The burden of being in charge.

Mistakes will be made but if anyone can correct them, its Yoshi. I still have faith this game will be awesome by 2.0

It is true that we are paying customers and also that we are not childeren (Emotional children aside). However, Yoshida is there exactly to judge what is "for our own good". That's why SE is giving him the salary you mention in your post. I do see us as a community and while I might not view him as a parent, I definitely see him as our head of household. If an idea comes out of the community, be it from players or dev staff, it remains an idea until Yoshida says "Do it" and then it gets done.

Here's how I think this is "vegetables".

A+B-X = "new A"

This is the ever popular option 2. So you order them in terms of populations (JP avg peak, NA avg peak, EU avg peak, or total avg peak?). Axe the bottom 8, you now have 8 blocks to add to your 10 remaining servers. Your objective is to have about a value of 2000 at each peak time. Few of your 8 blocks fit perfectly to remaining servers, but you do the best you can and mash your 8 blocks on. You'll have a few that leave this new server and move to the popularly named server of their choice. The new server might have too many on at some peak times and too few at another because your 8 blocks can only fit together so well.

Pick 10 Worlds, set a limit

In option 4 all the players get dropped in to a pool. Within this pool people align themselves into communities of play style. There are many types of communities that could emerge here. Hard core endgamers what to challenge other elite linkshells to be the first to have 8 memebers clear the new patch content and do a naked run to Fogfens? Isle 1. You like being in a general linkshell and the familiarity of Mysidia? Isle 3. RP? Isle 9. This process happens separately across your 3 language bases, each able to monitor the others to avoid large conflicts. Everyone must chose which community they are going to follow in the merge and those who don't are sprinkled across servers to provide building blocks for new communities to form or old ones to grow on the server. I'm willing to bet you have much more balanced servers at the end of this process. Hence vegetables. Not as good going down as a candy bar, but healthier servers in the end for eating it.

I am thankful for this merge, although I do have a handful of "Friends" and or Aquatints from other link shells I have made about 5 friends that I consider friends of mine in real life at this point. I am looking to go with the friends that I enjoy being with the most and the people I hang out with the most, not the 50 other people in a link shell that are barely aquatints /"Friends"... Not only this but I think it is a good thing to shuffle the communities, although it breaks some bonds, it makes strong bonds stronger, and makes way for a plethora of new possibilities.

In general I am extremely thankful for Yoshi-P, I often say that I have hope for this game, but I know that when Tanaka was still around (no offense man, you did great things for XI), the game was falling, and quick.. I feel as if Yoshi P was given the task to climb mount Everest with a days worth of supplies with the trip lasting a few days at the least.

I have nothing but love for Yoshi-P, even though I disagree with the server merge option he chose.

You can still respect someone even if you disagree with them sometimes!

Got hit by the storm, so I'ma try to keep it trim and succinct, and elaborate as necessary to responses! I responded to the individuals first, then tried to more clearly state my general point at the end. Prepare yourself, TL;DR time!

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Originally Posted by Efrye

You can't compare food to game design. You wouldn't want movies to be made by the audience either, would you?

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Hmm? To a degree, I would, yes. And yes, to a degree, I know exactly what I want from a movie. People aren't entirely stupid to where they can't pick up on the nuance, or figure out what they like and why.

Does that mean I can specifically angle a shot, or do lighting? Of course not. But I can tell you what I like and back it up with reason.

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Originally Posted by Efrye

The main idea was to give EU players a chance to get together with players from the same time zone. If they just go with plan ② (A + B - X ⇒A), the server with X would probably end up being underpopulated, because it's not likely that many players switch if they don't have to. So there was a good reason for it, but apparently most people don't care.

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And that's fine, and we agree to an extent on this - but it's all irrelevant to my point. I did not say I was against EU servers, or entirely for Plan 2 - you assumed. That does not explain the lack of clear choice for those who desire, or the transfer of linkshells, or the limit before being randomly and arbitrarily assigned without excusing people who are not currently playing. These are things that unarguably cause confusion and threaten bonds and communication.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

I've said it before and I'll say it again: When you smack two servers together, you get two distinct communities trying to coexist (sometimes quite unsuccessfully). With option 4 you're creating entirely new, cohesive communities.

