Please give alts on the same service account access to the same personal house.

I'd suggest you guys to follow that guide before they fix the hotfixes.

Kind of a shame you can't have all 8 alts share one plot and is limited to 3. (That needs to be fixed and increased BTW)

and allow plot tenants to refresh plots too.

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

I'd suggest you guys to follow that guide before they fix the hotfixes.

Kind of a shame you can't have all 8 alts share one plot and is limited to 3. (That needs to be fixed and increased BTW)

and allow plot tenants to refresh plots too.

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A) What guide?

B) If it's that nonsense with 2 computers or else using the task manager to end the game and log in on a different character, neither worked for me, at all. Character was always logged out, so I think it was already fixed with the thing about logging in on a second client will boot the character from in game. Which is a shame, because I'd love to be able to mail myself stuff. It's quite annoying to have to use my BF's character to hand everything off. Double the work.

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Originally Posted by MizArai

A) What guide?

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4578553

The key seems to be the timing on when to use the task manager. It needs to be while the teleport is casting but before it goes off.

Yeah, I did it as soon as I started the teleport, before I started the teleport and about a second or two after I started the teleport. Every time, my character was logged out. Though I did have to wonder if this is one of those times when having good internet and the game on a SSD is working against me.

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Yeah, I did it as soon as I started the teleport, before I started the teleport and about a second or two after I started the teleport. Every time, my character was logged out. Though I did have to wonder if this is one of those times when having good internet and the game on a SSD is working against me.

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That's unfortunate. :( I can confirm that it wasn't fixed with the thing about logging in on a second client. When you kill the game mid-teleport it leaves the character in a sort of limbo on the way to their destination. Logging in that character will place them at their destination, but until they log in, the game stores them as online at their original location, probably to preserve the integrity of the teleport. Maybe your character is updating too quickly, as you suspect.

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Yeah, I did it as soon as I started the teleport, before I started the teleport and about a second or two after I started the teleport. Every time, my character was logged out. Though I did have to wonder if this is one of those times when having good internet and the game on a SSD is working against me.

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Teleport to another zone, no inter-housing ward transfers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...gk&sh=9d2d91ba is a post that may give you more suggestions.

I think the SSD is loading the zone too fast for you to take advantage of this bug. Another poster with an SSD was also having the same issue.

I have only one question - will SE take some action against players who exploited this bug or not...

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Originally Posted by Madbunny

I have only one question - will SE take some action against players who exploited this bug or not...

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This is not exactly a game breaking glitch and it doesn't give any particular advantage (other than easier inventory management), so I doubt it very much.

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This is not exactly a game breaking glitch and it doesn't give any particular advantage (other than easier inventory management), so I doubt it very much.

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While i agree with you and i agree even more that char. on the same server should share a house this still sounds like exploit. English is my second foreign language so i will quote wiki:

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In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers.

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Maybe i'm wrong so free to correct me. The only way i see SE closing one eye is if they intend to enable such feature in near future otherwise i'm little afraid for my account safety... or if too many people take the advantage then it would be a PR nightmare to punish all those players.

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The only way i see SE closing one eye is if they intend to enable such feature in near future otherwise i'm little afraid for my account safety... or if too many people take the advantage then it would be a PR nightmare to punish all those players.

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SE have turned a blind eye to harmless glitches like this in the past. There's a thread in this housing forum regarding how to make use of placement glitches to put items in places where SE did not intend. Additionally, at one point there was another method to add alts to your friends list that SE obviously also did not intend. They patched that particular glitch but did not punish any players who made use of it. It's up to you if you want to use this method or not; if SE is really not happy with it, they'll likely patch it up in the future. I personally don't see the harm in this, but that's just my opinion.

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I play this game 1 and 1/2 year so i dont know the whole history of how SE reacted in similar situation or did they even make a notice on the forum that players who took advantage should revert back those changes/exploits, e.g. lets say a warning before some GM go ballistic with a ban-hammer. I know traditional/usual things for what you can (and probably will) get banned such as RMT, bots, discrimination, etc... but this is more like a grey zone and the company reaction is specific from game to game.
Anyway thanks for the info, but still undecided what to do.

