Final Omega Tier Final Fantasy Villian Predictions

what people are forgetting as well has the 5,6,7 combo the raids of this type during the last 2 raids of this type we have always fought the raid host on the very last fight in the series

Binding coils of Bahamut = Bahamut Prime
Alexander = Alexander Prime
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Omegascape 4.0 (<- ok i'm just guessing this will be the name) = Omega Prime

Well that would leave room for Jenova and Sephiroth being 2.0 and 3.0

but in the same breath (and if SE are being cheap)

1.0 - Bahamut Prime
2.0 - Alexander Prime
3.0 - Ultima Prime
4.0 - Omega Prime

or we might get

1.0 - Omega prototype
2.0 - Omega delta
3.0 - Omega Sigma
4.0 - Omega Prime

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

and yes I want sephiroth why you guys scared of getting your butt kicked by sephiroth like he did in kingdom hearts ahahaha.

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Because Sephiroth is such an over saturated villian, used time and time again just because VII was the breadwinner of the FF franchise.

EDIT: People are also forgetting that Stormblood may extend well beyond just 4.5, in that we might not see the conclusion of the Omega raid cycle with 4.4.

To everyone who says they'll be adding Sephiroth cause, "they are going in order" or he is "iconic" those arent good enough reasons to include him.

First they already had a Sephiroth inspired villian in the form of "Nael" and although I never played 1.0, I've heard "he" was Sephiroth to a T. Also we have Sephirot. It was explained that Exdeath is a children's fable, but in the world of FFXIV Sephirot as a primal existed; how would they hand wave his existance if someone with his "name" exists already.

Second, Sephiroth is not the most iconic villian in the series, he is just the most know; as someone said earlier, even non-fans of FF know him, that does not mean he's iconic in the series as a whole. FFVII as a whole was righg place right time. Anyway, we are getting the most iconic villian this patch. While VII gets a lot of hype VI is the series fan favorite. And for what I hear, cant say much since I havent played it, the only villian that rivals Kefka, is XV's, Izunia.

Lastly, if they are going in order, someone pointed out that VII had the most weapons in the series. Using the weapons would be the best use of VII in my opinion.

If we're going to take the PSX's games into consideration, I'd say that VIII would be the best choice. Ultimecia's Castle is just too epic. Imagine fightning Ultimecia throughout all their 4 phases: Ultimecia, Griever, Griever fused with Ultimecia and then her final form. I think it's more epic than Sephiroth. Ultimately, I think IV would be a way better fit than VII and, to add to this, IV's music is amazing.

For Christ sakes, am I the only one feeling that Sephiroth does not have any pinch of charism?

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Also we have Sephirot.

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Sephirot has absolutely nothing to do with Sephiroth. Sephirot is based off one of the three bosses in Kefka's tower you fight before you reach Kefka.

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Originally Posted by TheLittlestLala

Sephirot has absolutely nothing to do with Sephiroth. Sephirot is based off one of the three bosses in Kefka's tower you fight before you reach Kefka.

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Besides which we literally have Halicarnassus (Haukke HM) and Halicarnassus (Deltascape 3.0) already. Precedent has been set. Who's to say that the legends of Exdeath aren't based on Sephirot either, as both are trees from ancient times?

Good Job Square Enix judging from the comments on this topic a lot of people are scared of sephiroth.

They don't want to lose badly from him they even go as far as not wanting him to be added cause they want to avoid him at all cost.

By the way for all of you who keep saying it don't make sense.

Neither does having clouds body armor from advent movie be in the game or squalls armor.

Terra's theme on the magitek armor that doesn't even look like her robot suit.

I could say a lot but because this game is a nostalgia beast which maybe you have been in the dark about it because you think that it shouldn't happen.

Not up to you never will be up to you its up to the devs and if they put it out and you don't like it well too bad for you I will enjoy it while you wander the forums bringing up how much it makes you upset.

