We covered hopes for 5.0, but what are your fears?

I'm afraid they're just going to follow the same cycle without introducing any engaging new content.

Heck, they don't even need to have entirely new content and could just build on what already exists with things like more dungeon difficulties. even tougher hunts then S ranks, etc.

I fear that we instead of better and more dungeons will get 1 dungeon per patch without any improvements to the formula, have to make less dungeons so resources can be used for something else.
I fear that the savage raids will become even easier, got to listen to those that want to be able to pug it all week 1 you know.
I fear that the next version of PotD will just like HoH only bring minimal changes, no change to the templates of the rooms.
I fear that we will see them do less trials, 1 every other patch so they can move those resources to work on something "new".
I fear that they have not learned anything from Eureka, that they will make the same sort of content again, and when players do not want to do it they will throw in a bunch of rewards like hairstyles, housing, glam, gil, mounts, pets, emotes. When in reality the relic itself should be enough of a rewards, that the content itself should be good enough to draw players to do it without a warehouse filled with carrots.

I fear the same thing every expansion, and it's that changes are so drastic that it rips the fun and enjoyment right out of the game for me. An example of a change of similar magnitude is putting the relics inside Eureka. I really enjoyed obtaining my relics in ARR and HW, and I still do these quests with new jobs I level. But since they put these things inside content I have no interest in, there goes the enjoyment of obtaining relics in 4.0.

This was basically my own endgame for expansions as far as PvE goes, and that's gone now in 4.0 for me. I don't even need to try it. When I heard it was basically a rehash of FFXIs old school leveling grind, I immediately wanted no part of it. I can't believe someone actually signed off on that being a good idea to bring into FFXIV. But players kept asking for concepts from XI to be brought into XIV. Echoes of a more dangerous world, and do relics differently was all too rampant around here in 3.0.

I'd be careful about the desire for longer lasting gear, and changing the style of progression. With SEs track record, they will over complicate it and spend the entirety of the expansion making adjustments to it.

It things like this that I fear.

I do not want to derail this thread because there is a lot of good thoughts come from ppl. But I just want to take a moment to say...

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Originally Posted by Gemina

But players kept asking for concepts from XI to be brought into XIV..

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I wish ppl would stop blaming XI for Eureka. Yes ppl wanted concepts from XI to be brought in, there were many many good concepts, content and designs from XI they could have used. But it was the dev teams decision to bring in the worst of the worst parts of XI, things they even got rid of and no longer exist in today's FFXI because the XI team knew they were bad. But XI was not Eureka and Eureka is not XI, anyone who bothered playing XI for any length of time could tell you that. All statements like this do is tell those of us who played and still play FFXI that you never played it for the long term but heard things you want to rehash on the forums because you have no other argument or are looking for someone other than the development team to blame.

If they actually brought the good concepts from XI into XIV in 5.0 it would breath some much needed life into this game. So please stop using FFXI as a scapegoat for poor development decisions.


/endrant


/carryon

TLDR; I fear that 5.X will be little more than a re-skin of 4.X, rolling out the same content (dungeons, raids, PotD, maps, hunts, etc.) for a new level cap with no significant improvements or additions to core features.

I fear that the 'keystone' content of 5.X will simply be Eureka v2, with the relic once again locked behind content designed to be a mindless and redundant grind (all in the name of 'keeping players busy').
I fear that more and more RNG based systems will be introduce in an attempt to keep players on a less and less rewarding treadmill.
I fear that content will be made 'easier' (read: nerfed numbers) in the name of accessibility without addressing any other issues the content design may have (such as being 100% predictable and repetitive = boring).
I fear that classes/jobs (see: WHM, DRK, MCH) and systems (see: cross-role) will be poorly designed and once again ignored for an entire expansion (or longer).
I fear that existing side-systems that could be so much more (e.g. Triple Triad; making ALL cards useful) will continue to be ignored.
I fear that Blitzball will be implemented, and like LoV, be overly complex and add nothing to the main game.
I fear that content will continue to be designed in a way that makes it redundant beyond the current patch, leaving FFXIV with no more (and possibly less) 'relevant' content than it has had for the past several years.

I fear that any / all of the above will lead to players leaving the game and that SE's response (to keep revenue up) will be to add more and more items (and additional services) to the cash shop.

I hope I am wrong.

