What is a 'bad player'?

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

I'm sorry but i have to disagree, Do you remember you are playing with the other 7 people? does taking at your own pace means you have to keep sucking when you can clearly improves better but choose not to? You taking at your own pace is a hindrance for another 7 people you play with.

You know what happened when you are a hindrance? nobody invites you to stuff and then you will ends up whining that this game doesn't have anyone to do stuff with.

This isn't offline game and shouldn't be treated as one, you are playing with another person, and you should take that into your consideration. Feel free to find the people that have the same way of playing as you, but you have no right to whines when you can't find the exact same people that approves the way you take this game.

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This is exactly what the offender in the OP should read and bear in mind as well. It isn't only him, his resourcefulness and experience playing the game either.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

A bad player is one who tips the balance between either an inability to learn the mechanics of gameplay and to apply them efficiently, and/or one you just described.

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Oh god.... The irony in this statement.... coming from this person.... is sweet justice for 2012. My year is complete. Can I have 2013 now?

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

Oh god.... The irony in this statement.... coming from this person.... is sweet justice for 2012. My year is complete. Can I have 2013 now?

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Yeah yeah, Apple. I know we all can't be as good as you think you are.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Yeah yeah, Apple. I know we all can't be as good as you think you are.

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Nope, but we can all spam job abilities, stand in front of mages, and then kill them continually with breath attacks. amirite?

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Originally Posted by Mamba

Lashes, look me up - I am leveling my Archer and I am 15 (or 14, can't remember at the moment) :D

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O-k Mamba. Just a fair warning though, I am veeery casual lol. TBH, I don't pay attention to levels much. I mainly just like to spend time with friends, exploring and having fun. In a way I purposely want to go slow bcause I would like to experience the game brand new when 2.0 is released. Do you think that is a good startegy? Mostly, I am doing crafting and gathering and from time to time level a few DoM or DoW classes to 10 and then 20 and so on. I know what you are thinking, this girl is craazyy!! Well, that's what everybody else says lol. Anyways, even if you are way higher level, we can still explore and gather or craft, and even "gasp" fight every once in a while ... or whatever lol. It's all about having fun doing whatever. Anyways, ttyl. Have fun!:)

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

Nope, but we can all spam job abilities, stand in front of mages, and then kill them continually with breath attacks. amirite?

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Oh, is that when someone else was supposed to be tanking? Besides, that shit is soooo old. Like, back when Raging Strike > Provoke.

Are we going to also remember that I first brought up strats for killing Dodore, Incapping Haughtpox and to some degree, Mosshorn? (And I'll go ahead and mention that I did use Obsess on Dodore once, for good reason) :P

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Oh, is that when someone else was supposed to be tanking? Besides, that shit is soooo old. Like, back when Raging Strike > Provoke.

Are we going to also remember that I first brought up strats for killing Dodore, Incapping Haughtpox and to some degree, Mosshorn? (And I'll go ahead and mention that I did use Obsess on Dodore once, for good reason) :P

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Yeah, cause you need to use 15 abilities before you WS as a DD. So good! I'm happy you put up foresight before you use a ws, like you wanted to tank. I thoroughly enjoyed your excuses for killing mages. The popcorn-ability of it was perfectness embodied.

A thread with a bad player (from lack of playing because of RL schedule) being lectured from a bad player who is just bad with posts of encouragement from another bad player, is by far the best thread ever.

P.S. I have never fought either of those monsters with you. You left from paranoid delusions before then. Anyway, I was too busy trio/duoing Dodore, so what strategy did you give me there exactly?. Incapping Haughtpox does nothing. Uh, everyone already knew to get horns from a goat, you have to incap the head. Why are you attempting to take credit for something you had nothing to do with? That group never would have killed Dodore without me, Ham, Maya, and Beeps. umad?

Baddies will be bad.

I like where this is going.

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

Yeah, cause you need to use 15 abilities before you WS as a DD. So good! I'm happy you put up foresight before you use a ws, like you wanted to tank. I thoroughly enjoyed your excuses for killing mages. The popcorn-ability of it was perfectness embodied.

