[dev1301] Private Player Residences Discussion

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Originally Posted by Riv

Rested EXP just like SWTOR, lol.

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not like SWTOR, like WoW that is the same as SWTOR but with different characters and not like FFXIV that has unique features that is fighting against all the cheap stuff of the new MMO typo, taking only the best.

I dislike this.

To me, this is just a way to view cut-scenes and waste a few extra seconds to log off.

This should have waited until 2.0 if we can't do anything with it.

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Originally Posted by Doho

You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

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Not saying I agree with the choice to not be able to craft in one, but knowing how currently we jump through a lot of hoops to dissuade bots/rmt, I'm assuming this might be the reason.

That and hotels/inns tend to frown upon you renting out a room from them to do blacksmithing in...it's messy and loud.

And wont the inns be near the adventurers guilds. where the unused ingame inns already are?

or remember those cyber in aht urhgan,




YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BUDDY

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Originally Posted by neorei

I think this is a great idea, i hope they force people to choose the company they're in and have their housing there, cause this will repopulate limsa and grid

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hate to disagree with you but until Ver 2.0 when they can link the wards and develope a delivery system Ul'dah will remain the hub of everything. You will rest in your home city then return to Ul'dah to conduct all your buisness.

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Originally Posted by Bulwarkz

Yeah I've been a huge advocate for the new server merge update, among other things. However, this just seems... pointless. I don't even see how it's a huge improvement over Guardian's Aspect, as the inn requires you to go stand in it for a while without anything to do except... watch old cut-scenes again and I guess sit on your bed. I'm sorry but I actually think it's way too simplistic to the point of being humorous. ^_^



I can see that... Nonetheless, don't get me wrong - I AM grateful for the addition. It's just extremely bare-bones for the time being. Again, looking forward to 2.0.

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This is meant for those people who only have an hour or so of playtime, not the person who has every class maxed out.

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Originally Posted by Riv

Rested EXP just like SWTOR, lol.

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Eww, please stop mentioning this abomination of a WoW clone.

It just goes to show you how big patch 1.21 is going to be when Player Housing is probably one of the smallest things being added...

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

This is meant for those people who only have an hour or so of playtime, not the person who has every class maxed out.

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That made no sense, nor did it have any relevance to my post. Obviously the wrong "Reply With Quote" button was hit.

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Originally Posted by Luhy

I dislike this.

To me, this is just a way to view cut-scenes and waste a few extra seconds to log off.

This should have waited until 2.0 if we can't do anything with it.

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What she said, maybe another point of view might help, if you indeed thought you were replying to me? o_O

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You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

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maybe when they let you craft in there they'll have the bot police

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Originally Posted by Doho

You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

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It's very simple. Botters/RMT woud take over...

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Originally Posted by elreed

Well i see that theres a lot of concern about where your house is, If SE wants realism about wheres ur house and all is (limsa,uldah.gridania), make a teleport point idk in the market ward area so u can go to ur house wherever it is and when exiting ur house u appear in the town where you were, make a moogle do the teleport job if they want lore.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post554282

It feels a step back 20 years, even in Secret of Mana your whole party could stay in your inn room ;o

It would be nice if the Inns took on a more human/social aspect, such as friendly npc's arriving unannounced with random quest offers or other random social occasions, similar to Grandia where you dont just stay at the inn you actually sit around a dinner table conversing with npcs. Chuck in the mainstoryline companion and you'd have an interesting way of bonding with your npc (think persona social link system).

An inn by its nature is a more public place. It would have been nice to have a place to invite the whole LS for meetings, roleplay (/gasp) and such (not saying you cant do that in the open world, its just having the option...)

These kind of social aspects help deepen an MMO and have that addictive "gotta catch em all" mentality to push it along.

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

Ill never understand that forced to skip cutscenes, I will always allow linkshell members to watch cutscenes, I would hate to miss them.

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Before we start I always just announce to my party that I will not be skipping the cutscene as it is my first time. But I do wish we could re-watch those in the room also...

There was a question regarding how potent the rested bonus would fair in comparison to Guardian’s Aspect. For regional leves, we are making adjustments so it is the same amount of EXP as if you had Guardian’s Aspect active.

Also to clarify, as long as you have completed the main quest requirement for your city-state, you’ll be able to accept the inn quest for each of the city-states. By completing each of the city-state’s inn quests, it will be possible to utilize the inns in each of the city-states.