My biggest fear is that they will keep adding content that does not interact with the rest of the game and use strong arm tactics to get us into it. They have done this with almost every new idea they have had. We should want to do the new thing not dread going to get one or two items from it and never revisit it.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I wish ppl would stop blaming XI for Eureka. Yes ppl wanted concepts from XI to be brought in, there were many many good concepts, content and designs from XI they could have used. But it was the dev teams decision to bring in the worst of the worst parts of XI, things they even got rid of and no longer exist in today's FFXI because the XI team knew they were bad.

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No, no! I'm not blaming XI for Eureka, or even the requests for XI concepts to be brought in. This is solely the FFXIV dev team's responsibility. What I am saying though ties into my last comment about being careful about asking for different progression, longer lasting gear, or pretty much anything really. Just look at mannequins for example. All we wanted was to be able to have mannequins in our homes that we can fashion with some of our glamour choices, but SE turns around and makes a totally convoluted system with it tied into the MB, available retainer space, etc. NO ONE asked for this!

But I played XI for 5.5 years. What my statement should tell you is I have little to no Eureka experience, which I admitted to. However, I will disagree about using XI as some kind of well to draw ideas from to bring into XIV. I would much rather see completely new ideas implemented. And I struggle to understand why this is so difficult for them when I see tons of awesome ideas I would love added to this game on these forums on a daily bases.

Like many here, I fear 5.0 will be Heavensward with a purple coat of paint. Stormblood has been an ever growing disappointment for me. While there are plenty of aspects I like, many have proven fleeting, and I find myself struggling to find more content to keep busy. I've even started progressing through Pagos, finally, but it certainly isn't a fun experience. Not nearly as terrible as when it released but it's difficult to be worse than zero. I used to alarm clock patches and eagerly await what came out. Perhaps that were because I was a newer player throughout Heavensward but I still had those moments initially during Stormblood. They just... stopped after I found most of the content lasted little more than a week. 4.1 was particularly brutal since I hadn't yet stepped food into UcoB. There simply wasn't anything to do. I keep thinking to myself "if I didn't raid..." And given my static has been far more casual this tier, that question comes up more. The game feels incredibly hollow.

Now I still have stuff I want to get caught up on, but a lot of it is one and done activities like side quests and finishing up job quests. By the time 5.0 rolls around, I'll have exhausted everything. If the formula doesn't change, I'll have even less to work with once the expansion hype dials down.

This is going to be an odd analogy but I'll liken FFXIV to WWE; stale and predictable. But this week, WWE did something unpredictable for the first time in ages. I won't spoil for those who are fans, however podcasts are lit up and everyone is giddy for the simple fact what looked like a cut and dry prediction for the upcoming PPV just got turned on its head. FFXIV needs a similar shake—something that makes me look at the patch notes and think "Holy shit! That looks awesome!"

That whole main story quests will be in Eureka.

I fear them getting rid of Eureka because of all these hateful people. That don't realize its optional content and that if they don't want to do it they don't have to. I myself love Eureka and hope it stays around for the long haul.

Hmmm, basically if 5.0 was Stormblood all over again.
No innovation on casual content, "New" type of content isn't exactly new, adding new features that'll get ignored later on like the past ones, overworld is still boring and irrelevant, FATEs and Hunts are still bad, Jobs are still unbalanced and/or have questionable design choices, band-aid fixes to every problem.
Also if they dumb down the game further by streamlining already simple mechanics and the devs doing nothing to fix the gear treadmill.

I'm also concerned about the server capacity or whatever. I feel it's keeping the game from getting improvements, especially for character customization.

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I fear them getting rid of Eureka because of all these hateful people. That don't realize its optional content and that if they don't want to do it they don't have to. I myself love Eureka and hope it stays around for the long haul.

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If there were other things to do, and Eureka didn't have the relic tied to it, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The issue people have isn't necessarily Eureka but the fact this "optional content" took the primary focus away from virtually everything else. If you don't like Eureka, what else is there to do? Nothing. The game simply doesn't have enough content to stretch out across a four month span without counting Eureka. Therefore, our options become "do Eureka or play a different game entirely." Not a good design philosophy. The other factor is how the relic has been locked behind it. They took something away from people and told them "do this optional content if you want that pretty relic we've normally let you do regular content to complete it."

