Originally Posted by
Selova
It personally sounds like you are having some kind of internal struggle with people's play styles honestly, correct me If I'm wrong. I mean, there isn't really anything preventing you from getting a group together If all you want out of raiding Is the feeling of downing the content and that's it, I can't say that's a successful formula once you get into savage and ultimate content but if you can manage to find a group of good players that don't bother with FFlogs that have the ability to down the content you are trying to tackle, more power to you.
That being said, most players that are progression raiders and have savage/ult kills under their belts are most likely uploading their logs and constantly trying to improve themselves and outside of the initial competition of World/Realm firsts that's how they enjoy raiding. Also, just because fflogs didn't exist in early ARR doesn't mean people weren't trying to improve their game play or kill times. The concept of playing as optimally as you possibly can has existed long before there were tools to track such data. Times change as do the players and their play styles, competition is just the nature of the beast when it comes to MMO's both in PVE and PVP. The only real solution to your problem is creating your own group where everyone enjoys tackling the content in the same way that you do. There isn't anything wrong with that, It's a game after all so enjoy it the way you see fit by finding others that feel the same.