O5N is unfair for pure healer

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Originally Posted by Fayo

I'm a healer and like any good healer I only heal, this fight is literally impossible for me to clear because of the way it's made. We need to add a npc in that we would need to heal so that he would deal with the ghost for us. I don't know how I could clear this fight otherwise

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Sarcasm?
Are you saying that the fight was so easy that nobody got hit and there was no need to heal?

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Originally Posted by Selova

For all that is good and holy......

I sincerely hope this is a troll.

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This was pretty much my reaction, started singing this :p
Average White Band - Let's Go Round Again

Remember when a lot of people wanted to suplex the Phantom Train?

Calm down, guys. It's a troll. Don't feed, it took me less than 5 minutes to check it out and you have the proof right here:

1) Solid proof: Their fflogs. Check the old raids as a healer.
2) OP posted and never appeared again.
3) Post #5 is the OP's minion. Their name also appear in the same logs than the OP's.

This is clearly a troll post, there's no room for speculation. So, don't freak out!

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Originally Posted by Fayo

I'm a healer and like any good healer I only heal, this fight is literally impossible for me to clear because of the way it's made. We need to add a npc in that we would need to heal so that he would deal with the ghost for us. I don't know how I could clear this fight otherwise

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Was this post ironic?

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

DPSing as a healer, as long as you remember to heal first, and dps second whenever possible, is a good thing which makes healers more interesting in this game, and also is essential in some high end content.

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No, no... DPS is not something you do when you haven't any heal to do. DPS is something you stop doing when the fight requires you to heal. DPS first, heal second.

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Originally Posted by Fayo

I'm a healer and like any good healer I only heal, this fight is literally impossible for me to clear because of the way it's made. We need to add a npc in that we would need to heal so that he would deal with the ghost for us. I don't know how I could clear this fight otherwise

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Oh wow this is too much maybe I need to break things up so you can understand your statement from a different perspective.. With that being said lets let's brake it up each point of your statement;

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Originally Posted by Fayo

I'm a healer and like any good healer I only heal,

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No this only means you know what a healer does as his main focus. This does not make you a good healer. Do command missions you will even see the healer dps. LIKE A GOOD HEALER.

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Originally Posted by Fayo

We need to add a npc in that we would need to heal so that he would deal with the ghost for us.

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Just a hint' you are aware that ghost that follow you could be killed if you use doom trains purifying light attack. I mean Cid only mentions it on first attack unless your really not putting attention. Just make sure they are over the light once it goes off.

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Originally Posted by Fayo

I don't know how I could clear this fight otherwise

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-.-; You could if you actually tried. That or maybe this may be a hint that you were not meant to be a healer. Sooo Learn to DPS ( when it makes sense to do so, hint no need for heals or have a small gap to dot) / look up mechanics to fully understand / or might want to switch your role. If your not DPSing every once in a while Healing may not be for you.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

Remember when a lot of people wanted to suplex the Phantom Train?

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You mean the joke that got old 15 years ago? Honestly, I'd forgotten.

I laughed hard on this thread, good bait.

Why hang so many dogs on the OP, when the game developer himself has told healer should not be asked to do dps? They have just admitted that, healers are for healing and you cant ask them to do dps.

I call it a design fail, the run is too hard for their class design, this game doesnt have any balance or a main design theme it will stick itself together, the whole jobs and classes and duties are in incredible mess, to the point where people have to get a parser in order to proceed further. SE does not care at all, they see players managing to do hardest game content and they dont see anything in need of a rework so they keep copying the same scheme over and over again.
This leads to the shait like that, where some people convinced by the game about their job hit the wall, made by developer himself, thats disgusting.
Why does developer saying stuff, that does not translate into the game like at all? Do they even play their game, i doubt.

I can see now why DRK is being left over with nothing for so long time, because why they should change and rework the class if people are playing it just "fine"?

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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I know a comment like this was going to eventually pop up sooner or later. Because doing nothing but just healing is just lazy...the run is not 'too hard'. Say if an actual healer came in and said this...if there are healers who truly believe this, then stay out of raiding, period.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Calm down, guys. It's a troll. Don't feed, it took me less than 5 minutes to check it out and you have the proof right here:

1) Solid proof: Their fflogs. Check the old raids as a healer.
2) OP posted and never appeared again.
3) Post #5 is the OP's minion. Their name also appear in the same logs than the OP's.

This is clearly a troll post, there's no room for speculation. So, don't freak out!

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You can perceive that with just his first post. No need to do a background CSI investigation check on him, lul.

gr8 b8 m8

10char

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

You can perceive that with just his first post. No need to do a background CSI investigation check on him, lul.