How would non-raiders feel if they locked a relic step behind Savage or Ultimate? "Don't like it, well, it's optional!" I sincerely doubt the same Eureka defenders would appreciate that statement. Welcome to how many people who dislike Eureka feel.

Eureka is the most pleasant relic to do so far imo.

Screw farming FATEs in the open world and running O1S 50 times farming light.

I have a different sort of fear - that the story will take our characters in a direction that I don't like.

I didn't like a lot of what Stormblood had us do. Starting a war, however just and however forced our hand was in it (because the writers still put us in that situation in the first place). Getting ourselves into a Xaela tribal custom with the specific aim of becoming their ruler and recruiting them into a war that doesn't concern them.

A particular example that sticks in my mind was the dialogue 'choices' given when they sent us to accompany Yugiri on her solo attempt to assassinate Zenos. I felt it was a terrible idea. All I could say was "we'll do it together" or "I'm coming with you". No chance to portray my character as sharing my doubts about it. An option to say "I don't like this plan, which is why I'm not letting you go alone" would have made a lot of difference.

I much preferred Heavensward where we were trying to stop a war, rather than start one.

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I'm also a bit worried that their avoidance of integrating "optional" storylines back into the MSQ will mean that the really-quite-critical Warring Triad plotline won't be recognised as having happened, when it should be relevant for a few reasons (ie. Unukalhai and Regula). Perhaps this is more of a 4.5 fear than a 5.0 fear, but it's probably relevant to both.

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I wonder about world design as well. Hopefully there'll still be an interesting variety of locations to visit, and not too much of the "Garlean metal" or Allagan architecture.

Thavnair should be a contrast at least, assuming we go there.

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And a minor one, but glamour. I'm not so keen on the Garlean costume designs we've seen so far (eg. Ironworks). Hopefully we still get a good variety of new costumes in other styles as well.

(There's that nice steampunk design from the gear design contest, at least. Could work for some sort of "old Garlean" style?)

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

Eureka is the most pleasant relic to do so far imo.

Screw farming FATEs in the open world and running O1S 50 times farming light.

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Instead farm fates for weeks with a most obnoxious level and party system in a monster spammed (sorry, some prefer calling it "dangerous") separate instance that has about no tie to any other content presently available, mostly not even to your social list.

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I fear them getting rid of Eureka because of all these hateful people. That don't realize its optional content and that if they don't want to do it they don't have to. I myself love Eureka and hope it stays around for the long haul.

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My issue with Eureka is that there is no variance to the content—it is a mindless grind and I have no choice in the way I want to go about it.

With previous Relics, you always had a choice of how you wanted to go about completing the steps (with very few exceptions). Need to get Unidentifiable items for the Anima step? You could do Hunts (for Allied Seals), run dungeons (for Tomes), do Beast Tribes (for Tokens), or even do Gordias Normal modes (for Precision Pieces). Need to farm light? You could do the fast way (A9S or A1S farms during a Stalwart window), or a “slower” way (I personally farmed all my light for my HW BRD Relic by farming Ex primals for the mounts, but dungeons, 24-mans, 8-mans, even FATEs were all options with varying levels of Light obtained from each).

Previous Relic steps also kept the older content alive—some people didn’t want to farm A9S or A1S for light, so they would do other content. Some people didn’t want to do Hunts for the Unidentifiable items and instead farmed dungeons for Tomestones. The fact that the Relic is locked in Eureka shows in that a lot of older content is suffering from it.

So they can keep Eureka—they can even do a smaller scale version of it in 5.0 if they want. But I don’t want them investing everything they have in it, because I feel like other aspects of the game are being ignored and it’s not better off for it. And if they throw the Relic in there (and every other desired item in a patch because one carrot is no longer enough), myself and a lot of other people are just done with it at that point. I’d rather have the unnerfed Unidentifiable step back over doing Eureka any day, and that step was the most hated of all the Anima relic steps. But at least I had a choice how I wanted to complete it, and not trapped between choosing the lesser of two evils (FATE farming versus mob chaining) in Eureka.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

Eureka is the most pleasant relic to do so far imo.

Screw farming FATEs in the open world and running O1S 50 times farming light.

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At least Light Farming during the Anima relic had other options going for it. I finished my BRD relic while farming for the Sephirot and Thordan birds. Much better way to spend my time compared to mindlessly FATE farming or mob chaining in Eureka. A1S wasn’t the only option for light.