I keep getting the feeling that they sometimes intentionally implement glitches like that for the players to discover them and mess around with it. Just to see what creativity it brings out of people and maybe also to give them what they want without officially giving them what they want. If you know what I'm trying to say. Else why wouldn't they completely patch out the floating furniture stuff or the add alts stuff? They could have done so already and didn't. I might be wrong but that thought keeps my hopes up :)

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I keep getting the feeling that they sometimes intentionally implement glitches like that for the players to discover them and mess around with it. Just to see what creativity it brings out of people and maybe also to give them what they want without officially giving them what they want. If you know what I'm trying to say. Else why wouldn't they completely patch out the floating furniture stuff or the add alts stuff? They could have done so already and didn't. I might be wrong but that thought keeps my hopes up :)

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I can see that, but I think it's more that, if we've figured out a way to do the thing that they didn't give us but don't mind us having, they don't have to devote dev resources to it. While we all want an easier way to float items (or actual lofts or...) we won't yell quite so loudly for implementation on that score. We'll focus on things they haven't given us, instead xD.

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Maybe i'm wrong so free to correct me. The only way i see SE closing one eye is if they intend to enable such feature in near future otherwise i'm little afraid for my account safety... or if too many people take the advantage then it would be a PR nightmare to punish all those players.

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It was possible in early 2.0 to friend your alts by logging out in an instance. SE closed that exploit, but didn't do anything against those that took advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It was possible in early 2.0 to friend your alts by logging out in an instance. SE closed that exploit, but didn't do anything against those that took advantage of it.

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Ok, thank you for the info.

Has there been anything for this? I'm kind of frustrated that I can't share my own house with my alt. I feel this would take care of a lot of the housing issue in general, too.

It's disappointing that the option to share or switch ownership between your own alts on the same server was not introduced with the big housing changes. :/ This is a must if you are going to lock people into one house per server.

May as well add my vote - and yes, I know I'm necro-ing a thread but it makes no sense not to be able to add my alt to my own estate or add them as a friend to be able to send cash or gear without a middleman.

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May as well add my vote - and yes, I know I'm necro-ing a thread but it makes no sense not to be able to add my alt to my own estate or add them as a friend to be able to send cash or gear without a middleman.

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They've got people on it, no eta.

Yes!!! Please consider this most valuable option, especially since implementing housing limits.
I created alt characters on the same service account a long time ago in the hopes of possibly being able to afford at least one more house in the future. I also created them before I even knew SE was considering housing limitations. I currently have only 1 house on a character I do not play anymore :( My current main active character has surpassed my old main (with the house) in all in-game content including becoming max crafter's. Since changing my main, which I did before the housing limitations were implemented, I have no access to a house anymore, or to cross-gardening for rare crafting mats, or have much interest in doing the seasonal events anymore for housing items, since I don't have a house I can use them in. Sure I have an apartment on my new active main, but it is not the same without the outdoor housing which comes with the privileges of owning a private house. It is extremely frustrating, especially since I pay more for an account which allows more than 1 character, and I have no use for alts anymore. I am holding onto a house I do not even use anymore, since I don't play that character anymore, and I don't want to relinquish the house on my old character and try to buy a new house on the character I am currently playing knowing all the camping issues, restrictions and limitations that may make it impossible for me to even buy a house on my current active character, even if I could.
At least consider the option of allowing those members who pay more for accounts which allow alts on the same service account, to in-game mail to their alts!! Then I could at least use the cross-gardening to grow rare "marketboard expensive" crafting materials on my old alt with the house and in-game mail them to my new active alt or vice versa. As it stands now, I have no interest in my alts anymore, since they are of no use anymore, I am considering letting the house go and converting my account back to a single character only, SE loses the additional money they get from members like myself who pay for and created alts on the same service account because of housing in the first place.
Being more interested in the housing/crafting/gathering sections of Final Fantasy than in high end raiding, having alts for houses I cannot buy make absolutely no sense anymore.

Surprised it still doesn't work this way.

Definitely should be "family homes" as an option, where (much like FC houses) there's a shared main living space and all characters on the same service account get to set up private chambers within the house and can get ownership/editting rights shared. Might actually encourage some of the folk who still have grandfathered multi-houses to consolidate and give up their spares (maybe even offer a consolidation process for them to move rooms in their entirety from the relinquished home(s) to the nominated family home, transfer "can't be moved once placed" items like aetherytes to the family home if caps aren't met, allowing resale of placed items in the relinquished properties, etc. so they aren't losing out as much to further incentivise it). Sure, there's a few who genuinely want to have multiple houses done in different styles, but making it less punishing for folk who just want all their alts to have access to a house (and only did what they could to get that when they were allowed to) would be a good step.

Going to bump this... please let alts share housing. I completely agree that alts shouldn't have their own house as housing is way too limited as is, but sharing a house should be allowed. It's already annoying enough that one can't share items between alts (yes I know the whole using them as retained instead of paying for extra retainers... which I'll never buy) but housing should be the minimum.

