is that at 50 we get access to the Masked Carnival, but what other content does SE have planned? We don't know. It's not like they revealed the entirety of 5.0 to us in this one Fanfest. There's still two fan festivals to go, patches 4.5 parts 1 & 2, as well as a butt load of Live Letters before 5.0 goes live come summer 2019. Yes, it will suck if that's all Blu gets access to come lvl 50, but I've half of mind to believe there's going to be more and once they unlock the 80 cap for BLU we'll get access to more stuff. I mean, people are barely still running BCoB or Crystal Tower and queues outside of daily roulettes are hell if you're not on at peak times for your time zone/server. So what good will a lvl 50 be to everyone when it'll start at lvl 1 and have a cap at 50, which will only increase over increments of patches?

So the cons are, we're locked out of content and by the time we actually get to reach the lvl 80 cap, everyone else will be done with the current 5.0 content if we do finally get access to them. Pros, BLU opens up the door for so many possibilities.

Thanks for wasting your time and resources on a dead end job!

There's no place for something like this in an MMO. Make it a real job.

I'm curious about what all of those complaining about this would think about them introducing a new crafter or gatherer class.
Would that be pointless? Dead content? A waste of resources?

BLU like this is much more in the crafter/gatherer niche than it is main jobs, but thays doesnt make it pointless.

People who want BLU as a regular job, didn't really want BLU to begin with.

Change my view.

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People who want BLU as a regular job, didn't really want BLU to begin with.

Change my view.

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There were two camps i think.
Those who wanted another RDM with a different name.
Those who wanted a magic tank.

I'd hate it to be RDM clone.

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Originally Posted by FlatArtiq

as mentioned before most things on the duty finder don't require one bit of human interaction, you don't have to talk or discuss . You just have to walk the pathway and kill things in your way. this game already has solo content it's just disguised as the duty roulette

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Wait, what? You think because players are not talking to each that they are not interacting? See, it's misconceptions like this that give off an air that the game is in a worse state than the reality. This is not the only form on interacting. A colony of ants is incapable of speech, yet they are still communicating and interacting aren't they?

Truth of the matter is, when you are in group content, all of you start interacting the moment someone says hello, or the duty ring disappears and the lot of you charge forward to accomplish the objectives. This doesn't mean the interactions are always good, but they are always happening. From this perspective, it is easier to see that interactions between players happen all the time.

Now if you want a more social aspect added to FFXIV that is a different story. This is what we don't have in comparison to some other mmos out there, but it isn't because of game design. Anything but. From a bird's eye view, I don't really see the desire for this from the playerbase. Not even close. We group because we share a common interest or goal, not to be social. The game provides opportunities to be social, but does not force them. It's up to us to interact in a way that does involve speech and emotes, as it should be. Being social typically also results in no progression for your character, and some people are truly here just to play the game.

The benefit to being social though is you can acquire friends, which then opens up a network. For players like me, this is scary because of the issues I have being social. So it really is a good thing that it is left up to us, the players to be social.

I don't understand how another cookie cutter DPS is inherently far better than a more unique idea like this. It would literally be the exact same thing as every other class just with different flash. Is that all people want? Different lights? Not to suggest that I think this implementation is flawless, but it's certainly more interesting - in my eyes - than another generic job which doesn't really add anything to the game other than increase the chances that one or more jobs get shunted to the side as a result of the eternal Balancing War.

I don't think Blue Mage is for me and I likely will not play it beyond the initial testing phase alongside my friend, but I find it to be a cool idea with a lot of potential going forward. I mean, how is this "horribly useless content" when you have something like Fishing in the game - which a lot of people evidently enjoy? Hell, what about crafting? Because let's be real, unless you own a house you are actively decorating, then gil doesn't have a whole lot of value worth talking about for the most part and yet people go hard into their end-game crafting either way every, single update.

I don't understand the hate against Blue Mage, if SE make him a Job like Red Mage or Black Mage, he wouldn't deserve the name Blue Mage at all.
I am Happy that this is not a generic Job like the other Caster DPS, and i am excited about the moment i test it with my Friends in some Ex Trails and the Binding Coil of Bahamut.
The Blue Mage we get is a traditional Job from older Games that learns his Skills from Enemys, and he is a " Mage " not a Tank and not a Healer.