A thread with a bad player (from lack of playing because of RL schedule) being lectured from a bad player who is just bad with posts of encouragement from another bad player, is by far the best thread ever.

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Put up Foresight? If I wanted to tank, I'd use a hate-generating ability like uhh, Taunt? It's funny that you blame me for being a PGL and doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Can't really blame me for bad tanks and/or broken battle mechanics. However, I can blame you for not having Stoneskin up and/or getting your ass outta the way.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Can't expect everyone to be a constructive person, so the one way to deal with ass(es) is to take their flaming douchebaggery as a motivation to be better than them.




I'm sorry but i have to disagree, Do you remember you are playing with the other 7 people? does taking at your own pace means you have to keep sucking when you can clearly improves better but choose not to? You taking at your own pace is a hindrance for another 7 people you play with.

You know what happened when you are a hindrance? nobody invites you to stuff and then you will ends up whining that this game doesn't have anyone to do stuff with.

This isn't offline game and shouldn't be treated as one, you are playing with another person, and you should take that into your consideration. Feel free to find the people that have the same way of playing as you, but you have no right to whines when you can't find the exact same people that approves the way you take this game.

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It's all rights to disagree. Tis' only my opinion on the subject matter.

Even in MMO land, I don't expect anyone to be this veteran that knows how to tank, crowd control, or heal. Or to know most of the terminology. To delve through guides and forums on how to play their class(es), watch a video of an encounter using classes they don't play, or to even keep abreast with patch notes, dev responses, and translations. I do have my expectations of a player, these aren't them.

People that want to win, fast, efficiently, be first, and optimize will find like-minded individuals and stick with 'em. People that take it at their own pace, will similarly find folks in these situations.

Someone who is willing to grow, to adapt, they're trying to get better. They may not pull out all the stops to be the best, but they're giving it an effort to improve.

If seven people used to winning decide to recruit a straggler and lose, they have the option of bringing the straggler up to speed so that they can all win, like true sports. Or they can be poor sports and terminate the straggler after a failed run or two. In the latter case, this sounds like one type of elitist that the OP is talking about.

It's one thing to take the game seriously some of the time, put your game face on, do what it takes to win (videos, guides, leveling up classes to be like the videos to avoid reinventing success), and succeed (thus proceeding to use a subligar like a towel and slap that fabulous roegadyn in the locker room, whoo hoo!!!). Taking the game seriously all the time, that would hinder even my fun. Like riding a chocobo with a small limp beak. Although the size of their beak shouldn't affect their performance as a chocobo, I sometimes question it.

A bad player is a player who has gotten to level 50 via PL and mindless fights from 40+. There are a few bad players in a few of my linkshells....you can tell they were practically PLed all the way to 50 when they are at level 50 or even level 40 and say "please forgive me, i'm new to this lol".

Why is this bad? Because they have no idea how to play the game. They don't know how to properly use combos, how to preserve MP, when to attack, when to hold back, or how to take care of themselves and not completely rely on Conjurers for bufffs and healing. I considered people like this bad players and would rather not party with them. If they can't take the time to play the game and learn to play with their class because they're lazy, I won't waste my time with them.

Btw, I find nothing wrong with PLing, but at least try to get to 50 with one or two of your classes the proper way so you can learn the basics.

lulz you 2 need to get a private room

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

Yeah, cause you need to use 15 abilities before you WS as a DD. So good! I'm happy you put up foresight before you use a ws, like you wanted to tank. I thoroughly enjoyed your excuses for killing mages. The popcorn-ability of it was perfectness embodied.

A thread with a bad player (from lack of playing because of RL schedule) being lectured from a bad player who is just bad with posts of encouragement from another bad player, is by far the best thread ever.