Edit: I should add, alts should be co-owners (with a limit of 8 since that's the max characters one can create on a server) not tenants (thus not restricting having actual friends added as tenants). So that the timer on the house also resets when the alt uses the house. I play more on my alts these days than the main since main has everything capped and can't be bothered farming all achievements. Would be nice to not have to log to main just to reset the house timer.

This would certainly cut down on house hunting.

Probably a bit much, but it would be neat if you could see your alt sleeping/idling around if you log out in your house aswell.

I agree! Please let all of my alts act as the house's owner! I've switched mains, but my old main owns my house! I need to keep logging into my alt any time I want to change anything about my house, and I can't teleport directly there. For upgrading my plot, I need to have the gil on my alt, and to do the purchase on my alt. I'd love to not have to worry about that.

(Sure, I could have fantasia'd and name changed the house holder, but they're both different RP characters!)

2 years on and still nothing here, though i think the idea was around since personal housing was a thing.

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Yes please very much, signed +1

Please make this happen.

It's a long overdue change that would help entice a few people to give up their extra houses.

and I would like to add, as when we get that, please remove grandfathering, as now all characters can share same house as well.

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and I would like to add, as when we get that, please remove grandfathering, as now all characters can share same house as well.

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Yeah, let's open up those 20-40 grandfathered houses per server. Can't wait to see half a ward's worth of houses go up for sale, it's gonna be great.

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and I would like to add, as when we get that, please remove grandfathering, as now all characters can share same house as well.

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And watch SE's bottom line plummet because of all the people that would stop paying multiple monthly subs to keep the houses they genuinely worked hard to get at the time. Y'all really need to stop gunning for old house-owners and refocus your sights on that actual issues instead of scapegoats.

Like shell FCs, bots and, twelve forbid, the placard system that you feel you absolutely must camp every second of every day.

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And watch SE's bottom line plummet because of all the people that would stop paying multiple monthly subs to keep the houses they genuinely worked hard to get at the time. Y'all really need to stop gunning for old house-owners and refocus your sights on that actual issues instead of scapegoats.

Like shell FCs, bots and, twelve forbid, the placard system that you feel you absolutely must camp every second of every day.

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Sorry, it is an issue when a select group of players is allowed a privilege that no other players are allowed and, even worse, that privilege locks some of those other players out of content. It's a MMO - everything needs to be accessible to those interested.

SE's bottom line is not going to plummet if they lost maybe a thousand players out of the close to one million playing (assuming the active player base isn't exceeding that number by now). Most of us are adults with past MMO experience. We know things get taken away as developers move a game forward and old systems end up a detriment to their new goals. We aren't always happy about it but we shrug and go back to playing the game.

Most of those affected wouldn't even quit if it did happened. Housing in this game isn't good enough to be the only reason to pay a sub so those players are clearly still enjoying other parts of the game. Otherwise they'd be playing MMOs like ESO and RIFT, which have far superior housing systems when it comes to location options and item placement, or even single player games like The Sims.

I still don't think removing the grandfather clause is a solution that's going to accomplish anything significant in solving the problem, though. Instead of taking houses away, SE needs to improve the system so every player can own multiple houses instead. Add a better instanced system like those other games are using. Keep the existing wards but stop expanding the number. Let those who like the open neighborhood feeling fight for the privilege and risk demolition.

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Sorry, it is an issue when a select group of players is allowed a privilege that no other players are allowed and, even worse, that privilege locks some of those other players out of content. It's a MMO - everything needs to be accessible to those interested.

SE's bottom line is not going to plummet if they lost maybe a thousand players out of the close to one million playing (assuming the active player base isn't exceeding that number by now). Most of us are adults with past MMO experience. We know things get taken away as developers move a game forward and old systems end up a detriment to their new goals. We aren't always happy about it but we shrug and go back to playing the game.

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You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.
Put in a lot efforts on housing plots when majority of players don't even cares about housing.
All of sudden the housing plots becomes a rare resource and you and other people start calling them "people with privilege" and "selfish"......
I don't know.....

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.
Put in a lot efforts on housing plots when majority of players don't even cares about housing.
All of sudden the housing plots becomes a rare resource and you and other people start calling them "people with privilege" and "selfish"......
I don't know.....

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They did it several years ago when housing availability wasn't a problem except on congested worlds. The state of the game has changed since and availability has become a problem on every world.

Yes, that makes them privileged when current players aren't given the same option.

No where did I call them selfish so please don't put words into my mouth.

