A lot of people dont like to play Tank -

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

Currently, I find the game is pretty toxic to people who are trying to be able to do it. Tanking is an all or nothing game at the moment.

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Tanks don't see it that way though I look at dungeon groups and on the first pull i'll either know this is gonna be a good run or a bad run based solely on the DPS from the total group the reason it's all or nothing is because dungeons are nothing but hallways that you AoE down. It doesn't take any thought process to pull everything and pop CDs every time one goes down the real thinking comes from tanking in the mindset of "okay I have threat and i'm securing it while mitigating, how can I squeeze more DPS in?", that in itself is the hardest thing to do.

You are literally describing life.
When people fail they have to blame someone so they don't have to accept there own failures.
The tank is the easiest to blame then comes the healer.
You can't blame the DPS without telling them how low their DPS is and that is no no talk because it doesn't matter if they are only doing 350 dps at level 70 they are entitled to waste everyone's time and put in zero effort while everyone else has to work to make up for their laziness.

PS: People need to stop calling things toxic. Stop using this annoying PC buzzword.

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Originally Posted by Ash_

Curious thing to note; in HW you could somehow tell if someone was enjoying tanking even if a word was never said.

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This is a very valid observation. in 3.X you knew if you're tank loved their job and was having fun. Nowadays its less obvious but...

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It's difficult to describe, but now it feels like every tank I get in whatever content I'm doing completely lacks energy.

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We still exist, myself in particular, I am always pushing to see just what I can get away with, what new optimizations I can find in any duty I go into. Whether its a dungeon, 24 man, trial or savage raid, I simply find tanking to be fun—throwing myself at the forefront, taking all the hits for my party, being the driving force behind our actions in a group. That's precisely why I tank. Unfortunately, that's not enough for most people anymore, as our role has been gutted, our head kicked in, and then poked with a stick just to make sure it's still somewhat alive.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Mhm... I'd argue otherwise. The fact that the trinity is not in fact built on three equal pillars shows in the fact that both more healing and more tanking than necessary is useless, whereas more damage isn't. Moreover, healing/tanking tools are largely limited to healers/tanks, whereas DPS tools are given away to everyone - Literally because they need them to function solo. Furthermore, neither tanks nor healers can function without enemy damage dealers, whereas damage dealers can work fine without enemy tanks/healers.

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I don't believe this poster was suggesting that all roles are created equal. However, they are quite balanced as far as importance in a group setting, and that is what he's referring to.

Whatever resources a job uses, whether it is HP, MP, or TP, most of them have ways to regenerate it. This along with offensive capability helps them solo. So the healing/tanking tools being limited to them is mostly not true. The exception is enmity generation, but you don't need this while you solo since you tank by default. However, like tanks, many DPS and healer jobs have ways to mitigate incoming damage to them.

I could argue with you about duo setups and their functionality, or lack thereof, but this is getting away from the point. What matters is that when Tank/Healer/DPS have synergy, they wreck content. As a DPS, the maximization of the damage you put out requires the tank and healer to do their respective roles. Likewise, their sustainability is limited and they need damage dealers to kill stuff before they kill them. We should be fist-bumping, not trying to one-up the other.

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

Tanking is an all or nothing game at the moment.

Healing and DPS get a lot more leeway from other players and so more people play them.

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Bzzzzt. There are actually less Healers than Tanks last I checked, and those Healers are under the exact same "DPS" stigma. DPS also don't get leeway - their requirement/expectation is simply far more confined - which actually makes it a lot easier to notice when one is failing at their job. They do not get the same type of flak, however, seeing as even if they are doing their job poorly, they still only have one primary responsibility - the one everyone else has. To kill stuff. You can be sure that in a lot of groups favouring any kind of optimal play, those not doing this to a certain standard can and will be kicked or called out, often more than a Tank or Healer due to them having the additional aspects of their role-description to put under the microscope first. You can be an exceptional "Healer" and not a very good "DPS Healer" - sometimes that is more than enough. If, however, you are not a very good DPS, this rings alarm bells in a game where damage typically wins content.

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I don't believe this poster was suggesting that all roles are created equal. However, they are quite balanced as far as importance in a group setting, and that is what he's referring to.