And i think the hate would be the same if SE had design him like any other Caster DD, because there are always that kind of People that had to hate on something.

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I don't understand how another cookie cutter DPS is inherently far better than a more unique idea like this. It would literally be the exact same thing as every other class just with different flash. Is that all people want? Different lights? Not to suggest that I think this implementation is flawless, but it's certainly more interesting - in my eyes - than another generic job which doesn't really add anything to the game other than increase the chances that one or more jobs get shunted to the side as a result of the eternal Balancing War.

I don't think Blue Mage is for me and I likely will not play it beyond the initial testing phase alongside my friend, but I find it to be a cool idea with a lot of potential going forward. I mean, how is this "horribly useless content" when you have something like Fishing in the game - which a lot of people evidently enjoy? Hell, what about crafting? Because let's be real, unless you own a house you are actively decorating, then gil doesn't have a whole lot of value worth talking about for the most part and yet people go hard into their end-game crafting either way every, single update.

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Yes, that is what people want. To be able to play the game like all the other jobs. This is not difficult concept to comprehend.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

Yes, that is what people want. To be able to play the game like all the other jobs. This is not difficult concept to comprehend.

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Thats what the other jobs are for. We're still getting two new jobs in the expansion. This is something extra.
Do you hate crafter/gatherers for taking part in "useless side content"?

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Thats what the other jobs are for. We're still getting two new jobs in the expansion. This is something extra.
Do you hate crafter/gatherers for taking part in "useless side content"?

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But we aren't getting BLU like the other jobs, so I don't care about the two new jobs.

As I already answered you in another thread, the crafters/gatherers are not jobs and they DO directly interact with the social aspect of the game through the economy. And even still many people do see crafting and gathering as useless side content. BLU is even worse than that.

My own thoughts on BLU are I think it's great. For the longest time we thought it would never make it into the game based on earlier statements from Yoshi. Yet, it's on the way and before the expansion?! Freakin' awesome!

I feel that if we got a version of BLU that could participate in dungeons and raids, it would be severely watered down and a huge disappointment to BLU fans. I foresee tons upon tons threads to fix it. The devs can't rework the game to fit the lore around one job, and we already have so many DPS jobs filling the queues. I actually enjoy that they're breaking the mold a bit, and giving us something new. I had no interest in playing BLU when I first heard the rumors, and now with this I am totally on board.

I do sympathize for those who are disappointed though, but this is why I always say you have to be really careful in how much you invest into content that has yet to be implemented into the game.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

Yes, that is what people want. To be able to play the game like all the other jobs. This is not difficult concept to comprehend.

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The key part there is 'like all the other jobs'... shoved into a DPS / Tank / Healer box 'like all the other jobs'... gaining abilities by leveling up (and a handful of class quests) 'like all the other jobs'... leveling up via Duty Roulette / PotD 'like all the other jobs'... having a different rotation but ultimately just being a DPS with a few extras 'like all the other jobs'... having a fixed set of abilities 'like all the other jobs'... end-game progression that relies solely on gear 'like all the other jobs'... being included / excluded from 'meta' based on 1-2 'unique' abilities but otherwise only on how much DPS they are capable of 'like all the other jobs'...

I can understand that you may just want to do the regular old duty / raid grind as a job called 'Blue Mage', but do you really understand what it is you are asking for when you say you want Blue Mage to be 'like all the other jobs' in FFXIV?

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The key part there is 'like all the other jobs'... shoved into a DPS / Tank / Healer box 'like all the other jobs'... gaining abilities by leveling up (and a handful of class quests) 'like all the other jobs'... leveling up via Duty Roulette / PotD 'like all the other jobs'... having a different rotation but ultimately just being a DPS with a few extras 'like all the other jobs'... having a fixed set of abilities 'like all the other jobs'... end-game progression that relies solely on gear 'like all the other jobs'... being included / excluded from 'meta' based on 1-2 'unique' abilities but otherwise only on how much DPS they are capable of 'like all the other jobs'...

