Eureka - The Time Sink

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Originally Posted by Tridus

You seem to be equating hard and boring. They're not the same.

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Oh I'm sorry, let me rephrase that, "Why do people want to get a nice shinny trophy for just trying rather than work hard for it knowing it may be boring, has been nerfed constantly when it' was NOT needed, SE now that they took away the LONG BORING GRIND, and it may require some work from the player that can be done while leveling up regardless, people still complain? I will never understand this new cupcake / snowflake generation "

I would probably take your opinion more seriously if you had actually at a minimum completed a relic (recent not from 2015 ).

Boring is subjective. What's boring is doing NM trains for 10 hours. But NMs were meant to be rare bonuses that people uncover by accident or whatever. It wasn't meant to be a train fest. The idea was to chain mobs together in full parties, moving from mob type to mob type as you increased in level just like you would in a dungeon, but less of an obvious endpoint compared to a dungeon. It was meant to be more casual than a dungeon but slowly allow you to get free gear that's on par with Sigmascape equipment minus the weekly lockout.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Boring is subjective. What's boring is doing NM trains for 10 hours. But NMs were meant to be rare bonuses that people uncover by accident or whatever. It wasn't meant to be a train fest. The idea was to chain mobs together in full parties, moving from mob type to mob type as you increased in level just like you would in a dungeon, but less of an obvious endpoint compared to a dungeon. It was meant to be more casual than a dungeon but slowly allow you to get free gear that's on par with Sigmascape equipment minus the weekly lockout.

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I'm not sure what definition of "casual" is being used here, but it's a comically long grind compared to Sigmascape. You can knock that off in a couple hours and you're done for the week, along with getting significant mendacity and some regular upgrades. A couple hours chaining mobs in Eureka gets you next to nothing, and if your friends outlevel you then you can't even do it with them, so you're stuck solo or trying to find random people for it.

You have to do the NMs anyway to get the good rewards and enough crystals to make it worthwhile, and you don't want to be on the far side of the map of them spawning because you'll never get across it in time. Thus the train.

And yeah, I'd contend mindlessly fighting the same trash mobs for a couple hours is boring. Some other people call it relaxing or whatever. But if all you want is mindlessly spamming a button to grind simplistic fights, iOS has a lot of options that don't cost a subscription.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Oh I'm sorry, let me rephrase that, "Why do people want to get a nice shinny trophy for just trying rather than work hard for it knowing it may be boring, has been nerfed constantly when it' was NOT needed, SE now that they took away the LONG BORING GRIND, and it may require some work from the player that can be done while leveling up regardless, people still complain? I will never understand this new cupcake / snowflake generation "

I would probably take your opinion more seriously if you had actually at a minimum completed a relic.

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And I'd take yours more seriously if you didn't fall back on tired weak "snowflake" talking points. This isn't a meeting of a bunch of old right wingers whining about kids today and their rock music.

As for not having one done, that's nice? I'm a parent, I have limited play time and other things I want to do with it. It'll get done eventually. It's not like I'm missing out on amazing gameplay here, especially since the mendacity WHM weapon is better than the relic. I don't see the rush to get something that would be inferior to what I already have.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

And I'd take yours more seriously if you didn't fall back on tired weak "snowflake" talking points. This isn't a meeting of a bunch of old right wingers whining about kids today and their rock music.

As for not having one done, that's nice? I'm a parent, I have limited play time and other things I want to do with it. It'll get done eventually. It's not like I'm missing out on amazing gameplay here, especially since the mendacity WHM weapon is better than the relic. I don't see the rush to get something that would be inferior to what I already have.

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Lets see RL, student, 2 jobs, ( that I love and give me time ) single parent...guess some of us can juggle better than others maybe that is why I can enjoy this game, it is my stress reliever. So yeah the parent and old timers put it back in the deck it has been over used, hard works has been around in gaming for a long time so no people make their lives hard by their choices, intentional or not in life has nothing to do with age.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Lets see RL, student, 2 jobs, ( that I love and give me time ) single parent...guess some of us can juggle better than others maybe that is why I can enjoy this game, it is my stress reliever.

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Or it's about priorities, and you put the relic on a higher priority than I do, which is probably why you got it faster. Doesn't say anything about how much time someone has spent in there or if they have an opinion on it. There's quite a lot of people in there right now who don't have any relics done yet.

Also I enjoy the train just fine. That's why I hang out in it. It's mindless trash grinding that I find boring.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Or it's about priorities, and you put the relic on a higher priority than I do, which is probably why you got it faster. Doesn't say anything about how much time someone has spent in there or if they have an opinion on it. There's quite a lot of people in there right now who don't have any relics done yet.

Also I enjoy the train just fine. That's why I hang out in it. It's mindless trash grinding that I find boring.