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This. Creation wasn't in question. The point was quite simple - take any role/responsibility out of the equation and the whole group suffers, often irrecoverably so depending on circumstances. This is why you can't hold one so highly above another when any one of them, on their lonesome, isn't exactly going to perform a task with any level of efficiency whatsoever. They're all needed. I don't enter a dungeon and grovel at the feet of a tank - to me, they have a job just like I do as a Healer or DPS. Efficient use of all three nets smooth results, yet I've met many a player who get up their own backside about them feeling they are the most important part of the team (which is always amusing).

The point was aimed squarely at the guy who had it in their head that 'it makes sense' the 'Warrior of Light' is a 'tank', which makes no sense at all.

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All I am saying is people are use to things a certain way. Sometimes you can't teach a dog a new trick...

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Then they are bad players, plain and simple. I won't list the huge number of MMORPGs (trinity or otherwise) I presently play, but let's just say that to treat any of them as the same (just because of a familiar format) is both bad and silly, especially when you do not start any of them without having to level-up and discover how things operate in this new environment. Don't get me wrong, I know what you're saying, but it is no excuse. As a Healer you can bet I've seen many Healers admitting as much in the Healer DPS thread, where they will use the "I didn't have to DPS in X game, so why should I have to here?" as a defence mechanism, to which - as already said - these people had plenty of time to learn/realize that 'this isn't the same damn game'. If people have "old dog new trick" mentality, they were likely performing just as poorly in that other game they waded in from if they are so unable to adapt - adaptation being a huge part of any MMORPG.

To over-exaggerate the point a bit: I've been gaming since 1989, so if you honestly think I treat Treasure Island Dizzy on the C64 the same as I do Mario on the NES (just because they're both essentially platform games at their core), then you're sorely mistaken. They're nothing alike at all and don't get treated the same way at any point because I'm not some bad, stubborn gamer who can't tell the difference.

The irony is that WoW (and any MMORPG) also has that group of the playerbase looking to optimize. I could list any number of conversations from Mythic+ timed-dungeon enthusiasts who were just as passionate about Tank DPS as they were DPS-DPS. This isn't a new phenomena, and it's not "DPS > Tanking" or "DPS > Healing", it's simply optimization through using every tool at your disposal to get things dead, no matter what role those tools are coming from or are available to. Both games also harbour players who are happy doing the bare-minimum, to which these people are often the brunt of the debate as it's often seen as downright poor play or 'being carried' when there are better alternatives.

Adding onto Ropes first point I also believe we have less Healers before 4.2 goes live. Now when it goes live I am also certain we will have less tanks. I would like to see the new graph that shows Tanks/Heals/Dps now I honestly believe we are going to have so much more dps players overall. I also would like to see how this graph is compiled as I am almost certain a few 70 tanks/healers refuse to touch the role and instead swapped to Dps.

Ehh, if anything I'm more interested in WAR now. Before it was just too much bother for 3rd job (after BLM and SCH), but now it seems fun.

I like Tanking because it feels thematically more important even if mechanically it is not. The enemy is facing ME and trying to kill ME and I am not poking its butt trying to stay off its radar I am in the front raging in defiance as I look a God in the eye. I feel that Tanks fight the enemy where DPS are often fighting their class or whatever esoteric mechanic the developers want you to struggle to figure out.

And yes, not doing significant damage as a Tank would bother me. It becomes really hard sticking with Paladin in particular when there seems to be this almost constant push for my class to do less damage than everything else. Heavensward felt awful for that class, and while Stormblood got better I can't seem to get through a patch without some kind of chipping away at my DPS.

tanking is fun, they cleave you, you live, the party dies

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Originally Posted by Mirch

tanking is fun, they cleave you, you live, the party dies

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Yeah, best part of being a tank for me is to be able to survive what others can't. It was fun to discover I could survive blighted bouquet against Rafflesia during second coil progression while everybody else died.
I like to play tank because I can be the wall between the enemy and the party. It's also nice when you can recover a run that started to go bad, like a World of Darkness run where people had some issues killing the small clouds during the fight against Cloud of Darkness. The boss was getting a few stacks and it wasn't looking good. I used my tank LB, my party survived, not the other 2. healers proceeded to raise the other healers and we manage to get everyone back on their feet and kill the boss. Fun times
The changes to warrior don't affect me that much. I had fun playing warrior so far, and from the look of it, I will continue to have fun playing with it.