I can understand that you may just want to do the regular old duty / raid grind as a job called 'Blue Mage', but do you really understand what it is you are asking for when you say you want Blue Mage to be 'like all the other jobs' in FFXIV?

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What you're arguing is that it is impossible to create a job in FFXIV without locking it into those restrictions, which isn't true. Those restrictions are self imposed by the developers and they can be lifted any time they please. You can have a job that is both unique in its execution, while still having a place in end game and group content "like all the other jobs".

I am so excited for Blue Mage. I am over the moon that they are trying something new and trying to stay true to the original theme of Blue Mage instead of trying to make it fit into the play style of the other jobs thereby weakening the original concept of the Job. I am totally being selfish and am wishing they would do the same thing for Summoner now XD. Have a solo play scenario where you fight the Primals and after beating them obtain them as actual summons. Because the sheer power of true primal summoning would be game breaking , you could do it in PvE and solo content. But that is just me being silly and wishing for something that will never happen. Anyway, super excited for Blue Mage and I hope that they stay true to the concept they have designed for it and don't cave in to people crying because it doesn't play well with others lol.

I completely agree with the spirit of the thread, I also am so over the moon excited about this.

I understand the frustration from raiders and I feel for them, but for myself I am beyond excited for the inclusion of solo classes.

I remember back in ffxi, beastmasters and puppet masters were “solo jobs”, they weren’t necessarily made solo, but rather parties were very against having them, and it was always a lot of fun running around a zone and running into a random beastmaster or puppetmaster mucking about slowly leveling and just enjoying themselves. Additionally, it created such a strong attachment to my puppet and I loved that little bugger.

If they can’t make these classes fit the ffxiv mold without ruining them, I fully accept limited classes for the sheer fun of playing them as they should be.

My main fun in mmos is always leveling, learning the job, and in final fantasies, the story.
Raiding just isn’t for me.

And while I know this isn’t ffxi, and a lot of the complaints are valid, I’m personally excited for a unique class experience.

I’m truly sorry for the disappointment raiders feel, and maybe one day it can change, but I am going to play the heck out of this and cross my fingers for beast and puppet master!

My only complaint is the level cap, but I do understand why it exists.

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The key part there is 'like all the other jobs'... shoved into a DPS / Tank / Healer box 'like all the other jobs'... gaining abilities by leveling up (and a handful of class quests) 'like all the other jobs'... leveling up via Duty Roulette / PotD 'like all the other jobs'... having a different rotation but ultimately just being a DPS with a few extras 'like all the other jobs'... having a fixed set of abilities 'like all the other jobs'... end-game progression that relies solely on gear 'like all the other jobs'... being included / excluded from 'meta' based on 1-2 'unique' abilities but otherwise only on how much DPS they are capable of 'like all the other jobs'...

I can understand that you may just want to do the regular old duty / raid grind as a job called 'Blue Mage', but do you really understand what it is you are asking for when you say you want Blue Mage to be 'like all the other jobs' in FFXIV?

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Yes. I very clearly understand what I'm asking for; a playable class that isn't a waste of time. Just like all the others. A giant fluff system for BLU doesn't mean jack if it's unusable in the rest of the game. Full stop.

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What you're arguing is that it is impossible to create a job in FFXIV without locking it into those restrictions, which isn't true. Those restrictions are self imposed by the developers and they can be lifted any time they please. You can have a job that is both unique in its execution, while still having a place in end game and group content "like all the other jobs".

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Yes, they are self-imposed, and I'm all for those restrictions being broken down, but at the same time I recognise that they can't just upend the entire game overnight. Which is why they have chosen to implement Blue Mage in the way that they have.

Honestly it's a good compromise, and although doubtful perfect (I'll give my feedback once I've actually played it), it does have a lot of potential going forward, and if it proves successful enough (and the community is mature and responsible enough to handle it), who knows, maybe someday they do allow 'non-standard' jobs in to Duty Roulette / current tier Raids*.

That's not what the 'delete Limited Jobs' crowd wants though, they want their 'Blue Mage' (and all future jobs) Raid ready on day 1 'like all the other jobs', and in the current structure of FFXIV that does mean designing it 'like all the other jobs'. This is not XI (where players are used to un-balanced, niche, or outright 'useless' jobs), they can't just throw a non-standard job out there and expect anything but chaos.