As stated above, there is no option—no variance—in Eureka. It’s boring; I would much rather have multiple options for doing a relic, so that I can mix it up when I get bored with one. I don’t feel like spamming A1S anymore? Well, now I can just go farm an Ex primal for a mount instead. Or I can take it slower and do daily roulettes for a few days, then jump back into something else.

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If there were other things to do, and Eureka didn't have the relic tied to it, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The issue people have isn't necessarily Eureka but the fact this "optional content" took the primary focus away from virtually everything else. If you don't like Eureka, what else is there to do? Nothing. The game simply doesn't have enough content to stretch out across a four month span without counting Eureka. Therefore, our options become "do Eureka or play a different game entirely." Not a good develop philosophy. The other factor is how the relic has been locked behind it. They took something away from people and told them "do this optional content if you want that pretty relic we've normally let you do regular content to complete it."

How would non-raiders feel if they locked a relic step behind Savage or Ultimate? "Don't like it, well, it's optional!" I sincerely doubt the same Eureka defenders would appreciate that statement. Welcome to how many people who dislike Eureka feel.

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Not other things to do? There are tons of things to. Fates, crafting, dungeons, raids, Golden Saucer, etc, etc. Relic is tied to Eureka though. You don't get Golden Saucer rares by doing raids, and you don't get raid stuff by doing fates. Everything is optional. I am sure lots of people don't do Golden Saucer, lots of people do not raid, and lots of people are not doing Eureka.

Relic used to be done in steps like low level fates and stuff and some people did not like that. Relic is meant for casual players. Maybe Eureka is not casual in the sense it takes a long time but it is easier difficulty wise versus doing ultimate. Though raiding is pretty lively here it is by no means for the casual player due to needing to have more people and the degree of difficulty in the upper tiers of difficulty. So if relic is aimed at casual then I expect casual players to be pretty pissed if it was locked behind the most difficult content in this game?

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Not other things to do? There are tons of things to. Fates, crafting, dungeons, raids, Golden Saucer, etc, etc. Relic is tied to Eureka though. You don't get Golden Saucer rares by doing raids, and you don't get raid stuff by doing fates. Everything is optional. I am sure lots of people don't do Golden Saucer, lots of people do not raid, and lots of people are not doing Eureka.

Relic used to be done in steps like low level fates and stuff and some people did not like that. Relic is meant for casual players. Maybe Eureka is not casual in the sense it takes a long time but it is easier difficulty wise versus doing ultimate. Though raiding is pretty lively here it is by no means for the casual player due to needing to have more people and the degree of difficulty in the upper tiers of difficulty. So if relic is aimed at casual then I expect casual players to be pretty pissed if it was locked behind the most difficult content in this game?

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Except the relic wasn't tied to Eureka until this expansion. That's the whole point. They took something already established and isolated it in a single piece of content. Now you're forced to partake in Eureka whereas before you had options—all of which are articulated above.

As for stuff to do. What purpose do FATEs serve now? I've had everything at 70 for several months now. And even if I didn't, the EXP gains were atrocious given a single dungeon took less time and gave significantly more. Dungeons? I have ran every single one several times now—many numbering in the hundreds. Again. What purpose do they serve? Some are fun, sure, but The Burn doesn't exactly have much lasting appealing every a dozen or so runs, especially given trash mobs do such negligible damage nowadays I'm mass pulling without tank stance. And I have no trouble whatsoever holding hate. Raids? I've done them all except UcoB. Crafters? All overmelded. The Gold Saucer doesn't offer much. And certainly not enough to cite it as long lasting "content."

Unless you play this game at a snail's pace or are a relatively new player, no, there isn't "tons of things to do."

And you mention the relic as casual yet how many people defending Eureka have said the precise opposite? Regardless, the point of referencing Savage or Ultimate wasn't their difficulties but the fact players are now being forced to partake in a niche piece of content they wouldn't otherwise. Eureka, while significantly easier than either, still falls under a "niche" label. The whole purpose of the relic has been progressing your character through a variety of daily activities. That isn't the case with Eureka.

Edit: Replace Savage or Ultimate with the Gold Saucer. A relic step forces you to grind MGP to progress with no alternative. There, now you have arguably the easier step ever in terms of actual skill requirements. Would you enjoy this or feel forced to do content you don't enjoy?