P.S. I have never fought either of those monsters with you. You left from paranoid delusions before then. Anyway, I was too busy trio/duoing Dodore, so what strategy did you give me there exactly?. Incapping Haughtpox does nothing. Uh, everyone already knew to get horns from a goat, you have to incap the head. Why are you attempting to take credit for something you had nothing to do with? That group never would have killed Dodore without me, Ham, Maya, and Beeps. umad?

Baddies will be bad.

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Are you on crack? I still have videos of us doing them!

Haughtpox You're #3 in party list.
Mosshorn Also #3 in the list.

Bee, Maya, and Ham are all there as well. It happened, much more than once. Get off the hard stuff.

The old LS i was in the leader was one of those people, acting like he was the only reason anyone could win a primal fight, than the LS made a party, he came as a healer, and got promptly killed ten seconds into the fight, only thing you can really do is distance yourself from people like that, Elitists are fine if they are actually elites, retarded elitist wannabes are something entirely different and just kill EVERYONE's experience.

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To add, I don't mind playing with bad players, Hell I'm far from being better than average, I've played with people that didn't know you could avoid hedgemogle's eruption by stepping back or Aldgoat's ram by stepping to the side, and they refused to avoid it even after being told, I'd still party with them again because they were all cool people, the only people I have a problem with are those that are absolutely damn full of themselves to the point where they bring down other people in the party, like Tanks yelling DDs not to DD because they're incapable of holding/pulling hate, or Healers yelling at tanks for getting damaged faster than they can regain mana but they don't use any mana recovery skills, etc....

tl;dr it's not how you play, it's what attitude you bring to the mix.

A bad player is someone who doesn't know their class' role in a party. If you are a THM that knows how to play well in a party and you know your role in that specific battle, then you are OK. No one has to "carry" a player who knows their role and how to perform optimally in a specific situation.

That being said, if SE cannot balance a class or job's role in a party for certain battles then we have a problem. Either better balancing must take place (I am waiting for 1.21 to pass judgement, jobs will probably help this kind of behavior) OR SE needs to come out and say, "Look, the point of having the ability to be all jobs is that you need to level all jobs because some jobs just won't work for the battles we are creating." AKA "Level a ARC."

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

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I run Moogle a lot with my Linkshell, and on a few occassions we invited someone from a different LS to come. They would badger the hell out of me about how I like to play LNC at everything. Told him to kiss me between the cheeks or take a hike. They got Mog weps for their effort, so I guess my LNC isn't too bad. xD

mamba. to me there is a major difference between what you described yourself and a bad player. i primarily play only with my ls for events, but i do pick up parties every now and then. you sound like the type of person i would want in my pickup party to be honest. i look for certain types of things when i join 1.

1. i want someone that has at least experienced a fight.
2. someone that is willing to accept that they can improve and take feedback to get better.
3. someone that's willing to fail to get better.
4. willing to try different tactics and methods to increase results.
5. not a prick that thinks they know everything about everything.

i guess what i am saying is that i would take you into the battle in a pick up party any day of the week over the person that joined thinking they are gods gift. when it comes to these fights the first priority is to get a good strategy and get everyone on the same page. even once you all get on the same page it takes a bit of working with each other to get wins. you sound like the type that's willing to try other things.

just forget that other person and continue playing the game. it sounds like you are already on the right track to becoming a good player. once you continue getting better chances are you will see that guy later on and once you are good enough you can always boot him for being the bad player compared to you and your group :P.

best advice i can give is keep learning and trying to improve. just ignore the bad people like that.

To answer the question in the subject

My definition of "bad player": Someone who is not willing to learn, does not care about "the right way" to play their class, and when offered friendly advice they will ignore it in the best of cases, or more commonly get offended/reply in bad terms.


With that in mind...

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Originally Posted by Mamba

So I sent him a tell asking (politely) why he thinks my THM sucks and instead of actually giving me any kind of constructive criticism he started bashing me how people like me disgust him, how he hates “carrying” people through fights etc. etc.