Take RDM for example, a job that should be roughly 50/50 damage / healing and support, but instead it's 93% damage (due to the strict structure of XIV), and even at that ratio is considered 'mandatory' (by some) for raid progression based on 1-2 (less than 8%) of its abilities, but gets thrown out on its ear as soon as progression is over due to 'not enough DPS' (for some)... do you really expect Blue Mage (by which I mean a true jack-of-all-trades Blue Mage) to fare any better?

And yes, there are also duties, but Blue Mage isn’t excluded from duties, only auto matched duties, which you could argue is too limiting, but this is an entirely new type of job for FFXIV, and when you consider that a disturbing number of players can’t even handle the likes of low-level BLM properly can you really blame them for being cautious?

*We don't actually know if Blue Mage will forever be excluded from current tier content (which is an understandable concern), only that Blue Mage starts limited to level 50 and will have its level cap increased independent of the normal level cap, the rest is speculation based on (an admittedly bad) example of balance concerns from Yoshi P.

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Yes. I very clearly understand what I'm asking for; a playable class that isn't a waste of time. Just like all the others. A giant fluff system for BLU doesn't mean jack if it's unusable in the rest of the game. Full stop.

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Good news then, there are already 15 jobs in the game for you, and more coming in 5.0, please look forward to it.

NB. That is partially sarcastic by the way, but I do feel that complaining that Blue Mage (and its content) is a waste of time because you don’t like it (and don’t see the potential) is like complaining that Savage / Ultimate is a waste of time, or that crafting and gathering is a waste of time, or that Gold Saucer is a waste of time, or even that Eureka, as bad as I personally think it is, is a total waste of time (as opposed to something that could be improved).

Why does the "gotta catch them all" aspect and "viable endgame job" have to be mutually exclusive? They 100% could've made a normal BLU job, according to the XIV job parameters. Then ADDED more content to the job. Do you want your spells to look different? Apply Blue Magic glamours! Go out in the world and "learn" new skills to change how your spells look. If that wouldn't work, why not just have the 49 extra skills available to learn and use in synced/irrelevant content/open world and in the BLU carnival???? The fact that we have to get this half-baked "job" is ridiculous.

This could open up possibilities for other jobs! BLU would have this system, BRD already has performance, expand on Egi glamours, change NIN jutsus, etc..

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But we aren't getting BLU like the other jobs, so I don't care about the two new jobs.

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Pretty much. Blue Mage is my favorite job in the series by a long shot. A pretty big part of my playing this long was to hopefully be able to engage in FFXIV with my peers as one someday.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Thats what the other jobs are for. We're still getting two new jobs in the expansion. This is something extra.
Do you hate crafter/gatherers for taking part in "useless side content"?

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Gatherers and crafters help you make money and support yourself.
DoM/DoW classes have a purpose in any form of content and are not restricted.
BLU is restricted and is only partially playable and doesn't interact like a normal class would revolving around RNG and can't even level to do the new xpac.

It's not hard to see why BLU is a side attraction like Gold Saucer that doesn't engage in any other content besides the limited content it can do so why can't I play it like any other class? That makes it pretty useless.

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Good news then, there are already 15 jobs in the game for you, and more coming in 5.0, please look forward to it.

NB. That is partially sarcastic by the way, but I do feel that complaining that Blue Mage (and its content) is a waste of time because you don’t like it (and don’t see the potential) is like complaining that Savage / Ultimate is a waste of time, or that crafting and gathering is a waste of time, or that Gold Saucer is a waste of time, or even that Eureka, as bad as I personally think it is, is a total waste of time (as opposed to something that could be improved).

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Hey guess what? None of those 15 jobs are BLU so your point is irrelevant.

The only power I have as a customer is complaining and not paying. I am going to fully utilize that first power until the last power is the only thing I have left. It's not a waste of time because there's always a chance complaints will be heard and the job will be adjusted. You can keep trying to snuff out my complaints but I promise you that I will outlast you.

We're thinking INSIDE the box though, people. Think OUTSIDE. Beyond what we have.