Honestly, I hate trailers with "teasers" that are actually serious spoilers. Now that I know Kefka will be in Sigmascape, likely as the final boss, all I can think about now is how awesome it'd have been to NOT know this beforehand. I feel robbed of an epic moment. A moment that I could have only experienced once. Of course, I could not have watched the trailer and I usually avoid them. But I just happened upon wanting to watch the live letter to see general changes and QoL updates, since they are very significant changes coming in 4.2 and ended up watching that trailer since it was the first thing they showed.

I guess this has been the norm for so long now though with the live letters before patches, it's just "routine" reveals to build hype and draw players back in and maybe some new ones. However, I believe some things are best kept quiet until they are released, you can reward players way more with something special by simply not giving it any attention. I guess ultimately it was my error though, it was my curiosity to just watch the Live Letter that led to this. But, in future, I just wish they'd give a warning during the live letters or something...honestly I don't know how to put it for SE PR/Marketing team. I doubt they care about such a minor thing as a possible spoiler, I'm sure they think more along the lines of "Oh my god guys, look what we have now! Look!". I'll just be way more careful in future, but it can be hard to avoid even when I'm playing in-game trying to avoid it, someone would have likely commented about it in the almost 2 week period after the Live letter/Trailer. Anyway, ranty, ranty, rant, rant over.

Way I see it, so far this is the FFV/FFVI/FFXI reference expack since it's been mostly focusing on references from those games. We've done the FFV wing of Omega(which itself is an FFV reference), we're doing the FFVI wing of Omega, which means the one after might be the FFXI wing. In which case, I'd love to see, probably in this order:

1: Kam'lanaut & Eald'Narche (Apocalypse Nigh)
2: Promathia (Dawn)
3: The 5 Ark Angel fight (Divine Might)
Then probably Omega Prime. Or, if as Eriyn suggested, it goes beyond 4.5 and has another segment of Omega afterwards, I'd probably replace #3 with Lady Lilith(Maiden of the Dusk) and push the 5 Ark Angels to the 4th position.

That would satisfy the raging FFXI fan in me.

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Originally Posted by Spiriel_Basanda

Way I see it, so far this is the FFV/FFVI/FFXI reference expack since it's been mostly focusing on references from those games. We've done the FFV wing of Omega(which itself is an FFV reference), we're doing the FFVI wing of Omega, which means the one after might be the FFXI wing.

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Yeah I went to look up which games originally featured Omega as a hidden or superboss without being added in a remake. After V it was XI, XII, XIII-2, and XV. Omega Weapon usually is technically different but with the inclusion of VI in the next raid tier they could be giving themselves wiggle room to include games that don't actually have THE Omega in them. A nod to XI's fight would be very fun to have to in one of the final tier's fights for sure and would much prefer them grabbing from multiple games for the last hoorah instead of just a single one again

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Good Job Square Enix judging from the comments on this topic a lot of people are scared of sephiroth.

They don't want to lose badly from him they even go as far as not wanting him to be added cause they want to avoid him at all cost.

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Are you literally a child? "Ooh you don't want Sephiroth because you're all scawed of him" There are just as many reasons to not include VII in the last tier beyond a single fight as there to include it. And while I understand people have the biggest appreciation for Ol' Sephy some of the comments want him to overshadow the actual focus of the raid's storyline because reasons.

That'd be like Gaius coming back from the dead to backstab the Emperor and claim Garlemald at the end of SB cause "he was SO COOL back in the day". Don't you dare btw SE

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Good Job Square Enix judging from the comments on this topic a lot of people are scared of sephiroth.

They don't want to lose badly from him they even go as far as not wanting him to be added cause they want to avoid him at all cost.

By the way for all of you who keep saying it don't make sense.

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Can you quote the people saying all that? because your opinion seemed based on unexistant responses just to have an "argument". For me, Sephiroth is just an overrated villain when there are better villains that can be used and look more epic. The same opinion extends to Final Fantasy VII as a whole. Good game but extremely overrated mainly because it was the first FF that people played.

