Could we please get the Cliffhanger GATE mechanic inside of a dungeon?

A dungeon should be as much about exploration as it is combat. It can be completely linear but still have segments that don't revolve around combat - so a jumping puzzle as a 'boss' would be a great way to mix things up a bit. Just make it so that only one person needs to succeed to win the encounter and that leaves a lot of wriggle room for people who loathe anything outside of the norm/can't succeed at jumping puzzles.

That's a fair compromise. I'm not even particularly in favor of jumping puzzles but anything that isn't just "pull everything from point A to point B and aoe ad nauseum" would be a welcome change. That small dip near the end of Shisui was nice. The 3 different routes in Rabanastre are probably the most interesting part of what would otherwise be just another alliance raid. . . Something is better than nothing, though players would have to accept that it perhaps takes just a little more time.

Might be interesting if failing/ignoring a mechanic in an early boss fight or area affects a boss fight/area later.

As much as I'm for unique challenges and such in a dungeon, I loathe jumping puzzles. With my limited vision and depth perception, they are a time-consuming nightmare.

I wouldn't mind it, considering every dungeon in the game is the same old corridor with mobs in the way with 3 bosses, something to break the monotony would be quite nice, since I also really enjoy Cliffhanger.

They would certainly have to tune the game better for it though, as someone who has not only climbed Kugane Tower several times and even got that blasted lamp post one, the game has such woefully bad detection on floors and stuff, like, most of the time when I am climbing Kugane I am standing on thin air and that can throw off a lot of your jumps, giving it a layer of fake difficulty.

Honestly, fresh new ideas are welcome, there is no reason to get excited for new dungeons since they will be the same old slog with no new surprises, give Bardam's Mettle some credit, the second boss was a nice breath of fresh air, wouldn't mind another one of those frankly.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

As amusing as this sounds..... "jumping puzzles" is a thing that many people do not like.....unless I'm wrong...I just happen to know this is a "thing" - (Veteran Destiny 1 Gamer)

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Does anyone remember the hysteria that took place when people discovered the Pitioss Ruins in Final Fantasy XV?

I loved it, i DO NOT want that in an MMO.

I love JPs, but I really don't think they should be implemented into dungeons in any way that affects the actual progress of it.

If they wanted to add something, maybe add a small JP at the end of the run for a bonus chest or something.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I love JPs, but I really don't think they should be implemented into dungeons in any way that affects the actual progress of it.

If they wanted to add something, maybe add a small JP at the end of the run for a bonus chest or something.

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Thats a great idea.

Having to dodge bombs that knock you back and off an edge while fighting trash mobs as you are running up a tunnel or something!? Woah there friend! This sound like A Dungeon that needs an (Extreme) tag! ;D

But I'd be all for "Extreme" dungeons. You know we've NEVER had an extreme dungeon? They could be so fun, they'd probably be more fun than raids LOL. I'd have to explain what an extreme dungeon could be though, 4-man, 8-man etc etc. But I'm Lazy and hungry, bye~

I actually thought adding a jumping puzzle at the beginning of the dungeon that takes you right to the boss and has two chests (that mimic bosses 1-2) right before the boss encounter would be awesome. Seeing how i have climbed the tower and landed on the lamppost several times and I do it almost weekly just to see if my skills are still good I would love this. Have it also enable the shortcut function once get to the chests so that not everyone has to do the jump puzzle. It would allow groups that didn't want to attempt it to still complete the dungeon while those jumpaholics like me to have some fun and provide an incentive to do it besides just a chest.

No thanks. Not a fan of jumping puzzles. They are ok for optional content but not dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Riko_Futatabi

You know we've NEVER had an extreme dungeon?

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The closest we've ever come to this, is just one boss from Praetorium with Ultima Weapon, thanks to the Minstrel's Ballad.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

To me, that was just another pull wall like all those rubble piles that mysteriously vanish when mobs are dead. There was zero engagement in it involved, you could simply auto-run your way through without even steering. Didn't have to think about the path or when to use what either.

I'd rather just have the tank pull more than get a "puzzle" in which there is only one hole and only one piece which fits the hole no matter how it's rotated. Even my AoE rotation is more engaging than that >_>

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I didn't say the mechanic itself was a puzzle, just something different that could be applied to a puzzle rather than the horrendous crapshoot that is "jumping" in FFXIV.

I think adding new mechanics to dungeons is a great idea but I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have to wait on someone who just couldn't do a jump puzzle to progress through the dungeon..
(Secretly knows it would be me that couldn't do it xD)

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Originally Posted by Quinna

I think adding new mechanics to dungeons is a great idea but I can't imagine how frustrating it would be to have to wait on someone who just couldn't do a jump puzzle to progress through the dungeon..
(Secretly knows it would be me that couldn't do it xD)

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That's where the suggestion to make it so that there is a switch that opens up a gate for stairs/ramp that people who can't do the puzzle can use comes in.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

That's where the suggestion to make it so that there is a switch that opens up a gate for stairs/ramp that people who can't do the puzzle can use comes in.

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Oh man, yes. LOL Please press the switches for me! T3T
I still haven't seen the top of Kugane Tower!!

If not jumping puzzles at least some form of verticality that requires jumping. Too many dungeons are just flat hallways. A good example of having lots of verticality is both versions of Pharos Sirius.

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You got lost in a section that's still quite linear and just decided to not try anymore? Wow, I'm surprised you don't get lost warping back. . .

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I eventually found the way through, just not fast enough to make it to the 3rd boss. Like I said, the map was unhelpful in determining where to go and it was difficult to see where the right way to go was, either because the water there is murky or because there was glare on my screen, I don't know. Regardless, your attempt at a sarcastic retort is unhelpful and unnecessary.

It's more like there is no reason to run through that area over and over again when I can just warp back, go make a sammich, then just warp to the 3rd boss.

jumping puzzles are bad for people who suffer from motion sickness. Whenever I attempt them, I feel like I'm about to throw up after only 5 minutes.

For the idea of only 1 person being needed to progress, I would add that it should be faster if everyone helps, to discourage afk. Could be a few switches to reach in different places. Possible to solo, but faster if people spread and get the different ones simultaneously.