"A Realm Reborn Reborn"
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Originally Posted by RopeDrink

Bzzzzt. There are actually less Healers than Tanks last I checked […]

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If this is true, then every DR would have AIN Healer instead of AIN Tank 90% of the time or more. Though, I rarely see Healer as AIN in an DR. The only DR that I have noticed that used to go from AIN Tank to AIN Healer during peak NA time was Leveling Roulette. That change was for a very small window, I have noticed, then it went back to AIN Tanks.

Just based on the DR AINs alone, I cannot agree with your point. Even though DR AIN is not necessarily a good measuring tool to use to determine to how many X people play Y roles, it is more solid than “belief”, which goes off of feelings.

Yeah definitely not true that there are less healers, that one holds true in a certain other MMO but here in FFXIV there's a distinct shortage on tanks instead

Sorry for my late answer, I don't go a lot on this website, I will not quote all, but some things to know:
- "[In tank] you are responsible for a wipe if you execute the mechanics wrong"
... Yes, like DPS, like Heals... What's that means? If a dps makes everyone wipe because he prefers do his positionnal instead of the fight's mech, he isn't responsible? Same for a heal?


- "With trash mobs, pulling (making sure you hold aggro when pulling), positioning, dodging aoe's"

... See above

- "keep yourself alive with various def cd's and doing dmg while managing your mp requires more engagement from the player than dropping few aoe and dot spells here and there (summoner)"

... Have you ever played summoner before saying that? Like... Really? Is this how you see SMN? And others dps, since you take SMN for exemple?

I'm starting really thinking that people thinking tanking is difficult, at least in FF, are bad dps or bad tank.
I mean, if I take your logic, I could say "It's not difficult to put a CD and keeping the aggro, during moving".
I repeat, I've played tank a lot, both DRK and WAR, I was known to be quite good with them, but telling it's harder than dps or heal... Please, no. Maybe YOU find this hard, but maybe it's because of YOU, not because of the role.
Most of the time, when I do a Trial, or Savage Raid, the problem that I see it's from a dps. Because doing your rota and hard mech isn't so intuitively. People forget that, or, and it seems to be your case since how you're talking of the SMN, doens't even know that.
And you forgot the huge number of dps check, or dps-based mech in the game (see Ravana, Thordan, Shinryu, or Byakku).

I'm not here to say "Hey, Tank is bad and stoopid, stop playing it" but "Dude, tank is now too ez in term of rota, stop making it dull, that will not increase the number of tank in this game, it will surely do the contrary (ex: me)"

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Originally Posted by Azerhan

Sorry for my late answer, I don't go a lot on this website, I will not quote all, but some things to know:
- "[In tank] you are responsible for a wipe if you execute the mechanics wrong"
... Yes, like DPS, like Heals... What's that means? If a dps makes everyone wipe because he prefers do his positionnal instead of the fight's mech, he isn't responsible? Same for a heal?

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https://youtu.be/fE9329flWQY?t=3m1s

Does healer have to manage the enmity in order to keep everyone alive? Does he need to position mobs/bosses so it will not charm anyone with aoe's and give the party boost in damage by exposing mobs backs to them? All mobs you pull you have to maintain enmity with specific abilities, if one will get away it has enough damage to even kill dps or healer.
You cant also pull everythin in sight, you have to know where and when you are able to pull and how much, basing on the healer you have and even on the overall party dps, and that doesnt help the game healers has overpowered heals, if he decide to dps, you die. You cant just pull 5 groups and tank it.
You also have to manage the cd's so it will make the job possible to execute.

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Originally Posted by Azerhan

- "keep yourself alive with various def cd's and doing dmg while managing your mp requires more engagement from the player than dropping few aoe and dot spells here and there (summoner)"

... Have you ever played summoner before saying that? Like... Really? Is this how you see SMN? And others dps, since you take SMN for exemple?

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I dropped it at 40 lvl i remember, it was super boring to play.