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Based on the above quote, I don't think you're a bad player. Are you a good player? I don't know either, but your attitude seems the right one to me. Had this guy not been a jerk and actually given you some helpful pointers, would you have been able to pull them off and improve your performance? If the answer is yes, then you have potential to be good at this game.

MMOs don't require mad skills to perform at a good level. Awereness, class/encounter knowledge and above all willingness to learn and improve at every attempt is what it takes to be "good"!

Playing casually doesn't necesarily make you a bad player, just the same as there are many 24/7 players who are hopeless and will always be leeches ><

*Eats popcorn and waits for more nerd drama.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.

Also OP, don't say you want to quit just because you met up with some douche ingame. Man up and learn to deal with those people like you would have to in real life, at an arcade, or any other online game.

But yeah, players who are ignorant to how the game works past a certain point, are constantly unprepared for fights, don't know how to work together to control aggro, break crowd control, and hold their group back = Bad players

Players who are elitist in the sense that they're all "I will only accept ARC x4 blah blah" when other classes are perfectly viable = Bad players who can't think for themselves.

I understand the need for some players to be special snowflakes and try their own thing, but just make sure it works first. Don't be the MNK/SMN from FFXI.

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Wrong.

People know that other classes work but choose not to use them because it is much more efficient not to. Its rather idiotic to call people bad players for doing things the more efficient way. If you are going to do random events with people who you are unsure about skill level. Its just more efficient to use a set up that's easy and works then just grab random classes of people who probably never done the fight or never won.

Well bad player for me is one that doesnt take the time to try several playing styles, one who doesnt ask anything to other players with same class, one who doesnt accepts tips from other players, one who doesnt care how to be useful and prefers leaving things to everyone else, people who think that are the best in the game and the worst those who prefer chatting or going afk when fighting a boss ><

a bad player is someone who doesn't try or moreover doesn't ask questions.
however, the worst player is one that has the knowledge and doesn't answer those questions.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

*Eats popcorn and waits for more nerd drama.

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FABULOUS nerd drama?

A lot of you seem to be confusing a bad player with a jerk. Not all jerks are bad players, and most bad players are not jerks.

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

Wrong.

People know that other classes work but choose not to use them because it is much more efficient not to. Its rather idiotic to call people bad players for doing things the more efficient way. If you are going to do random events with people who you are unsure about skill level. Its just more efficient to use a set up that's easy and works then just grab random classes of people who probably never done the fight or never won.

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I could understand if you only wanted a class that dominantly excels at a specific role, but outside of THM DD (CON and GLA don't really have equals in their specific departments) I don't really think that exists in this game. All the melee DD classes are equally viable in this specific case, it's not a matter of efficiency. It's efficient in the sense that you follow the path that requires the least amount of creativity and skill, so people just "stick to wut works" and shut out players because they don't know any better.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I could understand if you only wanted a class that dominantly excels at a specific role, but outside of THM DD (CON and GLA don't really have equals in their specific departments) I don't really think that exists in this game. All the melee DD classes are equally viable in this specific case, it's not a matter of efficiency. It's efficient in the sense that you follow the path that requires the least amount of creativity and skill, so people just "stick to wut works" and shut out players because they don't know any better.

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is it just me or did you define a bad player as someone who gets several classes to 50 then uses the cross class ability allowed to customize thier class as a bad player.

What makes someone a bad player is their inability to learn, adapt, retain information and use it in battle. Has nothing to do if they want to put second wind on their lancer bar to get some extra hp sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

I could understand if you only wanted a class that dominantly excels at a specific role, but outside of THM DD (CON and GLA don't really have equals in their specific departments) I don't really think that exists in this game. All the melee DD classes are equally viable in this specific case, it's not a matter of efficiency. It's efficient in the sense that you follow the path that requires the least amount of creativity and skill, so people just "stick to wut works" and shut out players because they don't know any better.

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If all the DD were truly equal in the sense you think they are. Class stacking wouldn't be in issue would it? It would not require more creativity and skill to do other set ups. The best Shells made up of arguably the most skill players use these strats because they are the most efficient. These are the people you are calling bad players.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

is it just me or did you define a bad player as someone who gets several classes to 50 then uses the cross class ability allowed to customize thier class as a bad player.