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You're also turning off some potential returns who don't want to be slammed into a random server or have to reroll and lose everything, you're potentially destroying bonds, and you're not necessarily creating entirely new, cohesive communities: people are already banding together to name their specific servers, and in many cases you're likely to see much of the same crowd running things. This way, you're still potentially going to have distinct communities trying to co-exist (haven't we always anyway, with Japanese and English?).

And like the previous guy, you're assuming I'm advocating Plan 2. I'm not.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

Option 4 is also a last resort, but something like it hasn't really been done before. With that in mind, I wonder what your basis of comparison is? You don't have one.

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There's actually a topic out there comparing the various merges, and showing the virtues of others compared to FFXIV.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...mplicated-mess

I'd be shocked if an option like 4 has never been done in the past, to be fair, but even saying that, it's certainly not standard at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by Sidious

You're just assuming doom and gloom. Which is all the more reason why you're not qualified to make judgments on game design.

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You, my friend, know nothing about me, and I'm not going to tell you. I just don't need to whip it out when someone claims my epeen is too small.

Now, we keep making fallacious appeals to authority here: Yoshi has very little MMO or serious game design experience, and has only done niche arcade games before this, nor does the consensus agree with him on things like these mergers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumen...s_to_authority

I know, I know, I'm opening the floodgates here for the flamestorm. People fawn over him, and he seems like a nice guy, I'm not knocking him on a personal level. But like it or not, it's the truth. Really, look him up - he's not done much, let alone anything of high profile.

I'm not trying to pick on the guy, I'm really, truly not, but these silly arguments of, "He's a game designer, you're not, therefore, your argument is invalidated" have got to stop. It's at best poor debate.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Truth to be told, you know EXACTLY what you want, yes. But since you're not a developer yourself you're most probably pathologically unable to EXPRESS that. There's simply things that are beyond your grasp, and beyond mine, when dealing with things you're not fully knowledgeable of. That's where filtering and analyzing player feedback fits, it's trying to figure out exactly what the players want, taking it from what they're saying.

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I do appreciate what you're saying, and I honestly agree to an extent. You might know what kind of food you enjoy, but that doesn't mean you know how to cook it, and ditto for games and designing. There's truth to that, honestly and truly!

That being said, *Square Enix* should know better. When people ask for something, we too often get a bastardized version of what is the standard. Take dyes, for example. We asked for them, SE delivered - but not the way anybody expected, or anywhere near the standard in MMOs. You can't necessarily fault for the player for thinking they don't have to specify every minute detail to a massive corporation like SE, with years of MMO and gaming experience.

If I tell a carpenter I want a wall in my bedroom, I shouldn't have to specify, "And I don't mean made of toothpicks glued together," and I shouldn't have to tell a plumber that my shower should not be made of paper, that it should be connected to the water supply, and that it should not be on the ceiling. I should not have to lean over their shoulders making sure that's not the case. There's a certain degree of standards and reasonable expectations that come in to play.


As a general response to this issue:

It's kind of like the old ideas about the devil: he'll grant you your desires, but not in the way you want. He'll make you the best hairdresser in the world, but you'll be so good, you'll have no repeat business, and your business will fold. He'll give you eternal youth, but it'll be at the cost of life in prison. He'll make you into an all-powerful genie, but you'll be trapped in a lamp (okay, that was not the Devil, that was Aladdin, but you get the point!).

And then a portion of the community says, "SEE! You don't know what you want!" when we clearly do, but Square Enix is going *beyond reasonable expectations and standards* to deliver something that is technically what we asked for, but in a very bastardized, unreasonable manner. If anything, rather than questioning the design credentials of random forum posters, we should perhaps question SE's grasp on the modern MMO market, since they're the ones asking for money, as well as repeatedly misconstruing their base when they ask for something standard, expected and commonplace (and that's another thing that will get me flames, I know!).