Not all content has been announced. While BLU can't participate in Raids and all that jazz, there's like to be content that it can that involves battle content. Or more like, there could be content developed with multiple Limited jobs in mind. A constant complaint is Raids and such get old after a while. Growth and inspiration happen through restriction. Many feel Nobuo Uematsu's greatest work is FFVI, which he credits to having to work within the confines of SNES limitations. So you can't balance BLU to work in raids and PVP. Fine. The Dev team very likely has some content (besides Eureka) where Blue Mage and such do work nicely together with other jobs.

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Hey guess what? None of those 15 jobs are BLU so your point is irrelevant.

The only power I have as a customer is complaining and not paying. I am going to fully utilize that first power until the last power is the only thing I have left. It's not a waste of time because there's always a chance complaints will be heard and the job will be adjusted. You can keep trying to snuff out my complaints but I promise you that I will outlast you.

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If being able to dress up and play as a job called 'Blue Mage' in current-tier content on day-1 means that much to you then fair enough... I just find it more than a bit disturbing that we finally get something genuinely new, finally get a job that breaks the mould and stays true to its identity, and can participate in some new and interesting sounding content to boot, and the general reaction is 'delete it, I'd rather be able to do the same old duty / raid grind for the 16th time, only this time wearing a blue cape and casting abilities called bad breath / white wind / etc.'

I am way on board the new blu conceptually. Haters vacate.

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Originally Posted by omgitslos

Why does the "gotta catch them all" aspect and "viable endgame job" have to be mutually exclusive? They 100% could've made a normal BLU job, according to the XIV job parameters. Then ADDED more content to the job. Do you want your spells to look different? Apply Blue Magic glamours! Go out in the world and "learn" new skills to change how your spells look. If that wouldn't work, why not just have the 49 extra skills available to learn and use in synced/irrelevant content/open world and in the BLU carnival???? The fact that we have to get this half-baked "job" is ridiculous.

This could open up possibilities for other jobs! BLU would have this system, BRD already has performance, expand on Egi glamours, change NIN jutsus, etc..

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Mostly because dev time is limited. To be honest, if I had my druthers there wouldn't be any new jobs and they would devote their time and energy to making more engaging content for the jobs already in this game. I am already mega salty about the nonstop kvetching from smn's about their dumbass egi's and I would be even more salty at a new job getting all this cool solo content over a job I actually wanted to play if they were just like every other job. Blu being this weird side off-shoot thing alleviates that class envy, for lack of a better phrase.

Like, 3 new jobs, or 2 and a half depending on how you feel about blu, is a bold maneuver considering what a farce certain sb job changes currently are (looking directly at you, sch, nin, pld, mnk, drk, mch).

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Originally Posted by Acidblood

If being able to dress up and play as a job called 'Blue Mage' in current-tier content on day-1 means that much to you then fair enough... I just find it more than a bit disturbing that we finally get something genuinely new, finally get a job that breaks the mould and stays true to its identity, and can participate in some new and interesting sounding content to boot, and the general reaction is 'delete it, I'd rather be able to do the same old duty / raid grind for the 16th time, only this time wearing a blue cape and casting abilities called bad breath / white wind / etc.'

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New is not always good. And this isn't good. 5 year old content isn't interesting, but guess what? If you want to do that so much, go stomp on it with your level 70 classes and don't ruin BLU in the process.

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Originally Posted by Acidblood

Yes, they are self-imposed, and I'm all for those restrictions being broken down, but at the same time I recognise that they can't just upend the entire game overnight. Which is why they have chosen to implement Blue Mage in the way that they have.

Honestly it's a good compromise, and although doubtful perfect (I'll give my feedback once I've actually played it), it does have a lot of potential going forward, and if it proves successful enough (and the community is mature and responsible enough to handle it), who knows, maybe someday they do allow 'non-standard' jobs in to Duty Roulette / current tier Raids*.

That's not what the 'delete Limited Jobs' crowd wants though, they want their 'Blue Mage' (and all future jobs) Raid ready on day 1 'like all the other jobs'...they can't just throw a non-standard job out there and expect anything but chaos.