What makes someone a bad player is their inability to learn, adapt, retain information and use it in battle. Has nothing to do if they want to put second wind on their lancer bar to get some extra hp sometimes.

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How on earth did you get that out of my post?

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Originally Posted by Demacia

How on earth did you get that out of my post?

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Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.


so if its not what you meant then i misinterpreted it.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

Definition of bad player = majority of FFXIV players in general who only know how to stack a couple classes to win fights.


so if its not what you meant then i misinterpreted it.

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Oh I didn't mean using the armory system, I think it's great the way it is in 1.20 actually. I meant using a simple cookie cutter setup in endgame fights like it's the law.

Many people who fit in the elitist role take offense to a player on their main job who don't spend the most basic of efforts to gear up for a fight. I'm not saying everyone should have double meld yada yada gear but for the most basic of setups if you are a THM and you go to an Ifrit fight with me as a DD and you are sporting your dated ornate silver sceptor I just might drop party. Anyone can spend 2hours a week and farm up some karakul fleece with any 50 job and bank enough to buy a full set of basic nuking gear. Buy some entry level tier III materia and do a few shouts around for a couple basic melds. Go full dated setup of pre 1.19 gear vs the 3hours to gear up your main job and its gonna make a monster difference in DPS/usefulness.

I have no idea what your gear setup was but I do take offense when I see someone who couldn't bother to spend 10min. in the wards to at least pick up the basics. Of course I make every effort to help out people and if it were me I'd have whipped you up a set of gear on the spot. I make it my personal challenge to help people out if I can. I was once new to MMO's and had no idea how to get sub jobs and some nice players that I still remember helped me on Bahamut back in 2004 I want to be remembered like that. He sounds to me like a strait dick and not the type of ppl I hope to meet in FFXIV ever.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Oh I didn't mean using the armory system, I think it's great the way it is in 1.20 actually. I meant using a simple cookie cutter setup in endgame fights like it's the law.

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k, then i read it wrong, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Oh I didn't mean using the armory system, I think it's great the way it is in 1.20 actually. I meant using a simple cookie cutter setup in endgame fights like it's the law.

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after killing things hundreds of times using different methods and setups it becomes just run it the easy way to beat it. i've beaten ifrit with all kinds of different setups and at this point i'll only go in with a select few different ones. it's not because it can't be beaten with others, but by this point the fight is just about farming that last few drops.

those end game fights lose their appeal after you run them over and over and it becomes worthless to keep trying new things. you can only run something so many times before the fun is gone from them.

Bad players are those that know better but don't do what's expected of them... like the one the OP describes.

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Originally Posted by tachikoma

Many people who fit in the elitist role take offense to a player on their main job who don't spend the most basic of efforts to gear up for a fight. I'm not saying everyone should have double meld yada yada gear but for the most basic of setups if you are a THM and you go to an Ifrit fight with me as a DD and you are sporting your dated ornate silver sceptor I just might drop party. Anyone can spend 2hours a week and farm up some karakul fleece with any 50 job and bank enough to buy a full set of basic nuking gear. Buy some entry level tier III materia and do a few shouts around for a couple basic melds. Go full dated setup of pre 1.19 gear vs the 3hours to gear up your main job and its gonna make a monster difference in DPS/usefulness.

I have no idea what your gear setup was but I do take offense when I see someone who couldn't bother to spend 10min. in the wards to at least pick up the basics. Of course I make every effort to help out people and if it were me I'd have whipped you up a set of gear on the spot. I make it my personal challenge to help people out if I can. I was once new to MMO's and had no idea how to get sub jobs and some nice players that I still remember helped me on Bahamut back in 2004 I want to be remembered like that. He sounds to me like a strait dick and not the type of ppl I hope to meet in FFXIV ever.