No, I'm not calling Yoshi the devil or a shirtless kid from the desert. :p I'm simply saying, this is what we're up against sometimes in these debates. We ask for something, we get a bastardized version of it from SE that's nothing like the standard, expected or reasonable, and then we get told that we "don't understand what we want" (rather than "SE doesn't know the MMO standard well enough to understand what people are asking for") and SE knows better than the gamer.


(If you're stayed with this from the start, I commend you. I'll even "Like" your next post! :D )

As if people didn't already want me to shut up, I missed your post. So, uh, I'll blame you. Totally your fault I'm still going. :) Alright, so let's see...

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu

It is true that we are paying customers and also that we are not childeren (Emotional children aside). However, Yoshida is there exactly to judge what is "for our own good". That's why SE is giving him the salary you mention in your post. I do see us as a community and while I might not view him as a parent, I definitely see him as our head of household. If an idea comes out of the community, be it from players or dev staff, it remains an idea until Yoshida says "Do it" and then it gets done.

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I'll give you this - to an extent. However, the fact that we're paying customers does change the field a bit. His goal is not solely to judge what is "for our own good", so much as deliver a product we desire. Now, some of his own judgement does come into play there, but this a transaction, and unlike children and parents, we have a right to ask for certain things, particularly standards.

If I ask for a cheeseburger, yes, there is an extent to which I must rely on the cook's expertise. But it's a two-way street, and if I know I don't like onions, the cook should be respectful of that. It'd be pretty cheeky for the cook, or the guy behind me in line to say, "You're not a cook, he knows better! Deal with the onions!"

So I understand what you're saying, and agree to an extent, we just need to remember that in a two-sided transaction, both parties can have valid points and concerns; the buyer should not simply have all his opinions invalidated.

But I think we ultimately agree on that point.

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Here's how I think this is "vegetables".

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I should apologize here, I'm sorry. I snipped most of that, because while you have some valid points there, absolutely, it's not really what I was referring to, and I should have clarified from the start. I'm not a one-issue "I want server names ahead of time!" or "I want Plan 2" type (as a side note, not sure why the community is thinking so "in the box" and limiting the possibilities to only four ideas), and my concerns spread beyond those.

My point is that you're still missing conveniences like linkshell transfers, and people who aren't playing during this small window will be thrust randomly into servers upon their return. It goes beyond waiting for 2.0 before resubbing; myself and many others have friends who simply cannot afford to play at this time or who may have serious life issues going on, and will receive a random transfer if they can't hit the window.

*Those* are what I'm talking about when I'm saying modern MMO standards aren't being met, I've yet to see it seriously addressed. Those are *not* ultimately good for us, nor are they meeting MMO standards. Other games typically will allow returning players to choose upon next login, whenever that might be, and it's shocking that guilds won't transfer either, a definite cause for more potential confusion.

So I do appreciate you responding in regards to vegetables and clarifying for me, and I do apologize I wasn't more clear from the start about what I meant. My bad!

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Because you need to be a chef to know what sort of food you enjoy, or even what food is best for you? Walk into McDonald's, "Hey buddy, don't listen to me, just get me what you think is best for me, that's why you're the manager and I'm not"?

Ninja Edit: The whole basis of the entertainment industry is to make products people want and enjoy. If you're not delivering products that make for a happy customer, you are *failing*. SE is paying Yoshi to make happy customers, and make more of them. This is not conducive to happy customers, and the single best argument for is based around a hypothetical "Well, uh, maybe they'll make new, better friends along the line."

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Don't get me wrong, I totally am all for player input in a neutral enviroment. I think the player polls that SE has done are spot on the right way to go. They dont require you to be a member of a stupid forum to participate in them, and they take emotion COMPLETELY out of the equation. I just mean that, Yoshi seems to be flip flopping on his decision to use option four of the server merge based on what people on THESE forums are saying. My issue with that is they only represent a very small percentage of the actual player base. So essentially, 5% of the player base for this game are gonna determine what the other 95% of us get. Asking people what they think on these forums is the wrong way to go about it. Instead, I would have been all for a poll that just has you check a box with one of the options you like and thats it. Thats how elections are done, thats how surveys are taken, and that (to me anyway) would be whats best for the community as a whole.