And yes, there are also duties, but Blue Mage isn’t excluded from duties, only auto matched duties, which you could argue is too limiting, but this is an entirely new type of job for FFXIV, and when you consider that a disturbing number of players can’t even handle the likes of low-level BLM properly can you really blame them for being cautious?

*We don't actually know if Blue Mage will forever be excluded from current tier content (which is an understandable concern), only that Blue Mage starts limited to level 50 and will have its level cap increased independent of the normal level cap, the rest is speculation based on (an admittedly bad) example of balance concerns from Yoshi P.

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It sounds to me like you're holding onto a hope that Blue Mage is in a live beta and will slowly become a fully fledged job over time. However that isn't how Square has presented the job. In their official statements they've described it as "Not suited for parties" "Designed for Solo Play" and unable to enter content such as PvP, any matchmaking, any roulette, or even deep dungeon and they gave no indication any of that will ever change.

If Blue Mage was simply in beta, with the intent of being slowly integrated into the pantheon of jobs available and we were told as much then I don't think there would be a "delete limited jobs" crowd at all. We'd all be for it. A beta period is worth having fascinating jobs in the game, but that isn't what this is. What this is, is one of our favorite jobs being added to the game as something that both is and isn't a job in the game, half a job with no use in most of the regular content that we enjoy in this game, with absolutely no hope for anything otherwise being offered by the developers.

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Originally Posted by Valdegarde

Pretty much. Blue Mage is my favorite job in the series by a long shot.

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Then you should be happy that they made it stay true to itself rather than having a dumbed down version with the vast majority of its iconic skills being stripped of everything that makes them fun (such as crowd control, status effects, level based skills, random silly stuff, elemental weakness system, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Awful

Gatherers and crafters help you make money and support yourself.
DoM/DoW classes have a purpose in any form of content and are not restricted.
BLU is restricted and is only partially playable and doesn't interact like a normal class would revolving around RNG and can't even level to do the new xpac.

It's not hard to see why BLU is a side attraction like Gold Saucer that doesn't engage in any other content besides the limited content it can do so why can't I play it like any other class? That makes it pretty useless.

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Fisher cannot participate in the kind of gathering the other classes do. It also has a gameplay of its own, as well as content of its own.
BLU is to battle jobs what FSH is to gathering classes. Yet, nobody thinks that's a problem.

Besides, you should be careful about calling side-content "useless". Especially when playing a theme park MMO that is absolutly filled with that kind of content.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

New is not always good. And this isn't good. 5 year old content isn't interesting, but guess what? If you want to do that so much, go stomp on it with your level 70 classes and don't ruin BLU in the process.

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Funny to speak about "ruinning BLU" when you are the one who want a job which has very little in common with that iconic class. You'd prefer it to be butchered and shoehorned into that mould to the point that it'd be an insult to its identity rather than having it stay true to itself but not being able to run your Expert roulette with.
Also, I love how you deliberatly ignored the actual new content coming up specifically and exclusively for it by implying that it'd only do "5 year old content". You are in such denial and hate that even a single positive aspect is too hard for you to recognize. Impressive.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Then you should be happy that they made it stay true to itself rather than having a dumbed down version with the vast majority of its iconic skills being stripped of everything that makes them fun (such as crowd control, status effects, level based skills, random silly stuff, elemental weakness system, etc.).

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Don't you dare tell me what makes Blue Mage fun for me. This is not it. Never once did I take joy in finally learning Grand Delta as Strago to just kick everyone from the party and go repeatedly use it on level 8 things for giggles. On the flip side I never cared that Degenerator or Bad Breath didn't work on Ultimecia, because I finally earned Shockwave Pulsar and could use that.

Stay true to itself? You're kidding me. This is as far as it gets. You might have your own opinion of Blue Mages, but I have mine too. And mine isn't satisfied with a ghost of a functional job just for the sake of preserving perceived novelty aspects.

Go back and play FFV and use Roulette over and over just to amuse yourself, I'd rather actually have a job capable of using Grand Delta, Nova, Cry in the Night, Aqualung, etc. in important fights alongside the rest of the party. Did you know Aqualung was non-elemental in FFV? I don't think hitting elemental weaknesses is as integral to Blue Mage as you think it is.