Reassessing the Merger of FFXIV Worlds (02/13/2012)

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

if you were in favor of the original plan, you obviously have no friends in this game.

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Or we just planned on communicating with them to see where we'd be going. For wanting to keep the community together so much, you sure didn't want to talk to them about it.

But whatever, the old way and the new way both resulted in me playing with my FFXI LS, so I don't care either way. This is neither a loss nor a victory, it's a way to keep playing a game I like with people I like.

Apparently I have no friends because I didnt QQ over the original post? I admit I like 2 a hell of a lot more but that's very childish to assume anyone okay with devs choices is a loaner who doesn't like anybody.

Original plan was fine, new one will be fine too. (further) Delay is not fine.

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Apparently I have no friends because I didnt QQ over the original post? I admit I like 2 a hell of a lot more but that's very childish to assume anyone okay with devs choices is a loaner who doesn't like anybody.

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Someone posting online accusing others of not having friends because of a lack of a real argument...sounds like status quo in the MMO world to me.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Or we just planned on communicating with them to see where we'd be going. For wanting to keep the community together so much, you sure didn't want to talk to them about it.

But whatever, the old way and the new way both resulted in me playing with my FFXI LS, so I don't care either way. This is neither a loss nor a victory, it's a way to keep playing a game I like with people I like.

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You know, I don't really understand.

Why are you against them changing to option 2 when it does everything 4 does, but gives people like me the direction we want?

My linkshells won't be split, you and your friends can join any server you want, and people who decided to take a break till 2.0 won't be without old friends. I don't see the problem.

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Originally Posted by neizero

Original plan was fine, new one will be fine too. (further) Delay is not fine.

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You don't need to worry. It's been stated that these various patch and merger delays won't change the 2.0 release date.

Looks like the rest of my post was lost on the first line. ~______~
Such is often the case on message board forum posts.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

Looks like the rest of my post was lost on the first line. ~______~
Such is often the case on message board forum posts.

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When you kind of insinuate people have no friends because they didn't cry about something...yeah the rest of your post is pretty meaningless lol.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You don't need to worry. It's been stated that these various patch and merger delays won't change the 2.0 release date.

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Due to people getting them to change the merge setup, it could potentially delay 1.21. While it won't affect 2.0, it will affect those playing and anticipating 1.21.

All because people didn't want to communicate outside of the game/forum...sigh.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Due to people getting them to change the merge setup, it could potentially delay 1.21. While it won't affect 2.0, it will affect those playing and anticipating 1.21.

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How do you know the merger and the update go hand in hand?

I prefer option 4, but...

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

My biggest hope is that returning players will have a choice upon return. Contrary to belief, I was never arguing for #2 so much as I was arguing for, like many other MMOs, simply allowing those coming back into the fold a choice, rather than thrusting them into a random server after March. :)

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I agree with the above. A few friends plan to return to the game when 2.0 hits. I would like them to have a choice of server when they return.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

How do you know the merger and the update go hand in hand?

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It generally tends to with Square, since sometimes they'd wait till after the merge (when servers are completely down) to push out the update so after a fresh merge you'll be able to fully enjoy the update.

It happened a few times with FFXI when a merge was on the ass of a major update.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Due to people getting them to change the merge setup, it could potentially delay 1.21. While it won't affect 2.0, it will affect those playing and anticipating 1.21.

All because people didn't want to communicate outside of the game/forum...sigh.

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Really don't think this will be the case since the merges are happening like a month after 1.21 is planned to arrive.

also @ Marx there is going to be a server transfer service when 2.0 gets here. That's why I was fine with the Merge plan we were getting already because, let's not kid ourselves, anyone who isn't playing/trying out the game after 1.21 hits and able to sign up for transfers wouldn't be playing until 2.0 anyway.

I think the idea was to have the merger come right after 1.21 so everyone checking out jobs would be aware of the upcoming merge and be able to participate under the same resub. With them making changes to the merge either it could delay the merge itself or push 1.21 back even a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Really don't think this will be the case since the merges are happening like a month after 1.21 is planned to arrive.

also @ Marx there is going to be a server transfer service when 2.0 gets here. That's why I was fine with the Merge plan we were getting already because, let's not kid ourselves, anyone who isn't playing/trying out the game after 1.21 hits and able to sign up for transfers wouldn't be playing until 2.0 anyway.

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Exactly, this is why option 4 was perfectly fine because as you said, people who aren't playing now didn't want to (basically) or waiting for 2.0 PS3, which you could easily shift servers then.

People mainly complained for the sake of people who don't even play.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

I'm going to post for a second time what i read from someone else in the first place.

if you were in favor of the original plan, you obviously have no friends in this game.