My biggest fear going into any new expansion is for the jobs that are in a good place, like AST, DRG, BRD, PLD and WAR, cause when they’re in a good place there’s nothing SE can do but make them worse. Not only will this likely happen from them trying to tack new skills onto something that’s working fine as is, but also they’ll probably nerf them to boot in an attempt to make struggling jobs like DRK and WHM more attractive.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

Screw farming FATEs in the open world and running O1S 50 times farming light.

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I farmed light as I was working on my Mentor roulettes. If I got content that would give it to me, I swapped to the relevant weapon. Also, say what you want about farming FATEs in the open world, it does the one thing that Eureka doesn't let you - do it while you're queued for something else. Eureka doesn't let you parallel your game-time. It's Eureka or bust. And at least when you were farming for light, you could run it with friends regardless of where each of you were in that stage - hell, they didn't even need to be working on their relic. Hey, you want that O1S clear? Cool, I can get light and tank mount points from that, let me bounce in. Oh you're running level 50 (at the time) roulette? Cool, lemme grab my unfinished relic. I can't join my friends in Pyros because I unlocked Pagos at all by mistake, and they have very little motivation to help me through Pagos because I'm so low level.
People complain about the relic grind when the way they've been doing it isn't mandatory for the relic.
Meanwhile in Eureka, people saw the intended way to clear Anemos, worked around it, and the devs became so frustrated they designed Pagos to counter that (and eventually backpedaled...)

This nicely brings me up to my on-topic fears for 5.0 - that the devs continue to be this detached from the playerbase and tone-deaf. I don't mind the formula that much, though it certainly doesn't work with the increasing delays in content release. I do mind the devs thinking they're being brilliant when they release things like the Greed Only change to alliance raids. That I very much mind. I probably would've minded Eureka a lot less on concept (I never worked on a relic while it was relevant) if not for things like what happened with Pagos and the anti-train design.
I fear they'll continue thinking they know better than the playerbase what the playerbase wants. Now, true, you can't please everyone, but this feels like a cook telling a patron at a restaurant to shut up and eat the nut-including salad while the patron has a deathly allergy. With all due respect to the original recipe and your reputation, good cook, if I don't want to eat it, I won't, and the alternative would not be me forcing it down my throat, it will be looking for better food - and service - elsewhere. Nowadays I already play other games more than XIV, basically waiting for hunt relays and Mentor roulette queues. If I didn't have those things to work on, I probably wouldn't have logged at all.

I fear that our gunblade job is going to be relegated to being yet another tank. Give us some proper heavily armoured sword using DPS, samurai is just so BLEH.

On a separate, non-Eureka, note, another concern I have is a continual emphasize on faceroll content. I touched on it in my post above, however I am legit doing mass dungeon pulls in Deliverance/without Grit. Not only am I leveling comfortably, I'm easily holding aggro. Even if a mob does stray for a moment or two, they do so little damage, DPS can mostly shrug it off. When I'm the DPS in this scenario, I eat AoEs plenty for uptime or pull a mob and just Bloodbath through the damage. In the case of my tanks, I have precisely one i390 piece—which I picked up today before maintenance. I shouldn't be able to do any of this, especially at the lowest new ilvl. We desperately need harder "casual" content. Mythic+ worked wonders for WoW. I sincerely hope a variant of it can be brought over because I'd like more content that isn't Savage but also isn't faceroll.

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And you mention the relic as casual yet how many people defending Eureka have said the precise opposite? Regardless, the point of referencing Savage or Ultimate wasn't their difficulties but the fact players are now being forced to partake in a niche piece of content they wouldn't otherwise. Eureka, while significantly easier than either, still falls under a "niche" label. The whole purpose of the relic has been progressing your character through a variety of daily activities. That isn't the case with Eureka.

Edit: Replace Savage or Ultimate with the Gold Saucer. A relic step forces you to grind MGP to progress with no alternative. There, now you have arguably the easier step ever in terms of actual skill requirements. Would you enjoy this or feel forced to do content you don't enjoy?

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What content is not niche beside the MSQ?
There is a very finite number of people who focus on one content and avoid all others at all costs.
It depends on what I want. I don't care about the Fenrir mount so I would not do Golden Saucer for 1 mil MGP. The purpose of relic was acquiring it via multiple activities. But now it has taken the route of FFXI dynamis, a single content to work towards that.