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Yes, it's so easy to tell that some people are swallowing that bait completely, "lul". It took me less than 5 minutes and it was fun to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No idea why it bothers you? I have no sympathy for trolls.

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Originally Posted by Rekkums

Completely agree. I hate being a burden on my group JUST because I decided to build pure heals instead of the 'meta' dps crap going around nowadays.

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you didn't build anything... you are choosing not to DPS

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

I know a comment like this was going to eventually pop up sooner or later. Because doing nothing but just healing is just lazy...the run is not 'too hard'. Say if an actual healer came in and said this...if there are healers who truly believe this, then stay out of raiding, period.

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Its not about healers not doing their job, its about developer.
None is arguing if the healer should dps or not, but there is a huge gap in the design where you could get by trapped by.
You are not asked by the game itself to do damage, but on the other end it is mandatory to do so to proceed further into the game.

Its the game design giant flaw.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Yes, it's so easy to tell that some people are swallowing that bait completely, "lul". It took me less than 5 minutes and it was fun to do. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No idea why it bothers you? I have no sympathy for trolls.

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It bothers me not. No need to get angry =C

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You are not asked by the game itself to do damage, but on the other end it is mandatory to do so to proceed further into the game

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The game gives you a billion strong DPS skills and almost unlimited MP (when the group isn't wiping all over the place),the game makes your heals strong enough and the incoming damage weak enough that you're able to spend up to 100% of your time DPSing without anyone being in any danger of dying, and the newbie healer dialogue in novice hall encourages you to cast DPS spells when there's a chance for it. Does this really need to be spelled out any clearer?

(Btw the game doesn't directly ask me to use my songs as a BRD either.)

Holy hell this was some of the most blatant bait ever. OP you didn't even try, dude. I feel bad for anyone who takes it seriously

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Holy hell this was some of the most blatant bait ever. I feel bad for anyone who takes it seriously

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I'm only saying, this has finally spilled over from the healer forums....can we please send it back?

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Originally Posted by Avatre

I'm only saying, this has finally spilled over from the healer forums....can we please send it back?

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Can't put the bait back in the bag once someone's bitten it sadly, just gotta let some fish kick for now

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

But you do play it, right now in fact. It's called real life. Only way healers get dps is if they go out of their way to build up or buy some form of dps. It isn't given to the player by default.

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The Crusades....healers have been dpsing for centuries :D

Doesn't the ghost for healers end up killing itself at some point, or is that only in Savage?

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Originally Posted by SavageCipher

The Crusades....healers have been dpsing for centuries :D

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Priests killing and encouraging others to kill in gods name is a fair bit different than what the actual healer a barber was doing at the time.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You are not asked by the game itself to do damage

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Conjurer quest line is literally about teaching a healer to use the elements and not just heal.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Taken out of context and is not relevant about the issue with healers not doing DPS. It's just a circlejerk thing.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

You are not asked by the game itself to do damage

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How is it not relevant? The Conjurer story continually says Conjurers use elemental powers because that's their job. I don't think it's coincidence that every elemental skill (except the water one) is an offensive one, especially given that Sylphie continually points out that she doesn't want to do anything except heal.

White Mage even gets a heal that serves an offensive purpose later on when it levels up. The other Healer you have access to from the start is gated behind a DPS. The skill trees for pretty much even Healer even typically has you learn your first heal four levels after Level 1, as if to encourage you from the outset to DPS.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

I don't think it's coincidence that every elemental skill (except the water one)

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RIP 150 potency Fluid Aura. I'll always miss you...

There's a difference between bait and satire and I'm pretty sure this thread is actually the latter.

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Originally Posted by Taika

The game gives you a billion strong DPS skills and almost unlimited MP (when the group isn't wiping all over the place),the game makes your heals strong enough and the incoming damage weak enough that you're able to spend up to 100% of your time DPSing without anyone being in any danger of dying, and the newbie healer dialogue in novice hall encourages you to cast DPS spells when there's a chance for it. Does this really need to be spelled out any clearer?

(Btw the game doesn't directly ask me to use my songs as a BRD either.)

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Are we talking about the game wher, there are wet noodle tanks, who have also no idea about the CD's or never use the tanks stance, there are dps that does not dodge aoe's for the sake of casting spell, for low levels the healers job is not a simple task, even sastasha gives a pressure, since tanks there are soft and pulling 2 groups is like playing a roulette.
Not to mention the "pro super i will carry" tanks that pull entire dungeon level and go with offensive stance for the fastest run, sure there healer doesnt have to cast anything 100% of time right.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

How is it not relevant? The Conjurer story continually says Conjurers use elemental powers because that's their job. I don't think it's coincidence that every elemental skill (except the water one) is an offensive one, especially given that Sylphie continually points out that she doesn't want to do anything except heal.