No one is afraid of that skinny long haired guy. Even his "one-winged angel" form isn't scary at all. Zemus into Zeromus is scarier than him.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Can you quote the people saying all that? because your opinion seemed based on unexistant responses just to have an "argument". For me, Sephiroth is just an overrated villain when there are better villains that can be used and look more epic. The same opinion extends to Final Fantasy VII as a whole. Good game but extremely overrated mainly because it was the first FF that people played.

No one is afraid of that skinny long haired guy. Even his "one-winged angel" form isn't scary at all. Zemus into Zeromus is scarier than him.

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Overrated as he may be he is still apart of the final fantasy universe and in my opinion one of the best bosses besides kefka.

Also ends up in movies, also has a anime also has made cameo's in other games and has a huge fan base you might not like that idea but just like your opinion matters others do as well and as for Zemus boss was weak and never left a mark in my memory as someone special.

some did some didn't.

I mean you might not even like my comment it was just a fun thing to say and you get worked up about it.

Now that I think about it, I'd love if for the final tier Omega pulled heroes for us to fight instead since the heroes always win in their tales. And he's all about testing strength to find the ultimate challenge right? Though I suppose it could be inferred heroes and villains are being tested in the various areas at the same time as we are

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Originally Posted by TheLittlestLala

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I think my reasoning was slightly lost. I wasn't saying don't do it cause they are the same, I was saying don't do it cause the names are too similar. Though as the next person commented SE can hand wave it, like with Halicarnassus.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

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Truthfully, I forgot this handwave. But while it could be considered an afterthought, how they explained it could be perceived as acceptable. Handwaving Sephirot and Sephiroth just feels like to would ne too iffy. Not saying they can't do it, but I'd rather they not try.

I find it funny that on 30th we'll get kefka here and on february mobius will have sephiroth with a FF7 crossover redux

Whatever happens it's going to be huge. Ridiculous precedent with Exdeath and Kefka in the first two tiers. Tough act to follow in the next expansion raid series without coming up with a new lore-bending reason to bring in final bosses from other games like FF VIII's Ultimecia.

I'm pretty certain it will be Sephiroth given that we got V, and VI representation now. Sephiroth will not be the final encounter though because we need to make room for Omega and Omega prime.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Plus omega weapon was in FF7 just dirge but still can pull data on sephiroth.

This means it was in the world of ff7 just because cloud and them didn't fight him he was in that world.

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Omega weapon =\= Omega
In technicalities Omega weapon is with the weapon category of monsters like ultimate weapon, Omega is a robotic monster that travels the void to hunt shinryu

If we are going by the next proper cannon introduction of Omega then the next tier would be based on final fantasy XI or XII or XIII

If we take into the “tales of yore” it is following we could have FF1 since Omega was added into the anaversiry version of the game meaning we could fight chaos the first final boss of final fantasy

(Can’t edit on mobile so adding In the bit I had to take out for text limet)

Besides they are seemingly aiming for the most iconic and I have the strongest feeling that the final or next tier is going to be heavily influenced by both FF1 or FF2 since both games arguably are the most influential on all of final fantasy one setting up the staple and the other basicly telling them what not to do (though I like FF2 I would love to fight emperor of heaven and hell)

I actually have zero interest in fighting Omega so I personally hope it subverts previous raid chains and has the final fight be something else.

Also, for people who keep mentioning Sephirot and Sephiroth, just stop. There's no need to handwave anything. They purposefully misspelled it to differentiate the two. Even in Japanese the primal's name is "セフィロト," Sefiroto. Sephiroth is "セフィロス," Sefirosu. Instead of a handwave they would most likely crack a bad joke about how similar their names are.

I'm still selfishly hoping for a FFX crossover in some regard, personally.

was't Zenos as close to sephiroth as you can ask for in this game? And with honestly better characterization? They have the same build and weapon type after all. I'm not even sure why people care for him so much, he's really a bland villain overall.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

was't Zenos as close to sephiroth as you can ask for in this game? And with honestly better characterization? They have the same build and weapon type after all. I'm not even sure why people care for him so much, he's really a bland villain overall.