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Originally Posted by Azerhan

I'm starting really thinking that people thinking tanking is difficult, at least in FF, are bad dps or bad tank.
I mean, if I take your logic, I could say "It's not difficult to put a CD and keeping the aggro, during moving".
I repeat, I've played tank a lot, both DRK and WAR, I was known to be quite good with them, but telling it's harder than dps or heal... Please, no. Maybe YOU find this hard, but maybe it's because of YOU, not because of the role.
Most of the time, when I do a Trial, or Savage Raid, the problem that I see it's from a dps. Because doing your rota and hard mech isn't so intuitively. People forget that, or, and it seems to be your case since how you're talking of the SMN, doens't even know that.
And you forgot the huge number of dps check, or dps-based mech in the game (see Ravana, Thordan, Shinryu, or Byakku).

I'm not here to say "Hey, Tank is bad and stoopid, stop playing it" but "Dude, tank is now too ez in term of rota, stop making it dull, that will not increase the number of tank in this game, it will surely do the contrary (ex: me)"

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Nothing in this game is difficult, but if we are talking about the in-game stuff, so yes tanks job is the most difficult job to do, not because it is more complicated, but because you have to do it properly and you are being expected to know how to do it, because you guess it, You are in charge. You need ah sorry no, YOU HAVE TO know every run you are doing, every mechanics in certain dungeon or trial in order to beat, if you fail, everyone fail, got it now? You are in charge.
You could get away super easly with bad dps or even play without monitor screen with any duty that does not require a lot of dps, hell you could even die twenty times and use 1 aoe spell it will only make the run longer, it will not fail the run, but you cant be bad as a tank even on medium lvl, because you have much much greater impact on the run than dps and you are expected to know the mechanics, know where the treasures are, know the way you are walking trough dungeon and etc because you are in charge.
Tank walks first, not dps, if it would be so easy and pleasure job, there wouldnt be like 9 thousand dps for 1 tank parity, because you guess it, dps is not in charge, you are in charge.
And yes, as a tank you also have responsibility to DPS in this game, not just sunk damage, so you have to manage and maintain tank stances/mp whatever it takes to pull out a decent dps and to survive. How does that compare to dps? Can i take a tank buster without cd and tank stance please, thanks. The level of the difficulty with playing a tank ironically depends on the who you are playing with, the worse party you have, the closer to hell you are, where on the DPS side, if healer and tank does their job, you dont really care.
And god help you, if you decide somehow to do new content/duty you never did as a tank.

I will repeat it again.
You choose the tank, You are in charge for the everything. Now you know why you wait 20 days for one duty as dps.
If tank is as easy and flowers as dps, then these all people are wrong.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-You-Tank-Poll

Tanking itself is not difficult. However, SE continuing to increase potency and damage levels for DPS, while flushing the toilet on tanking abilities and frankly the ability to maintain threat while doing SOME DPS is to say - troubling. It's troubling for me to sit and tank for a group that constantly pulls mobs, won't use threat reduction, and just expect you to 'tank it'. First off, that's a mentality that I will just stand and let you die - but SE did this - not the players. Tanking is turning into a joke. It's not quite there yet in terms of TANKING, but it's certainly heading that direction. That is why you will never have enough tanks in the game - because of the player mentality and expectations, and SE continuing to appease the players who aren't tanking, while ignoring or screwing with tank classes that don't need to be touched.

Tanking is fun - when I can tank. Otherwise, it's the insanely high potency-ridden DPS taking that job from me too - after three flashes in a row, and finally a provoke. That in itself it just flat out stupid to have to do to tank.

Some click better with playing tanks than other roles, though that's a minority.
Plus, often I see that people are the reasons that these roles are less favored.

And sometimes, you just want to enjoy a simple run as a RDM instead of a tank.

I love tanking it is a blast and as others have said its the fact that its up to you to keep the others alive. my lvl 70 war is a blast. i have multiple time ended up being the last one standing with either a red mage or the healer and ended up clearing the boss. it is an absolute thrill to be the one that is a key component to whether or not your group will make it. I know they changed things and it can get frustrating. but the trick is you have to adapt. DRK may be the weakest tank out of the three currently but it is still able to be used if you know what your doing. the trick is with the tank you have to learn the instance that your in. sometimes you cant blindly run in or you will cause a wipe. I for one will admit that I have caused wipes because not knowing the mechanics. you may be one hell of a tank but if you dont know the mechanics you are the weak link.

I remembered yoshida donning the samurai costume at Europe fanfest saying that why they didn't make samurai a tank or introduce tank & healer job in stormblood is because they wanted to balance them.