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Are we going to be indulgent with the whole concept of "taking offence" when someone does something out of relative inexperience or ignorance? Because I think this is the tipping point that starts pushing the whole community towards the abusive tendencies so many evince. The problem seems to reside in the fact that many of the "offended" parties find that offence to be a totally logical forerunner of their abusive excesses, making these acceptable. Whether verbal abuse, or tantrums, or demands, or suddenly abandoning a party in the middle of the run because people are "wasting their time," I view this behavior as nothing but intolerant, abusive and, at worst, Fascistoid.

My preferred attitude would be to respectfully, and somewhat humbly, send a tell to offer some guidance to the person that is creating the issues, whether it be from gear, or behavior. But in their minds this suggestion seems to be an added offence. However, in a game in which so much has been done, by intention and design, to bring together disparate populations, and one in which information is, still in the post-Tanaka age, so scarce and unclear, it is not fair to punish those with more casual attitudes. Especially if they evince interest in doing well and pulling their weight, once they've been informed of the problems they might be causing.

That is not to say that there aren't players that underperform out of malice... but this is really a rare case. And everybody is in agreement about what to do in those instances. In most other cases, however, the true offenders are the Game Nazis, as I call them. I have written elsewhere advocating for a game environment in which challenge and frustration exist to stimulate a sense of reward, achievement, but also of community and cooperation. As a corollary to that principle, one of tolerance and willingness to improve the group by helping the individual must be understood and accepted.

Those among us that need to abusively define themselves by underlining performance contrasts with others, usually when they are ahead, never when they're behind, tend to be desperate, abused individuals in real life that have come to the game world to perpetuate the cycle of abuse. I'm not pushing for an end to challenge, nor for a lack of a certain pressure to better the collective by improving the parts; but bullying MUST not be tolerated here, just like anywhere else. However, I see party/linkshell leaders actively catering to those abusers, just because with them in their party/shell, they feel they increase the possibilities of the coveted win or drop. In my book, no gear is worth that.

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Well i party a lot with Black Mamba and at times i can be a elitist but i am the one who likes to have fun and doesn't mind trying with new people and losing. I do ask around about the people i am inviting to see if they do not completely suck does that make me a bad person? I like to have fun and do things and figure them out. I am not the type to just say hey you suck but when people get a rep as being a bad player i just do not like to invite those people. Not gonna pick any names because i think that would be mean. I do try to help people get better but some people just do not get better with good criticism and it gets pointless. Yeah i know everyone can be good or bad but some people just can not learn. A point with the new combo system its really hard to do it on Ifrit now without getting caught in the new animation lock and keeping your numbers up high so i tend to die a lot from eruptions from doing combo's but i am not against trying to not combo but it's hard i hate how SE makes things insanely hard. Any ways there are different kind of players, elitists however you want to call it im the one who has good gear and matieria and considers myself a good player but doesn't hate new people but will like to play with anyone and have fun just not repeated people who cannot learn how to do something.

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So, like the title says… what in your opinion makes a bad player?

Here’s my story:
I am a really casual player – only during the Christmas holidays got my 2nd job to 50 even though I have been playing on and off since Alpha testing!!! – so you could say that I am not a big time gamer and I admit that I probably can’t do as well as some other people who play their jobs on a daily basis. I am not stupid though, I listen when people teach me and I try to live up for the expectations.

During the Christmas break I was doing Moogle battle and me and my friend were trying to figure out different tactics to do this fight… neither of us had ever done this before and we didn’t read at first how other’s had done it so we would make our own experience.
We got many likeminded people to join us and we lost the fight at least 20 times (we had fun though!!)

Then we had a person join us who came on the run with the attitude that he was a gift from gods to us that we would never do the run without him. Well, we lost on few occasions again and then we gave up for the day.