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My point is that you're still missing conveniences like linkshell transfers, and people who aren't playing during this small window will be thrust randomly into servers upon their return.

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I think you answer your first point. Your second, I would say is a somewhat valid criticism, but this small window of 20 days are right after the new jobs patch. Probably the patch which will have the most inactive players returning to check out the game since billing started and reaching until 2.0 launches. Even if they miss this window by 1 day people who really want to play together will only be separated for 7 months before getting another shot.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Other games typically will allow returning players to choose upon next login, whenever that might be, and it's shocking that guilds won't transfer either, a definite cause for more potential confusion.

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A lack of what you called a convenience earlier should also not be shocking. Not excusing SE for not including them, but also not expecting them should be a good policy. After all, Yoshida is building us a new world while dishing out an exclusive plot to us at the same time (This shouldn't be a mantra to be used in every instance, but it does happen to be fact.).

He gives the most people resubbing before 2.0 a chance to pick their server. Miss it and you also get another chance in 7 months. I grant a golden ticket to move to any world that wasn't filled in the merge should be offered to every resub before 2.0, but even in a worst case scenario 7 months isn't too horrible.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

Too many people who play this need to take a chill pill. Nothing in the game is worth getting this upset over.

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Exactly - and best sig ever imo, that sums these forums up nicely.

heres what gets me. even if option 2 is selected, it still gives the players the option to change servers.
if your friends were that close to you, then youd either follow them or theyd follow you... so what does that say about these friendships people are so afraid to loose? especially if the option to change servers is going to be there regardless of which option the team goes with. 4 and 2 give you the same options >.>......

unless im missing something, both options are essentially the exact same thing.

also, why does he get sick so much? there are business men all over the world that work just as much as he does and i never hear of illnesses about them. what about actors that film two movies at once? or lawyers that take on several high profile cases at once? idk, it just seems fishy to me. maybe he has an actual health deficiency? just sayen.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Maybe it's my military background coming in to play, but you make a mistake, you own up to it, you take whatever pushups from however many people you get, and you fix it.

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You're implying he made a mistake.

He made an unpopular decision.

These are not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

The community, begged, pleaded, then demanded and commanded, for server mergers. Now that they are getting it, they are crying like a bunch of witchy little girls.

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Name me one person who is crying about the merge happening.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Should have considered the input of the players if he wanted to do what's best for the players.

It's as you said, it's the burden of being in charge. He should be used to it by now.

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What the hell do you think he's doing NOW!

He IS considering player input, but there's no much negativity and intent to be upset and self-righteous indignation in some part of the 'community' he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

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Ah, yes, I do see where you are coming from. Perhaps I am a bit biased here with XIV, as I kind of see them Experimenting with thing here, taking the chance that the game is essentially unreleased to try unique things and see how the playerbase responds. So i'm totally in favor of you guys raising a racket when things aren't good, but don't really put any blame in SE for actually trying the most bizarre sorts of things, since SOMEONE has to experiment and try or else the gamestyle stagnates.

That said, I had never been with XI before, and from what friends of mine tell me SE was equally obnoxious with it's ways back then too, so perhaps I shouldn't do that.

Reading though here it seems some people don't really know why people were upset, but reprimand them for being upset anyway, and give wrong info.

This is how I see the general flow going...

- People wanted server mergers, but they figured it would go like FFXI did. World A and World B become New World 1. They would stay with their community, on both ends, and also get to meet people from the other community that they were merged in with.
I know myself, I have been playing this game (with no breaks) since closed beta so I know people on my server pretty well.

- Plan 4 was released
And while it does the merger, it was not widely popular because of the following reasons I saw people making:
*everyone had to move
*some people on servers couldn't come to an agreement on which world to move on as a whole
*was causing people to panic because they wanted their community to stay together

- This announcement causes a large majority of people (not all), on the EN forums and JP forums to get upset

- Some people (not all) are rude and do personal attacks, but a lot just seem to complain.
I hate when people lump everyone into one category 'well everyone was rude, all of you need to stop being babies blah blah' it's not EVERYONE. Don't blame the mass for what a group of people do.