Well after this i think they should just give us a new tank and healer job instead of a new DPS job because SE suck at balancing them.

"Nothing in this game is difficult, but if we are talking about the in-game stuff, so yes tanks job is the most difficult job to do, not because it is more complicated, but because you have to do it properly and you are being expected to know how to do it, because you guess it, You are in charge."

I disagree because I find lots of things in these games difficult.

Ugh don't tell me there's people in this thread somewhere that want to harp on how non-difficult tank is supposed to be. It's complete nonsense and just comes from people wanting to raise their role on a pedestal.

Just keep this in mind: Tank has to do what all what DPS does, plus anything extra related to their own role. In the cases where a mechanic doesn't affect them, it's very likely the tanks have mechanics just meant for them in the same fight as well. In other fights the tanks has to do everything DPS have to do mechanics wise + aditionals even. Sophia Ex comes to mind. Plus if the tank fucks up it impacts the group as a whole much much more. I could make a list but really, argueing this is pointless.

A really good tank means the group as a whole will be able to better survive during the entire encounter, a really good healer is the same in this, a really good DPS will make the encounter go a little faster and can possibly help utility wise as well. Each brings their own pro's, just be gud and be content with that instead of argueing further over this.

I've only ever played tank classes. (Although I do have a white mage sidejob I've been working on for a while.) It's really not that difficult to succeed in the role. Anyone saying "Run dungeons as a dps first" must have anxiety issues or something. Just play the game and don't think too much about this stuff. If you wipe the group, well, shit happens. Just apologize and try again. If you succeed, accept your comms and thank the group for the fun run. But don't treat the role like it's super special and don't act like you're super special for doing it.

well, only be a MAIN TANK I can look the boss in the eyes.......and politely shouting at the boss.

yeah, playing tank is not that difficult. but on the other hand there is basically no room for mistakes. messing up your cooldown rotation can quickly result in a wipe.

also one of the reasons people don't like to play tank is that tanks act, while DDs and healers react, mostly to the actions of the tank, and thus tanks have the biggest influence on the other people's gameplay - and not many people want to be responsible for the gameplay of 3 to 7 or even 23 other people.

you are pulling too slow, too fast, too big, too small, take too much damage, place the enemys bad, rotating the enemys too much and fucking up the positionals of the meeles, pulling enemys together who spam aoe's, preventing meeles from attacking - or pulling them NOT together... all that has direct influence on your party members gameplay, no matter how easy holding enmity, rotating cooldowns and doing decent damage is - only a few people are willing to have that responsibility.

I am a tank main and the most fun fights for me are the one's where my ot and i have to play off each other. Voking, shirking, shielding, Reprisal-ing, sharing, etc....it's why I love Byakko Ex and Neo Exdeath so much.

It just gives you a level of cooperation you don't have for dps (healer maybe) and when you find your ideal co-tank who can read your mind it's a blast

https://youtu.be/fE9329flWQY?t=3m1s

Does healer have to manage the enmity in order to keep everyone alive? Does he need to position mobs/bosses so it will not charm anyone with aoe's and give the party boost in damage by exposing mobs backs to them? All mobs you pull you have to maintain enmity with specific abilities, if one will get away it has enough damage to even kill dps or healer.
You cant also pull everythin in sight, you have to know where and when you are able to pull and how much, basing on the healer you have and even on the overall party dps, and that doesnt help the game healers has overpowered heals, if he decide to dps, you die. You cant just pull 5 groups and tank it.
You also have to manage the cd's so it will make the job possible to execute.

Wait wait wait, what?
Do you have any issue with your enmity? Even the DRK, which need to use DA on the last attack from the enmity combo, it's so easy to manage enmity. Provoke, Shirk... Shirk! They gave to all tank an abilities to manipulate litterally their own enmity and the enmity from another player! And I see you're playing PLD... This is THE tank of the game, you have a powerfull OGCD to use every 25 sec to take enmity in aoe, a combo to generate aggro (you don't need anything else like DA...)
Positionning mob? It is so hard to put a boss look N? Absolutely not, stop telling those kind of thing, it's not even an argument. It's just pure logic.
And for dj... If you die, np, just pull less. It's not even a problem, since it's just a dj. There is almost no strat or anything else, so there is the question: who cares about dj?