Nevertheless, if you bothered to reading you would know I don't believe taking those houses away is the right answer to the current problem.

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And watch SE's bottom line plummet because of all the people that would stop paying multiple monthly subs to keep the houses they genuinely worked hard to get at the time. Y'all really need to stop gunning for old house-owners and refocus your sights on that actual issues instead of scapegoats.

Like shell FCs, bots and, twelve forbid, the placard system that you feel you absolutely must camp every second of every day.

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It is not of a matter, no one should be more equal than others, also, I don't mind if people have 10 different accounts and 1 house on each, because then it is legit having 10 accounts you pay for... if you have a load of houses on same account... then you get more than what the player next to you pay for, and also that player cannot get the same options, as that hole in the system has been shot down.

And please.. worked hard for getting a house?.... you can get gil everywhere in this game, and for a serious crafter then this would not be a hard achievement, and especially not if back in the past where it was less open in who, could craft and who could not.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.
Put in a lot efforts on housing plots when majority of players don't even cares about housing.
All of sudden the housing plots becomes a rare resource and you and other people start calling them "people with privilege" and "selfish"......
I don't know.....

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They are getting special treatment by SE, to be kept on allowing having multiple houses, everyone pay for playing this game, and some get special treatment over 1000's of others, I don't understand why you can not see that his is an issue, and also as MMOs in general go, developers put i and take away things all the time from the game, and it should follow the same code of conduct for everyone, when they make it 1 FC and 1 House per account at max.

Also, if worked hard, they can just get the value of the plot(s) paid back to them, and reimbursed the loss, I believe such system already exist with Auto Demolish

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They are getting special treatment by SE

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No they are not. They are keeping what they earned fair and square by following the rules at the time. The decision to grandfather has been made and it'd not going to change because you have a personal vendetta relative to grandfathering. Grandfathered houses are slowly being relinquished as those people quit the game.

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also as MMOs in general go, developers put i and take away things all the time from the game.

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You care to cite examples of all these things developers have taken away from users after they earned them following the rules? I'd like to know what they are.

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You are describing a group of players went to a server that no one wants to go.

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Not really. If you've been around for a long time and I've been since beta, you'll remember how housing wards lay open with tons of housing available. One didn't need to transfer servers to get a house or click on a placard with 10 to 20 others. They simply walked up to the house and bought it. Not sure if is was a money issue or just the fact that housing at that time wasn't really in demand. That changed later. I can even remember mansions remaining open for months. Our FC only rushed to get it's money together after the second to last mansion finally sold in Mist on Siren and we decided we wanted the last one. It took a couple weeks as I recall to raise the additional funds. It's certainly not like it is today where all medium and large houses are gone within the first 5 minutes of servers opening to the community when new wards are released.

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Nevertheless, if you bothered to reading you would know I don't believe taking those houses away is the right answer to the current problem.

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No it not. The issue of housing needs a major fix with not only more wards but better instanced housing alternatives. Once can hope that Ishgard has more that just an additional housing area with more wards and that at the least apartments will get a major revamp including multiple sizes and and more item slots. Being able to share a house with alts is long overdue and the decoupling of workshops to GC should all come packaged with the release.

The game has become increasingly popular and the housing situation needs major work. The addition of deliciated servers for housing which have yet to arrive and be installed perhaps offers hope that many thing will perhaps change for the better. We can try and be optimistic but I'm not going to be surprised if nothing changes other than additional wards.

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No they are not. They are keeping what they earned fair and square by following the rules at the time. The decision to grandfather has been made and it'd not going to change because you have a personal vendetta relative to grandfathering. Grandfathered houses are slowly being relinquished as those people quit the game.

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I also worked hard for getting all the cross class buffs when it was needed for whatever class, even disliking playing some of it... and now updates and patches and expansions later I don't got my beloved flash or anything down those lines, because the developers took it away from me... it is the exact same scenario.... they made the PvP mode the feast bad when they made it 4v4 vs 8v8.... give us back what we used to have devs... they removed the original Diadem in favour of the new one... I used to go and farm whatever materials of age there, but no more... give me that back developers...

These things are the exact same things, people worked for and worked hard on a lot of stuff, people should have the same rights as the one next to them, if no one else can own more than 2 plots for use, then why should a few people if not many have special rights, it is at that standpoint we are at, and it is that you never actually answer... why is the grandfathered persons account more valueable then the one who has not been so much, why do you never answer that question.. it say clear in the ToS and I say very CLEAR that gameplay may change over time as well as requirements to play the game... then tell my why should it not stick to this? The 'having worked hard argument' is getting really old.