I would ask this. Many mmos have something you earn by doing different activities. Champion points, mastery points, merit points, etc. Maybe the casual thing would be for XIV to have a system like that but only have stat points work in veteran type contents and QOL bonuses in the standard world. A weapon makes sense for an enclosed content.

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The purpose of relic was acquiring it via multiple activities. But now it has taken the route of FFXI dynamis, a single content to work towards that.

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And the complaint some of us have in this thread is your latter statement. I don’t think this “FFXI dynamis” has worked for the Relic content.

Sure, some people enjoy Eureka, but I don’t think they’re the majority. And the developers should have never tried to confine a piece of content that used to be varied—that used to appeal to a wide range of audiences and give players a choice as to how they wanted to obtain their Relic—to a single piece of content that would only appeal to some. Honestly, the Relic is in Eureka because the developers knew it wouldn’t attract a large audience outside of Day 1 curiosity, and they couldn’t have that for a piece of content that was marketed as a main attraction for this expansion.

I would have this same argument if the Relic was locked behind any other, singular content. Even content I love. And I sincerely hope they go back to how the Relic used to be. Because I don’t enjoy mindless FATE farming or mindless mob chaining for a Relic, and that’s all Eureka is. And I won’t stick around for another 2 years of content that had failed not once, not twice, but five times, and that the developers insist on shoving down our throats.

I have a list... yes, indeed.

However, it will take time to write them out in a manner that is truly justifiable... but the very first one on my list will be that name "Shadowbringers".

I mean, until it is confirmed whether this is indeed the title for 5.0, I have this reoccuring hope that the meaning will be something truly exciting.

I won't repeat everything that others have already said, but here are some other little things:

Dancer as healer (yes, I know, I'm the only one who doesn't want Dancer, especially not as healer).

No increase to housing item slots and no change to the interactable item limit of 40.

No improvements to the Glamour Dresser / the glamour system itself.

If Eureka would be optional sidecontent then the Dev Team wouldnt bring out 3 different, soon 4 different maps out every other patch.
I think some people mistake what sidecontent really is. Sidecontent is Heaven on High, beast tribes or even the ultimates.
They wanted to add Eureka into the main contents, such as dungeons, primals, raids. They even tied the relic to it, to make it more engaging. Though its still not entertaining. There are still many elements missing to make Eureka fun.

i fear:

- content similar to eureka
- they mess up with samurai in the same way they ruined monk in SB
- they keep making the game easier and easier because most of their playerbase is casual
- they keep putting stuff on the mogstation and less in the game

Ok, they tried something with Eureka. It most likely failed due to resources imbalance, gameplay poverty once you get a grasp of mechanics, and locking relic. They made a mistake, they are trying to address it as Eureka unfolds, Pyros is kind of catchy, and we have one installment coming too. I doubt it will bring major appraisal, but we'll see.

It's alright, they actually tried to do something. Comparing to diadem is a bit idle IMO, they tried things with eLvl, "team-building", map design, Logos system, but it suffers from its own clunkiness. I can only hope they will learn from that experience.

So I don't fear any Eureka 5.0 content, I fear the laziness of doing it all over again. A new deep dungeon in 5.35. A new random-ish treasure map dungeon. A new set of Primal side quests, but not for 5.3. A sense of dev exhaustion with 5.1's emptiness. Useless dungeons. Run for tomestones.
I get that it is what builds the game's balance, but I feel people tend to get the impression of running in circles at some point. The game is getting older, it should be time to keep trying new forms of content.

I fear that they'll keep listening to player feedback instead of just making a game.

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bullet hell moments

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as how the netcode of this game is... it will not be translated well into gameplay... in fact, there is already a battle what has something like that on byakko, and that bullet hell mechanic does move in a rather not fluid way

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Originally Posted by hynaku

That whole main story quests will be in Eureka.

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Oh my god! No, please no!

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Originally Posted by Phafi

I fear that they'll keep listening to player feedback instead of just making a game.

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If you want something to be successful, you listen to the feedback you are given, and you give the constructive ones consideration. You listen to the customers that are paying for you to make said game. Because without their revenue and investment, you won’t have much of one.

No new race at all, or only Viera..and maybe they somehow mess them up by making them too different from the ones that people want.