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As Enkidoh mentioned on the first page, XIV already had its version of Sephiroth with Nael in 1.0. But people want fanservice and VII is a lot of people's first major RPG or first FF so they want their favorite villain in. Zenos was a different flavor of sociopath

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

was't Zenos as close to sephiroth as you can ask for in this game? And with honestly better characterization? They have the same build and weapon type after all. I'm not even sure why people care for him so much, he's really a bland villain overall.

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Because dat bad ass sword and he's soooo cool!

I actually have no idea why either. I'm not exactly a FFVII "hater" but I have my issues with the main hero and villain.

I mean he goes from being a normal, OP soldier to a psychopath over night basically. I get it, you were some sort of science experiment. Still doesn't explain why you kill off an entire village. I'm assuming people will use JENOVA's influence or some such as an excuse. But still, he doesn't really have much motivation outside "poor me" and "mommy".

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Because dat bad ass sword and he's soooo cool!

I actually have no idea why either. I'm not exactly a FFVII "hater" but I have my issues with the main hero and villain.

I mean he goes from being a normal, OP soldier to a psychopath over night basically. I get it, you were some sort of science experiment. Still doesn't explain why you kill off an entire village. I'm assuming people will use JENOVA's influence or some such as an excuse. But still, he doesn't really have much motivation outside "poor me" and "mommy".

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Maybe someone more versed in VII lore could explain it cause to me it seemed like each addition to the VII story just muddled it further and overcomplicated what I thought was a fairly simple story in the main game.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

was't Zenos as close to sephiroth as you can ask for in this game? And with honestly better characterization? They have the same build and weapon type after all. I'm not even sure why people care for him so much, he's really a bland villain overall.

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FFVII was a much more important game to the Final Fantasy franchise than you give it credit.
No, it hasn't aged as well as others in the series, but it's nostalgia. I think Cloud and Sephiroth are pretty boring as characters, but both are deeply entrenched into FF canon and iconography.

How else would so many players notice the first boss of Ala Mhigo is based on the first boss of FFVII?

Seems like Omega doesn't need to appear in a FF series to take the boss OR Omega = Omega Arma

The Omega we're trying to stop in FF14 got the same style in some FF, but not every FF... And this one doesn't appear in FF6. So i suppose i was correct to say that Omega is Omega Arma (cause there is a Omega Arma in FF6)

So, trying to predict the futur boss is quite hard... but Fun !

If we suppose that Omega take boss from FF series from FF5 and FF6, their no reasons we can't have a FF7 Pack of Boss.

But one things is sure, The last boss will be Omega. So we got 3 Boss before him.

I suppose we get the Diamond, Rubis and Emerald Weapon, Cause we can fight 4 Weapons in FF7.

But in FF14, the Ultima Arma is already dead, so get the 3 last weapons won't be impossible (And this could be quite interresting)

I think it would be cool to fight Sephiroth.

I am really wanting to hear "Still more fighting/Those who fight further" in Soken's style all of a sudden.

well if you want to take a fight from FFXI I would with "One to be feared" for one of the fights in the last set of the Omega raid (OK this might be a little rough being a 3 stage fight, and you might have to swap the last 2 mobs around)

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Originally Posted by Oscura

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Both Sephirot and Sephiroth are correct "English" transliterations of the Hebrew word, the plural form of Sephirah.

Here is an image to show that the original concept name was "セフィロス," Sefirosu, not "セフィロト," Sefiroto.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20121231151609

As you said the spelling change was most likely intentional, but probably to avoid another issue similar to what happened when the Crystal Tower was being released, the issue with "タイタン" vs "ティターン" as both would/could be Titan to an English audience; Audial cues for western languages vs Visual cues for Eastern languages.