"I dropped it at 40 lvl i remember, it was super boring to play. "

Ok, so you don't have played it. Level 40, in any job, it's not playing that job.

"Nothing in this game is difficult, but if we are talking about the in-game stuff, so yes tanks job is the most difficult job to do, not because it is more complicated, but because you have to do it properly and you are being expected to know how to do it, because you guess it, You are in charge. You need ah sorry no, YOU HAVE TO know every run you are doing, every mechanics in certain dungeon or trial in order to beat, if you fail, everyone fail, got it now? You are in charge.
You could get away super easly with bad dps or even play without monitor screen with any duty that does not require a lot of dps, hell you could even die twenty times and use 1 aoe spell it will only make the run longer, it will not fail the run, but you cant be bad as a tank even on medium lvl, because you have much much greater impact on the run than dps and you are expected to know the mechanics, know where the treasures are, know the way you are walking trough dungeon and etc because you are in charge.
Tank walks first, not dps, if it would be so easy and pleasure job, there wouldnt be like 9 thousand dps for 1 tank parity, because you guess it, dps is not in charge, you are in charge.
And yes, as a tank you also have responsibility to DPS in this game, not just sunk damage, so you have to manage and maintain tank stances/mp whatever it takes to pull out a decent dps and to survive. How does that compare to dps? Can i take a tank buster without cd and tank stance please, thanks. The level of the difficulty with playing a tank ironically depends on the who you are playing with, the worse party you have, the closer to hell you are, where on the DPS side, if healer and tank does their job, you dont really care.
And god help you, if you decide somehow to do new content/duty you never did as a tank.

I will repeat it again.
You choose the tank, You are in charge for the everything. Now you know why you wait 20 days for one duty as dps.
If tank is as easy and flowers as dps, then these all people are wrong.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-You-Tank-Poll"

False. Completely false.

A job is not hard because you have charges. It's hard if those charges are hard to do. Or, facing a mob correctly, using CD not like a retard, this isn't what I call "hard". I've begining tank with DRK 30, it sounds logic to me to place the add/ boss to not face the ppl with who I am, and that wasn't hard at all. Again, if you find that hard, maybe the problem is not the role.
The really hard thing in tank is do big dmg while doing mech. But this is the same thing as dps: you have to know by hard the whole fight AND your spell. So this isn't an argument for the tank.

If we have more dps than tank, it's because the gameplay for tank is limited. You can't have so much tank rotation without repeat the same, look the 3 tanks we have, they almost look the same in a lot things.
But all dps are differents. You don't play SAM, DRG, RDM, SMN or MCH the same way at all. If you've played it, you'll know it.

In fact, you're thinking like a beginner. Maybe you are, so you're all excused, but if not, you need to play other jobs than tank, because you don't know anything about dps or heal.

I main paladin. But I typically only ever tanks raids or trials because dungeons are all boring.

Tanking gets boring though because most encounters are so predictable. Incoming tank buster. Smack. Ok 90 seconds till the next one... till then nothing to worry about.

90 seconds later oh look tank buster. What a surprise.... mitigate. 90 seconds till the next one....

It's such a boring thing and it's why tanks spend so much time in dps stance because there's no risk of getting hit in that 90 seconds.

If I had a big enough aggro lead I swear there's fights where I could eat a tank buster and go afk and make a sandwich or something as long as I'm back in 90 seconds to mitigate the next tank buster all is golden

Well I tried playing PLD, even got as high as lev 37, but since I've never played tank before I get very nervous. I watch the videos before going in the dungeon, but trying to remember the mechanics, keeping an eye on aggro, and making sure the dps has enough room to do their attacks, trying to remember which way to go, is sometimes a little to much. Also been looking at future dungeons like the hard and the ex, I just don't think I can handle it. It looks like I might even have dps problems. IF I had known I was going to have to do all these dungeons over and over and over and....................