As for the EXP bonuses that are applied, there was a concern that non-Disciple of the Hand classes are missing out being able to utilize the rested XP as freely as they would like. We’re preparing the following methods, so that a player can select which to use depending on the situation:

Static EXP bonus – Utilize the rest bonus
EXP bonus on demand – Food, company engineered items, etc.
(Also note that the XP bonus from food is the same regardless of type of food consumed)

We are currently looking into other questions that have been posted in this thread, so please hang tight! :o

Thank ya kindly for ze updates! *rents an inn in every city, mwee hee hee*

edit: That Disciple of the Hand classes were missing out? Uh ohs.

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Originally Posted by Ilethius

I think it might be because of botting? Just think a private room where no one else can see you or interact, you could bot in there all day and SE would never know.

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This is a bit silly.

Just because you're in your residence, SE won't know if you're turboing the enter button? Probably not true.

-- What you actually mean to say is that regular players can't easily attempt to determine if someone is bot-crafting (as if they ever have been able to with accuracy.)
-- SE has access to each person's input stream from their client. They don't need to see someone to know what they are doing. They will just see the input stream matches a bot-like pattern and ban. This is especially true for something like all the mass-bans that used to happen periodically in FFXI.
-- How do you reason that you're somehow would be 'safe' in your residence from SE's monitoring in any way? FFXIV residences do not resemble a real-life house where you can go inside and pull the shades down. Just the opposite. Everything you do is super transparent. An example: one of the computer networks I manage, I can pull up anyone's computer screen and see what they are doing at any time - without them even knowing. I just click a button and there is their screen. Sure SE employees have hooks into just about every view of their game with complex reporting metrics and the like.

I'm sort of surprised that more than a couple people suggested that no crafting was allowed in residences because you could get away with botting. You realize that, for instance, unless you are browsing the internet on an SSL encrypted site (and even then its not completely secure) that your service provider (including cell phone provider) is logging every site you are going to and every keypress you are making on the internet? They keep this data for months and years!

Just because no in-game players can 'see' you doesn't mean SE can't. They can. Privacy is dead - especially in MMORPGs, where it was never there to begin with.

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Regarding the update... let me get this straight, the only use for residences is to

1) view cutscenes

2) amass a resting bonus

Seems like a waste of an update.

I'm actually pretty upset to see that you can't craft and stuff in your room, too. However, there could be a few reasons for this that don't have to do with botting. Which, by the way, would not change anything and people who bot will still do so. With private rooms or without.

This other reason might be that they want crafting classes to be in their respected guilds... which actually makes a lot of sense. Other players who need help from a crafting class are not going to get through to them if they are in their rooms.

Kinda feels pointless not being allowed to do crafting and related actions in the inn, I really wanted a private area to do that quietly without being bothered with other player's sound effects and people running over and blocking my view of the crafting orb...Or facing the public embarrassment of a lot of failures in a row. ^^; I doubt it has anything to do with bot crafters, as they are all out in the open on the streets in plain view as it is now on my server.

But I do miss quietly crafting in my mog house room in XI, well hopefully for 2.0 player housing Yoshi has something interesting up his sleeve.

I have a few questions maybe someone can clarify.
-Will the rested xp bonus automatically apply itself to the first class played that is able to level? Or will there be some sort of way for the player to execute it (such as a button in the micro menu)?
-What exactly is the recharge rate and what will the cap be? IE: X hours logged off = Y bonus xp up to Z amount maximum.
-Will you be able to stack the exp bonus from scrolls and food with the rested bonus?
-Will there be inns or equivalents in other places besides the city-states such as hamlets or outposts?

@Altanas that kind of stuff will be around with the player-owned residences since they are not instanced according to interviews and such in the past. That type of stuff probably isn't possible at all with the current game and they're working within their limits.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

@Altanas that kind of stuff will be around with the player-owned residences since they are not instanced according to interviews and such in the past. That type of stuff probably isn't possible at all with the current game and they're working within their limits.

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First off, personal housing will be instanced. The neighborhood will have to be instanced. There is noting to suggest that they are not --sure, but if they are not, they have got to be the dumbest developers in the galaxy. Also, you can craft in ANY instanced area in the game. They actually written in deliberately that you cannot craft inside your residence. For what official reason? We don't know.

I am on the fence about it. I'd love to be able to craft inside my residence, but then again I see the points in not allowing it at the moment.

Anyway, there is no reason on the technical side why it's being blocked.

I was really looking forward to player residences, but this seems just like
some temporary & pointless thing to add at the moment.

I kinda imagined it to be somewhat more advanced version of FFXI's mooghouse,
and who knows...some day in 2.0 it might be.

I just dont see the point in adding this feature as it seems right now.

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

I was really looking forward to player residences, but this seems just like
some temporary & pointless thing to add at the moment.

I kinda imagined it to be somewhat more advanced version of FFXI's mooghouse,
and who knows...some day in 2.0 it might be.

I just dont see the point in adding this feature as it seems right now.