The image might open too small to see you just click on it in the wikia page and you'll be able to see it better.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...al_Fantasy_VI)

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Both Sephirot and Sephiroth are correct "English" transliterations of the Hebrew word, the plural form of Sephirah.

Here is an image to show that the original concept name was "セフィロス," Sefirosu, not "セフィロト," Sefiroto.

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It is less about correct english translations and more just that it has nothing to do with adding Sephiroth to the game. Hebrew does not exist in FFXIV.

"I don't want Sephiroth in FFXIV," is fine, but having to read constant, "but nael," "but sephirot," "but zenos," is getting tiring. No one needs to justify their opinion.

I'm going to be different and hope it's Genesis from FFVII Crisis Core >.>'

And just because each prior raid series has stuck to 3 tiers, doesn't mean Omega has to. Aren't people wishing they break some moulds? I figure they'll pull each stage/boss straight from Dissidia as they did Ex Death (right down to the model).

Using any of the bosses from FF7 and above would be utterly retarded in my opinion, especially Sephiroth, the most basic, one dimensional villain in the series. It's bad enough to not come up with original bosses for content. The only reason I feel Kefka and other past Final Fantasy bosses get a pass is because they were in 2D with no current plans to make those games into remasters/remakes.

In my opinion, there is a high chance that the last part of the raid revolve more around the lore of omega from FF14, (considering there won't be a 4th wing to this raid).
For now we know that Omega is interested in the "heroes" who wakes in time of dire stress, so maybe, instead of fighting antagonists we could be confronted to heroes from previous FF or even have a return from the others warriors of darkness.
If you pay attention to the lore told in Rhalgr Reach with the allagan thingy next to Jesse and Alpha, it is told that Omega was found damaged more than it should be, impliciting some fight before her fall. We also know Midgardsorm and Omega already met in distant past, so it would not be unlikely to have Omega having us facing one of the most powerfull foe she ever encountered, aka Midgardsorm himslelf.
So if I think about it I would say:
V9s : random Omega thingy
V10s : Warriors of Darkness/other hero from a previous FF
V11s : Midgardsorm
V12s: Omega

I thought we were going to stick to I or IV since they, along with V, were the FF titles--albeit in expanded versions--where we saw Omega (not Weapon). We ended up with some more VI fanservice, as much as I love VI (my favorite FF even), and will be dealing with Kefka, who may or may not do some fourth-wall breaking shenanigans.

Honestly, I thought a certain dead someone was going to be brought back and start Kefka-ing it up for being so unstable (in addition to his old personality), but I digress.

If Kefka in Sigmascape doesn't manage to create a harrowing plot twist that overpowers Omega in some way then my guess is we're going to see some of IV next since that was part of the holy FF trinity of the SNES golden era. Prepare to journey to the Moon.

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Originally Posted by Ash_

I'm going to be different and hope it's Genesis from FFVII Crisis Core >.>'

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Genesis, reciting snippets of "Loveless", would be a fitting alternative!

I bought a PSP way back when, for the sole and only reason, to play "Crisis Core".

Personally, I wouldn't want Sephiroth here ...yet. We've been fanserviced big time with Exdeath and now Kefka. If Sephiroth were to make an appearance, I would hope they held off on him, at least in this expansion. If Sephiroth were to be an enemy, let him be a part of a different raiding patch that includes other iconic superbosses like Garland. I'm of the idea to have FF8 be next, because it seems like we're headed to Garlemald regardless and that area honestly has some potential with some of the FF8 bosses being in Garlemald. Fighting a constantly reviving X-ATM092 could be fun.

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Originally Posted by Powe

nope, it'll be ending with 4.55 most likely

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That would mean that the Relics have a shorter questline or shorter time to finish than previous relics have had. Since SB relics wont be released until the .25 patch atleast. If they want to stick to the same amount of patches to finish the Relics as before, I'd imagine this xpac being extended.

Won't it be Sephiroth in 4.3, someone from FF8 in 4.4 and Kuja in patch 4.5? or nah...?