- Considering the amount of thread and posts disliking it vs liking it, it seems SE realizes it's not a popular decision.

- SE is considering changing their mind.



Now, what do I think of all this?

Honestly, this is really the first thing that SE has done something that I haven't 100% agreed with.

I didn't rant
I didn't do personal attacks

But I did say compared to other ways this could be handled, this seemed to be a silly (and stressful on everyone) way of handling it. He also admitted it was one of the most time consuming and expensive ways of handling the merge, so to me (seeing we haven't been paying until last month) I don't know if I would go with the way that takes the most money.

If he kept going with idea 4 and made us all move would I rage? No, because in the end it is SE's and Yoshi's decision and I would respect that decision. Yoshi has done a lot for this game, and I think he's wonderful... but also game companies don't always make the right decisions just because they are game companies. That is obvious by how many games and MMO's just flop.

These forums were put here because SE wants’ our feedback, that is what we are supposed to be using them for. I'll continue to post my feedback if I agree or disagree with something SE is thinking of doing.

Personal attacks need to stop; these people are doing their jobs. Be respectful.

Criticism and Feedback in a constructive way are what this forum is for.

In the end I love FFXIV and I have been playing it a long time, but that doesn't mean I am always going to agree with SE. But it also doesn’t mean I'm going to rage quit if they do something I don't like. I'm a FF girl at heart <3

Yoshi keep doing what you do, and I'll keep giving feedback in a respectful way. :)

While I don't believe option 4 was the best decision, it's nothing I would personally attack Yoshi-P over. It's amazing to watch how fast a community can go from kissing his ass, to basically wanting him ousted over one decision.

As House says all the time: "You idiots."

I guarantee not one of us could fill his shoes for a single day with all the pressure he has to go through. It's his job to offer up suggestions, post them on the forums and get feedback, and then CHANGE them accordingly. So where in the hell that suggests he hates the community is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Hmm? To a degree, I would, yes. And yes, to a degree, I know exactly what I want from a movie. People aren't entirely stupid to where they can't pick up on the nuance, or figure out what they like and why.

Does that mean I can specifically angle a shot, or do lighting? Of course not. But I can tell you what I like and back it up with reason.

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People are stupid. Maybe not you, maybe not everyone, but the majority is. And by "stupid" I mean they have no clue how games or movies work, and still they think their suggestions would make everything better and that making something different from what they want is a horrible mistake.

The movie analogy doesn't hold up well, because they are much more subjective than game mechanics. Usually what people want from movies is "better action scenes" and "more interesting characters", but an estimated 98.62% of them won't be able to tell you how to do it. As for games, I could give you a hundred example of things frequently requested by the community that would make things worse, and I could give you even more examples of things that are criticized simply because people don't understand how they ultimately benefit from it.

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And that's fine, and we agree to an extent on this - but it's all irrelevant to my point. I did not say I was against EU servers, or entirely for Plan 2 - you assumed. That does not explain the lack of clear choice for those who desire, or the transfer of linkshells, or the limit before being randomly and arbitrarily assigned without excusing people who are not currently playing. These are things that unarguably cause confusion and threaten bonds and communication.

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I didn't assume you want plan 2, but most people do without understanding the issues with that. So that's what would happen if the devs brainlessly followed what people want.

I'm not sure what you mean by "lack of clear choice", but linkshells don't get transferred for technical reasons. Unfortunate, but there's most probably no way around it. Assigning inactive people randomly was explained in Yoshis recent post, and I would say his reasoning is good enough. It only affects a very small minority, so in my opinion, deciding to ignore them in favor of the active players was the right call.

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Now, we keep making fallacious appeals to authority here: Yoshi has very little MMO or serious game design experience, and has only done niche arcade games before this, nor does the consensus agree with him on things like these mergers.

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The fact that he didn't direct any big project doesn't mean he's lacking the knowledge to do so. There are many awesome games out there that were directed by newcomers, oftentimes because they bring in fresh ideas that others didn't think of. Yoshi considered all the established merging options, but it seems he wanted to improve on that. And that's what you blame him for? So in other words, you want a generic game without innovation or creativity, just a bunch of zombies following every order of the community?