On the weekend, I was doing Ifrit fight to see if I could get a weapon since last time I didn’t get anything and this same guy joined our run. My friend who was making the party told me that he wasn’t going to join the run if I went as THM which got me really baffled (At the time I only had THM @ 50). I know I wasn’t doing great damage on Moogle fight because of MP issues but I did burn down the first moogle in no time (being highest DPS until well… the MP issues started). I also helped binding the moogles after 2h and stunned as well… so I wanted to know why in his opinion I was doing so bad.

I sent him a tell asking (politely) why he thinks my THM sucks and instead of actually giving me any kind of constructive criticism he started bashing me how people like me disgust him, how he hates “carrying” people through fights etc. etc. He got really rude and in the end I left the party in the verge of tears because I had no idea what I had done to make him hate me so much (Yes I am a girl, I cry easy, sue me!)

I didn’t play almost at all the following day (yesterday) and was considering quitting since I didn’t want to come across people like him ever again. I thought that I was such a lost cause, a really bad player that no one would ever want to do any fights with me.
Then I had a chat with my linkshell people (which are all really lovely) and they encouraged me to stay and only do runs with them from now on, (which I will because maybe they can actually teach me play right if I indeed do so badly).

I think… the guy who was a jerk is the WORST kind of player a game can have (not me, even though I can suck on some occasions). A narrow-minded elitist brick who only sees one direction from his high chair and considers anyone lesser (i.e. a person who doesn’t play 24/7, have full double material on all gear etc.) is not worth his time (except for insults).

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Don't worry too much about it Mamba ^^ when I used to be in Saronia I was a healer and I sucked so people always used to rage on me.
Personally bad players for me are:

Players that, instead of helping someone whos having trouble with something, rage at them..
Players that take any help given to them as an insult because they think they're amazing even though they're not that great
Players that complain about every small thing about the game

For me I don't care how low a level player someone is, as long as they can learn from their mistakes I try and help them at the same time I don't mind people giving meconstructivecriticism though I do mind if people think they're sooo much better than me when they're really not... I just want people to remember that this is still a game, people play to enjoy it not to be raged at by someone who is only better because they spend so long playing (I'm not trying to be mean to people that spend a long time playing as long as their nice to others... ) I'm sure the GM's and Dev's would agree with me when I say this... everyone should be able to play the game no matter how low a level they, how old they are, how skilled they are and who they are... I've probably posted this a kajillion times somewhere but Ima post it again, I'm only 13 and the maturity level of others really surprises me, sure I'm a bit too mature for my age and that gives me problems in real life but come on... since when have people been this immature and mean to others... trust me if I was leader of a party with one of those horribly mean people in it I would first tell them what they're doing wrong, give them one more time to fix it and then oust them right out of the party ^^. Btw Mamba I don't see how someone can get so mad at someone like you :p you're nice to everyone in LS chat at least :D

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Originally Posted by Mamba

So, like the title says… what in your opinion makes a bad player?.

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Mamba if you ever feel sad in that server..come to selbina..me and my friends will help you out as much as possible.

I hate ppl that bash others for no reason...if you are going to insult someone at least do it politely... I feel for you u.u

Hope you recovered and kick moogles and ifrits butt forever!

Didn't read all the other posts simply because we all have our versions of what a "bad player" is - it's naturally subjective, and it's okay that we all have different opinions on subjective material.

What I think are "bad" players? Players who...

... don't want to participate in a group-oriented strategy (e.g., "everyone stand over here!" *bad player stands over there instead for some reason*).

... think it's 100% the game's fault if they (or the group) can't win a battle/dungeon/etc.

... think that throwing a nearly entire full-party setup of ClassX-onry at a fight will win it, and ONLY ClassX NO EXCEPTIONS GRRRR *ANGRY FACE* (and yes, with the angry face indeed).

... are ignorant, and don't want to hear how he/she may better perform his/her role in a certain situation; especially if he/she is not performing well-enough fulfill such role.

As far as that player you interacted with... yeah D-bags come in all shapes and sizes, and whether they're "good players", "bad players", or w/e, they're still D-bags, and unfortunately their parents spawned them unto this earth and the internet has given them a false perception that people actually care what they have to say.