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To be honest. The early dungeons arent that hard. Just basically follow the trail of mobs. as for the boss encounters. just make sure the boss is facing away from the DPS and healer. for the most part that should be easy unless the DPS are idiots and spreading so far out. remember the boss will at times throw AOE at the DPS and healer anyway. dont stress out. and do not be afraid to do a small mob pull if your not comfortable doing a big pull. Tanking is pretty simple once you get down your rotation. another thing to remember is your basically controlling the flow of battle. keep calm dont panic. trust your healer and DPS to do their jobs and just do your job holding the aggro

This has always been the case in MMORPGs. It's why virtually every game has to start doling out rewards in the dungeon finder for Tanks and Healers. Most people gravitate towards DPS. They like the firepower those classes bring.

For me, I just don't like melee classes, at all, and I don't like healing all that much. DPS classes are easier to level through the quest grind than Tanks and Healers, as well, even in this game. The support roles only become great once you've gotten past this initial grind, and by that point many players simply don't want to level a new class and/or gear up a different class.

It's because tanking is all the fun of a menial day job with all of the responsibility of a crane operator. Why the heck would somebody want to play the role that is neither rewarding nor particularly fun, but puts a ton of pressure on you not to mess up? It's only natural that there's a very vocal portion of the tank community that wants tanks to basically be blue DPS; the problem is that SE seems to think the solution to this is giving handouts in dailies and making the role completely idiot-proof, and not by balancing the responsibility with more reward.

That being said, the WAR rework was a universal improvement on the job's gameplay if you ask me, and the PLD nerf was necessary (when compared to other tanks).

I've always mained healer and dps (particularly SMN/SCH/RDM/WHM), but recently power levelled PLD from 1 - 70 so I could start farming for the Lion mount...

I have to say, I've never been so bored in my life. I find tanking just hideously clunky and dull. Now, I'm nowhere near an experienced tank, or tried 'difficult' content with it -- but from what I've experienced thus far, it's literally just keeping aggro and popping a cooldown during a tank buster. Tanks rarely get any interesting mechanics aside from a tank swap, so it's obvious that a tank's only form of interest is literally just trying to get higher and higher numbers (it is mine).

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Originally Posted by Aniond

It is a surprise. If you ever played WOW, Everquest, or any other trinity based game then you understand this.

In WOW I tanked for nearly 8 years or so. Not once was my DPS as a paladin or a druid questioned. Alot of people migrated from other MMOS with that same mentality which is their job above else. If you tank you tank, you heal you heal.

Its really that basic.

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Literally this.

Wow, all these people talking about how tanks are "too stressful" or "hard to play", are making me think there's a huge misconception of what tanking is really about. lol

Tanks are actually the LEAST stressful job to play, é because you're actually allowed to mess up! Forgot to dodge a mechanic? Oh that's OK, you have enough HP to afford it. You literally just have to make sure things are hitting you, and that's not hard to do at all. Yes, there are some things you'll have to get used to, such as Provoking and tank-swapping, but that's pretty much it. Knowing a tank buster is coming isn't any different than a mechanic, and despite our rotations not being as interesting as some of the DPS classes (still better than BLM tho), there's still some decision-making for you to do.

Compare that to when I play a DPS. I have to make sure I don't step out of place, or I will DIE! Same with healer. lol People think it's not as stressful, but in a lot of raids, the death of a DPS sometimes results in a wipe as well.

And to everyone who says tanking is just about taking damage and keeping enmity, that's the same as me saying Black Mage is just spamming Fire until your MP runs out, and then casting Blizzard before repeating. Like yeah, if you think that's all there is to it, then OF COURSE tanking is gonna be boring. But there's more to being a Black Mage than just that. Especially if you want to be a GOOD Black Mage. There are other skills you have to use. And that's true with tanking as. This means that until you start trying to deal as much damage as you can as a tank, of course it's going to be boring.

this game is probably the only game where i actually dare myself to play as tank because how easy it is

from the slow pace of the combat which i actually like since i have slow respond time, to the mob encounter even the map layout is pretty basic, follow the road see enemy grab them, aoe enmity, thats it, mobs dead on to the next one.

there is only 1... one problem that stop me from going tank or healer (or even playing this game full time)...

i keep getting disconnected with error 90002, i try everything from port forwarding, anti virus exclude, internet explorer seting and update, win 7 compatibility, run as admin, tweaking ethernet properties... nothing... nothing fix this error!!!

It might be your Internet. Try doing this:

1. Press your Windows key + R. A small window should open.
2. Type cmd and press Enter. A black window should open.
3. Type this into the black window: ping -t www.google.com

Then leave that black window open. Every second, your computer will try to see if it can connect with Google. If for some reason it isn't able to connect with Google, it'll say "request timed out". This means something went wrong with your connection.