It's really unfortunate that the fun of making games is being sucked out more and more. Not because of the evil publishers who only want to make money, certainly not because of the devs themselves, but because of the players who ask for cookie-cutter games and complain about every experiment that strays from their comfort zone. Worse still, game designers get punished for being passionate about their job and are expected to become just another corporate tool to reel in more customers.

Welcome to the games industry of the 21th century.

Again, player feedback is a great thing, and telling the devs that you would prefer a different merging option is perfectly fine. But some of the other stuff that's going on here, like people saying Yoshi hates communities, that he's unable to make a good game, that SE doesn't know how to lead a company, etc.? That's just disgusting and unnecessary.

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heres what gets me. even if option 2 is selected, it still gives the players the option to change servers.
if your friends were that close to you, then youd either follow them or theyd follow you... so what does that say about these friendships people are so afraid to loose? especially if the option to change servers is going to be there regardless of which option the team goes with. 4 and 2 give you the same options >.>......

unless im missing something, both options are essentially the exact same thing.

also, why does he get sick so much? there are business men all over the world that work just as much as he does and i never hear of illnesses about them. what about actors that film two movies at once? or lawyers that take on several high profile cases at once? idk, it just seems fishy to me. maybe he has an actual health deficiency? just sayen.

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the big difference is in 2 the inactives move with the players from the server to the new one, but in option 4 they are randomly shoved into random servers. the option to transfer is fine in either option in the fact if someone wants to rp or move to a server with more people from their timezone(oceanic players) they can do so. at least with option 2 when people return from being inactive they will be with the majority of the players they had been friends with for over a year minus the few that moved to a different server.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Name me one person who is crying about the merge happening.

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Name one who isn't.....

No one said "I want a server merger that goes like this".......then offers an explaination of how to do it.

BUT

A massive amount of posters did post DEMANDING a server merger. Now that they are getting it there are 300 various threads complaining about the server merger.

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Name one who isn't.....

No one said "I want a server merger that goes like this".......then offers an explaination of how to do it.

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Actually I did say how I felt the server mergers should go and outlined an explanation on how it could work.

People need to stop being so general, just because someone didn't see the post doesn't mean there wasn't one. :(

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Name one who isn't.....

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Oh that's easy. Me.

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No one said "I want a server merger that goes like this".......then offers an explaination of how to do it.

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A massive amount of posters did post DEMANDING a server merger. Now that they are getting it there are 300 various threads complaining about the server merger.

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The point you don't seem to get is that they are complaining about the WAY the merge is supposed to proceed, NOT about the merge itself.

Your post, however, explicitly states we are:

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The community, begged, pleaded, then demanded and commanded, for server mergers. Now that they are getting it, they are crying like a bunch of witchy little girls.

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You guys do know that he gave us this information a month and a half early so we could give him feedback about what we think about it right? It's in one of the posts that one of the dev's translated saying that yoshi gave use the info. about the merger over a month ahead of time because this is what he truly believes is the best way to do the merger but he knows that no matter what he does people are going to hate him. So he released what he is going to do and than is waiting for feedback now. If he didnt want feedback he wouldn't of told us and just done it. To lazy to look for it right now but one of the dev's translated his post from, i think the french forums

This isn't the post I was talking about. But shows that I was right about his releasing the info. looking for feedback on what the majority of people want.

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida
Hello everyone, Producer/Director Yoshida here.

I’d first like to thank you for all of your posts.
I’ve been looking at the threads across all regions and I’m sorry that this has caused a huge disturbance amongst each of the regions.

Currently, we're seeing a lot of feedback that favors plan ②, and we're considering revisions that use plan ② as a base while retaining the merits of plan ④. The operations and development teams will continue to gather everyone’s feedback while we investigate further. This is also a technical matter and we also need to confirm schedule timing, so I’m sorry to say that we’ll need some additional time and that this will continue through the weekend and into the start of next week.