More content like Eureka with no feedback taken from their costumer.

No new healer or tank job.

Also SE introducing more cash crabs and me getting the feeling like the fanfests are more there to advertise items instead of showing content.

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I fear that they'll listen to comments like this one and make the game worse. Having gear that lasts for years is a bad idea. Why keep playing if you already have the gear?

I'd quit playing entirely until I had something more to work on.

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I'm afraid of them trying so hard to "innovate" that we end up with a BfA tier dumpster fire. Contrary to popular belief, you can try to make new things and they can all be terrible

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If they can't "innovate" the right way, then at least they could orientate to the type of content they developed in ARR. I miss puzzles (quest with riddles), dungeon designs, where you actively have to go to hidden rooms to unlock the whole map; alliance raids, where it requires actual teamwork in order to progress (such as CT:Atomos!), Unlocking Vistas via weather/time change. Epic raids such as Coils! Seasonal Events, that were actually touching in the story, with better rewards on top (mounts/minions instead of jewelry, which you probably glamour over). Whenever I do these contents, I always wonder how the game could regress to the state it is was to it is now.

And to resume with the main topic:
I don't fear anything. If Square Enix doesn't want to listen into the ideas of the player base, it is their decision on how they will proceed with the game design. The number of subs will tell if it was a right or a bad one.

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Unlocking Vistas via weather/time change.

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You just gave me another thing to fear for 5.0. Them moving away from that unholy combination was one of the best things ever. I'd much rather they gave us locations that actually forced us to explore, and more jump puzzles, than create that sort of artificial difficulty again. At least now when you can unlock flight, they're very limited in the number of vistas they can lock behind jump puzzles (but lord when they do, they go all out [looks up at Kugane tower])

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Originally Posted by Zazay

If they can't "innovate" the right way, then at least they could orientate to the type of content they developed in ARR. I miss puzzles (quest with riddles), dungeon designs, where you actively have to go to hidden rooms to unlock the whole map; alliance raids, where it requires actual teamwork in order to progress (such as CT:Atomos!), Unlocking Vistas via weather/time change. Epic raids such as Coils! Seasonal Events, that were actually touching in the story, with better rewards on top (mounts/minions instead of jewelry, which you probably glamour over). Whenever I do these contents, I always wonder how the game could regress to the state it is was to it is now.

And to resume with the main topic:
I don't fear anything. If Square Enix doesn't want to listen into the ideas of the player base, it is their decision on how they will proceed with the game design. The number of subs will tell if it was a right or a bad one.

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everything you just said is entirely subjective. no one liked dungeons with hidden rooms - they just wanna get to the end super fast and be done with it. it's why they took that kind of stuff out. vocal minority wants it back in, not gonna happen. ppl complain too much about CT's atomos. plus half the time they don't/can't do it properly. it's why you don't see stuff like that anymore. you say Epic raids with touching story. what makes it exactly "EPIC"? my def of epic is different than your definition of epic. do devs have time to make overly involved seasonal events? no they don't, and they're fluff. only supposed to be fluff. if we get a mount yay. about 1 a year which is reasonable imo. we've pretty much almost gotten a mount for almost every seasonal event now - starlight bear, eggsiliration system, witch's broom, etc. with plenty of minions to go around.

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I'm afraid of them trying so hard to "innovate" that we end up with a BfA tier dumpster fire. Contrary to popular belief, you can try to make new things and they can all be terrible

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Especially when that "making" mostly just involves removing well-enjoyed systems.

Lost your arm? Lucky! It's a New You.

Oh I forgot. I'd actully be not that happy if the base game content was made easier. Stormblood tried to bring a bit of challenge in MSQ (Shinryu, Tsukuyomi at their time), the Burn hits a bit harder too, and the Alphascapes are still a wipe fest 8 weeks into the patch. I kinda like "tough" gameplay, and I'd like to have them go on in that direction for the next expansion...
I don't know if it would fit the overall playbase though.

They overhaul Bard again for no apparent reason despite almost everyone loving this iteration of the class.

Oh, and they waste their time with more mini-game experimental content like Lords of Verminion that nobody ever asked for. I almost see Blitzball falling into the same category, although people actually have asked for that, so I suppose I'll let that slide if it happens. But Verminion? I don't think so, and it likely contributed majorly to why early HW was pretty awful.