Start playing FFXIV, and the next time the game disconnects you, take a look at the black window and see if you got timed out or not.

If you ARE getting timed out, it means there's a problem with your connection.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Alot of people migrated from other MMOS with that same mentality which is their job above else. If you tank you tank, you heal you heal.

Its really that basic.

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"It's really that basic"

It really isn't, as solely healing or solely tanking is neither a practical playstyle nor a desirable one. Nobody wants the tank that does nothing but her enmity rotation and pops cooldowns, because other tanks put in way more work in the DPS department while also being just as proficient at their primary role; the same goes for healers as well, especially given that healer DPS usually boils down to casting one or two spells until you need to re-attach somebody's arm.

Players are rightfully expected to use most of their kits to benefit the party, and purposefully doing otherwise makes someone worse than someone who is simply just bad at the game.

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Originally Posted by Capn_Goggles

"It's really that basic"

It really isn't, as solely healing or solely tanking is neither a practical playstyle nor a desirable one. Nobody wants the tank that does nothing but her enmity rotation and pops cooldowns, because other tanks put in way more work in the DPS department while also being just as proficient at their primary role; the same goes for healers as well, especially given that healer DPS usually boils down to casting one or two spells until you need to re-attach somebody's arm.

Players are rightfully expected to use most of their kits to benefit the party, and purposefully doing otherwise makes someone worse than someone who is simply just bad at the game.

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He's talking about other MMOs, where tanks dont have threat combos, just DPS combos, and doing it well is what gives you high threat.

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since I've never played tank before I get very nervous. I watch the videos before going in the dungeon, but trying to remember the mechanics, keeping an eye on aggro, and making sure the dps has enough room to do their attacks, trying to remember which way to go, is sometimes a little to much.

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TIP: Don't do that for anything other than Savage. As a Healer-Main and Tank on the side, I love delving head-first (blind) into new territory (eg. the latest two dungeons were a treat for the first time, testing myself against the unknown). If you enter such places with a big "Do/Don't" shopping list, you're not only worrying about external perception from others, but internal/self-evaluation as well -- a good Tank/Healer will learn to react on the fly rather than live by any kind of preset list of worries. Sure, it helps to know about exclusive mechanics (and you'd be foolish wading into Savage without any research at all), but 90% of dungeons are literally built around common-sense, to a point where you can often guess what the mechanics are just from a quick-glance. I find this a far better learning method than nervously researching and then entering content with a full-head of 'must remember this/that'.

As tank, you'll get a fair idea of what bosses & trash are capable of relatively quickly, thus your main concern is to ensure they're focusing on you and keeping everything facing away from the group. DPS can move to their optimal positions and won't begrudge you if you have to move due to incoming attacks etc, especially during massive pulls. Most you should do is mention you're new to a place, to which if anything 'out of the ordinary' exists, you can be sure someone will point it out -- but again, as a Healer/Tank main, exploring those things and learning the hard way always got me better results than worrying about screwing something up - because, hey, everyone screw up from time-to-time no matter what role they play.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

It might be your Internet. Try doing this:

1. Press your Windows key + R. A small window should open.
2. Type cmd and press Enter. A black window should open.
3. Type this into the black window: ping -t www.google.com

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i've done this though i ping it to my server (jp elemental), and the ping is fine when i got dc 90002.

check reddit and some people suggest to flush your dns when yout got dc, it probably wont help but i can try i guess

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watch video guide before going into dungeon

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used to do this too (back when i main healer) but after a while i realized that outside endgame raid, the mechanic in this game is really that simple and the game give you an obvious sign of what you need to do.

- glaring tip "enemy will heal when he step on his own puddle"
- enemy skill called "forward march" with puddle everywhere
- enemy give full screen debuff, notice there is item/fruit scatter around
- 3 cannon and a wyvern appear right in front of it
- enemy plant a flag/pole that give him buff or debuff for us on certain radius

some going to fail the mechanic on 1st try but anyone with mmorpg experience (tank or not) will instantly know what he/she should do after that. the rest is just basic rule for tanking, back to wall, avoid red circle, use mitigation skill, etc