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But us crafters appreciate it. :3

I guess my thought is why waste time and effort to make these inn rooms for us when they could make a more permanent house. WE have waited this long for something like this.. I can;t wait a little longer. I'd rather see a Mail system up and running to tell you the truth.

I do like the fact that there will be rested XP gain though!!!!

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Originally Posted by Ramis

I guess my thought is why waste time and effort to make these inn rooms for us when they could make a more permanent house. WE have waited this long for something like this.. I can;t wait a little longer. I'd rather see a Mail system up and running to tell you the truth.

I do like the fact that there will be rested XP gain though!!!!

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Because they have big plans for private housing and it probably can't be implemented without considerably dedicated effort.

I want a big storage box into any private room.

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Originally Posted by Answa

But us crafters appreciate it. :3

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We might, id appreciate it more if i could craft furnitures,
general housing stuff & sell on AH / Wards...atleast in the future
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Thats one of the biggest things & what made FFXI unique etc,
and hopefully FFXIV wont be less than that.

But ya, i'd like to sit in my house crafting too, invite friends and
show off my crafted furnitures, setup, my huge King size bed etc. :D

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

We might, id appreciate it more if i could craft furnitures, general housing stuff & sell on AH / Wards...atleast in the future.
Thats one of the biggest things & what made FFXI unique etc, and hopefulyl FFXIV wont be less than that.

But ya, i'd like to sit in my house crafting too, invite friends & show off my crafted furnitures, setup, my huge King size bed etc. :D

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If they live up to their promises, we'll be able to do much more than that. :)

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Originally Posted by Answa

If they live up to their promises, we'll be able to do much more than that. :)

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What? you mean like a HD Ready LED TV for my Mooghouse with a
Bluray-copy of "Where's my Tonnberries in FFXIV? - Season 1" type of thing?

....j/k...lol ofc they will.

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

What? you mean like a HD Ready LED TV for my Mooghouse with a
Bluray-copy of "Where's my Tonnberries in FFXIV? - Season 1" type of thing?

....j/k...lol ofc they will.

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Arrested Magitek Development

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

I was really looking forward to player residences, but this seems just like
some temporary & pointless thing to add at the moment.

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Player residences are not part of 1.21. With 1.21, we get inns, not residences

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Originally Posted by Felis

Player residences are not part of 1.21. With 1.21, we get inns, not residences

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Private Player Residences Discussion is the title of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Luhy

I dislike this.

To me, this is just a way to view cut-scenes and waste a few extra seconds to log off.

This should have waited until 2.0 if we can't do anything with it.

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You dislike this? What DO you like?

The inns were made from incomplete content from the previous team, and they are freely useable. The residences we will get in the future require work to obtain and will have many more features. in the mean time, It's been a long time since you could stay at an inn in any final fantasy game.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Player residences are not part of 1.21. With 1.21, we get inns, not residences

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A residence is just where you live. It is not necessarily privately owned property. We now reside at the Inn, rather then on the street corner by Bric-a-Brac.

We are getting a Player Residence in 1.21. We will get an alternative type of Player Residence in 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The residences we will get in the future require work to obtain and will have many more features. in the mean time, It's been a long time since you could stay at an inn in any final fantasy game.

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Right! As interim content this should be easy and offer less value. That's the point, offer an easy entry mode to a place to stay, then as you work for it you get the good stuff.

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Originally Posted by Felis

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post554282

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Well i wasnt talking about inns, i was talking about house

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Originally Posted by Kio

Kinda feels pointless not being allowed to do crafting and related actions in the inn,

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I don't want this ;_; The community is small already. with all crafters gone in their houses the world will be so lonely

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Originally Posted by Pancakes

I don't want this ;_; The community is small already. with all crafters gone in their houses the world will be so lonely

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I really dislike the idea of all the cities being empty because we are all in our own rooms...

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Originally Posted by Arcell

However when you go to a restaurant for a steak, you ask for the steak and pay for it. In the case of FFXIV you're paying a fee to access the game, not to be entitled to whatever features you see fit. I swear this is one of the many reasons I hate this community so much.

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U suck big time

We were able to get a few more questions answered about the upcoming inns!

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Will there be different layouts in different cities? Will players be able to choose specific layouts that they prefer?

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There will be decorated layouts that are designed specifically for each city-state's inn, but players won't be able choose Gridania's decorations while residing in Ul'dah's inn for example. Each layout will only be available within the city-state that they are from.

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Will players be able to interact with furniture? (Beds, chairs, etc.)

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Yup! The proof is in the banner too! You'll be able to sit down on the bed if you feel like relaxing.

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Will there be a retainer bell inside and will we be able to invite other players into our inn?

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Retainers and other players won't be able to enter the inns.