I will add, they don't have to be good friends either, they are just the people you and i have been playing with since launch. They are a kind of family and that these connections we make, no matter how small, do matter. Knowing as i did in FFXI, that many of the same people i met in 2004 on that game, i still crossed paths with once in a while in 2010. If you really hate em all that much, hopefully there's a world transfer service for you and better luck next time.

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Cool story bro.

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Apparently I have no friends because I didnt QQ over the original post? I admit I like 2 a hell of a lot more but that's very childish to assume anyone okay with devs choices is a loaner who doesn't like anybody.

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Yeah, apparently you and I can't be friends because neither us were against the 4th option.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It generally tends to with Square, since sometimes they'd wait till after the merge (when servers are completely down) to push out the update so after a fresh merge you'll be able to fully enjoy the update.

It happened a few times with FFXI when a merge was on the ass of a major update.

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Well as I recall, the update was scheduled for late Febuary and the merger was to happen in early March.

I don't know if that means the update was originally delayed till early March, but I'm not too worried about it. I'd rather it be of little inconvenience as possible to the player base, including those taking a hiatus, and be late than be on time and riddled with unusual design choices that don't mesh well with traditional game design.
Much like how the game was released in the first place.

Besides, 2 is apparently easier to do than 4 according to Yoshi himself.

Too much disinformation at once.

Head explodes.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

also @ Marx there is going to be a server transfer service when 2.0 gets here. That's why I was fine with the Merge plan we were getting already because, let's not kid ourselves, anyone who isn't playing/trying out the game after 1.21 hits and able to sign up for transfers wouldn't be playing until 2.0 anyway.

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A server transfer service would fix my only issue with option 4. thanks for the info ^-^

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Well as I recall, the update was scheduled for late Febuary and the merger was to happen in early March.

I don't know if that means the update was originally delayed till early March, but I'm not too worried about it. I'd rather it be of little inconvenience as possible to the player base, including those taking a hiatus, and be late than be on time and riddled with unusual design choices that don't mesh well with traditional game design.
Much like how the game was released in the first place.

Besides, 2 is apparently easier to do than 4 according to Yoshi himself.

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1.21 is supposed to land late Feb. In the old server merge plans, we were meant to designate the server we wanted early to mid March, with the actual merges happening right at the end of March. Really doubtful this will affect 1.21, but with this method of merging being supposedly easier I would really really really be happy if the merge date came sooner.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

When you kind of insinuate people have no friends because they didn't cry about something...yeah the rest of your post is pretty meaningless lol.

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I managed to get my fingers into the configuration shown in the emoticon, it's rather awkward to position your thumb next to the primary knuckle like that, either that or you're of the 6 fingered variety

A + B - X = C

So A is merged with B, who gets to keep the duplicate name? The person from A, B or neither? That is a bigger issue than most give credit for. I don't want lose my name, I have built a reputation and have a attachment to my name. Would Doctor Mog like it if he lost his name because of the merger? If I lost my name due to someone else merging, I would be very upset. What system would be fair for deciding who gets the name? First to log on? Both lose it? Either way you look at it, someone is going to be upset. Granted, with name and surname combo, this is rare thing; but will happen during the merger.

Second, what if someone didn't want to merge with that server. For example, it is known the Besaid is the 'role play server' and people do not want to be in that kind of community. So now people are forced into a community or they can jump server and leave their friends behind. Fun choices...

I could get more points, but this dead horse has already been beat into glue.

The change from plan 4 to a, possible, 2 mix really doesn't change that much. SE has given me the impression they want to be fair with this and not punish people. So high or low population server, you will feel the effects of the merger. I would guess that SE is still going to provide the option to jump to any server, but if we don't we will be placed on the planned A + B server. We gain the comfort of that our community will remain intact as some people jump servers, some will, and another community is thrust in to it. This option helps the non-paying inactive players the most. Now they have the highest probability of being a on server with their friends, assuming that their friends haven't quit themselves and stayed to play on that server.

The only issue I have right now, is this reassessment of the merger might delay the merge. Besaid has been slow for about a month and I would like the merger to happen sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by Klive

A + B - X = C
So A is merged with B, who gets to keep the duplicate name?

Second, what if someone didn't want to merge with that server. [...]
People are forced into a community or they can jump server and leave their friends behind. Fun choices...

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-Whomever had the name first.

-That would happen in any version of the merger.

Greetings everyone!

We are still working on the longer post that was made by Yoshi-P earlier today, but wanted to go ahead and share with you the first post he made which is a concise version outlining the main concepts of how the world merge specifications will be changed.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Hello. This is Producer/Director Yoshida.