White Mage even gets a heal that serves an offensive purpose later on when it levels up. The other Healer you have access to from the start is gated behind a DPS. The skill trees for pretty much even Healer even typically has you learn your first heal four levels after Level 1, as if to encourage you from the outset to DPS.

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Some people dont read those quests, because they find it a waste of time for the most part. Its 2018 already, even free to play mmos has dubbing.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Why hang so many dogs on the OP, when the game developer himself has told healer should not be asked to do dps? They have just admitted that, healers are for healing and you cant ask them to do dps.

I call it a design fail, the run is too hard for their class design, this game doesnt have any balance or a main design theme it will stick itself together, the whole jobs and classes and duties are in incredible mess, to the point where people have to get a parser in order to proceed further. SE does not care at all, they see players managing to do hardest game content and they dont see anything in need of a rework so they keep copying the same scheme over and over again.
This leads to the shait like that, where some people convinced by the game about their job hit the wall, made by developer himself, thats disgusting.
Why does developer saying stuff, that does not translate into the game like at all? Do they even play their game, i doubt.

I can see now why DRK is being left over with nothing for so long time, because why they should change and rework the class if people are playing it just "fine"?

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You can claim it is a failure in the design, because at its core the game is designed for healers to be doing damage.
Regardless of what the devs say on the matter.
What matters is how the devs design the combat.


But...
The problem is where, the healers heals are so powerful that they can't stay active for fights relying on only healing or supporting skills.

They will have downtime just due to how the heals are designed.
And it is inconsiderate to stand around and do nothing when no healing is required while also requiring every other class to be pressing buttons every time the gcd comes up.

ABC
Always Be Casting.

If the healing is taken care of for the time being, and your gcd comes up, you should be pressing a skill beneficial to the group.
Since the healing is taken care of, and overhealing is not beneficial, that only leaves doing damage as the healer's option.

They are powerful (heals) if you are running a duty with overkill gear.

I do low lvl duties all the time, and sometimes cant really tell will healer be able to heal me or not. I could tell you about half of the healers i meet there were only healing, the game didnt show them or told them that they could do dmg duh. They were actually short on mp every pull.
Now go and tell them they have to do dmg, because that will make run 1 minute faster, lol.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

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The game isn't going to hold your hand and teach you everything about your job and how to play it.


Using your terrible logic, apparently no one knows how to read tooltips on their abilities or ever comes to the realization of "Gee no one is taking enough damage to warrant me healing them 100% of the time and I have these neat dps abilities, may be I'd be able to fit in some damage to contribute more to the run Instead of just sitting on my hands doing nothing."


You are also delusional if you think the amount of time only adds up to 1 minute with healer dps. You clearly have never been In a group that does massive aoe pulls with a WHM or SCH. I think you should just stop at this point because you look foolish.

If OP is really a pure healer they should still be stuck back in their city state at level 1 MSQ quests. Even the MSQ has you kill things which would go against the 'pure healer' code :p

Thus rendering any arguments to current content invalidated because they can't do it since they never beat ARR XD

Jokes aside, I did enjoy all the giggles and laughs.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

If OP is really a pure healer they should still be stuck back in their city state at level 1 MSQ quests. Even the MSQ has you kill things which would go against the 'pure healer' code :p

Thus rendering any arguments to current content invalidated because they can't do it since they never beat ARR XD

Jokes aside, I did enjoy all the giggles and laughs.

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Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your main class is White Mage (Level 70), yes? The Job Class where the initial questline is about a girl who doesn't use the elemental (DPS) skills and is continually told that she's doing Conjury wrong?

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Jump potion boys <3! then after that you just use your chocobro

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Calm down, guys. It's a troll. Don't feed, it took me less than 5 minutes to check it out and you have the proof right here:

1) Solid proof: Their fflogs. Check the old raids as a healer.
2) OP posted and never appeared again.
3) Post #5 is the OP's minion. Their name also appear in the same logs than the OP's.

This is clearly a troll post, there's no room for speculation. So, don't freak out!

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I think you're confusing me with someone else to be honest ^__^

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

you didn't build anything... you are choosing not to DPS

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it's truly a build since you need to adapt your materia // substats to be able to solo heal all the fight including ultimate coil of bahamut. 1 healer, 5 dps is the true way to go with raid tier.

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Originally Posted by Fayo

Jump potion boys <3! then after that you just use your chocobro

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Well that explains it. You bought it and didn't earn it. Well you know your solution to your problem then, buy a clear and just heal heal heal, the others you buy it from will do it for ya.

LMAO
/10ch

If people want me to DPS as a healer then who will watch my recommended YouTube videos? I don't play a healer to DPS, I play a healer so I can watch YouTube and Hulu.

I love the pure healer meme.