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Has it not been every type of RPG, MMO, mostly involve trash grinding in one way or another? As for priorities on relics I take it you missed the part on my first post that I mentioned I do them as a down time past time. I really only use 4 jobs that I can honestly say I play, even if I have 70 all across the board is just do to boredom in between patches. I did relics as I leveled them. As for trains 3/4 of the train is usually AFK or on the sidelines not doing anything until NMS pop. So even if people say it's a grind, people can be lazy and still complain.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

And yeah, I'd contend mindlessly fighting the same trash mobs for a couple hours is boring. Some other people call it relaxing or whatever. But if all you want is mindlessly spamming a button to grind simplistic fights, iOS has a lot of options that don't cost a subscription.

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It is subjective and you do not have the right to define for others.
While you don't find Sigma boring and grinding, I am also one of those who find Sigma weekly grinding painful.
It is not a pleasant experience for me to repeat same sigma 3 and sigma 4 fight just in order to won a RNG competition with 7 other people.
I will also not force you to like Eureka, it is your choice, because it is an optional content.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

It is really impossible to please everyone.
If your friend need constantly AFK, why not join a NM train.

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They need to go afk for semi-decent breaks for real life on occasion. They aren't afk all the time, but the train never stops or afks, and the zone prevents you from going back to town and afking for more than ten minutes. But if you were doing normal relics, you can just break after each roulette or dungeon, and you don't take up space in a party or premade. She plays the game fine, but we don't have parties agreeing to take breaks like they did back in FFXI, and the fate train party never needs to stop for a person to replace another with.

It's not that they don't play the game, it's more that the style of play forces you to be at keys for long periods of time.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

While you don't find Sigma boring and grinding, I am also one of those who find Sigma weekly grinding painful.
It is not a pleasant experience for me to repeat same sigma 3 and sigma 4 fight just in order to won a RNG competition with 7 other people.

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Sigma is definitely more pleasant if you form a group. Get a full party together and you can get most of them done in two runs each, since you'll have little competition on the second one. If you're just solo in the DF, that probably would get annoying.

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I will also not force you to like Eureka, it is your choice, because it is an optional content.

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Everything aside from the MSQ is optional.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Oh I'm sorry, let me rephrase that, "Why do people want to get a nice shinny trophy for just trying rather than work hard for it knowing it may be boring, has been nerfed constantly when it' was NOT needed, SE now thatthey took away the LONG BORING GRIND, and it may require some work from the player that can be done while leveling up regardless, people still complain? I will never understand this new cupcake / snowflake generation "

I would probably take your opinion more seriously if you had actually at a minimum completed a relic (recent not from 2015 ).

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9 hw relics, 2 ARR relics, 1 FFXI relic, 1 FFXI emp weapon (this is more like ffxiv relics that are more "farming" based but a bit more grindy, I guess the idea would be put ARR relic, HW relic, SB relic, put it all together, it would be like that, being grindy over a large course of expansions but it lasts, like ffxi's relic), then FFXI relic improvements (not last 99 ones) and I still sit here and say 0 SB relics because it is boring and empty area attached to relic farming. I hate the place, there is no danger, it was beta rushed because it was becoming too late in the expansion and couldn't delay it anymore. Was told diadem 3.0 was not going to be like diadem, while being new and something never seen to a game. We did not get that, all we got is a glorified FATE train.

I need to talk to others to get more input on the next statement but getting a ffxi relic, esp when getting the base pre abyssea eclipses a high number of combination achievements in this game. Even if you say get all ARR relics, all HW relics, all SB relics, you be comparing the smallest moon of Jupiter to Jupiter itself. So do not act like people that hate this diadem 3.0 do not know grinds.

The main reason I complain x or y taking too long is because how fast something gets outdated. Would I do a weapon that takes me 4 years to get if it was made useless in 2 years? That is what you imply when you complain about people complaining it takes too long. I did work on a weapon for 4 years because it lasts for 10+ years and with new improvements quests, I can make it current this day (after some grinding ofc) If i played ffxi still I would happily do that, but in diadem's time sink, it is not worth it because it was released out of date, and it will continue to be out of date till about 2 months before 5.0, so you have bis to play with for that small time, then it would be just a glam again.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

I'm not sure what definition of "casual" is being used here, but it's a comically long grind compared to Sigmascape. You can knock that off in a couple hours and you're done for the week, along with getting significant mendacity and some regular upgrades. A couple hours chaining mobs in Eureka gets you next to nothing, and if your friends outlevel you then you can't even do it with them, so you're stuck solo or trying to find random people for it.

You have to do the NMs anyway to get the good rewards and enough crystals to make it worthwhile, and you don't want to be on the far side of the map of them spawning because you'll never get across it in time. Thus the train.

And yeah, I'd contend mindlessly fighting the same trash mobs for a couple hours is boring. Some other people call it relaxing or whatever. But if all you want is mindlessly spamming a button to grind simplistic fights, iOS has a lot of options that don't cost a subscription.

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+1, that is what I mean. This area has too much "start up time" for no gain. Even with FFxi stuff you can chip at it small amounts each day, it may take 3 or 4 years, for a weapon that lasts longer then the complete ffxiv's age for example. So compare that idea to SB, why would I put in boring work for a glam? gear gets outdated too fast, makes no sense.