I am sorry for creating problems for everyone with the World Merge.
In regards to the World Merge specifications that were announced the other day, we have received a large amount of feedback from everyone and I would like to share with you the results of our re-exploration of the specifications. Since this is a forum post, and not the specifications itself, this is more of a concept, but until the official announcement is released, please check over these two posts in regards to the direction of the specifications.

■Simple Digest■

The specification overview is an extremely large amount of text, so I wrote out a brief version. If you just want to get a grasp of the content, then please just read over this post.

The foundation of the World Merge will be based on consolidating multiple existing Worlds as below:

A + B = New World

For both existing Worlds, Linkshells, Friend Lists, and Blacklists will remain intact. The Worlds will be consolidated from the current 18 Worlds into 10 Worlds, which includes a completely new World recommended for players in the EU time zone. The 10 new Worlds will have completely new names.

Also, at the same time as the World Merge, we will be temporarily accepting “World Transfer applications,” so if you are looking to change to a new World, take this opportunity to do so.

In regards to character names and Linkshell names, I have written about the handling of those at the end of the next post, so please check it out.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings everyone!

We are still working on the longer post that was made by Yoshi-P earlier today, but wanted to go ahead and share with you the first post he made which is a concise version outlining the main concepts of how the world merge specifications will be changed.

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Thank you Sir.

(A^2+B^2=Nlog2/W(n))/pi

N= New
W=World
n= trolls who will inevitable complain about the new merge anyway.

Now can you post some exciting info about the jobs system :D!

Everyone find a dance partner. The two worlds that stay the same get to be prom king and queen.

So new names + fusion of worlds, and optional transfers? I'm ok with this.

Will we get a list that shows what two worlds are merging? Would be nice to know so we get a general idea on who is going to be in the new server with your own server.

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Everyone find a dance partner. The two worlds that stay the same get to be prom king and queen.

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Actually, with the new concept in mind, it sounds like all 18 worlds will take part in the merge and no two worlds will be left out.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

The Worlds will be consolidated from the current 18 Worlds into 10 Worlds, which includes a completely new World recommended for players in the EU time zone.

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If basic math has taught me anything; I'd assume nine 'server As' and nine 'server Bs' would merge together to create nine newly named servers. The tenth server, under this concept, would likely be a fresh and untouched server recommended for those playing in the EU timezone.

Yeah I would like to see what worlds are merging into one.

Fill up 9 servers and make one stay empty, (All Right!)

ok guys, just until the 2nd translation is there:
what famous FF weapons do you want as server names?

my bet:
Excalibur
Gungnir
Masamune
Longinus
Apocalypse
Godhand
Lionheart
Defender
Durandal
#10 Ragnarok (EU server)
#11 Savethequeen (UK server) - j/k

Sounds perfect.

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Originally Posted by Phe

ok guys, just until the 2nd translation is there:
what famous FF weapons do you want as server names?

my bet:
Excalibur
Gungnir
Masamune
Longinus
Apocalypse
Godhand
Lionheart
Defender
Durandal
#10 Ragnarok (EU server)
#11 Savethequeen (UK server) - j/k

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Now thats a name list.

An update from a fluffy creature?! Quick! Eat ut!!!

*cues FF victory fanfare over the concepts presented*

And so, as I pray, Unlimited Blade Works...

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Originally Posted by Geesus

But why? I mean I sort of see your point from a human standpoint of let's be nice give them a chance but, they made the decision not to play or pay for service so why should SE do anything for them?

The old adage of "Snooze you loose." They have time if they even CARE to read the Lodestone as the date was originally posted before Server Merge Armageddon took place last week and that post/announcement was removed.

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Because SE is likely concerned about making people happy, living up to MMO and gaming standards of 2012, and encouraging customers to return to Eorzea, populate the game, and fill their coffers?

I'm not sure why having this as an option would bother anybody - you're not losing out, and it doesn't affect you. Why do you care if returning players have a choice on login of their server, rather than a random assignment? Genuine question. Is it just some weird over the top "I paid for an MMO!" pride that you'd want to frustrate and annoy returning players, and potentially hurt SE profits? o_O

Slight Edit: On the upside, this is a non-issue anymore for the most part, since players won't be as broken up. More permanent transfer options and choices would be nice, but I assume 2.0 will bring those anyway.

Wow. Well done us. This is great news :D.

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Originally Posted by Phe

ok guys, just until the 2nd translation is there:
what famous FF weapons do you want as server names?

my bet:
Excalibur
Gungnir
Masamune
Longinus
Apocalypse
Godhand
Lionheart
Defender
Durandal
#10 Ragnarok (EU server)
#11 Savethequeen (UK server) - j/k

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#12 Excalipoor

Ok, in seriousness. I'm glad Yoshi~P decided to go this route. It's the best of all worlds.