For the Topics announcement, we considered temporarily taking it down, but we decided against that as we feared that if players were unable to see the information, you wouldn’t be able to discuss it with the same background knowledge. Therefore, we’ll be keeping the current announcement up as we go into next week.

Just to reiterate, there are a lot of players that are voicing their concerns, and we will strive to find an acceptable balance as much as possible before moving forward. Therefore please keep this in mind and try to understand our reasoning.

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I feel bad for yoshi. He made a decision that he felt as developer (leader) of FF14 was the best one along with his develper team was the right one. People keep saying with the planed server change that they may loose friends. People forget that its their friends decision to choose what ever server that they may choose and that is not to lay the blame on yoshi or developers . It is one thing to say you disagree with the way the merger is happening, but to make comments like in other post about yoshi not carring about the community is just messed up. Do you guys remember what it was like before yoshi took over? We rarely ever got updates or info about the game. Since he has took over he actually listens to are input and keeps us updated. So why you may disagree with merger, think about all the awesome changes and coming changes yoshi has brought to are game. Please post how you feel but be respectful.:cool:

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Have you ever heard of the Six Degrees of Separation?

It is the idea that everyone is on average approximately six steps away, by way of introduction, from any other person on Earth, so that a chain of, "a friend of a friend" statements can be made, on average, to connect any two people in six steps or fewer.

Figured out the problem yet?

I vote for option 2 with a choice to choose a diff server.

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Originally Posted by ElexDestruction

I do no for a fact that yoshi did not make everyone in the community mad. I no this because I am a member of the community and from the post on this topic you can see there is people that support yoshi decission. I agree people should be able to express how they feel about the topic but to lash out at yoshi saying he hates are community is just messed up. If he didnt care about what we thought their proably wouldnt be a forum that had developers responding and keeping us updated on.

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^^ This...!!!

Player polls are bad. We are idiots and don't know what's best for us. We just play games. So let the people who get paid to do this crap handle it :D

It's a breath of fresh air to see some maturity in these forums. One thing for sure, the whole community is not upset about this.

The one single thing that motivates people to go public with their feelings and thoughts is when a person is upset or feels they have been wronged. Yes, sure, sometimes you see people come on a forum or take a survey to express how content they are, but not nearly as often as when they are upset. So, if it's true that the whole community is upset over this issue, where are the thousands of members posting their discontent? I see only a small portion of the community waling out in anguish.

I'll be glad when this is over so the atmosphere can clear. People will either drive on or quit and personally I'm not bothered which. I've been pissed off at the game more times that I can count, but I just drive on. When there is another product that is worth my consideration, I'll go explore my options, but until then, I'll just drive on here.

As someone so kindly reminded us all.... This is a video game. Ponder that and then get a grip. If this is where you truly get your identity then you've got more problems than a server merge method.

Take care all, have fun!

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Originally Posted by Zahak

Player polls are bad. We are idiots and don't know what's best for us. We just play games. So let the people who get paid to do this crap handle it :D

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just because we don't know what's the way to go about implementing something in the coding process doesn't stop people from knowing what they want.

i may not know how to put video together and edit it out for a big movie production, but i do know whether i want to watch a comedy or an action movie. i may not be able to write the story, play the parts, direct the movie, edit everything properly, do the stunts, add all the special effects, or get it from video to the finished product, but i do know what i want out of the finished product.

you are right we play games and pay cash to do so. we pay them to make the game for us, but we pay them to make a game we enjoy.

imo, i could careless if i lost all my friends :/ it's a game... their not my family or anything.... can i change server away from my family? that'd be nice

I think Yoshi-P and the Dev team has done a great job up to now, unfortunately this mmo community is very harsh on anything they percieve to be negative or unfair. I think this is due to the very bad start this game had, people are entitled to their opinions but personal attacks shouldnt be posted as they add no value what so ever.

For SE and more specifically Yoshi-P its a case of damned if you do, damned if you dont.

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Originally Posted by Overkill9000

imo, i could careless if i lost all my friends :/ it's a game... their not my family or anything.... can i change server away from my family? that'd be nice

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That's just sad. You sound like you need a hug.

98 likes for OP, gogo!

I love your post Elex . You are so right^^