[dev1301] Private Player Residences Discussion

[Mihana]

I'm glad there's a bit more information on this, but a couple things I'm wondering:

* Will be be able to have a room in each of the city-states or only in our starting city-state? I'm taking it as our starting city-state seeing how the quests required for completion are the main storyline quests before heading to Ul'dah.

* In the future might we be able to choose from a preset choices of layouts? While I know we can't customize it being able to decide from a couple different layouts that differ a little might give us at least a bit of customization.

* Can you interact with furniture? Sit on stools, or the bed? I'm aware in some of the main storyline quests where beds were available in a certain given area you could sit down upon them.

* Will a retainer bell be available in your private room for calling up your retainer?

* Can others visit your room via party invite? Meaning if I team up with a couple other players can we all relax in my room and just hang out.

I'm pretty eager to see what's in store for the private rooms and glad they're finally coming at last.

[Doho]

You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

[Mihana]

Yeah the fact you can't craft in this area almost doesn't make any sense, unless you accumulate a rested EXP bonus just by being in the room. If that's the case then it probably does make sense not to allow crafting as you could easily sit there and get an endless EXP bonus. They intend it to be something you get for using these rooms, not really for spending all your time crafting in there. Also I figure it might even decrease the rate of interaction between players if that were the case. Less people sitting in an area crafting, more hiding in their private rooms for the EXP bonus.

[Dhalmel]

You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

Isn't it obvious?

Too easy to get away with AFK bot crafting if you were allowed to craft in your private housing.

[Colino]

Isn't it obvious?

Too easy to get away with AFK bot crafting if you were allowed to craft in your private housing.

Actually I think it's to avoid that you get infinite bonus exp by regenerating it while you're using it...

[Meatdawg]

Isn't it obvious?

Too easy to get away with AFK bot crafting if you were allowed to craft in your private housing.

Yep, pretty sure that's why they wont allow it.

[Ilethius]

You can't..... craft in there? w-why??

I think it might be because of botting? Just think a private room where no one else can see you or interact, you could bot in there all day and SE would never know.

[Antanias]

I think it might be because of botting? Just think a private room where no one else can see you or interact, you could bot in there all day and SE would never know.

The peeping toms could still see you. Better plug up any holes in the wall when you first arrive xD

[Quesse]

I think it might be because of botting? Just think a private room where no one else can see you or interact, you could bot in there all day and SE would never know.

This is a bit silly.

Just because you're in your residence, SE won't know if you're turboing the enter button? Probably not true.

-- What you actually mean to say is that regular players can't easily attempt to determine if someone is bot-crafting (as if they ever have been able to with accuracy.)
-- SE has access to each person's input stream from their client. They don't need to see someone to know what they are doing. They will just see the input stream matches a bot-like pattern and ban. This is especially true for something like all the mass-bans that used to happen periodically in FFXI.
-- How do you reason that you're somehow would be 'safe' in your residence from SE's monitoring in any way? FFXIV residences do not resemble a real-life house where you can go inside and pull the shades down. Just the opposite. Everything you do is super transparent. An example: one of the computer networks I manage, I can pull up anyone's computer screen and see what they are doing at any time - without them even knowing. I just click a button and there is their screen. Sure SE employees have hooks into just about every view of their game with complex reporting metrics and the like.

I'm sort of surprised that more than a couple people suggested that no crafting was allowed in residences because you could get away with botting. You realize that, for instance, unless you are browsing the internet on an SSL encrypted site (and even then its not completely secure) that your service provider (including cell phone provider) is logging every site you are going to and every keypress you are making on the internet? They keep this data for months and years!

Just because no in-game players can 'see' you doesn't mean SE can't. They can. Privacy is dead - especially in MMORPGs, where it was never there to begin with.

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Regarding the update... let me get this straight, the only use for residences is to

1) view cutscenes

2) amass a resting bonus

Seems like a waste of an update.

[tekka]

This is a bit silly.
An example: one of the computer networks I manage, I can pull up anyone's computer screen and see what they are doing at any time - without them even knowing. I just click a button and there is their screen.

Guess your company doesn't have any privacy policies >.>